A bunch of people have lodged complaints about the direction of the site as of late. The rather, erm, race-y content of the last week has lead some otherwise sensible people to believe that In Mala Fide has become a white nationalist blog. For example, Novaseeker writes:
This place is now a WN blog. Sad, really.
Nuh-uh, not on my watch. The day this place falls into a predictable rut is the day I pull the plug. And to dissuade people who will try the “if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck” line on me, I will now proceed to bring balance to the Force by pissing on the hopes and dreams of every white nationalist who reads this site.
“Preposterous!” you say. “You can’t piss on the hopes and dreams of people who support you! It’s completely unreasonable!” Well, that’s the whole point. I’m not a reasonable person, and In Mala Fide is not supposed to be a reasonable website. After watching The Spearhead’s comment section degenerate into a sanctimonious pity party of losers crying about how the wimmenz did them wrong, I’m not about to let my own blog end up the same way, only with Jews and blacks substituted for women.* So fuck you, I won’t do what you tell me.
Here’s a little wake-up call for the White is Right crowd – you’re doomed. Screwed. Fucked like a nine-year old boy in a Pashtun village. As much as I’d love to be a white nationalist, and despite the sympathy I feel for them and the hatred I feel for the lying anti-white multiculturalists, and as much as I recognize your legitimacy in the face of every other minority nationalism promoted by suicidal liberals, the facts and numbers simply aren’t on your side. Your vision of Whitopia has less chance of happening than a revival of the Holy Roman Empire, because you’ve left one crucial element out of your planning:
White people.
That’s right. The reason why the beauty of the white Aryan woman may perish from the earth before this century is up is not because of the Jews, or the blacks, but because of white people themselves. It was whites who let third-worlders swarm into their lands, forever altering the demographic makeup of their nations. It was whites who gutted protections for workers and transformed the economy into a scam designed to bleed the middle-class dry and make the richer even richer. It was whites who conjured up feminism, driving a wedge between men and women, driving down the birth rate and leaving immigrants and illegals to pick up the slack. Every problem whites suffer from is self-inflicted.
I laugh every time some joker complains about “miscegenation.” Interracial marriage rates in the U.S. are so low they’re practically nonexistent. According to the Census Bureau (Table FG4), the largest group of interracial marriages, between white men and Asian women, accounts for a grand total of 530,000 marriages. In a country of 300 million people, that amounts to a drop in the bucket. The white race isn’t going extinct because Sally the Seacow is shacking up with Tyrone the Thug, or because Ned the Nerd is getting his two-inch knob polished by Lin Ming Chung – it’s going extinct because whites aren’t marrying and having kids, period.
And if you think the Ice People will put aside their differences to unite against the Sun People and other assorted wogs, you’re dreaming. Familiarity breeds contempt, and whites hate each other way, way more than they’ve ever hated any minorities. It’s been like this ever since the fall of Troy, nevermind the protestations of Nordicists and other pan-European ideologues to the contrary. People who love to wax dramatic about tribalism seem to forget that the strongest tribal hatreds are between peoples in geographic proximity – meaning that different tribes of whites, blacks, browns and yellows hate each other FAR more than they hate the “others.” The Quebecois want out of Canada, the Scots want out of Britain, the Flemish want out of Belgium – need I go on? I have nothing in common with Germans, Greeks or Australians aside from skin color, so why should I care about them? Even in America, the spooks and spics are just pawns in the long-standing war between whites. If the average Vermonter was given a button that would kill everyone who voted Republican, he’d jam his fist onto it until every bone in his hand was smashed to bits. And the average Southerner would eagerly see all the “Yankees” and liberals gassed with Zyklon-B long before he’d get around to the wetbacks and negroes. If you’re expecting these people to overcome centuries worth of hatred in pan-racial unity, you’re insane.
“But but but it was the Joooooooos! The Jews are the ones who’ve destroyed the white race, and everyone knows the Jews aren’t white! Durrrrrr…”
First off, the only people who claim Jews aren’t white are you folks, but let’s take your thesis at face value – the Jews are the cause of all our woes. But guess what? Even if they are, it’s STILL your fault! Why? Because last I checked, the Jooooooos didn’t forcibly send armies to capture our cities, destroy our governments and enslave us. Whites were the ones who LET Jews settle in their countries and gave them equal rights, allowing them to ascend to the highest rungs of politics, education and finance. Ever wonder why Jews were few and far between in European history prior to the 19th century? It’s because they had zero rights and were forcibly segregated from gentile society, like the Gypsies. When revolutionary France emanicipated its Jews in 1791, that opened the floodgates. So whining about the Joooooos doesn’t let you off the hook, whitey.
And speaking of demographics, have you looked at the racial makeup of the young lately? It’s pretty brown, and getting browner with each passing year. California, Arizona, Texas and other border states will have Latino majorities before the century is half-up, and there’s not a damn thing you can do about it. While you’re at it, take a look at which countries have the highest fertility rates. Hint – they’re all in Africa or Latin America. Whites have lost the demographic war – the only question now is how much we will lose.
“But but but those birth rates are sustained by Western aid! All we have to do is stop giving them money and the problem’ll be solved! Herp derp!”
Do you fools have any idea what a mass dieoff scenario would actually look like? Starving poor people don’t stay where they are to lie down and die, they migrate to where the food and money are – and the food and money are in the West. It’s already happening in the Mediterranean. Libyans fleeing their civil war are streaming en masse into Malta and Italy, straining those countries’ border patrols and coast guards. That’s what the entire West will look like if your wet dreams of mass starvation come to fruition.
“But but but we can just shoot them! With, like, guns! That’ll teach them to stay away! Hurrrrr…”
Leaving aside the fact that there are more of them then there are of you, and in a starvation scenario they’d have nothing to lose and wouldn’t care so much about getting killed, the will to mass execute people doesn’t exist anymore. This is 2011. Any idiot with a smartphone can record soldiers firing on unarmed refugees and put it on YouTube, and the minute it hits the interwebs, support for your position will evaporate overnight. I hate to inform you, but most people nowadays aren’t genocidal lunatics who get off on defenseless refugees getting their heads blown off. In fact, they tend to be repulsed by that sort of thing, and will ostracize anyone who supports it. And did I mention that at least half of the political establishment, at the most conservative estimate, will support letting the foreigners into the country?
Nope. You folks better pray to God a dieoff scenario doesn’t happen, because you’re looking at The Camp of the Saints if it does. Hope you’ve been practicing your Xhosa and Spanish!
“But but but whites are so much smarter and better than everyone else! Without us, the world will collapse! Herp derpa durrrrr…”
Newsflash – every single empire has said the EXACT SAME THING about themselves. The Athenians said it, the Romans said it, the British said it. And when all of those empires crumbled to dust, the world just kept on ticking. Oh sure, there may have been some bumps in the road, but life still went on, if our advanced technology and luxurious lives (compared to our forerunners) is any evidence. Whites are not as irreplaceable as you think they are, and your hubris is amazing if you think you can defy the fates of those who came before.
I’m a loud and proud proponent of human biological diversity research,** but the hard determinist line pushed by many hereditarians doesn’t explain why Italy, the heir of the Roman Empire and its technological and cultural legacy, has been a backwards basketcase since the year 476. Or why the Germans and Scandinavians, so lovingly praised as supermen by the Nordicists, were illiterate barbarians shitting in bushes and dancing naked around campfires during the same time those dirty filthy wops in Athens and Rome were inventing civilization. Or why England, whose flag once flew on a fifth of the world’s landmass, is now an American vassal:
No Limeys, I will never tire of this picture.
So cite all the statistics you want – civilizations wax and wane and history is still against you.
