“Hey look — another sucker.”
My friend pointed at the kiosk outside of FYE, where a dweeby youngish kid was having his hands washed in a sink.
The Israeli mother-daughter duo who ran the kiosk were well-known for the scam they were running — selling massively overpriced soaps and shampoos supposedly containing Dead Sea salt. They used a combination of hard sell techniques, sexual charm and guilt to reel in people and get them to leave with their wallets a little lighter. Watching the busty mom ring up items on the register while her college-aged daughter soaked the dweeb’s hands, visions of incestuous threesomes danced in my head.
It would have been easy to go, “Haha, what a loser, he just got swindled into spending $80 on bath soap.” But looking at the guy, I realized something else. He wasn’t inherently repulsive-looking — messy dark blonde hair, skinny, glasses — but his slumped posture and look of defeat suggested loserdom, of many lonely nights masturbating in the glow of a computer screen. This was probably the first time in eons that a woman touched him or talked to him outside of a professional context. How could he resist? He couldn’t. I felt sorry for him.
Some big figure in the manosphere, can’t remember whether it was zed, Angry Harry or Paul Elam, once said something along the lines of “All it takes to turn an MRA into a feminist is a blowjob.” But that only applies to the involuntarily celibate. What’s a bribe of $100 to a millionaire? What’s a free dinner to someone who’s already full? What’s a bit of sex to a guy who’s banging broads left and right?
This is why you shouldn’t trust men who can’t get laid — they are opportunists who will betray you for the slimmest chance of scoring some pussy. Not necessarily intentionally, but in many cases unintentionally. Sex is a human need as much as food or water or air. Starving in the desert doesn’t strengthen resolve, it weakens it. No, you won’t curl up and die if you get into a dry streak, but the mind becomes pliable. You break down and give up that much more easily. You are more likely to give in to temptation.
That kid I saw in the mall that day didn’t go there planning to drop $100 on overpriced imported shampoos. He probably sat through that entire exchange wanting to say no. Maybe he even actually tried to tell the girls that no, he didn’t want to buy anything. But he had no resolve, no backbone. He wanted to leave, but the salesgirls played on his weakness — his subconscious desire for a woman’s company. Even if all he got out of it was some expensive soap.
Note that the operative word in “can’t get laid” is “can’t.” If a man has the ability to get with women but abstains for whatever reason (he’s religious, he’s going his own way etc.), he’s trustworthy. Married men can also be involuntarily celibate if their wives won’t have sex with them. This makes them as reliable as the pudgy virgin dork in his mom’s basement. When it comes to their woman or you, they will side with the woman every time, no matter that he’s getting nothing out of it. I would trust a man who was cheating on his wife before I would trust an involuntarily celibate husband. Even a guy who exclusively goes to hookers has more resolve than a sexless chump.
Among my friends, all of us are splashing in the pussy fountain. Some are sipping, others are gulping, but none of us are thirsty or dehydrated. I wouldn’t be friends with a man who was perennially hopeless with the ladies. I might empathize with him, but I wouldn’t want to be near him. So you should live your life as well.
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zed, Angry Harry or Paul Elam, once said something along the lines of “All it takes to turn an MRA into a feminist is a blowjob.”
The first person I heard say that was dragnet.
But he didn’t say ‘feminist’. He just said ‘Most MRAs are one blowjob away from laying down their arms’.
I agree with the article, and yes, this is also why Game is one of the most powerful MRA tools. Knowledge of Game is kryptonite to the basic ways in which women get men to do their bidding. Game eradicates manginas….
I would go so far as to say that those who think Game is a hindrance to Men’s Rights, have not fully even taken the Red Pill. They think they have comprehended the full scope of the subject of misandry, but they actually have not
Oh, and Game is NOT merely confined to PUA activities, as it becomes necessary to pre-emptively state when the nature of the screaming to follow is so predictable.
AlekNovy and his sockpuppet friend to blither in in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1……
That is precisely why using escorts and buying sex is so liberating. The only thing between you and hot ass is whether you can pay or not..
Great article. It is a common situation where a guy who hasn’t swallowed the red pill fully turns his skin around as soon as a girl blinks an eye on him. This is the most sad and pathetic thing in universe.
Most men are like people of matrix. They are slaves you fight to liberate, but they won’t help at best at worst a system agent will incarnate in them.
@Advocatus Diaboli January 8, 2012 at 11:55 pm
” That is precisely why using escorts and buying sex is so liberating. The only thing between you and hot ass is whether you can pay or not..”
So giving women money for just being women and servicing your beta cock while they service alfa cock for free is liberating to you?
Freedom comes from changing your basic inner and then outer qualities, that invoke respect from the strong and adoration from the weak. That is what a properly understood game is.
And freedom also comes from bonding with other men and not allowing women to get an upper hand. Something men in western society won’t do and therefore they lose their freedom.
In a global society, from where there is no escape, freedom lies in positive connections with others. Those who have connections, have power, money and means to do what they like.
To be free men must build positive connections with other men. Men must surpass women in making connections within their own sex.
A man who withdraws from positive connections from other men to devote himself to a women is losing his freedom rapidly. A society of such men becomes a society of slaves.
Each one of you must ask yourself: “How many real male friends I have? Do I have a band of brothers who share similar values, who would put me above whims of women, do I have friends whom I would’t abandon even if my women would demand so or am I a lonely internet nerd who just browses MRA sites and pornsites or a guy who has just his colleges and salary-demanding wife and her parents for a social circle?”
Ubermind
I agree with most of what you said except the part about hookers
We all pay, every one of us, every time
It might be with money, your sanity, self-respect, health or time
But don’t kid yourself dude, we all pay
Even the most accomplished PUA on his best night pays. Iit might not feel like paying but it is. he pays by jumping through her hoops, passing (or ignoring) shit tests, dealing with childish attitudes, cockblocking, flaking etc…
We all pay, its just the currency that varies. No-one gets it for free
Actually, I think a more accurate article title would be: “Don’t Trust Men Who Are Too Desperate To Get Laid.”
I’ve known guys who don’t get laid, but basically quietly resign themselves to this fate and just stop giving a damn period. Conversely, I’ve known guys who do in fact get laid, but go about it in an all or nothing scarcity mindset fashion and indulge in the “Hos before bros” behavior outlined above to a T.
It’s more about the mindset than the physical status.
Always best to make sure a man cums in peace before you befriend him.
Discredit Maslow’s hierarchy of needs, and your thesis goes down in flames.
I second Alex’s comment at 8:39.
I don’t understand what you’re trusting sexless whoever with. The mentality of the sexless husband vs. the hooker happy stiff vs. virgin computer dweeb guy is very different. One is probably temporary, the other has basically given up by paying for it, and the last is just clueless. All men are oppurtunist, and most woman. Sex isn’t a need. Needs are things one can/will die easily without. Sex probably ranks secondary or tertiary on the needs scale depending on the person in question but it’s only at that level because mental health is a need after primary needs are met. As a want I would accept it being higher priority but to call it a need is just a bit too far.
Was this an Etre kiosk by any chance?
@eckoltd
That is called communicating. Flirting. That is what people do. This game is the spice of life and the loser is the one who takes it too seriously. It is a game for two and you don’t have to be the only one on the receiving end. Make her jump trough your hooks too. Make her wait two days for a message, make her cook a meal and wash your underwear.
What do you want? That unknown women will spread legs at a knack of your fingers?
If a women asks a star from heaven to have sex than problem is with her. If she asks just a small conversation where you show a bit of charm and wit and a small span of mutually enjoyable fun time spent together before sex and it is such a burden for you then problem is with you.
Ha ha ha ha, love it! Another tortuous, long-winded gamer explanation of why women really determine male value. Now we even select our male friends on the basis of whether women like them!
Dude, you are so deep in pussy pedestalizing land I don’t even think you can see light anymore.
This is priceless stuff! Keep it coming!
Oh, so we die without sex? Because we die without food, water, or air. Genius.
Bros before hos.
