By now, you’ve already read the story of how Republican presidential candidate and synonym for anal coital discharge Rick Santorum is married to a woman who once shacked up with an abortionist. The idiots on the left aren’t taking this story beyond the usual facile charges of hypocrisy — “Herp derp um Karen Santorum is anti-abortion now but she um dated an abortionist!” — so let me point out the most important part of this story: Rick Santorum is a beta chump. He’s a textbook example of how women in their late twenties/early thirties lust after “provider” types after spending their youths getting pumped and dumped by alpha males. And while Karen Santorum may not have ridden the cock carousel as vigorously as some other women, she DID still spend most of her twenties getting schtupped by a guy more than thirty years her senior.
If you doubt my claim, here’s Tom Allen recounting how he and Karen got together — she came onto him:
Garver moved into the basement apartment, but she wasn’t there long, says Allen. “That first night, as soon as it got dark, she called to say she was scared and asked if she could come up. I figured it was a come-on, but that was OK.” Karen, he says, came upstairs, permanently.
More proof? Allen was known for his womanizing ways long before he met Karen, and his present wife is also far younger than he is:
Unusual though the affair may seem now, Allen says it “really wasn’t that big a deal, at least to me.” It was the ’80s, after all, and he’d had a number of young girlfriends before Garver; his wife Judi is 30 years younger than he. “My first marriage didn’t do very well because of that behavior,” he concedes.
And finally, a visual comparison of Allen and Santorum:
As it turns out, the only reason Karen ended up becoming Mrs. Buttjism was because she wanted to have kids and Allen didn’t:
The unlikely couple broke up in 1988. “Karen wanted to have children, and that was something I had already done,” Allen says. There were no hard feelings; she told him to keep the piano.
We even have some evidence that Karen never fully got over leaving Allen (as women never truly get over leaving alphas) with this:
Among the final times Tom Allen heard from Karen was a Christmas card in 1988. “I miss you,” it read.
As much as I don’t care for these triumphalist-type posts anymore, there’s a certain satisfaction that can only be gotten from seeing everything you’ve been preaching about vindicated in the news. Manospherians, feel free to add your own take to this story.
Hat tip for the Daily Beast article: Simon Grey.
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I think the reason why none of the Republicans are doing particularly well is because they are all betas (except for Ron Paul, of course–that dude has frame mastery down cold), and no one wants a beta for a leader. Incidentally, I think I’ve finally figured out why Conservatives suck so much at politics: They’re all betas. Most people may be conservative, but the vast, vast majority of conservatives aren’t alpha enough to have political appeal.
on the one hand i appreciate the dutiful, loyal wife/girlfriend standing by her man, but on the other i loathe her utter weakness in so easily switching out beliefs like tampons.
its another example of how women and men are on different planes of existence.
Simon,
i’m a ron paul guy, as you know, but i think his problem is that he comes across as too beta for the ideas he’s throwing out there. it’s sort of like his suits: Paul’s arguments are pretty radical (compared to the current establishment) but his persona in presenting them fits much like his suits. loose, wrinkled, not tailored. Paul’s persona is not tailored to his message. the message is sharp thus, the guy presenting it should be sharp too.
to test that we’d have to imagine if Mitt Romney’s alpha demeanor were juxtaposed onto Ron Paul’s ideology. if that were to happen i think Ron Paul’s plank fares quite a bit better than it currently is.
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would want to have children with an abortionist. Abortionist Daddy is an oxymoron.
That said, the 1988 letter is a bit of a stretch. Struggling with a LTR-breakup is hardly something unique to women, and I bet she’s horrified by that relationship now.
I think the reason why none of the Republicans are doing particularly well is because they are all betas (except for Ron Paul)
They pick them because they’re so mild and don’t have such shady pasts as most alphas. Damage control. They’re also less inclined to break out with their own ideas or rebel against their corporatist masters.
Santorum is a very likeable figure for me, though. Christian, homeschooling, special-needs dad who takes his kids with him on the campaign trail… that resonates.