So, there you go. White nationalism is multiculturalism for the melanin-deprived, obsessed with blaming everyone except those actually responsible for the white race’s predicaments, and doomed because of an adverse demographic profile. Short of a massive re-write of the battle plans, it’s going to end up like Pan-Arabism, another racial ideology that bombed because “Arabs” from Morocco to Qatar had jack all in common and wanted nothing to do with each other. And far too many of you are spiteful jerks who are more obsessed with hating non-whites and nurturing your Turner Diaries fantasies than loving your own people and actually trying to help them. The only thing separating you from The Spearhead’s circle-jerking misogynist whiner contingent is the targets of your opprobrium, and In Mala Fide is a Circle-Jerk Free Zone.
The present paradigm will fall, but white nationalism will not replace it, though it will have a role in its collapse. This isn’t some contrarian hipster pose – I’ve been saying much of this for a year now and I stand by every word. My language may be harsh, but in extreme situations, harsh fucking measures are required. And it doesn’t really please me to point all of this out, but my first loyalty is to the truth, not ideology.
By the way, I think miscegenation is just fine, and in Ferd World, it would be neither encouraged nor discouraged. These are attractive women by any objective measure (link NSFW). Every white guy who won’t shut up about the supposed “unattractiveness” of black women (you know who you are) probably has an entire hard drive full of ebony porn. Talkers aren’t doers.
Now GET OFF MY BLOG!
Stay tuned for further installments in this series, “Why Your Ideology is Stupid,” lambasting MRAs, PUAs, Austrian economists and other alt-right cliques, which will be published as soon as they irritate me enough to vent about them.
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* – To those who will cry for my Man Card to be revoked after saying this, consider that I was one of The Spearhead’s founders, along with W.F. Price, Novaseeker, Elusive Wapiti, and Whiskey. I was there before virtually ALL of you, so I outrank you, and thus I get to talk shit about the Loser Brigade with impunity.
** – I hesitate to call myself an HBD “believer,” because belief is reserved for the realm of the supernatural and paranormal. One of the worst things the creationists have done to public discourse is reducing science to the level of “belief.” Science is about facts – either something is true or it isn’t, and what you “believe” is irrelevant. Not believing in gravity or physics doesn’t make them go away. You may not believe in HBD, but HBD sure believes in you.
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I have never understood how those who talk about pan-white unity can be ignorant about 2,500 years of documented wars, genocides and rivalries between various ‘white’ groups.
i think i’m going to bookmark this and reference it always. (out of the mouth of someone who’s an interracial relationship with a jew.)
i also think what’s largely ignored is that ethnic diversity is fine as long as there’s cultural hegemony. immigration and globalism has majorly decreased nationalistic movements. in fact, what’s happening with islam right now – as many scholars, including bernard lewis – have claimed, is that it’s evidence of one last backlash before they eventually have to relinquish to modernity.
16.2% of canada’s population now consists of visible minorities. and almost 4% of ALL married or common-law couples are now interracial, and it’s quickly rising. (it rose 33% since 2001.) in urban areas, that number is obviously much higher. if anyone benefits from this it’s white people, since it implicates a level of cultural integration as it is.
You seem to be conflating (the more antagonistic side of) WNism with HBD and racial consciousness. Big difference.
I suspect most of your “race-readers” are HBDers from sites like mine, Mangan’s, Sailer, and HalfSigma. So most of this commentary doesn’t even apply to them. And even more hardcore guys like Pat Hannagan don’t strike me as the “hater” types.
As for the history of intra-race wars – well that’s just who was closest. Are you honestly going to argue that the French and Germans won’t get along as well as the French and Zimbabweans?! Seriously?
Race alliance didn’t even work on Survivor.
The main reason whites are going down is because they bloody don’t learn non-white languages. That includes YOU, the “It’s Teh Jooos” crowd. Learn Hebrew, or be f*cked.
If you want whites to be united, promote Esperanto, or Volapük.
Esperanto, or Arabic.
Esperanto, or Chinese.
Esperanto, or Nahuatl.
BS Ferd. In Mala Fide is *your* personal exercise in self-deceptive masturbation. It’s just a circle-jerk of which you approve.
You’ve left the Yellow Master Race out of your rant, but then you’re pretty ignorant even when you try, and this effort looks like something you squeezed out without much thought.
The day I agree 100% with a post I read on IMF is the day I know I’ve drunk the Kool-Aid, but that one hit the high 90s. I was becoming a little worried about IMF becoming an arm of Stormfront for a while there.
There is a conversation about race that absolutely needs to be had, but it needs to be along the lines of culture and class, which can be altered far more easily than genetics. Or, watch The Boondocks.
Btw, Kievsky’s piece on planned obsolescence was excellent.
Ha ha! Great post!
Ferd, you’re a successful troll, so I award you with an image:
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/07/successful-troll-is-successful.jpg
But get real. This isn’t your blog. This blog is funded by your panhandling, and you cringe and whine to suck up to the folks who lodge complaints.
This isn’t *your* blog – it belongs to the people who donate money. You’re just passing the hat. You’re an employee. You’re working for the people from whom you beg.
Hey, AD, what’s your beef with Half Sigma? He’s hardly in the same category as Mangan or even OneSTDV. He has contempt for many of the white people he writes about (be they SWPLs or proles).
Is it that because of that time when he posted complaints from angry white guys who claimed that Indians had lowered the status of the IT profession?
Ferd, you’re a successful troll
What does that make you, then?
Boy, at the first sight of conflict, OneSTDV couldn’t wait to throw everybody whose White Advocacy amounts to more than merely parroting statistics under the bus!
“Don’t be mean to us, Ferd! We’re merely conscious of differences but totally cool with social, political, and physical dispossession!” *pushes glasses up on nose*
I defy Ferd to point out where I suggested that people other than other White people are the true enemies of my people. Our problem isn’t the Jews or the Blacks. The problem with the White race is OneSTDV and his millions of clones. He vividly knows the score, yet would rather throw a cracker under the anti-White bus than stand and be counted as being for preserving himself and his way of life.
As for the rest of this essay, it’s little more than a prediction that White Americans won’t develop a shared identity and act on that identity. It’s a challenge, asserting not that it should not be done, but that it can’t be done. The only way I can definitively win that argument is with results. I believe Ferd’s wrong, that there’s a second wind in the founding stock of this great nation.
Time will tell.
The biggest problem with the “save the white race crowd” is that they don’t understand is that their biggest problem is not so much white people in general, but white women, specifically. The vast overwhelming majority of white women have absolutely no interest oncesover in ‘having babies to save the white race.’ They just don’t. I read The Coming Population Crash by Fred Pierce some time ago and in that book Pierce quoted one woman from a European country with below replacement level fertility, she said something to the effect of ‘she didn’t care to have any kids, didn’t care about saving the white race, and that white men have no one to blame but themselves for this.’
If the WN really cared about saving the white race they should try exporting feminism to other countries where the women are still consistently having babies they don’t want and the birth rate is in the range of 5 or 6 children. When women have options, they tend not to want a boatload of children. Give poor women of color birth control, basic healthcare that will help them keep the 2 or 3 children they want alive until adulthood, and some education and then–voila!–you will get a dramatically decreased birth rate.
I’m glad you wrote about this Ferdinand. I was at the point where I was going to write you asking if I could whip up a post telling the WN what their real problem was, but you pretty much nailed it here.
fern is back with a vengence.Good post
There was a saying in the 60′s. “It’s easier to tear down than to build.”
It is very easy to criticize. It’s hard to make something that works.
Does anybody else find it funny that its the white people who are lobbing shit at each other over this post?
Yellow supremacist, you tempt me to donate 1000 with instructions to stay the course.
Ugh, posting to correct my phone’s cache.
You want White women to have more babies- LOWER THE C-SECTION RATE.
Repeat cesarean sections are EXTREMELY dangerous.
Well, well. FB
Seems your site is full of intellectual amateurs.