I think I ran into the same Israeli girl 2 years ago in Norfolk when I went to the MacArthur Mall trying to sell me “Dead Sea” salt. She tried to sell me the same hustle but I wasn’t interested. Not bad looking, though.
@ ubermind
“Make her jump trough your hooks too.”
Wow. So you’re okay with jumping through hoops for pussy? Amazing.
“What do you want? That unknown women will spread legs at a knack of your fingers?”
You argue like a woman. If someone disagrees with you, then you go to the complete opposite extreme to make the person seem ridiculous. Just because someone doesn’t want to jump through hoops doesn’t mean they want unknown women to just fuck them on command. Some men want it to happen naturally without any hoop jumping.
I’ve done it, and many other men have done it.
Poor guy. He was probably raised exactly how most men today are raised: either his father was absent or he just didn’t teach his son how to be a man. It really has condemned this guy to an adulthood of unwanted abstinence, that is….if he doesnt discover Game and turns his life around.
Let me get this straight. You’re saying men who are unsuccessful with women should be shunned by men who are successful? Wow, I thought the whole “divide and conquer” strategy would come from the outside and not from within. Ferd, I’m normally a fan, but this article is counterproductive to the MRA movement. It only encourages further separation between the pussy hound camp and men going there own way. Also, why rag on those less successful than you or your “crew”? We all know the dating marketplace is stacked against these guys and you want to kick them when they’re down? Because you think they will sell you out for the 1st piece of ass that walks by? Ferd, you just sold all of those guys out, and for what? To get your point across that only sexually successful men are deserving of friendship. That mindset sounds too similiar to woman’s “I only pay attention to alpha men.”. With all due respect, I think I’ll make my judgement calls on character from exactly that, a person’s character and actions, not if he slept with 17 chicks last month. All good men in this day and age are deserving of compassion, comradery and mutual respect. You want the world to change the way men are viewed and judged, then start with yourself, Ferd.
P.S. Surrounding yourself with such a super awesome team of alpha’s is kinda gay. By saying so you admitted that your thought process and social screening criteria are the same as a young girl. At least thats what I got from it.
P.P.S Please show me the study that states sex is needed to survive, e.g. you go x ammount of time without sex and you croak. As a health provider I would be most interested in this astonishing breakthrough.
I fully agree with TFH’s second comment. Game is perhaps the most potent weapon in the entire MRA toolbox. It provides a real, tangible incentive for the bumbling betas of the world to take the red pill and fight back. The boost in self esteem and confidence that game provides is a life changing thing, the likes of which all men can relate to. The only thing traditional MRA tactics can offer is a lifetime of argument and disillusion, something most men wish to avoid.
Anyone who calls themselves an MRA while staunchly opposing game, is deluding himself, and likely willing to turn on his fellow man in an instant.
When I saw Paul Elam rejecting game, I saw the image of a haughty French commander on the eve of WWI laughing off the ideas of armored vehicles, automatic rifles, and combat aircraft as “silly baubles” while arguing for the “vital importance” of mounted cavalry in his unit.
When I see the hundreds of comments and ever-increasing readership on game or game-supportive blogs like Roosh, Roissy and IMF, I see an armored column of hard truth ready to roll the enemy down in ways they were not expecting. I see the only rhetorical weapons that will put this war back in our favor.
“his subconscious desire for a woman’s company”
As Advocatus suggested, this guy could be using his money and his house to buy the company of various hot women (not a woman).
“Oh, so we die without sex? Because we die without food, water, or air. Genius.”
K,
Read this: http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/12/30/advice-for-men-express-the-pain-in-your-balls, you fucking ignorant.
You’re really making me think with this one. On one hand, I don’t even want to participate in the sexual marketplace anymore because I don’t want to be part of the problem. And on the other hand you’re making me think about the ways in which I’ve manipulated myself into doing things/jobs that I don’t really want to do, but for the imagined access to women that they’d provide.
In general, any man who is a coward is untrustworthy, and will back stab you at any moment to please what he thinks is the stronger side (the woman in the thought of some).
FB is correct on trusting dudes like this to be responsible wingmen, but don’t see the poor schlep in the story as the problem. See it as an opportunity to evangelize about Game. As in, “if you had better Game, kid, you wouldn’t have been such a chump. Now you’re $80 bucks poorer, no closer to pussy, standing there with your soap in your hand. There’s a better way . . .”
If more dudes knew about the Red Pill, we’d see less chumps like that. I suppose you can see it as competition, but personally the more dudes with Game out there, the better the world is. Each one, teach one.
Nestorious makes a good point. Cowardice in any form will be exploited by weak men for their gain. Cowardice will compel a man to sell out anything for short-term gain.
There are three general types of (straight) men:
1. Men who just don’t place much value on sex with women.
2. Men who want to have sex with women but tell themselves and others that they do not and therefore shun any discussion of sexual pursuit i.e. Game.
3. Men who want to have sex with women and admit it and at least take measures to improve that facet of their life.
As I posted here at IMF right before the Elam-Frost debate it is important for a man that does want sex with a woman – regardless of his history of getting it or not getting it – to at least have the skills and the *knowledge* of what skills are required to master that aspect of his life. As they say, knowledge is power. Not pursuing Game for fear of being a pussy-chaser or whatever still allows the pussy to rule you. I prefer to learn about it in order that it doesn’t control me. If knowledge is power then ignorance is slavery.
Agreed.
When you and your friends know the score, the dynamics of the friendship is altogether a lot better. Your friends have abundance mentality, you have abundance mentality, and each of you trusts the other not to sabotage each other.
Guys who don’t understand ruin stuff when they try to white knight you or bmog you.
Those stupid stories you sometimes hear about friends fighting over one girl, dudes stealing girlfriends, friendships destroyed by a girl/girls- those are all men who live in a desert fighting over an oasis.
I’ve been in that situation where a friend tried to sabotage me because he wanted my girl. He failed, and when his efforts became known he was excommunicated from the group for such a blatant violation of manliness.
Associate with fellow winners.
A pussyhound of a man can sell you out just as easily as a loser with the ladies. Often, they do. I’ve seen men who constantly get pussy sell out their friends especially “bros” just as often and fast as the the loser with the ladies who finally got some sex or female attention. The real basis to judge someone is the content of his character. The other thing is to try to either teach him about MRA and GAME or send him to places like this site and others or people who will teach him. I agree that MRA without GAME is useless, and let me say this: GAME without MRA is useless too. It is important for every man especially a First World Nations man for example an American man or Irish man or South Korean man etc. to know the basic ideas about GAME and MRA even if he is not good at them or is is unable to do them or is unwilling to do them for whatever reasons. The mere knowledge of proper and true MRA or GAME alone makes men more formidable, but the knowledge of proper and true MRA and GAME together forever make men even more formidable.
I meant to say that the knowledge of proper and true MRA and GAME together forever make men even more formidable than the knowledge of MRA or GAME alone.
@ Dan O Great great comment, expresses exactly how I feel about this article.
Incredibly dissapointed with this article.
I am dissapointed in this article. Ferd has written many excellent articles about how the sexual marketplace is unjust and how many men are screwed over. Now he is saying that men who are sucessful in an unfair marketplace are worthless as men.
“Surrounding yourself with such a super awesome team of alpha’s is kinda gay. By saying so you admitted that your thought process and social screening criteria are the same as a young girl. At least thats what I got from it.”
Oh please. Did you think guys in a military company or guys who went out on a hunting party or a group of guys working on an Alaskan fishing boat felt surrounding themselves with a bunch of confident men was gay? Besides, men and boys who go around accusioning other men they don’t know as gay tend to be the most effiminate, insecure ones as far as my experience goes.
Also, consider this-
Most men, when they finally do get a woman, abandon all their friends. Because they are needy and gameless.
A man who better understands attraction and all that stuff knows he has plenty of time to kick it with his friends, and that his new girl does not, and shouldn’t, be the center of his life.
Ipso facto, game can save friendships also.
Chuck your post is great.
Hell, after you have used those “creepy” PUA tactics on dozens of women maybe you will find one they like you like a lot and try to keep her or maybe you’ll just roll on fucking as many sluts as you want.