I’m sorry Chuck but I can’t take the comment of “Mitt Romney’s alpha demeanor” seriously. The man is fidgety, high-pitched, and has no conviction. For all the hate I have towards Dubya, he was way more alpha than anyone in the field right now.
It seems bizarre to me that anyone would want to have children with an abortionist. Abortionist Daddy is an oxymoron.
I agree Alte.
Also, people do evolve in their thinking on issues. I voted for Bill Clinton in 1992 as an enthusiastic young liberal. By 1996, I was married with 3 kids and having given birth turned me pro-life with a vengeance. It happens and it isn’t necessarily hypocrisy. Just life.
As for conservatives being more beta, that may be true, but Gingrich has as shady a past as anyone in the race (is he still in it?) and it hasn’t proven a net negative in his case.
For all the hate I have towards Dubya, he was way more alpha than anyone in the field right now.
George W. was a disappointment, but I always saw him as more manly than most anyone else in D.C.
But like Alte, Rick Santorum resonates with me too, despite his wife’s questionable past.
This is a great example of how misplaced men’s concerns are about the number of sexual partners a woman has had before him. The greater concern isn’t the number, but rather how Alpha the last guy she fucked was.
https://rationalmale.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/the-slut-paradox/
Karen Allen-Santorum is the textbook example of an Alpha Widow.
trouble:
i guess it depends on what characteristics we’re talking about. i don’t see Romney as fidgety or high-pitched. he has been the front-runner (read: alpha) all the way through the thing. everyone is attacking him playing beta to his more alpha position. on superficiality alone Romney wins in this regard. he’s taller and looks like more of a classic alpha type than any of the other candidates. i’d also say that having conviction isn’t necessarily an alpha trait. it seems to me that not having conviction but getting people to support you regardless is more alpha than not. this isn’t ideal, but i think people are willing to feel like they’re in the hands of someone they believe is a good leader rather than one who adheres to their convictions.
i also have to question whether Bush was that alpha. he was alpha by association – both to his father and to his stable of potential cabinet members who were cited as a reason to support him. Bush always seemed to be playing catch-up – not really carrying the frame. the same can be said of Obama whose frame is set up for him by the media. based on pure demeanor and presentation, Romney appears most alpha out of those three politicians.
Look at that man-jaw!
Nah, Chuck. Bush even walked like a cowboy, LOL. He was the real deal.
Obama by the way, is as beta as they come. That’s quite obvious no matter what frame the media is trying to set up for him. The real man still shines through.
Elspeth,
Bush portrayed the down-home country boy schtick which may appear masculine, but it is not alpha in the political sense. It was just a greater degree of masculinity than John Kerry’s goose-hunting expedition.
Romney has fared well in most of the debates he’s been in. When people are just thinking about Romney and not watching Romney, they like him less than when they are watching him on TV. I think that indicates his stronger alpha-ish political leadership. I recognize that most of what Romney says is horse-shit (as was true of Bush and Obama and Gingrich), but that really doesn’t matter in something that is close to a democracy of dunces.
Basically, Romney instills confidence in the Republican base moreso than any of the other candidates. This is the hallmark of an alpha. When people decide to support Romney they feel that he can carry through their agenda better than the other candidates. Us Paul-ites are looking for blood so we don’t fall into that trap. But nobody thinks that Santorum or Gingrich or Perry can enact their vision.
Romney instills confidence because he’s perceived as most likely to defeat Obama. From a pragmatic standpoint they feel he’s at least “not as bad as Obama”. That has nothing to do with being more alpha. If it did, he’d have more broad-based GOP support. He doesn’t inspire people to follow him. They tolerate him with a lukewarm support as they figure he’s the best the GOP has to offer. Ron Paul is actually the only person running who has any true believers.
George W, who pissed me off in ways too numerous to list, was at least genuine and steadfast in what he believed and where he stood. He didn’t back down to, coddle, or negotiate with those he perceived as a threat. This is not a statement of support for any of the carnage he wrought. It’s simply an acknowledgement that he was stubbornly dogmatic in his positions, probably to a fault.