You forgot to mention that if WN’s really cared about whites why do they roll around in such pop culture, blood and soil nonsense, instead of incorporating the more obvious gems of European high culture, e.g classical music, ancient philosophy, classical fine art. Most are just prole meat-heads.
Yes!
I can’t think anything more than that. I’m just completely overwhelmed by the truthiness of that article.
This white civilisation accomplished some pretty great things, but its clearly in decline. Bad smelling stuff is cooking in europe. There is a whole immigrant population that doesn’t respect our civilisation, and that is so because we are pussies to them. They do whatever they want, nobody put em in place. Stupid political correctnes, stupid women voting left and most of all stupid men trying to be so much more civilised than everyone else by being a pussy.
AD:
Magical thinking.
Sofia:
Not happening. Nationalism needs to come back in a big way if the world is going to be healed. But if the only thing holding your “nationalism” together is wishful thinking and hatred of the “other,” it’s not going to last. See: Third Reich.
One:
Old hatreds die very, very hard. Throughout most of Western history, non-whites were just pawns in inter-white wars of status and glory, in the form of slavery and colonialism. Anyone who thinks sixty years of peace and brotherhood can overcome this mindset, entrenched for centuries, is drinking the crazy juice.
Matt:
A new shared identity for white Americans will have to be based on more than whiteness. It will have to incorporate geographical proximity, a shared history, and common values, among other things. The gulf between SWPLs and Middle Americans, for instance, is never going to be bridged.
Ferd,
I make this point in my self-published book, which is available as a free e-book at my website. This is about tribalism, not racialism. It’s just that my ethnic tribe happens to be a White one. I can be allies with other White ethnic groups who share a similar struggle. But they’re not my comrades. For that matter, I can be allied with non-Whites who are working toward a world within which every viable tribe has a sovereign homeland, however small.
Are we a viable tribe? We once were. I think we can be so, again. It will certainly be built on more than mere genetics. As for SWPLs, we’re working on a way to make White Advocacy ironically hip. Once we pull that off, victory is ours.
Nullpointer,
I will be very mad and have a foaming fit of envy if you donate 1000 dollars to Ferdinand. I will feel like a horrible loser because I cannot donate even a fraction of that. My dick will shrivel up to nothing; I will be on the verge of suicide. Please, please don’t donate 1000 to this site, I beg you, if you will but leave me a shred of dignity. If you donate 1000 to this site, I will know for sure that I am a hopeless loser, and if I kill myself, IT WILL BE YOUR FAULT!
This article has a point in that we have not achieved anything in our march to White solidarity. But I am confident that this can happen. Just because I am still alive does not mean I am immortal. Just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it never will.
Also, I can explain White individualism and lack of racial solidarity. It is because everyone is “fat and happy” with the modern oil age pushbutton automatic society. There’s still plenty of grease to lubricate the racial ass raping we are getting. Let’s see how much longer this abundance of grease lasts.
But of course I will lose all hope if Nullpointer donates 1000 to this site, I will curl up in a fetal position and cry.
And here I thought that “inflamatory post that will leave a bunch of butthurt” was exagerated.
The big enemies of White Nationalists are American Blacks and Mexicans. When the former is ALSO a US breed and the latter is a country that depends on money sended from the US as the majority of their GDP (oh, and that they are a neighbouring country), well, is easy to see that most of it is self-inflicted.
Oh, and the Joooos, who were invited by the US with open arms. Also, self-inflicted (and that are, by large, SWPL elites).
Conflict between people of the same race is old as the time itself. Middle East tribes killing each other, the Three Kingdoms period in China, the Peru vs. Chile conflicts, etc.
There are many fallacies,straw men, and bad faith arguments in your post, Ferdinand, but since you’ve stated you’re not reasonable and I see your will is set I guess there is no point arguing them, and I will honor your wish:
“Now GET OFF MY BLOG!”
I guess my fallacy was coming here in bona fide. I know, I know – good riddance, right?
On miscegenation:
White people are not going to extinct because of lessening birth rates any more than Japanese are going to go extinct because of lessening birth rates. Which is to say, maybe they will, but its a long time coming, and maybe the selective advantages of high breeders within their population will eventually cause a rebound.
(And if the Japs and Chinks do go extinct, then maybe at least they stand a chance of being replaced by vast, cool, not wholly unsympathetic robotic intellects descended from them, who they can respect, which [unless you're some kind of speciesist] is blatantly better than being replaced by a population of Blacks who preserve, at best, a kind of clownish parody of how they live in an Idiocratic (Mike Judge sense) descendent of their civilization.)
OTOH, Whites will cease to exist both as a population and as the population they are, in time, if gene flow is permitted. There’s no maybe about it – they simply won’t be Whites, even if some people do happen to still exist and they do happen to be sort of descended from Whites. (Although of course, some change and then complete eventual change, even without any gene flow, is an inevitable evolutionary fact).
Make of that what you will.
“Leaving aside the fact that there are more of them then there are of you”
There always have been, and it has never mattered – organisation is what matters. This isn’t the world of human wave attacks. They wouldn’t keep coming – they’d stay and fight amongst themselves for scarce resources.
goldenfetus:
I see the usual suspects have failed to recognize my hyperbole, again. What’s the point of trying to be funny when half of the audience doesn’t get the joke?
White Nationalism is on the decline. HBD race realism is taking its place. I think the two are very different, and I think Ferd is improperly lumping them together here.
I must say I generally agree with the article. There was a time when I was very sympathetic to the WN cause, but I came years ago to these same conclusions.
Now I have caught a vision filled with grandeur: to see the world plunged into an eternal abyss of fire, darkness, and blood.
lol…as evidenced and illustrated by the contents of your article.
Nationalism needs to come back in a big way if the world is going to be healed.
what kind of nationalism? there is fewer such examples of nationalism by the day now that capitalism has annexed culture. in order for nationalism to “come back”, capitalism needs to die and that isn’t going to happen. immigration hasn’t only been happening to the west (north america and europe). what about instances like vietnamese displaced in china who have an amalgamation of vietnames and chinese sentiments? you’ve cited that miscegenation is limited and a minor occurrence, but what about products of that phenomenon? (and what about the fact that interracial marriages in canada has gone up a third in a decade (and rising at a more rapid rate?) moreover, there are way too many second, third and fourth generations who if they were to have national interests, it would be conflicting and too numbered to be cohesive.
globalism has already taken hold and there’s no hope of reclaiming nationalism. it’s an archaic concept. but as i said previously, cultural homogeneity within a state is necessary to sustain a country, but that’s way different from reviving a long-gone and irrelevant nationalist sentiment. culture is becoming an increasingly unified entity anyway, thanks to capitalism and globalization, which solves most of the problems that having nationalism would solve.
You’ve got me on that one, I did miss the humor and hyperbole. Though I don’t your arguments were sound, I’m clearly in the minority, and I think we all agree there is no point trying to talk to people who don’t want you around. I had always assumed you were directing
at the dystopia out there, not at your readers.
I always saw FB’s stance on WN as reducible to a tough-lovish “come on guys, get better at PR already for fuck’s sake.” This is not dissimilar from Moldbug’s axiom that succesfull social change is dependent on the support of the elite or an ascendant faction thereof.
FB,
The illogical stupidity of White Nationalists can be illustrated in the following hypothetical example:
Suppose Jack Jackson married two women: one white and one black. John is the son of the white woman. Will is the son of the black woman. Will and John are brothers, and consequently they belong to the same tirbe/race (except that Will is darker tham John). However, according to White Nationalists John and Will belong to different races just because they have different colors.
I’m with with OneSTDV and Chuck on this.
Matt Parrott: I don’t agree that OneSTDV is throwing anyone under the bus. Ferd’s piece was ostensibly motivated by what has been published and commented upon at this site. And that material consists mostly of back-and-forth between HBD nerds, not WN soldiers. To point this out, i.e. that Ferd is mischaracterizing the nature of those who are writing about race here, is entirely fair and merely asking for accuracy. It also raises the question of who exactly Ferd is addressing in the piece. In that sense, this article was another Mad Max exercise.