Men have that choice– they have that power.
I feel really sorry for the guy in the story.
But he will soon learn that one does not use soap as a masturbation aid.
Because that fucking hurts.
Oh, so we die without sex? Because we die without food, water, or air. Genius.
What is funny is that these dumbshits are not campaigning against Game specifically. They are campaigning against basic male heterosexual urge itself.
Criticizing ‘notch-count worship’ is one thing. Saying that young men should simply stop wanting sex, is quite another. That is K’s position, from the quote above.
There is stupid, and there is uber-stupid.
Chuck Rudd,
1. Men who just don’t place much value on sex with women.
2. Men who want to have sex with women but tell themselves and others that they do not and therefore shun any discussion of sexual pursuit i.e. Game.
3. Men who want to have sex with women and admit it and at least take measures to improve that facet of their life.
The people expend the energy to write multiple comments a day against Game belong in group 2, without exception.
Men in Group 1 just won’t care enough to write more than 1% of their total output against Game (e.g. Paul Elam).
But the verbose ones for whom anti-game trolling is 99% of their output, fall in Group 2. Even though they don’t understand what Game is, or why it works.
Remember that 80% of men and 99% of women just can never, ever, ever grasp Game. They are just not capable.
Never expend energy on these people. Unless a person who questions Game shows progress in accepting a few of the most basic premises, you will find that the person fits the ‘can’t grasp it’ category.
Where do you get this “80% of men”? Arguably in pre-feminist society most men act in line with the basics of Game.
@ RX-78 Alex January 9, 2012 at 8:39 am
Thank you for this one, Alex.
I am one of those guys who have accepted fate and stopped even trying to get laid. My last “friend-with-benefits” relationship, with a not-so-desirable woman eight years my senior, ended 25 years ago. And for various reasons or excuses, I deemed it “not worth another go.”
Now I find myself labeled as “not worth trusting,” because I don’t get any tail.
To quote the Dish of the Day in Douglas Adams’ The Restaurant At The End Of The Universe … “Well, then, I’ll just nip off and shoot myself. Don’t worry. I’ll be very humane.”
Ferd, you’re advocating the social-sexual equivalent of being a Republican.
Ugh.
Shit Post
Good post! A lot of the MRA anti-game types claim they oppose an obsession with sex but this is just a canard. The truth is they define “obsession” as having a healthy sexual appetite and being interested in sex at all. These are the intellectual equivalents of eunuchs.
Where do you get this “80% of men”? Arguably in pre-feminist society most men act in line with the basics of Game.
I would say that such societies create rules that steer ordinary people into certain gender-normative results, without these people knowing the subject-matter behind it or even contemplating such deep subjects. So they acted a certain way without knowing the ‘why’. A feminist society like this one loses those customs, thus Game creates (and can exceed) these old outcomes for individual men.
But outside-the-box thinking is a pre-requisite, which only 20% of men and ~1% of women can do.
In general, when someone shows up in this sphere and doesn’t ‘get’ the basics of Game, and continues to have a mental block even after a reputed person explains it in the most easy-to-digest and painstaking detail, that qualifies as the subject being not capable of ‘getting it’. And tons of those types pass through this sphere, some even self-proclaimed MRAs.
In real life, when the subject comes up, a minority of men either see it as already obvious, or if younger, lap up the paradigm eagerly. But the majority seem too terrified to even contemplate the possibility, and double down on a belief that looks (if the man is under age 22) or money (if over 25) are the only things directly correlated with sexual success. Point out mutual acquaintances who disprove this belief by doing much better or worse than their money or looks may predict, and the doubters rapidly change the subject rather than re-assess their beliefs.
Good comments today, but I want to address this:
This is the equivalent of a fat girl wailing that nobody pays attention to her, that “it’s what’s on the inside that counts.” Sorry, but attractive and skinny women tend to be nicer and more interesting than fatties and uggos, and men who get laid tend to be more interesting then ones who don’t. Sexual success is correlated with other forms of success; if you’re getting laid, you’re more likely to be healthy, wealthy (or otherwise financially independent/secure) or learned. Conversely, if you’re involuntarily celibate, you’re more likely to be a fat, stupid loser. I imagine there’s a age cutoff point (like Chuck and Alex mentioned), but this post is accurate for men under age 40.
I’m a musician; I generally hang out with people who are accomplished, like artists and academics. I can emphasize with the plight of the omegas, but that doesn’t require me to want to be around them. In the same way, I support the 99% against the banksters and politicians, but you won’t ever catch me at an Old Country Buffet.
to K, SMH and other Alek Novy disguises and satelites.
We all live in society and from time to time we must communicate and give something to each other. I give something to you, you give something to me, we both benifit. There is no escape from our mutual connection. Also there is no escape from women. I am not ashamed to give something to women as long as I see that women are giving me back equial value. Game is my tool to ensure that the return from a woman will be equial or bigger than my input in her. Giving money for sex is stupid as both parties give and recieve sex, but only man gives money so he gets the short stick.
All the game denialists are utterly selfish people, to the point of lifeless absurdity, who don’t laike giving and recieving back, doing the thing that makes one human, they just want to spend the rest of their lives masturbating and women are just masturbation devices for them. Real sex and real relationships is about exchange. From this exchange both parties must come out richer than they were before. Like feminists don’t understand this concept and want only to recive so do game denialists and all the voluntary omega virgins.
I found this article and the comments on this thread quite useful. They shed light on serveral truths that are unpalatable, but necessary for all sides to hear.
It is possible for both successful pussy hounds and sex starved omegas to betray over a piece of tail, the difference only lies in the details.
I remember back in college I facebook friended this one English girl I had met through a friend when he was banging her. I just figured she could serve as another pivot or to expand my social circle. The next day I get a call from said friend. He seems a little short breathed and anxious and asks me who friended who and I told him what was up.
He calmed down a little and then explained to me what had happened. Apparently they had had a huge fight. He wanted an exclusive relationship for some reason, and she didn’t. They had it out, and she ended saying that she was gonna get back at him by sleeping with all of his friends. Later, she ended sleeping with a mutual friend of ours who was from Sicily. And this sicilian guy, from what I had seen also did well with women, but apparently he was divorced and wanted to make up for lost time.
So there is a prime example of two Alphas acting like little bitches. Thing that I could never understand, was my friend always had good game. But every so often, he’d turn into this little blubbering bitch, or shack up with an ugly chick for a while. My guess is that he had a few issues left to work through. He may turn out to be a paper Alpha. He’s good at roping them in and can maintain the upper hand when he isn’t emotionally attached, but as soon as that happens, he’s fucked and everything he has going for him goes out the window.
When I started to get good with game I realized that a few of my friends were getting jealous and becoming envious. And who were the ones that experienced it? Surprise, surprise, it was the sexless betas and the guys who had their balls locked away in their girlfriends purses. And this happened in a frat house. This shit can happen to you anywhere and it can come from anyone.
I didn’t let it slow me down and eventually just figured that if I had these many people who were supposed to be my closest friends hating on me, then it must mean I was doing something right.
Eventually it got to the point where if I couldn’t lock down a girl to come to a party, I would just find a new chick there. My “bros” tried to cockblock, it didn’t work. Then later they would ask for details because there own sex lives were so dry. If you can plow through that bullshit it will tighten your game immensely.
In regards to the MRA aspect, I find the info that Paul Elam brings to light, along with the legal info from places like false rape society to be quite useful for learning how to protect yourself.
Besides that, I personally think this whole activism thing seems a bit stupid. Feminism is going to collapse under its own weight sooner rather than later due to the system it creates and the groups it has allied itself with. Activism can only hasten it, but not by much. I think people’s energy would be better spent on learning game, learning the new legalese we will have to deal with, personal development and business skills, and preparing for the post misandry world.
To be honest, it seems that MRA is becoming a secular religion in the same way feminism already has and will sooner rather than later become its dark inverted mirror.