But the true mark of an “alpha” is that he isn’t moved by what’s popular or swayed by what other people think. For better or worse. And Bush exuded that quality more than most politicians in recent memory.
I like Ron Paul the best out of all the candidates as I think his ideology is best for the country out of all the candidates who want to be President of the USA.
I think Paul is Alpha, but he’s the loyal to his wife Alpha. Paul also is very bright and has lots of experiences others don’t have. This makes him in many respects seem nerdy like the first Bush President(1989-1992) who was also Alpha. Paul is a medical doctor and was horrified by the burn victim veterans returning from the Vietnam War when he worked at Ft. Sam Houston. As a former soldier and Veteran of Iraq and Afghanistan, I can tell you that soldiers are still horrified by the burn victims returning from Iraq and Afghanistan in Ft. Sam Houston. It horrified soldiers more when they see it happen live or shortly thereafter. Burn victims horrify veterans and military personnell on average more than any other injury on average. Paul seems more like a top university professor than your typical politician which also hurts him in our anti-intellectual climate. I doubt any of the founding fathers of the USA would be elected today because they were too much like Ron Paul and vice-versa. Paul also has this grandfatherly image and many would prefer to see their grandfather retire even though it would be better if he stayed on. Age is hurting him.
Gingrich is pretty alpha with the ladies even though I don’t like what he supports in polotics as much as Ron Paul. I also don’t like what he did to his previous 2 wives. This is his 3rd marriage. Still, before he junked his old wife, he got one ready to be his new wife in a similar fashion to how one buys new cars and rids themselves of old ones by selling it or bringing it to the junk yard.
Americans tend to want the image rather than the real deal. I remember arguing with another soldier as to who was tougher Bush 1 or Bush 2 as President or in their previous lives. Bush 1 got the Navy Cross, second highest medal a military man can recieve for valor. Bush 2 joined the National Guard which was highly unlikely to deploy and didn’t even finish doing his drills for the last few months. If I would have not shown up for work as much when I was in the military, I would have been put in jail—JUSTIFIABLY!!! Bush 1 executed the Persian Gulf War excellently. Bush 2 got us into quagmires of Iraq and Afgahnistan. Iraq turned around and now our American portion of the war is finished, Thank God! Afghanistan is still going. Americans want a better actor, not the real deal. If you don’t believe me, here’s a parting shot. Why is the WWE and the WWF more popular than real fighting like the UFC, professsional boxing etc. combined?
@ Elspeth
Amen
I have no argument with anything you’ve said, doclove. Just pointing out to Chuck that Bush exemplified more frame than Romney does.
Romney simply does not inspire a loyal following. With Bush people either loved him or hated him, but they felt something. People are pretty “blah: in their feelings on Romney. Alphas do not get a “blah” response from anybody.
Take blacks out of the equation (I am among the 4% who refuse to vote for him), and again, people are pretty “blah” even among his base.
In other words, they are almost all sniveling betas pandering for a slice of the vote from the idiotic American electorate. I have already asked my husband to consider allowing me not to vote at all this year. Seriously.
I left a full sentence out of my comment, doclove. I was referring to Obama when I mentioned the 4% and the fact that the only people who are passionate about him is the 96% of blacks who vote for him.
And when you talk to them, you hear a lot of dissatisfaction. They exuberance you see in the media is manufactured to present a united front.
Like I said, they’re all a bunch of hapless, clueless inept betas begging for a vote and willing to say anything to get it. Except for Paul.
Santorum is the Beta chump. I believe this if everything the owner of this site id true. If too many things went wrong in Santorum’s life, I don’t doubt his wife,Karen Garver Santorum would leave him and in a nastier way than she left Tom Allen, her former alpha lover. I don’t think his policies overall are any better than any of the other Republican candidates except for Ron Paul. The only thing you can say is he’s better than President Obama.