Nestorius,
Wouldn’t they be half-brothers, kind of like Daryl and my other brother Daryl?
There is more to racial differences than skin tone. Haven’t you noticed that African-Americans have different hair, broader nasal indexes, thicker lips, narrower hips, to name a few of many, many differences?
FB,
“Nationalism needs to come back in a big way if the world is going to be healed.”
Do you mean tribal solidarity instead of nationalism?
Nationalism is different from tribal solidarity, it is a German/French stupid creation dating to the 18th century.
On the other hand, tribal solidarity is inherent in human nature and is also found in other animals.
Multiculturalism and feminism are opposed to tribal solidarity, hence opposed to human nature. That’s why we are seeing their unnatural consequences among whites.
Forget whether it’s desirable or not, I’ve never believed in White Nationalism because I did the math and an actual “ethnostate” seems impossible to me at this time, the reasons for that pointed out in your article.
Last year Hunter Wallace at Occidental Dissent thoroughly dismantled WN and the “vanguard” piece by piece. Their approach has been an outright failure for decades, an approach that a vast majority of whites, even if they do have pro-white sentiments, would never want to be a part of.
Kievsky,
Half-brothers or not, they still belong to the same family/tribe/race.
“Starving poor people don’t stay where they are to lie down and die, they migrate to where the food and money are – and the food and money are in the West.”
They can’t migrate to the West unless we allow them to.
“Leaving aside the fact that there are more of them then there are of you, and in a starvation scenario they’d have nothing to lose and wouldn’t care so much about getting killed, the will to mass execute people doesn’t exist anymore.”
Third world refugees cannot defeat a first world military.
“These are attractive women by any objective measure (link NSFW).”
Your opinion is not an objective measure, and nobody is under any obligation to be attracted to the same women you are.
Sofia:
Captalism has passed its apogee and is on its way out, because the life choices that prop it up (working hard at a single job, having a family etc.) are basically maladaptive thanks to Calvinist scams, feminism and multiculturalism. I was making this point with the “Generation Zero” series. America is the last holdout of laissez-faire Calvinist capitalism, and the financial crisis and the government’s tepid response are exposing its inadequacies. You live in Canada, a country with free healthcare and a university system that DOESN’T place ripping off students as its number one priority, among other things – i.e. the social contract is still functioning to a degree that is absent in the U.S. THAT is the future – a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, with cohesive cultures emerging from combinations and recombinations.
A third from what? Zero? It’s like the joke from Family Guy:
Until interracial marriage reaches something on the level of twenty-thirty percent of the married population, there’s little to worry about.
Nestorius:
“Nationalism” is my short-hand for “tribalism,” so yeah.
lol:
So, how’re those wars in Afghanistan and Iraq going?
The situation is as follows: we’re fucked and the only way out of it is to grow a fast, strong, quasi-fanatical force. Think of it as Constantines Last Stand in Byzantium. We are surrounded and have nowhere to hide. There is no sense in being fair anymore, in playing by ANY rules. Soon a psycho will arise and seize control of the minoritarian whites.
The above written is what I fear most.
But hey, why not have fun while all this happens. Or some ultra-violence. Or some other meaningless word that describes our pleasure.
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Sofia, interracial marriages: good looking and generally light-skinned issue of said marriages get absorbed into white. Ugly and/or dark-skinned ones get absorbed into blacks
Chuck,
On further reflection, you’re right. Neither you nor OneSTDV belong under the bus.
For the life of me, I don’t see what the point of HBD/Realism is if you explicitly disavow taking the natural and sensible steps necessary to preserve our biodiversity.
I mean, I guess it’s better to be correct than to be incorrect. But since the data shows that politics become tribal after a certain tipping point, there’s really no public policy utility in it or point to it. Sure, we can definitively show through the Bell Curve, through Real Education, through decades of trial and error, that you can’t close the “racial gap” through pursuing our current policies. But our current policies are about tribal wealth redistribution, not logic. Right?
Isn’t HBD without WN sort of like tapping your wife’s phone to find out if she’s cheating, then listening to the tapes of her cheating on you over and over again?
See, this is why the new model for IMF is going to work in the long run.
Mr. Bardamu has enough of a command of the English language as well as his audience to enforce a system of checks and balances when the topic of discussion gets too centralized. Simultaneously, he does not impede the chaotic inflow of new ideas by doing so.
It is in the execution that success or failure is determined. I have been skeptical of the transition for a while now, but the tone of this piece assures me that the philosophy that this site was founded on can work in practice as well as theory.
And, as usual, the content in the piece is commendable FB
As for the rest of this essay, it’s little more than a prediction that White Americans won’t develop a shared identity and act on that identity…
True. Now if white people became a plurality, that may change things.
You live in Canada, a country with free healthcare and a university system that DOESN’T place ripping off students as its number one priority, among other things – i.e. the social contract is still functioning to a degree that is absent in the U.S. THAT is the future – a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, with cohesive cultures emerging from combinations and recombinations.
This was a fascinating post. I live in Vancouver and Sofia lives in Toronto, and you Ferd have just asserted that the future of the USA will resemble Canada. This is truly astonishing to hear an AMERICAN say that. I’m 41, and I still remember when Americans spoke about all the stuff they wanted to buy – boats, motorcycles, etc etc. Now you’re saying the future lies in a single payer health care system. Astonishing. If you guys ever accept a single payer, universal health care system, I’ll buy a bottle of Jamesons and get hammered on the spot.
To me, the perfect comparison for white nationalism is the environmental movement.
The environmental movement began in 1955 with Carson’s “Silent Spring.” The chemistry and biology of it have been there right fromthe begining. The scientists make advances. They are way out on the fringe. They are laughed at, refuted, “the solution to pollution is dilution.” Solar cells, wind power, tidal, geothermal, desertification, sustainability all known by the 60′s and 70′s.
Finally, it starts becoming popular with reduce-reuse-recycle and Captain Planet on TV. Al Gore joins in. Kyoto Treaty. And now its 2011. So where are we?
None of the catastrophes have come true yet. No dramatic global warming or cooling, yet. No peak oil. No malthusian catastrophe. Just beginning to see resource wars. Sure, we’ll do something if its convinient. I include myself. But until it’s absolutely necessary, there won’t be any real change. So it is with WN.
“So, how’re those wars in Afghanistan and Iraq going?”
Why are you trying to change the subject? They have nothing at all to do with a scenario where the military repels a refugee invasion.
The readers are part of the dystopia, and we all get crapped on evenly. I am just cheering that the WN get crapped on like the rest of us, as I was starting to feel unfairly maligned. I’m all for equal-opportunity crapping.
I suppose that, by coming here, we’re all declaring ourselves to be masochists.
WN is at odds with patriarchy, of course. Patriarchy would say that the father determines the tribe (patrilineality), whilst WN say that the mother determines the tribe (matrilineality), except if the mother is white. That is why they always emphasize that only a white woman can have white children, and pedestalization/feminism is therefore rampant in their ranks. It’s an intellectual bend that they recover by denouncing miscegenation as a whole.
Isn’t HBD without WN sort of like tapping your wife’s phone to find out if she’s cheating, then listening to the tapes of her cheating on you over and over again?
LOL. That’s the same impression I have. It’s like WN for people too nerdy to fight for what they believe in. They just hide behind “science” and “data” in frustration. At least WN is a cause. HBD is just a hobby.
Can you prove this? Or cite celebrity examples? I’m not saying you’re wrong, but it seems like a strange thing to declare so authoritatively. I’ve seen plenty of pretty, light skinned people marry black and I’ve seen ugly, dark skinned people marry white.