Paul Elam is basically trying to get the younger generation to forgo game and sex in order to make them more pliable and dedicated to the activism aspect by saying learning game degrades you and is actually pussy begging. There seem to be many similarities between this anti-game thought and the way feminists declare all heterosexual sex to be rape.
They want young people to stop devoting their energy towards sex by telling them its a meaningless goal. In turn these young people then either turn to masturbation full blast, making them docile and complacent. Or they abstain from this and become more aggressive and confused and have their youthful energy co-opted by an older generation to be redirected towards their political aims.
When the shit hits the fan and some young buck’s ass is on the line the truth about solidarity in the MRM will be put to the test and it will be revealed whether it is true, or just a bunch of hot air.
Is sex a need? It is not a physical need, but it is an emotional, psychological and spiritual need especially for men. Adequate food, clothing, and shelter and sometimes medical care are genuine physical needs for survival. However, life without sex for most people especially men is absolutely miserable, and without it people become more susceptible to becoming emotionally, psychologically and spiritually sick. Only the deeply religious such as Christian and Buddist clergy can do without sex and still be emotionally, psychologically and spritually healthy. However, a minority of clergy suffer because of lack of sex. Of the Christian clergy, it is Catholic priests, monks and nuns as well as some Orthodox priests, monks and nuns who do this. The Buddist priests, monks and nuns do this too. Most people can not live like these clergy persons without serious emotional, psychological and spiritual irritation or pain especially if they are men to one degree or another.
What is worse than living without the sex is living without the love, affection and human warmth especially for heterosexual people who want romantic relationships. Humans can not live without love affection and human warmth without becoming emotionally, psychologically and physically harmed. Without these things, people become more able to regard human life as cheap and not worthwhile. This is particularly true for men especially if they aren’t having romantic relationships. Who here thinks George Sodini, Major Nidal Hassan and recently the Navy pilot would have been less likely to murder if they had been getting sex, love especially romantic love, affection and human warmth? I do!!! Feminism has ruined it not only for men but also for women especially if they are heterosexual.
The only thing is feminism so far has made men pay the higher price. Eventually women will pay as a high of a price as men or worse yet a higher price than men. The only way for women to mitigate this or possibly avoid this is for our society to change now and in the right way. I doubt we will do so. The status quo will not last. It can not. It is inherently unstable.
@ Ferdinand Bardamu
You are right that men who are the sexual losers are less likely to be interesting, wealthy, healthy, learned, physically fit, wise, sane, clever and smart than the men who are sexual winners. I agree with the correalation. However the correalation is weaker among men than women, much weaker. You are more likely to find men who have it together in other areas of their lives even if they are involuntary chaste omegas or virgins or losers with the ladies. These men are also much more likely to try to improve their lives and try to give women what they want even though they may not have a clue or anything else of what it takes to do so in the First World nations especially the USA. They simply don’t know any better although they want to. We’ve also seen how the retarded convict is swimming in more fine vagina than he knows what to do with.
A uninteresting, poor, unhealthy, unlearned, physically unfit(fat), foolish, insane doltish and stupid woman can get more attention and good kinds of attention than her male counterpart even if it is for one night stand pump and dump sport sex. She usually can get a better man to physically service her, but foolishly believes that a better man will commit to a loving romantic relationship. Her counterpart male is worse off because he can’t get laid without paying for it and is less likely to get a solid sane stable romatic relationship.
You have as much said so as far as my memory and interpretation of your article concerning the George Sodini rampage murders. The system as imposed by feminism is more geared towards screwing men unless you are alpha enough especially with the ladies. Then you are swimming in success or swimming in more vaginas than you could ever need. It’s become much more of a feast or starve world since my grandfather’s day. Consider that 4% of men and 5% of women aged 40-44 never married in 1970. In 2010, that number for the same age group is 16% for men and 10% for women.
Unmarried men, men without children and men not getting sex, love especially romantic love, affection and human warmth are more than happy to let the entire civilization burn down or fall down without lifting a finger to save it even if they do little to nothing to cause it to burn or fall. They may even rip said civilization apart alive if they get angry enough, think thay can get away with it or are desperate enough no matter what the harsh consequences. There’s simply nothing good enough in it for them. Feminists never seem to understand this and Social Conservatives aren’t much better.
@ Ubermind
You stated:
Like all feminists don’t understand this concept and only want to recieve so do game denialists and all voluntary omega virgins.
Was this a typo? Did you mean voluntary or involuntary omega virgins? Most male omega virgins are not virgins by choice. Few men choose to be chaste even if they are not virgins and fewer choose to be virgins. A higher percentage of women choose to be virgins than men and a much higher percentage of women choose to be chaste than men. I agree that most men should try to learn game, but not all men can learn adequately enough to bang any women. A higher percentage of men may be able to learn how to bang women, but then they look at the terrible women(fat, stupid, surly personalities) they can get with little to no chance of improvement and decide it’s not worth banging them. A lower percentage of men have expectations with women which are too high. Learning Game to bang women works for some men, inadequately for most men’s desires, and not at all for some men. The most important aspect of learning Game is not banging women, but learning the true nature of women, reducing the chances a man let’s giving women the pussy pass and the reducing the chances that men will put women on a pedestal as well as handle women and maybe men as best as he can.
I also disagreed with your attack on Advocatus Diaboli and his use of prostitution mainly for the reasons I listed in the above paragraph. I agree if Advocatus Diabloi would be better off if he learned Game, but what if for whatever reason he is unable? Should he remain chaste? I think not. Even if he is unwilling to learn Game to the extent where he can bang women, I say so why shouls I care. He understands Game better than most men. At least he isn’t a supplicating White Knight or Mangina which would include most First World men especially American men. Even if such supplicating White Knights and Manginas were told what their true nature was, would they ponder the question? Not likely. Even fewer would agree. Fewer than the ones who agreed would try to change their nature to be less supplicating White Knights and Manginas. The Fewest of all would succeed to any degree much less completely succeeed. Advocatus Diaboli is most likely an omega with the women, not a beta just like Roosh found at http://www.rooshv.com was once and Omega with the women, but is now an Alpha. Omegas and to a lesser extent former Omegas are more likely to have a dim view of women because of female neglect at best and cruelty at worst to them than even even betas and former betas who are now alphas. Men who were always Alphas with the ladies tend not to fully understand men nor have sympathy for men who have had more difficulty with the ladies. Many men who were always alphas also will think women are more wonderful than they are. Why wouldn’t they? They get more of what they want and need from women. Self Made Man formerly known as Assanova is a prime examlpe of a man who was for the most part always Alpha with the ladies despite his college Freshman dry spell, and I forgot his site address. That’s why men who were former betas or better former omegas and are now alphas are better at teaching most men Game and corraberating a lot of what the MRA people say on average.
Unlike learning enough game to bang more and better women, I think virtually every man can learn enough Game to stop being supplicating White Knights and manginas for women. They will have more difficulty understanding the true nature of women hence why they won’t get more and better bangs with hotter women. It would still be a massive improvement though. Sadly most men don’t know any better and even if they did, they would do little or nothing to stop being the emasculated pussy whoopped white knights and manginas they are even if they weren’t getting laid, they would be better men for it and able to handle women better even if that meant avoiding them as much as possible to avoid female abuse.
I like sex. I hit on women all the time. I probably do more clubbing and bar hopping than really anyone on this site. I am just not a slave to the pussy, and certainly not to the point where I pick my male friends based on whether women like them, which is a very sad thing to me.
So please guys, stop saying guys who oppose game oppose sex. We love sex. We offer alternatives to game in getting women. We want to help guys who have trouble getting women. In many cases, we ourselves did game and have first hand experience of how it fucks up your mind and how it makes it much harder for you to get sex. We just believe that game is pussy-centric and slavish, and does not work.
Now, I think it needs to be pointed out that a guy who gets sex would never write a post that is as pussy centric as this. To such a man, sex is easy, no big deal. But to the guy who cannot get laid, sex might become an obsession, to the point that he begins to think about everything in terms of how it relates to whether women like him. A guy who gets laid would never say it is as essential as food, air, and water.
In general, the more remote and unobtainable a thing seems to us, the more important and central it seems to us.