@ Elspeth
I agree with most of what you say. I still say Gingrich is Alpha. The problem is few like him now and many have always hated him. Gingrich is starting to remind me of Charlie Sheen’s character of Charlie Harper on the sitcom “Two and a Half Men” on the episode of Charlie Harper’s funeral. The hate from his many former lovers come out but they are still at his funeral elegantly dressed and complaining about the venereal diseases he gave them. The USA is like the many lovers of Charlie Harper in regards to Newt Gingrich. If he came back alive, he’d be loved and they would be getting venereal diseases again.
Elspeth:
Your husband decides if you can vote or not?
I think you are ignoring two things: 1. Romney is the only GOP candidate to win both Iowa and New Hampshire and 2. we have this conversation about who is the best leader and who is the best conservative every primary cycle. If Romney weren’t Mormon and if Romney hadn’t pushed through health care reform in Massachusetts right after a big Tea Party stand against Obama’s health care initiative, he’d be golden. Those two idiosyncracies look like weak leadership on Romney’s part, but they have to be put into context. But as far as instilling confidence in the people who haven’t automatically cast him off out of hand, Romney displays the strongest leadership qualities.
As for Bush, I guess it will be impossible to compare the two, but I saw Bush as empty hat to the neocons sitting behind the scenes. IIRC, part of the confidence in Bush was a function of all of the heavy hitters that the electorate knew were behind him. In GOP circles there aren’t any such heavy hitters and *public* kingmakers as there were in 1999-2000.
The problem with the anti-Romney faction who aren’t the part of the Ron Paul faction is that there are still too many candidates and they are dividing the vote. Santorum, Gingrich and Perry are killing eachother and Romney is winning by default. Gingrich’s problem is that he has a trail of dirt trailing behind him, and Romney’s people assasinated him through telling the truth, spinning facts into lies and outspending him. Gingrich is not well funded and organized like Romney. With the exception of Paul though, Gingrich is the best debater. None of the other candidates like Paul because he is truly different from them and is dangerous to the most of the Republican party who act like it’s 1980 and not 2012. All have tried to hurt Paul in the debate, and Paul swings back and hangs in there against all odds. Paul may lose, but i doubt he will ever be crushed like the others. He’s someone when you fight him and win, you still respect him if you have any sense because he will hand you a pyrric victory or hurt you really badly every time.
Ron Paul scares too many people with his ideology because he tells the truth and, they are incredulous to the doom coming. A prophet is hated most in his own land. It’s great that most of us think Ron Paul is alpha and has the best ideology as well as the most honest realistic prophesy, but most people don’t see it that way. Again his intellectual persona is hurting him in a nation who wants meatheads ruling them. Our nation would rather have a meathead alpha or a meathead beta ruling them than an alpha intellectual. Our nation doesn’t even recognize an alpha intellectual as being tough or an alpha. I doubt any of the founding fathers would be elected today. Another example is that our nation prefers the WWF and WWE to real fighting like UFC, professional boxing, etc. Our nation often would prefer a fake alpha to a real one. Our nation would rather be lied to than told the truth of what is happening and what needs to be done. It’s why we’re failing now and it will most likely get worse before it gets better.
Your husband decides if you can vote or not?
The idea is that we vote the same. Whomever we decide to support gets two votes. We don’t split our vote. It’s not uncommon among trad Christian couples. A throw back to the era before women’s suffrage. Whomever the husband voted for, the wife had to live with it. So I throw my vote in to support whatever he decides.
The thing is that he is still a bit more committed to the idea of change at the ballot box than I am. Not much more, but some. “Don’t complain if you don’t vote”, and all that good stuff.
All that to say Chuck, that I do what he wants not that he forces me to do or not do anything. If he thinks it’s important that we vote GOP rather than sit it out, I’ll be voting GOP. He would never vote Dem, so that’s a non issue.