For the life of me, I don’t see what the point of HBD/Realism is if you explicitly disavow taking the natural and sensible steps necessary to preserve our biodiversity.
Er, scientific curiosity? Tatu Vanhanen comes from a country with essentially no “diversity” problems. Why do you think he’s into HBD? Same with somebody like me or the Water Engineer.
Also, HBD can inform purely personal decisions. Where should I buy a house? What country should I invest in? Etc.
But this is really just a strawman you’ve erected. I believe most HBDers do “care” about whites and don’t want them to disappear, but they’re just a lot mellower about it. WNs really have a hard time wrapping their head around that. They see that mellow, Steve Sailer/Roissy “aloof alpha” attitude towards things and it registers to them as “THOSE RACE TRAITORS JUST DON’T CARE!”.
William T. Sherman would win it over there. I don’t like the way we are attempting to run a politically correct watered down war.
That was the most entertaining and informative smackdown I’ve read in while!
Even though I’m a Game and Austrian School advocate, I look forward to that. Dancing around issues isn’t your style Ferd and that’s why IMF has a following.
FB: You live in Canada, a country with free healthcare and a university system that DOESN’T place ripping off students as its number one priority, among other things – i.e. the social contract is still functioning to a degree that is absent in the U.S. THAT is the future – a hybrid of capitalism and socialism, with cohesive cultures emerging from combinations and recombinations.
Huh?
Our education system is as feminized as yours. Boys becoming feminized and ‘sensitive’. Environmentalism is Canada’s official religion. Our healthcare system is a bloated, inefficient mass that was declared unconstitutional a few years back (thus allowing private health clinics to be set up). Our culture is bland and passive and basically sucks up to the PC, liberal SWPL crowd. Our politicians are meek and cowardly. There are entire urban swaths of non-whites that will become their own cities in another twenty years.
This is the model you aspire to? Sweden but with longer highways?
And as for The Spearhead, why take shots at a site that likely gave you an early voice and encouragement?
You seem like someone who sees the encroaching waves and try to push everyone else off your little pathetic piece of territory so that you can remain King of All.
I used to smoke.
I knew it was bad for me, but anti smoking advocates were just such fucking banal tools that every time they got a victory it made me want to blow smoke in their babies’ faces. I feel kinda like that about the self righteous prices who are proud of being anti “racists.” Not exactly. But kinda.
I like WNs better than I like the people against them.
And I’d rather support the guy who stands up for something that has a slim chance of success than the guy who changes his views to suit what’s popular.
Tim:
Don’t get too full of yourselves. Canada has its own problems – multiculturalism, immigration, an absence of anything resembling culture, and of course the big, throbbing zit of Quebec. But if given the choice between being poor in America or poor in Canada, I’d be poor in Canada.
lol:
If the most powerful military in the world can’t subdue a bunch of 10th century primitives who are fighting them with IEDs, what makes you think they can stop a massed invasion. Or that public opinion will let them fire on defenseless, desperate refugees?
Lovekraft:
Of course. I was referring to the student loan scam in the states.
It gets better results then the American system. Canadians live longer and are in better health than Americans because they don’t have to worry about going broke paying for medical care.
Sweden crossed with Franco’s Spain.
The site is fine, the articles are great, and W.F. Price is doing God’s work. But a lot of the commenters make me want to puke. I’m not the only guy who feels this way.
I’m the lizard king. I can do anything.
@Kievsky
No worries, we need you around to advocate mind-weaponry. Also, my fiancée would flip-a-shit. We save 60% of our income and she still thinks our savings rate is too low.
Blacks have narrower hips and broader nasal indexes? Crap… now I’m really confused. How will I ever figure out what tribe to identify with? Blacks think I’m too white and white (nationalists?) think I’m too black. I guess I still have Caucasian non-Mexican Hispanic.
@Ferd
I eagerly await the smack down of Austrian economics.
But if given the choice between being poor in America or poor in Canada, I’d be poor in Canada.
Ok. I think I have a good read on you, Ferd. Urbane, well-read, knowledgable, worldly. To be poor in the USA is to be truly fucked, this is the truth.
Lovecraft…uh, you lost me dude. Canada is nowhere near the problems of a European failed state. You made it sound like we are some kind of Romania. Our currency is on par with the greenback. Life expectancy and quality of life is amongst the highest in the world. When an American says we have “no culture”, what he really means is we have no military hardware, tanks, rockets, and weapons. Big deal. Twist up a doobie and enjoy your life. Education is feminized…but it’s feminized everywhere, even in the USA. You think if i go to the University of Washington, it will be a masculine experience.
Seriously Lovecraft, you need to get the hell out of the Golden Horseshoe and move out west. B.C. is God’s country. We had no snow this winter except up in the mountains and the flowers are already in bloom.
Ferd,
Having worked with an enormous collection of mostly defective and degenerate white expats, male and female, (With some honorable exceptions), I cannot disagree wholeheartedly with your post.
However, I suggest your study of National Socialism has been superficial. It is difficult to maintain the the N.S.D.A.P. was a racist movement after watching these videos:
Freies Arabien Tribute
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QeiQh2SjQ4
TRIBUTE FOR ALL OF ADOLF HITLER’S MUSLIM SS & WEHRMACHT LEGIONS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=
I bet you did not know that Negro soldiers served in the German Army.
Nice post. True, even if nothing original.
In deep soul, we know it is so as you write.
Anyway “Or that public opinion will let them fire on defenseless, desperate refugees?” LOL cut the crap. White idiots are so anti violence because they are flaccid rich full of hamburgers.
Just wait when no more hamburgers and no more internet porn and we see how much humanity display against 3rd world criminals^Wimmigrants. The nice guy in that picture at top of this article did something I think. Eh I guess modern ovens can burn cell phones with their recorded Youtube videos.
Alte:
Very true. According to WN, when white women do stupid or evil things, they are brainwashed by Jews, when brown or black men do stupid or evil things, it is because they are brown/black…
WN are either openly feminist, like Stormfront, or they bitch and whine, like VNN,(while bitching and whining isn’t sexy!) but in the end support pedestalization.
@ Matt Parrot:
Obviously we differ in regards to what I would call tribalism, but if you read my site you know that I couch my racial conservatism in far more than “just parroting statistics.” Here’s my criticism of economic reductionism:
http://onestdv.blogspot.com/2011/02/ron-paul-despondency-and-failure-of.html
My basic opinion: I don’t understand racial or ethnic tribalism/nepotism, but I do believe in race differences (obviously) and that a nation’s culture is inexplicably linked to its majority demographic. Further, racial and ethnic groups have the moral right to define their own nations in order to preserve their culture and their traditional way of life. And of course, I apply this to every racial and ethnic group, including American whites, Israeli Jews, Germans, and the Japanese.
[I know you qualified what you said earlier, but I wanted to defend myself anyway.]
OneSTDV,
Pardon me if I’m splitting hairs, but are you asserting that Whites have a moral right to Nationalism while personally choosing not to exercise that right?
Yes. Universal particularism. Pan-nationalism. I believe the world’s plenty big enough to afford every viable tribe the right to self-determination.
@ Tim: I hear you, dude. B.C. is pretty nice, but it is still a pretty left-leaning province with major Asian/Hindu enclaves. LIke Ferd’s article says, you are enjoying yourselves on borrowed time. Here in Ontario is likely where the story begins and ends, so I am staying put. I always thought B.C. whites fit the SWPL mode to a “T”, with the mountains closing them off from the ROC.
Ferd: I have to defend the Spearhead, despite what you and some other minor blogger has to say on the matter. The Mens Rights Movement is still in its infancy and has attracted many followers (and opponents) since The Spearhead came out about 14 months ago, if my memory serves. Not only has it provided a welcome source of comraderie and encouragement in an overwhelmingly anti-male culture, but has been a sort of base camp from which followers can engage in other pursuits. So what if the comments and articles seem navel-gazing sometimes? Working with feminists, seeing feminism in our culture and families makes The Spearhead all that more important to a lot of us.