It’s quite similar with the way roissy writes about beautiful women. He writes about them with a kind of breathless awe. No man who actually gets beautiful women thinks or writes about them that way. It’s a dead give away.
Now, a few words about game, and superior alternatives. First, consider the psychology of dominance and the alpha male. In reality, a man is strong if he can standup for himself when his rights are challenged (is not a pushover), and can assert his legitimate rights in an appropriate way (without disrespecting others). Now, these are very important skills to have, but what happens if a person feels that he might not possess the strength for them? He will develop what is known psychologically as an “overcompensation”. Basically, out of fear that he will not have what it takes to stand up for himself, he will attempt to “dominate” others. This is why inappropriate aggression towards others, macho behavior, and an obsession with disrespecting and dominating others have long been recognized as signs of poor self-esteem, not just by professionals, but by the man in the street. Think about the last time you saw someone try to be “dominant”.
Now, as for the concept of the guy who CANNOT get laid, that doesn’t exist. Every guy can get laid, and there are things you can do right now to make it happen. There are guys who are struggling, but there is help. First, get rid of the notion of the alpha. It is an adolescent fantasy and a classic case of overcompensation. It will make you socially mis-calibrated.
Get rid of the idea of needing to be a jerk or an asshole – these are massive stumbling blocks to getting good with women. Jerks just antagonize women. If a woman really, really likes a guy, she might TOLERATE jerkiness – which is where the myth of “chics dig jerks” comes from. It is a correlation not causation.
Basically, in the department of being “strongly male”, ALL you need to learn is how not to be a pushover – to stand up for yourself – and to express yourself and assert yourself in appropriate ways (in ways that respect others). Once you got that handled, you are golden. Stop any attempts to “dominate”, deprecate, or be a jerk or an asshole, to women or men. It makes you look weak.
Now, the reason why trying to be an asshole or “dominate” women is such a massive roadblock is because it prevents you from developing the social skills needed to be good with women. Now, “being good with women” means pretty much one, very simple thing. It is not an esoteric or complex concept at all. It does NOT mean “making women like you”. It is about how you behave towards women who ALREADY like you. In short, it means being social and “comfortable” around women. You do this by learning to eliminate hostile vibes you might be sending out and by eliminating signs that you are “un-comfortable” around women. Trying to be alpha will interfere with this process. Guys who get the most chics are those who are “comfortable” around them, not guys who try to “dominate” them or act aloof. Get rid of the silly notion you can “create” attraction in women. All you can do is act “normal” around chics that already dig you, and learn how to better identify them.
This has been a very basic run down – check out the approach guide at seductionmyth.com fora fuller version.
So basically, to “understand game” is being used by TFH as a synonym for “accepting game”. lol. What I enjoy about the writings of gamers is that things that are considered intellectually embarrassing and a sign of anti-intellectual and cult-like thinking amongst scientists and rational thinkers, are embraced and boldly admitted to by gamers.
I really appreciate that. In my circles, lots of the people I argue with are just as irrational and cult like as gamers, but they are infinitely more intellectually sophisticated, and would never make the kind of naive intellectual gaffe represented in the quote above (and that both TFH and Bardamu make involuntarily on a regular basis), so arguing with them is much more tricky. It can take real dexterity unmasking the irrationality.
But gamers are wonderful intellectual naifs unaqcuainted with the most basic rules of good thinking and rigorous logic, and just say the first thing that pops into their heads. This is not a bad thing – acquaintance with the rules of good logic and rigorous evidence is used by most people merely to mask their irrationality and to avoid simple mistakes, thus making it harder to get at the truth. So arguing with gamers has its refreshing side.
@ Ubermind, you don’t understand my position at all.
Basically, as a social being who wishes to have friends and exist in a society, I owe others politeness, respect, non-hostile behavior, and friendliness. But I also owe it to myself to respect myself, my time, my needs, and my values.
Doing anything beyond being a positively social being who does not needlessly antagonize others in order to be liked by them is being disrespectful towards my needs, wants, and values.
You also might want to consider whether it is the gamer conception of the alpha which is 1) Anti-social to others, and 2) Disrespectful to MY wants, values, and needs (as in the sense that I must suppress natural feelings of mine that I see no problem with – like kindness, niceness – in order to be liked by women, according to the alpha theory).
So you see, the moment we get rid of gamer concepts like the “alpha male” (which is a nerdy adolescent fantasy and a classic case of overcompensation), we open the door to understanding how social relations REALLY work between men and women and we can begin to learn to act in ways that are benevolent and affectionate towards women while at the same time learning to respect our own needs,wants, and values.
It’s a win-win – there is no need to hurt women, and there is no need to sacrifice ourselves. We give women their due, and we give ourselves our due.
Once you grasp that the science says that sexual attraction is not created by things like dominance or aggression or confidence – but that women are attracted to you based on your genotype, you become free to drop all the childish posturing.
@ doc love
By omega virgins I meant those individuals on blogosphere who take pride in being gameless omega virgins.
I agree with you that invalids who are so mutilated or ugly that even game doesn’t help them should have sax available to them for money. But this should really be the rare case. But my biggest opposition to paying for sex comes from a fact that I see it as a form of female pedestalisation. Women enjoy sex too so why should a man pay for that? Even historically when women didn’t work smart men paid women for bearing children not for sex. The fact that men continue to pay in age of women careers and contraception and have confused the reason why they pay is disgusting.
@ k
You misinterpret my position as well.
I am a strong proponont of unity between men. Bros before hoes. Social aggression and dominance plays are hurtful to that. No man should humiliate another to appear more alfa in the eyes of women. This may give him the short-term benefits of getting laid but hurts him in the long run by creating a hostile anti-male society.
But alfa and beta still have their place. Just not among men, all men should be equals, but as alfas, not as betas. Alfa and beta should be measured against women. There are betas who bow down to women, by not respecting their own time, money, values and needs and sacrafacing them for their woman and ask nothing in return, exept to kiss the ground she walked. And there are alfas who would invest only a few words in a women to see how she responds and if she returns with more then he will invest a little bit more provided the woman eagerly responds and invests in her answers more than he in his openers, so they both escalate in their giving/recieving. Alfa will keep a woman accountable at all times and an alfa will draw a line that he will never cross for a woman.
So I basicly agree to your viewpoint but that doesn’t comes in conflict with game for me. I believe this conflict against game in you is unnecessary. More like a conflict against immature and incompetent adolescent use of game when little boys compete for a girl and start measuring their dicks forgetting about the actual girl. But that is beta actually.
@ k
All is right about what you say but I disagree about the whole predetermined/genotype/women-who-already-like-you-only thing.
The better I became in game the more women liked me. Even women types who previously discarded me in a second.
I am a guy with no specific features in my standard appearance. For me and most of guys women don’t have an evaluation available as soon as they see us. Actions determine what a women will think about a man and not a bodytype. The smell might have something to do with women’s choice, but today everybody uses perfume and once rapport is established, people produce relationship pheromones to bond with their partner anyway.
“Jerks just antagonize women.” This is true in a society where all men are respectable alfa males with self-worth. In a mangina society, jerks get all the pussy.
Ok I’ll lay out my cards on the table, I’m a virgin, I’m just like that soap guy you described, can’t get a girlfriend. And make no mistake there are many others like me out there.
You emphathize with us? Bullshit. All you want to do is show how fucking smart and awesome you are by pointing this out. How is this even remotely practical in real life?
Odds are most guys do this unconsciously anyway. All you’ve done is thrown a group of guys under the bus that most men, all women and society at large ostrasizes anyway. Join the club.
If you really emphathized/gave a crap about us you’d write a article telling guys like me to wake the hell up and stop being that loser with the soap.
You know what I want? I want to be coddled for once! Women get coddled by other women why can’t men? Tell us it’s ok if we’re not successfull getting girls, that’s we’re special and we deserve a gold star. Stupid, but at least it’s better than outright hostility. The fat woman who’s sad she saw a skinny model on a magazine gets a whole bunch of supportive comments from feminist blogs, women who sleep around get support from women who hate slut shaming, anorexic women get support, “OH it’s not your fault it’s SOCIETy” but oh the guy who can’t get any!!! “You’re a fat ugly stupid loser who lives in your mom’s basement and likes Star Wars!!!”