@ Chuck Rudd
I agree that Romney pushing through health care in MA was a stupid move. It’s really hurting him. Sadly, his Mormonism hurts him in some circles, but not nearly as bad as the health care. He needs to play up that he is better on immigration than the other candidates which is true if he wants more votes. Noone is really addressing the immigration issue the way they should. He has a strong card against the other candidates he’s not using effectively which is called a better record on immigration. The main reason why Romney has a better record than Paul on immigration is because Paul won’t throw civil liberties under the bus like the other candidates. Paul’s immigration ideas and civil liberties ideas are way better than Obama’s thinking. I respect Paul for his civil liberties stance and I respect that Romney has a better immigration record than the others. Paul is the best on economics, domestic policy(other than immigration), foreign policy, civil liberties, and military interventions.
You know.. Paul stresses states rights.. What stops a state from enacting their own immigration policy if that’s the case.
It’s not uncommon among trad Christian couples.
Yes, we do the same and many other couples we know have the same implicit agreement. It’s important to have a united front, as a married couple.
He would never vote Dem, so that’s a non issue.
Lucky you.
Whenever you hear Santorum rail against government spending and claim government cannot help people remember that Santorum’s entire life is built upon government spending and government programs. His parents were long time providers of socialized medicine. Santorum was a long term government employee who is not currently a government employee because the residents of PA banded together to boot him out of office. His education was provided and subsidized by the state. His chosen profession law, is supported by government regulations that make entry into the profession hard and thus makes it a higher paying profession
As for Ron Paul as alpha male, some of you need to choke chain your rationalization hamsters. The man is a long time government employee who has accomplished less than your average DMV drone in regard to changing the system. Few that matter follow him. In a decade, he’ll join John Anderson as a answer on Jeopardy that no nobody knows.
How many articles do we have to make confirming once more that Rick Santorum is a pussy? Am I going to have to run a 24/7 banner ad of a guy getting cuckolded with his face photoshopped on it?
Except for that whole was pro-abortion, pro-gun control and then switches as politically expedient. Oh, and that Bain capital thing.
And of course he is a member of a cult that has completely nuts foundations and whose beliefs blatantly defy actual Christianity.
And he is a loudmouth sociopath in public…. even more obnoxious than the average dancing political monkey.
The Republicans seem determined to out-do the stupidity of the Democrats when they nominated Obama, who grew up in Indonesia and has a African political leader as a father. A father which died in a drunken car wreck.
Yeah. It’s farce baby.
@ History Punk
You mean that memebers of Congress are government employees. Yes, it’s true they are, but they run things. Ron Paul has been the most sane man in a insane assylum who hasn’t been running it. It’s not his fault. He like Patrick Buchanan have been prophets for our ever worsening doom. Nearly everything they’ve said has come true. Ron Paul might be relevant a decade from now especially if he continues to write books like Buchanan has done since his last Presidential bid in 2000. There are differences between Buchanan and Paul, but most of what they say will get worse has gotten worse. Please continue to worship the powerful who continue to ruin the country. Most of us here including myself will be the remnant after our country is destroyed which is coming. It pains me to say we will remain in a ruined nation, and I wish it weren’t to be so, but it looks like it will be. I hope I’m wrong.
@ PT Barnum
Amen
I think Santorum is the most beta of the candidates. Romney is more alpha than him. Heartiste aka Citizen Renegade aka Roissy defines Alpha, Beta and Omega by what kind of man women want, what kind of woman a man picks for a relationship be that a short term or especially a long term one, and how a man who is in a relationship be it short term or even more so if it is long term such as a marriage handles his woman(that is does he handle her well or badly). By that measure Ron Paul is at the top with his marriage for being a good alpha man. Romney’s doing well in that regard. Gingrich is the Alpha philanderer bad boy. I don’t know about Perry. Santorum is at the bottom as the author of this article demonstrated.