The Spearhead will evolve, that is my prediction. I prefer it become much more refined and proactive, but members also have jobs, debt, families etc. This takes time, but the spark will come soon. Just as your followers happily forked over their hard-earned cash, guys like me also do that on other sites and for other causes, and when word gets out to some enterprising individual that there is a living to be made in advancing Mens Rights, the results could be a movement quite unlike the one you describe it as today.
“Or that public opinion will let them fire on defenseless, desperate refugees?”
Ferd, you’re joking, right? The public is fine with drones blowing up wedding parties in Pakistan and stealth bombers shredding children in Iraq.
When the elites sanction something, it’s simply “unfortunate” and “tragic,” and it continues moving forward.
At first read of this article, I was thinking “what, more white male bashing? Don’t I get enough of this in everyday life?”
But then I thought: Ferdinand is an extremely intelligent and insightful man and his many past posts have proven this without a doubt. So, unless his site devolves into some sort of ‘niche’, I will follow him and see where this goes.
Sure, my reaction was one of defensiveness, but realize that the learning one engages in doesn’t always fit one’s neat expectations.
No matter how many times true WNs are told in a million different ways that their approach is shit, many of them don’t listen. The only WN blog I used to read, as I mentioned before, is Occidental Dissent, for one because Matt Parrott and Kievsky used to post articles there and they seem like reasonable human beings. WNs who don’t rant and rave and sound like paranoid nutcases? What’s this!? How refreshing. Well, Kievsky is in love with mind weaponization and farming :) , but he seems like a decent guy.
I did the best I could posting comments at OD, under a different name, telling Hunter Wallace to abandon White Nationalism, and sure enough he did. I’m not saying he did it because of me, but he is a logical guy and I knew it was only a matter of time before his cognitive dissonance collapsed. I think I planted some seeds.
I believe in being pro-white and raising white racial consciousness so white men start speaking openly about race and defending themselves. It is happening, slowly but surely. Oh, the country is doomed anyway, but I’m tired of anti-white “liberals” and progressives getting away with their lies and garbage unhindered. I want those cretins to answer for it before this shit is through. Lamp posts and all that.
Matt Parrott:
I like the phone-tapping analogy. But I think that our differences lie in our different goals, which are microcosms of the disparate goals of WNs and HBDers.
Of course, the boundaries between WN and HBD are blurring; the former using the academic focus of the latter to reinforce their goals of white separatism. I won’t judge that just as I won’t judge the goals of black nationalists. Of course, I’ll stop short of supporting or sympathizing with the violence of each one of those groups.
I can’t speak for anyone but myself, but I can speculate about OneSTDV as he and I seem to have similar feelings on this matter. WN is marginalized while multiculturalism is not. But both require a dogmatic belief concerning the goals which “good people” hope to achieve. Further, multiculturalists and HBD-deniers co-opt the state and just assume the baseline equality of the races in forming their policy decisions. By adhering to their naive assumptions, they foster even more resentment between the races as blacks fail to meet the standards of achievement which are being held up as the threshold by which we judge our society to be just.
So for me it is about government policy and elitism by which we are taught to ignore differences between the races and that we should all just get along. If those things can’t be achieved then we’ve not only been lied to, we’ve also been robbed.
“The white race isn’t going extinct because Sally the Seacow is shacking up with Tyrone the Thug, or because Ned the Nerd is getting his two-inch knob polished by Lin Ming Chung – it’s going extinct because whites aren’t marrying and having kids, period.”
Hahahahaha, very astute commentary on stereotypical mix-race couples. And you’re right on that not amounting to a hill of beans.
“I have never understood how those who talk about pan-white unity can be ignorant about 2,500 years of documented wars, genocides and rivalries between various ‘white’ groups.”
The same goes for men.
They have been one-upping each other for all these years for best chickas; now after decades of feminists pointing them out as a group, they will start to identify ‘men’ as a group and then start looking out for this group.
A weaker entity that instinctively herds together and then points out a more individualistic class of people as another herd, will find its prejudices about them turn to reality.
I want those cretins to answer for it before this shit is through. Lamp posts and all that.
White consciousness/nationalism will emerge, but not until whites are a plurality, say, 40% of the population. But when you’re the majority I can’t WN going anywhere. Give it til 2050…then you’ll see a viable ‘white consciousness’, with all the greats resurrected, ie. Newton, Einstein, Shakespeare, Mozart, etc.
Lovecraft,
Yep, BC is a granola munching, gay/lesbian/bi/trannie embracing, enviro-loving freak-show. But still, Southern Ontario is the dead zone. Manufacturing wiped out places like Burlington and Hamilton. It must be one neurotic, clinically depressed province. Hold tight, though. 2020 things should shape up.
I guess I should also speak directly to what Ferd wrote.
Part of WN has developed as a way to admonish whites who have married or fornicated outside their race, accepted multiculturalism, accepted immigration. It is a shaming-tactic of whites more than an attack on blacks or immigrants per se.
So I disagree on the part where WN are criticized because white people have allowed our society to turn out the way it has. It’s just like the argument about feminism; progressive white men allowed feminism to take hold – thus the term “mangina”. MRAs and such now criticize “manginas”, but they also aim some of their ire at women too.
So it’s not that WNs – and MRAs – can’t say anything since it is white people who have allowed our society to come to the point. WNs are maintaining that they were right in the first place and that other whites undermined the white race as a whole.
I was only sympathetic to WN for a short period of time, and one of my main worries was in seeing the human population turn universally brown. However, since then, I learned a little bit more about genetics, about the codominance of genes relating to light skin, and how the expression of recessive genes can skip generations. Pretty simple stuff. Gene flow from other populations will reduce the frequency at which two pairs of genes for blonde hair (which isn’t my favorite anyway) or blue eyes (which I love) meet, but it won’t eliminate them. Places like Puerto Rico and Brazil are good examples of the wide range of phenotypical variation in a a heavily admixed population. Not a ton of blondes, but that’s because most of the Euro genes are from Iberia, not Scandinavia. Places like Minnesota will always have lots of people with blonde hair and blue eyes because gene variants for those traits are concentrated there.
I think European descended genes are in great shape, as they were once confined to Europe and Central Asia, but are now pervasive throughout the Americas and Oceania. Western expats are also beginning to change the genetic landscape of the cities of east and southeast Asia. Go Eurogenes!
I realize this isn’t a victory for WNs. For them, once the genes of a Nordic woman pair with that of a black guy, the genes might as well be gone, even though they aren’t. They want a population with a uniform look – not a look of a Puerto Rican family that has full brothers and sisters of varying skin hues, eye and hair colors, etc. In that case, WNs are doomed, especially in the Americas.
Re: multiculturalism – I don’t have the same distaste for it as others. I think it can work well, provided that all neighboring cultures have a realistic path of upward mobility and provided that they don’t disagree on core ethical values. Multiculturalism works pretty well in Vancouver, BC, as most immigrants there are skilled professionals. Also, not many of them regard honor killings or clitorectomies as acceptable practices. Neighboring peoples can eat different foods and celebrate different seasonal festivals provided that these conditions are met.
the future of the USA will resemble Canada
True, but not the current Canada. We Canadians missed a step along the way in the early 60s, the direction we should have gone down.
The neocon scum have had their chance.
Now it’s our turn.
I enjoy IMF and respect what FB is doing, but I’ve really got to call the BS card here. IMF’s blogroll and weekend update link to overt WN sites that are a lot edgier than anything I buy into. What’s up with that?
Looks like FB freaked out when the haters started whining, as they are wont to do. Sad. FB, my brother, you either are a demi-WN or are trying very hard to appear one. Be what you are, don’t hide when the going gets tough.