I mean congratulations, for all your smarts all you’ve done is given a slightly upscale makeover to the internet’s most common taunt. Something done by men to make other men feel like crap and empower women.
It’s either the brainless frat boy type men who do the typical male virgin shaming, or the intellectuals like you who calmly break it down why you should feel like crap. Just for once I’d like men to support men like me. That too much to ask?
Spatialneutron, you overestimate women. When they coddle a fat girl they in fact sabotage her. Women tell other women that it’s good to eat those cupcakes, cut that hair, dump that solid guy. Fema femini lupus.
By being honest with you, men are doing you a favor. Besides, the coddling thing is overrated. I went through a difficult period in my twenties (not related to sex) and when “coddled”, I felt even more shitty about my situation afterwards.
Yeah, spatialneuron. You’re right.
A very bad, and worsening, implicit female-centric perspective is taking hold among even the men who should know better.
Demographers say that when there are a lot more men than women it always leads to war. I wonder whether this kind of mindset among men is the prelude to the war. It’s looking like a kind of psychosis in a way, an obsession that must be beyond anything under more normal circumstances.
Historically celibacy was channeled in very respected ways, for monks, priests, visionaries and scientists, and even warriors.
The default ranking shown by the post is by men, yet is based entirely on women. Women also do the exact same kind of ranking. All of it based on sex with women. Obviously it serves the interests of women to have it this way, but why should men play along so totally? To some degree, of course, it’s only natural, but to this degree? Who does this serve?
Can it get any more base? It’s not even the animalistic nature of it that bothers me. It’s the fact that it all defaults to the female as the standard.
This can’t be justified by evolutionary biology. If that were some absolute rule it would have never been otherwise culturally and historically, yet it was mostly very much other than today’s primitive, female-based standard.
Ferd-
My comment was the equivalent of a wailing fat girl? Was I wailing about myself or just expressing my thoughts that judgements on people’s character should be based off of something more than just if you’re getting laid or not. The fat girl laments out of self preservation. I’m just showing a little compassion to my fellow man when he is down. But I guess compassion and empathy toward other men is only warranted when they get laid often enough. I’ll just take my “fat girl rant” over to AVfM. Compassion and respect for ALL men doesn’t play second fiddle to being awesome/alpha/highest pussy count over there. Argue whatever point you want. In the end, everyone deserves a little compassion. Few more so than the men our society has deemed untouchable. “Fat girl rant” over.
A few years ago, I got those Dead Sea salts for Christmas.
spatialneutron,
Your number one goal should be to lose your virginity. This is a big hurdle you need to get over.
spatialneutron,
I think the reasons other men are telling you to try and lose your virginity is because they know you will feel better about yourself when you do. Guys obsess over this, and get down on themselves about it. I know it is affecting your confidence with women.
Spatialnuetron-
I don’t coddle. I don’t pity. I don’t judge. You’re a virgin and I don’t think thats a problem at all. Whether it’s forced or a conscious decision, you are no less deserving of friendship and respect. Your above post is correct in that Ferd totally jumps on the “let’s point and laugh at the nerdy guy” bandwagon. All it is missing is the term “man up”.
And even if it is anonymously posted on the internet, sacking up like that and saying something personal like “I’m a vigin” that takes balls. I see alot of people giving you shit already for it. To hell with them and their standards on what makes a man a man. Do what you think is right and staying true to your principles will make you more manly than any woman would. Anybody who tells you different is selling something. Probably a shitty PUA book they just wrote, and a douchey hat. And yes, I do study game. Game is useful in the manosphere, in that it helps men become more confident in themselves, just as accomplishing any seemingly difficult task. Its the accomplishing things, not the sex that make game worthwhile.
Isn’t this article counterproductive? Why in the hell are we using something as fickle and warped as female sexual selection as a yard stick to measure a man’s worth? Should it not be his actions and words? What I took from this article is that men should screen male friend’s by the same way women select sexual partners, by prior female pre-selection. Shaming men for not being invited by the girls to the pussy party…How manly is that? How does that help men? I’m all ears.
@Fred’s OP
It is indeed so that being sexually obsessed makes people easy to manipulate and likely to fool themselves on their own accord. “Pliable”, as you call it. However, it is not true that there is any direct inverted corrolation between the level of obsession and the amount of sleeping around. On the contrary, sleeping around a lot is sometimes (although FAR from always) a sign of being sexually obsessed – and thus not trustworthy. Addicts are not trustworthy, no matter what their addiction is. They will indeed betray for a fix.
You did bring up that the problem isn’t with those who chose to not sleep around, the problem is with those who desperately want sex but can’t get it. That’s correct, and a good start. However, a guy having a lot of sex is NOT any insurance that he won’t get withdrawal symptoms later, and thus be inclined to betray. In may come much faster than you think.
Also, the whole “successful gamer alpha male” identity thingy often have a LOT of posturing and pretense built into it. Certainly, a guy who is stable and masculine and sleeps around a lot seem to be the kind of guy you want to have as a friend… But he might not be what he seems. He may be extremely insecure at heart, using “masculinity” as a crutch to stabilize his fragile identity. And the reason he sleeps around so much is that it’s a top priority in his life. Me might even be lying about his success with the ladies… inflated/empty bragging seem to be rather common in the manosphere.
@spatialneutron,
Wow. You say that out loud. Here. That takes courage.
There’s a lot of male virgins here, but they are usually busy bragging about their imaginary sex-lives.
@JP,
When you talk about MRA/MRM secular religion and inversion/reflection of feminism, that’s consistent with a lot of my experience with these sites. In fact, I have a hard time telling the difference between the worst MRA:s and the worst radfems (radical feminists): The main difference lies in the pronouns, and I’ve never been much into that. I mean, the whole “blame the sorrows of the world & my sad little life on the other gender” is central to both. Keep in mind that I’m talking about the worst ones here – there are also those who have reasonable things to say – on “both sides”, except that the differences between those sides might not be so big as they might think.
@Dan O,
Well, yeah, that’s one of the biggest problems with this whole movement – not just this particular page. No wonder they feel oppressed by women, when they put so much of their identities and sense of self-worth into how much validation they can get from women. Sadly, in some cases this even come with the rule that the women in question must be women that he doesn’t even respect. For such a man’s sense of self-worth, he MUST sleep around with him – but of they do sleep around with him, then they are lowly “sluts”.
If a person who sleep around is a slut, then almost all men here are sluts – or at least try/pretend to be. No point in having a double standard between the genders. And nothing wrong with being a slut, as long as you’re an ethical slut.
(As for my own position, I’m a male ethical slut. I only sleep with women who I like and respect, and I do it because we like it – never because of having something to prove.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_slut
@Spatialnuetron
I wish you well and would give you advice, help you and be your friend if you would turn form me for advice and help.
But until I see how you remember your friends after you get a girl, I would treat you with suspicion. I have seen too many guys sheeplessly betray other men when their girlfiends or wifes do an angry stare at them.
Just like I would teach you to drive a car with friendly advice, but wouldn’t trust you to drive me unatended until you pass the exam.
This is the golden middle path IMHO.
The last thing a virgin needs is coddling. He needs to be spurred to action. Think of it as someone who has suffered an injury, and needs to get up and move to heal, rather than lay in bed.
spatailneutron,
One other thing, don’t get your friends involved in your quest to lose your virginity. Too many guys out there will use you to make themselves feel superior, and possibly even try to establish dominance over you to get girls to like them. Then he’ll end up sleeping with her.
“Methinks the lady doth protest too much.”
Every time I read one of Ferd’s nerd-bashing articles, I grow more convinced that he’s the biggest loser out of anyone on this site. It’s the classic case of viciously attacking your own group to prove to your pals that you’re not a member. Nobody without that kind of ulterior motive would think of writing this kind of crap.