On the political front, Paul has held his frame despite attacks and ridicule his entire career. Most Americans want to hear the lie. Ron Paul doesn’t lie. He has committed followers. The election is a farce anyway. Except for Ron Paul all candidates in the Republican and Democratic parties have been bought and sold more than the worst crack whore you’ll ever meet.
bear in mind that Dr. Paul is an elderly tired man. His children and grandchildren number something like twenty one in number.
In his day he’d have wiped the floor with Romney.
But like Alte, Rick Santorum resonates with me too, despite his wife’s questionable past.
This. Being in generally the same age group and a similar fix as Mrs. Santorum found herself, I’m biased, but I don’t hold her husband responsible nor accountable for her bad behavior, any more than I do my own husband for mine. I don’t think for a minute every man could, would, or should set out to reform a wayward woman, but it’s not always futile. And while I would not recommend it, that the occasional man takes on a project wife is a mystery for which I can only be grateful.
Ron Paul doesn’t lie.
He misrepresents and obfuscates – same difference, though sometimes I see him doing it in a sort of an idealistic innocence, not unlike Santorum, actually. There are a lot of things to like about him, but still, to mistake St. Paul for anything other than a seasoned politician is a fatal error. For all his fundamentalist ranting he has a hemispheric disconnect when it comes to the moral compulsion behind the Constitution, and he’s perfectly capable of rewriting a little history to suit his own agendae. There’s more to it than merely not spending.
Romney is unfortunately winning because he is the most alpha of the bunch. Moneybags even has the dark triad of narcissism, Machiavellianism, and psychopathy that makes women wet. One must be a total asshole to flip-flop in that kind of brazen, opportunistic fashion, and yes, Romney is, indeed, a total asshole. Team Obama may even screw up an otherwise easily reelection if they attack Romney as a wealthy and ruthless 1%er, given half the public has a vagina. (The Official GOP Playbook specifies that elitists are to be always smeared as effete, nice, and socially inept for good reason.)
Though not as beta as Santorum, Ron Paul is pretty beta. The guy has hunched posture, a nervous laugh, sloppy attire, a whiny high-pitched voice, and a submissive over-eager smile. All of the not-Romneys rose through a perception of their alphaness, and cratered as beta characteristics showed themselves — Perry lacked a killer instinct, Newt acted like a whiny bitch over negative attacks, Cain couldn’t keep a Clintonesque frame over sexual harassment claims, etc. etc.
Alpha and Beta are relative, but politicians are generally quite alpha, as “power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.” Would you still consider Santorum beta if you find out that he was screwing actresses and models on the side?
This woman might have been settling down with a beta 20 years ago, but, now that he’s put her in the running for FLOTUS, my guess is that she doesn’t see him as so beta anymore.
Still, he’s beta by the standards of Presidential candidates.
Santorum’s wife was not bad looking in her younger days. I would have gladly fucked her. As a matter of fact, a nice threesome with her and Alte would have been even better. I would have homeschooled both in the art of sexual pleasure.
Now that is my idea of wholesome family values.
I doubt Santorum with all his prissy, pious morality does it for her.
Santorum’s poll numbers would probably go up if it turned out he was doing interns and models on the side.
But not a chance.
Assuming the Vox taxonomy: Ron Paul is not an Alpha. He’s not even a Beta. Ron Paul is a Delta, a member of hoi polloi who leveled up and now has balls the size of church bells. He’s the first fruits of the grass roots that probably isn’t going to happen.
“Abortionist Daddy is an oxymoron”.
What’s an “abortionist” exactly? Someone who performs abortions for his or her livelihood? You think those people don’t have kids?
“I think the reason why none of the Republicans are doing particularly well is because they are all betas (except for Ron Paul, of course–that dude has frame mastery down cold)”
He’s too old and comes across as such. If he were a good 3 decades younger it would really help. Also, he should really zero in on both the black and youth vote with his pro-ganja stance.
You think those people don’t have kids?
No, I just wouldn’t want to mate with someone who gets paid to murder infants. It’s this weird bias I have.
@Chuck Rudd: All women switch or at least ignore beliefs for men they are with.
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