As for the haters, they cry HITLER and AUSCHWITZ so laughably easily it’s absurd. It’s as if people shouted STALIN and GULAG anytime anyone Left of, say, me, denounced CEO compensation or America’s stupid health care situation. Ridiculous.
When you get around to the Austrian economists, you might keep the points in this post in mind:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2011/04/monetary_policy
Bernanke’s monetary policy is mainly a threat to all those poor old people with so much money in cash. As an ideology (as opposed to merely an economic theory), the monetary policy debate can be viewed in the context of the generational battle between old retirees vs. working people. What’s good for one group isn’t nec good for another, just as what’s good for Germany isn’t nec good for Greece.
timmay?
heh. Just wait till all your oil shale runs out. Funny how you maple leaf hippes don’t mind massive strip mining in Canada – as long as you don’t see it outside your coffeehouse cities.
When a “Canadian” sniffs self-congratulatory at his countries sophistication at having no weapons, it’s usually some Kanada Kid who prides himself on never being enlightened to the fact that it’s America’s proximity and military might that keeps SWPL Vancouverbois safe in their didie at night without having to shell out Loonies for aircraft carriers.
You must have skipped your Mochachino today, kid.
White nationalists believe in matrilineal descent? Like the Picts?
Just to make sure I’m understanding this correctly– does miscegenation when the female involved is white result in a white child? The statement above by Alte would imply that is so, but I doubt the baby of a black man and a white woman would ever be accepted (regardless of the circumstances) as white or someone even allowed in their to be established white homeland.
Thus whether White Nationalism is patrilineal or matrilineal wouldn’t seem to make a difference. If they suspect you have non-white (as defined by them) descent they kick you out from the inner circle. I’ve given up understanding their inclusion/exclusion principles. They attempt to make them sound logical and grounded in race reality, but 30% of white Americans have “african” genes.
In part, you can thank Thomas Jefferson for that. Apparently, Sally Hemmings was only 1/4 black (and apparently related to his wife) and her children joined “white society” upon growing up. Learn something knew every day.
Also, Thomas Jefferson was clearly alpha; he had children with two sisters.
So is this guy black or white?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Colonel_John_Wayles_Jefferson.gif
He’s the grandson of Eston Hemmings (who was linked by DNA to a male Jefferson Y-chromosome).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayles_Jefferson
It sounds like White Nationalist would have kicked out a capable lieutenant colonel out of their army for discovering his heritage.
Matt Parrott you seem good at explaining… what would happen in the situation above? White/Black or screwed because neither tribe accepts the off spring of miscegenation?
“If the most powerful military in the world can’t subdue a bunch of 10th century primitives who are fighting them with IEDs, what makes you think they can stop a massed invasion.”
The Taliban has a home court advantage. They know the terrain and they can blend into the population (which might be sympathetic to their cause). It’s their country. They also have easy access to assault rifles, RPGs, grenades and explosives, and their opponents have one arm tied behind their backs, and can’t simply kill and imprison everyone.
Refugees wouldn’t have those advantages. They would basically be like an invading army except with little or no weapons, let alone tanks and planes. The situation in Afghanistan is completely and utterly different from a scenario where refugees are trying to force their way into a European nation. It amazes me that you are not able to figure this out on your own.
@Firepower
I no longer mind the exploitation of natural resources. Clearly it’s okay for the people in the Gulf to be eating toxins and the people in the mid-west to slowly plod towards environmental devastation. I’m betting they go first. As long as the starving hordes can’t make it over the rockies I’m sticking around in Washington state.
In the end chronic abuse of the environment always catches up with the civilization.
This is not sustainable.
@lol
Somehow, I don’t think he was referring to a bunch of refugees lining up in ranks and marching across the border in well organized platoons with artillery and air support.
Tim:
White consciousness/nationalism will emerge, but not until whites are a plurality, say, 40% of the population. But when you’re the majority I can’t WN going anywhere. Give it til 2050…
True, but in the meantime whites can get some pro-white sentiments in the mainstream. Here’s an example of a few people that know how to do it:
- Andrew Breitbart: I don’t pay attention to him anymore and true he’s Jewish so he has more leeway, but I remember him defending the Tea Parties, and he defended them because they were white, not only because he agreed with their politics. He did a few other crazy things too. He got away with it and has a large following.
- James Buchanan has been defending white people for ages and he’s on MSNBC.
- Bill O’ Reilly: Bill O’ Reilly? That idiot? Yep. The only one on national television who hammered away on the immigration issue for years. He was called racist many times, and whenever a white man is called racist he’s probably doing something right. Glenn Beck ruffled some feathers also but he succumbed and fell apart.
- James Edwards: Not as well known but the man has a successful radio show and gets attention from the MSM. His paleoconservatism limits his audience which is a shame, but those are his beliefs and I respect that. He has a decent approach. Positive, outgoing, humorous, unapologetic, and it helps that he’s good looking.
- Roissy: Roissy? lol. His blog apparently has a large following and he sprinkles in pro-white commentary. Commentary that young white men may not have been exposed to before.
- Michael Savage: How the hell is this guy still on the radio? You can say because he’s Jewish but maybe it’s also because he has a sense of humor and is entertaining.
- I only watched two of Daniel Tosh’s videos, so I have no idea if he’s full of shit but he’s a good example of what one can get away with thru humor. In one he made fun of a black hip-hop type of guy, and the other is the popular “women can do anything men can do, except…” Hilarious video and one of the most non-PC things I’ve seen on television for awhile. It’s amazing what one can get away with thru humor. Both videos touch on uncomfortable truths and were not just comedy.
- Ferdinand Bardamu: Don’t be fooled. All those recent WN articles didn’t get posted by accident ;) ahh hahahaha.
The above examples may be weak, but they’re better than talking about Hitler, World War II, wearing costumes, explaining 50 different way one hates “niggers”, talking about how you don’t watch the “Electric Jew Tube” a.k.a television to a WN, analyzing DNA with a fine tooth comb and figuring out who’s whiter than thou (the anti-white left didn’t care how white the people were in the Tea Party, they hated them all the same), and waiting for the collapse.
He was adopted by Jews. He’s Irish by birth.
Castle,
I have to disagree with Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly et al, and any other Tea Partiers. Why? They’re not sexy. If you wanna sway the crowd ya gotta be sexy. Here are the ones you should follow:
Sailer
Roissy
Ferdinand
OneSTDV
There are more I’m sure but for now that’s that. Ultimately, white power will entail a linking of SWPL’s with Conservatives. Roissy manages to be weirdly conservative, sexy and white nationalist, all the while being urban, sophisticated, hip, artsy and a libertine. As you can see, not many can pull that off. Once whites merge these oppositional forces together, then, as Ezra Pound would say, “something new” will emerge. Right now the US is in a similar situation as it was just after WW1 when Woodrow Wilson was shaping the League of Nations: a small layer of oligarchs at the top and a shitload of peasants on the bottom. The coming decades will be interesting.
Now if you’ll excuse me, I’ve got a lowfat red raspberry muffin to eat followed by a java chip frappuccino. There should be just enough time to polish em off before yoga tonight.
white power will entail a linking of SWPL’s with Conservatives. Roissy manages… etc
No. The SWPLs will go a different kind of left, not right.
Roissy’s great weakness is his free market ideology. If he argued for a government takeover as a natural part of competition instead of separate from it he would get more traction.
Ferd said it, it’s going to be:
Sweden crossed with Franco’s Spain
If you want to call that Conservative, be my guest. But it’s sure not going to be Conservative in the sense we know it today.
IMF’s blogroll and weekend update link to overt WN sites that are a lot edgier than anything I buy into. What’s up with that?
He also links to traditionalist sites, but he’s thinks we’re all a bunch of tards. I think he links to whatever he finds interesting.