“Male virgins are untrustworthy and EVIL.”
Or my personal old favourite, “I wish I could form squads of thugs to beat up all the nerds in the world.”
OR, the other possible alternative, that as his site has gotten crappier and crappier, he uses more and more obvious nerd-baiting tactics in order to get advertising hits a la Gawker Media / Alyssa Bereznak.
I’m not sure which option is more pathetic tbh
Should women trust or be friends with men who can’t get laid?
I see the nerds are braying their butthurt, as usual — “Durr, Ferd bashes loser men so he must secretly um be a loser himself.” Yeah, and I also bash feminists so I must be a secret feminist too.
spatialneutron:
Fat girls get “support.” They’re supported right into 400-pound sexual irrelevance and health problems, all the while believing nothing is wrong with them and blaming the world for their problems. You really want that?
Here’s some real advice — if you want to lose your virginity, get a few hundred dollars or so together, go to Montreal (or Toronto, or Vancouver) and hire an escort. Advocatus Diaboli has some great advice for using escorts on his blog, and I have some tips as well. Don’t listen to the keyboard jockeys who claim that prostitutes aren’t “real” sex. Once you’ve gotten this albatross off of your neck, we can talk.
If you can’t take this simple step, there’s no reason why anyone should respect you. It’s not that getting pussy is so hard — it’s that getting it is so EASY. The only people who think it’s hard are those who have a prejudice against paying for it. The bare minimum you have to do to get laid is pony up and you can be having sex with a gorgeous woman. And the confidence you get from fucking that hot woman and only having to pay $200-300/hr or so will stay with you and make your life that much easier.
Alternately, you can keep moping like a little bitch, which won’t get you any closer to losing your virginity, but hey, at least you’ll have someone to cry with!
You may curse me out for being harsh, but this comment will do more for you then all the hugs in the world.
To my comment to spatialneutron above, I should add that anyone who tells you that you’re fine just the way you are and that you don’t need to change is lying to you. They’re trying to sabotage you, keep you trapped in your station in life, stuck in a caste in which you are not allowed to leave. Many of them also do it out of resentment — they want you to stay as miserable and unhappy as they are with their lives.
Most human beings in their natural form are worthless sacks of pus. It requires work, bloodshed and strife to become a worthwhile person, to change your identity and character. But once you’ve emerged from the battlefield, the old you, the you that you hated, is dead and buried. You are like a butterfly emerged from the chrysalis — a new man.
While I understand the logic behind this, I disagree. The content of a persons character is a much better way to judge, whether they’re swimming in pussy or can’t get laid to save their life is irrelevant. Someone who is successful will just as easily betray you if they think you’re a threat. They have much much more to lose.
I know some of you guys admired spatialnuetron’s honesty. I really don’t. He shouldn’t even admit to being a virgin.
@ spatialneutron
You might also e-mail Pro-Male Anti-feminist Tech for advice. He lost his “virginity” around age 30 or so, I think, but he seems to be doing pretty well now.
Ollie,
I see an armored column of hard truth ready to roll the enemy down in ways they were not expecting.
That is why Game is Horseman #1 of the Four Horsemen of Male Emancipation.
Google ‘The Misandry Bubble’ and read the whole thing, for more details.
“Pro-Male Anti-feminist Tech … lost his “virginity” around age 30 or so, I think”
And when will he lose the internet’s lamest handle ever?
It seems like quite a few hackles were raised by the author’s claim that a sex-starved man is a ho-before-bros kind of man. Hey, he is probably right in many cases.
Look, it is the same thing in the female realm…except in the hardcore radical lesbian feminist circle. Women will often put dicks-before-chicks. Heck, many of them will put a dick before their kids…bringing in some ghetto boyfriend who ends up abusing her children and sucking off her EBT card. This is why I don’t befriend single mothers who sleep around. Their priorities aren’t straight.
Spatialneutron,
Congratulations. You are probably one of the rare members of society who has never contracted a venereal disease. Count your blessings.
:)
@ Ubermind
I agree that if you pay any sex worker from strippers to prostitutes etc., then you will inflate her sense of value in the sexual market place. Most sex workers find their work exhilarating or empowering because of the male attention and such said males willingness to hand over resources(money) to the sex workers, and this is why so many feel compelled to stay in the sex worker life or return to it.
However, keep in mind that most women can not be sex workers. Most simply aren’t pretty enough. More than half of the women who are pretty enough are not psychologically ready to be sex workers. There are only so many sex workers that the market will be able to bear anyway, and then the monetary price drops from men wishing to pay women on top of it all. It operates under the same principle as any other service, commodity or product. Sex work is a service, not commodity or product. Market forces come to bear on sex work, one of the many types of professional male and female relationships,just like anything else and government regulation and prohibition distort the market just like it did with normal amatuer relationships between men and women to include romantic and sexual relationships. This is why The Fifth Horseman(TFH), a blogger who has posted in this article by Ferdinand Bardamu wrote “The Misandry Bubble” article online. Look it up on http://www.google.com for a good read. Also read http://www.maggiemcneill.wordpress.com by Maggie McNeill, a former escort if you really want to understand how prostitution and sometimes male and female relationships work. I don’t always agree with TFH and Maggie McNeill, but they are right most of the time.
The thing you need to understand is that Stripping is monetarily payed masturbation without payoff(ejaculation) for the man. At least prostitution will deliver on the payoff(ejaculation) for the man. Don’t be like a typical woman and hate on prostitution, and please prove and confirm me right that you are a wise man and not a fool. Prostitutes are the biggest strike-breakers on the Union of Women or Team Vagina as can ever be found. Even TFH looks forward to virtual reality sex and robotic sex machine androids to break the misandry bubble for the benefit for men, and he states that he does resonably well with women even though most men don’t. Decriminalized free market unprohibited sensibly regulated Prostitution causes amatuer women to see their real value in the Sexual Market Place(SMP) and their real romantic value to men. It tends to help men not tolerate poor behavior from women, and causes women to behave better. Even Ferdinand Bardamu is reccomending it in some cases in comment 73.
Doclove is right! Legalized prostitution would drastically inprove the lives of many men of the omega and beta varieties and would break the monopoly women currently wield on pussy distribution. Also, women would have to develop personalities and offer substantive domestic qualities in order to win men into relationships.
The Misandry Bubble pops due to all FOUR of the Horsemen of Male Emancipation working in tandem by 2020.
Just like an orchestra has wind, string, percussion, and brass instruments, all Four Horsemen create a sum greater than the individual parts. Some MRAs put faith in just one or two of these factors, but that is to miss the bigger picture.
All four have their own specific functions.
@Ferdinand Bardamu
The negative reactions to this post are funny. Basically you are saying you do not want to be friends with omegas in this post. Which many MRA people react by attacking you for not standing up for the universal brotherhood of men by not wanting to be friends with omegas. Personally, I am an omega & I am not offended by this post.
People have a right to choose who they want to be friends. It is a very liberal notion to assume you must be friends with a guy, because you have the same enemies & problems. You could call this reaction to your post fraternal victimology. A lot of people in the MRA movement seem to embrace this idea of fraternal victimology.
Do not worry, not all omegas need the love & support from our brothers to make it in this world. We do fine by ourselves. God bless you Ferdinand Bardamu. We will never be friends, but I will never be your enemy.
k is clearly the ‘Harry’ commenter who was at my site and Frost’s after the big debate. i wonder what other handles k posts under…
Chuck:
At this point, it’d be shorter to list what handles he HASN’T sockpuppeted with. I’ve started ignoring him completely after realizing who he really is — he briefly posted on Roosh’s forum as “georgec,” where he got deservedly bitched out by everyone after he spent thousands on a trip to Ukraine and spent all his time whining on the forums about how the girls wouldn’t give him the time of day… when he not only couldn’t be bothered to learn to speak Ukrainian or anything about Ukrainian culture, he hilariously thought Kiev would be NYC with Cyrillic road signs. And naturally, he blamed everyone on the forum instead of himself for being a lazy ass.
It was around this time he switched from hero-worshipping Roosh to hero-worshipping AlekNovy (see the comments on Boris Smirnoff’s “Pickup Artist Scam” here at IMF) in roughly the same amount of time it took Andrea Dworkin to convince Linda Lovelace that she’d actually been raped during the production of Deep Throat. He calls to mind John Entwhistle’s line: “Every sentence in my head, someone else has said.” After that little love-in, Roosh banned him from the forum for being a backstabbing leech, so Georgec the manly man responded by posting a one-star review of Bang on Amazon, which he later raised to three stars after Roosh contacted him. In other words, he’s a keyboard jockey, a pussy and a flake.
I encourage you to read his posting archive at Roosh’s forum, then go back to ignoring him. He was just as passive-aggressive, fake and Aspergery when he was “pro-game” then when he became “anti-game.”
Ferd,
How do you know for sure that it’s the same guy?
I can’t believe this dude was jamming up my blog and Frost’s and others with his holier-than-though “I don’t approach women” BS when he traveled to Ukraine in June and got blown out and decided that he should just stop approaching women or doing anything at all in order to reach a goal of getting sex from women. That’s the same attitude as a fat chick or an unattractive feminist who grows to hate men just because she doesn’t have what it takes to get them. And they develop a sophisticated philosophy which serves as a defense mechanism in order to protect them from this failure.
Chuck:
1) Because Roosh told me.
2) If you want hard evidence, here are the IMF posts where he last commented as “georgec”:
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/07/28/the-pickup-artist-scam/
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/08/05/inside-a-pua-bootcamp-with-badboy/
You’ll notice he was making the exact same arguments back then. “The Pickup Artist Scam” was where he started licking Novy’s balls. Ignore them both.
Also for reference, here’s the negative review of Bang he posted:
http://www.amazon.com/review/RVALOHIRMC4PS/ref=cm_cr_pr_perm?ie=UTF8&ASIN=1438214235&nodeID=&tag=&linkCode=
Check the timestamp on the review and compare it to the timestamps of his posts on “The Pickup Artist Scam” and at Roosh’s forum.
I am also Santa Claus, he he he. I’m flattered you’re so obsessed with my possible identity, Ferd-Nerd, but you might wanna get that paranoia looked into.
@ Chuck –
I don’t know if you are attributing that to me or one of the fantasy personas Ferd-Nerd claims is me, but I made clear above there are lots of things you should be doing to get women, and that if you don’t do them, you have no one to blame but yourself. I just gave a run down above. Go read it. You should learn to be positively social, comfortable around women, you should learn to read their signals and respond to them in a genuine interaction rather than just “plow” ahead and attempt to “dominate” them lol. I am just against doing game. Game is just ONE way of attempting to get women. There are others that actually work (they don’t work at creating sexual attraction. That cannot be created. They merely work at helping you find the chics that dig you and to not antagonize them through socially mis-calibrated behavior. There are things you can do to help you in this area, and guys need the help.)
Sigh. But I know you won’t hear what I just said. For some reason, for gamers if a guy is against game then he is against getting women or doing anything to get women. No matter how many times you correct them on this they keep on pretending it is true.
@ ubermind
The whole alpha/beta dichotomy does not really exist. It’s more of a fantasy invented by nerds who have been shat on by women and now fantasize about dominating them and disrespecting them. There is a reason that guys who stay with game the longest and can’t see past it are the biggest nerds and – the idea of dominating and disrespecting women holds a tremendous emotional appeal to them, because it is so far from the actual reality of who they are and their histories with women. Guys with healthy egos don’t dream of dominating others and disrespecting them.
Anyways, if you believe game worked for you you might want to read seductionmyth.com, who discusses this issue. It’s quite eye opening. It discusses all the blind spots and cognitive biases involved in your conclusion.
Also, it sounds like game means to you nothing more than just being social and standing up for yourself, which is fine. Some guys get only that message from game and don’t do all the alpha psycho-sexual domination crap, and actually do experience better results socially. These guys are not really doing game (game is about alpha, not just being more social), but THINK they are. But you have to realize the guys who really do the alpha bullshit thing lose lots of opportunities to get laid and fuck themselves up mentally for a long time.
Alright K, you’ve had your fun, but now you’re banned for wiping your ass with Rule 2 of my Comment Policy. I know I said I wouldn’t ban you, but that was before I found out a phony, pathetic loser you are. Quick, now run back to AlekNovy’s or the Revolting Omega Virgin’s for a group cry. “Waaaah haaaah, the gamer cultists were MEAN to me!” Meanwhile, I’ve got all the hard evidence to show who you really are and why everything you say is a lie. Tell your manly anti-game buddies the story of how you fell in love with the first fat Polish girl you talked to when you ran from Ukraine with your tail between your legs. That’ll impress ‘em!
Here’s the georgec archive at Roosh’s forum. I’m not making any of this shit up – look for yourself:
http://www.rooshvforum.com/search.php?action=results&sid=1fbc5aed7015f787c1c97853397c6af4
This article is rubbish. Here you are disecting the soap customer from your ivory tower. If you want to find out if hes trustworthy go make an effort to know him. Your article is full of assumptions fueled by paranoia.
Chuck,
And they develop a sophisticated philosophy which serves as a defense mechanism in order to protect them from this failure.
This is what I have been saying all along.
AlekNovy’s hatred of Game is merely due to him spending a lot of money on seminars, not getting results, and now going on the warpath against Game just because he is crying over the time and money he spent in vain.
It is laughable for him to be called an MRA (based on what?), as 95% of his output is anti-Game trolling, and his avoidance of basic questions that would prove (or disprove) his grasp of Game.
He only uses Paul Elam to piggyback off of, as once a year a real MRA writes a little bit against Game (amounting to 1% of his blogging output), that is like Christmas for AlekNovy, sort of like a nebbish who hurls vitriol while standing behind his bodyguard.
I agree with the article. It’s like in The Big Bang Theory. Leonard, Howard and Rejesh are always putting down the others in front of women, and will sell them out in hopes of getting laid. Leonard will almost always agree with Penny.
The only loyal one in the group is Sheldon because he’s not interested in sex. He’ll still insult the others, but that’s just his character, and he insults them less than he insults Penny.
This article nicely shows that the MRM is impossible to get under a single “hat”.
Which is good, as this way it´s harder to co-opt like most all movements have been.
But also leads to half-truths like in this article to muddy the water. And wanna be leaders like Elam or Roissy to elevate their pussy begging into much more than it is.
I´m speaking as such an aforementioned involuntary celibate “Omega”.
But hardly the defeated bogeyman you all seem to depend upon to be out there, so to justify sinking back into the arms of these nagging, two-faced, self-important, mostly incompetent bitches.
What Ferd witnessed is nothing but the natural outcome of a good conwoman finding easy prey.
I wouldn´t necessarily base my world-view on this hapless tool.
Nor BTW some fucked up TV show regurgitating old nerd clichés. Using constant laugh tracks to make it supposedly bearable to watch.
Oh, Ferdinand, I am soooo mancrushing on you right now (in a nongay way of course, ahem, unless, you are, like open to that, y’know we could..a..ahem, explore the possibilities.)
Well, I just spoke with Amanda Marcotte at Pandagon Express and we are so glad that you think that the only value a man has is that which the matriarchy grants him by how much sex he gets. It’s all about female approval, donchya know. That’s really what Feminism is all about. All the equality talk was just to sound good for the humanitarians and Democrats. We’ll still call you a misogynist in public, but in private you are an ally. And, donchya know a Feminist’s ally in private might just get unfeathered access to a Feminists privates (I am sooo digging you right now FB!)
Now if you can only undo all the damage those MGTOW’s have done and get some stupid guys to die in wars and drown on ships just for the pu$$y….
To everyone who is getting all butthurt about Ferd having standards for who he interacts with, and encouraging others to do likewise, let me break down his message.
What Ferd is basically saying is “If you want something, don’t take advice on how to get it from someone who doesn’t have it.” Simple logic when you think about.
Men who can’t get laid can’t give you any useful information. Its not necessarily on purpose, they just don’t know better.
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