“Positive, outgoing, humorous, unapologetic, and it helps that he’s good looking.”
“Roissy manages to be weirdly conservative, sexy and white nationalist, all the while being urban, sophisticated, hip, artsy and a libertine. As you can see, not many can pull that off.”
Yay, let’s continue to value style over substance. That has gotten us so far. (rollseyes)
I understand the criticisms of WN, but I think they are kind of shallow. Most WNs aren’t really sociopolitical geniuses, and even more despite intelligence ride that Jewish Hobby Horse hard.
Hunter Wallace criticized the ‘Vanguardists’ as being insular and cliquish to the point of not actually wanting converts. That they value in-group signaling above any actual movement goals; and this seems to be largely true. They need you to agree with them for you to be accepted in their ranks, and are quick to ostracize people for being agent provacatuers.
I’d say that the various threads that run through WN are more broad than WNs themselves advertise for purposes of vetting the appropriately radical and antisocial for their ranks. That is WNs actually have other criteria including having the right kinds of Whites, that they don’t explicity advertise as one of their planks, and will probably refuse to articulate.
I also think that this takedown of WN paints it as some kind of brand new, made up ideology, which I don’t believe it is for the most part. Some of the sloganeering, icons, et cetera are new, but the undercurrent is one that goes back far in America. WNs have had a lot of their ideology transmitted to them by a very much alive counter culture, and didn’t make it up whole cloth as Pan-Europeanism.
I think for most WNs, their worldview would probably be best described as “Normalcy”. That is, what was once very mainstream, normal American though in certain parts of the country is now deemed racist and unacceptable. It’s been labeled with a pejorative, where as it had no label before. White Nationalism, et al have been attempts to put a name to something that has only been defined by the opposition.
Desegregation, et cetera didn’t happen so long ago. Those people are still alive today. The society they lived in had an ethic and both that society and ethic have totally been destroyed. It never had a name until enemies of it gave it one. Now the proponents of it have made an attempt.
Lovekraft: “Environmentalism is Canada’s official religion.”
No, Political Correctness is our official religion. Environmentalism is endorsed because it’s politically correct. We say all the right words, but when you look at actual actions it’s just not there.
Dion tried to run on a solely environmental campaign and he got the worst results in the history of the Liberal party. We signed Kyoto, but never actually bothered to do anything about it. The tar sands continue to be developed. We continue to ignore international protests over seal hunting.
If environmentalism was actually the religion of the majority of the country, don’t you think the Greens would have been able to get at least a single MP elected in its entire history?
We only appear to care about the environment because of the Thought Police.
To say it takes a long time to depopulate a certain ethnic race by underbreeding is a false assumption to say the least. It atkes about 2.2 children per couple to maintain 0 population growth, with a generation being 20 years. In Europe and the US if you take away immigration, the actual European birthrate in nearing 1.1. I believe Germany is already down to or below this rate.
Now watch how quickly an ethnic race can dissappear in 100 years, we’ll start with a population of 100 million breeding at 1.1 child per couple and a generation being 20 years, which is 1/2 of 0 population growth.
100,000,000/2=50,000,000 in 20 years, 50,000,000/2=25,000,000 in 40 years, 25,000,000/2=12,500,000 in 60 years, 12,500,000/2=6,250,000 in 80 years, 6,250,000/2=3,125,000 in 100 years.
So a nation of 100 million people of any particular race who practice this birth rate will be a population of a little over 3 million people of reproductive capacity in just 100 years. Since women have basically a reproductive window of roughly 20 years, this is why a generation is said to be 20 years. Pretty staggering when you look at the cold hard numbers, isn’t it?
To even think that feminism wasn’t hoisted upon the western world to achieve this exact result is to delude youselves. This is also why the UN is aggresively exporting feminism as it’s number one priority worldwide. Well, that, and feminism is also the best form of Marxism ever created. Since no matter how ethnicly pure a nation theres always men and women. So you’ll always have a built in oppressor class/victim class. Guess who the oppressor class is?
Yeah, pretty much. Negroes have their soul food and lots of mescans like to drink beer and play golf. I don’t have any use for Establishment liberal yankee fucks.
Also, I fucking hate the Yankees.
Hey Matt: you know, one of the major problems with WN is that you guys take a lot of common sense stuff (like, maybe, dislike of “affirmative action”) and mix it up with a lot of insanity (like, say, the idea that the Jooz are out to get us). Be that as it may, I do support freedom of speech for WNs and think many of their ideas are worth being better known. Probably much like Ferd’s opinion.
I’ll never be one though. Personally, I don’t like modern white people. They’re useless, decadent, left wristed sacks of protoplasm who are fit only for the disintegration tubes. Some of ‘em are OK, and when I’m dealing with the better of ‘em, I might even say they’re the best people on earth, but the vast majority are horrible people: the pandas who are so defeated by their own captivity they won’t fuck to save their own species. Screw them: I don’t want to save them. Their kind deserves to die out. I also don’t care for people who are trying to convert me to their cause with all its idiotic codicils and superficial details: WN people trying to recruit me are no different than obnoxious Jehovas Witnesses. They’re busybody jerks who are more interested in policing my personal life (yes, I gleefully spread my seed among the lesser races) than they are with saving the palefaces. Thank you, no, I have enough instructions from my alleged moral betters to fend off without getting a list of new ones from some armband wearing Church Ladies. Meanwhile, I am more interested in devoting my life to my own personal glory than I am some other clown’s pointless political movement. I’d sooner become a fruitarian than a WN. They have a better chance of getting their views widely accepted, and are a lot less self destructive.
I agree with this, but let’s not forget the mostly white-run HR departments and managers at corporations, always ready to throw their fellow white employees under the bus for alleged “transgressions.” I’ve worked for a company that had an HR dept. like this and it’s pathetic to see white folks cower in fear of the invisible boogie man of political correctness.
Nobody’s trying to recruit anybody and I haven’t seen a single comment calling for the dispossession ort destruction of non-Whites. What seems to be the rub here is that soe White people are simply taking notice that people of thei kind have been targeted for subservience and hav chossen to speak up about it.
There are ethnically focused organizations for every group under the sun; Historically Black Colleges and Universities, La Raza, 1001 “underpriveleged programs, not to mention exclusive Jewish academies. But the mere mention by White people on this site that “hey, I think we may we getting raw deal” gets the knee-jerk Hitler poster.
And if you want to open the anti-semitism can of worms, it’s not even an argument that the Jewish comunity is EXTREMELY ethnocentric, well beyond what would land a White Nationalist on the front page; they don’t marry otside their race, they avoid business outside their race, while all the while pushing for more “conformity” and “tolerance” from White people who have compromised at every turn bringing us multicultural success stories such as “affirmative action” and “sub-group norming” and the VAWA Act.
You say that Whites create most of their own problems as a result of their own behavior? How can they do anything else? Just a few articles previous talked about how public education is making drones out of our children. How can boys be expected to grow up to be anything but beer-swilling Joey-Lunchboxes with no more aspirations than for “their team” to make the play-offs? How can you expect littl girls to grow up with any hopes beyond being a piece of ass in a rap video? Those are the values getting pumped into kids’ heads day and night!
If you got right to the heart of it, the only thing that even the most dreaded White Nationalist Stormtrooper anywhere really wants is to be left the fuck alone; to rias their kids and live their lives without getting jumped through hoops working to pay the tab for someone who’s going to point a demanding finger at him over something new every hour for the next decade.
Matt Parrot,
I wonder if you engage in shaming of other White patriots, for instance Ben Klassen’s/Matt Hale’s WCOTC or the mythical skinhead movement. While I admire your work it seems like you are quite willing to shame people further “racist” than yourself. This is a typical conservative move. It’s rare to find many liberals who go out of their way to shame communists or the liberal varieties of anarchism or libertarianism. They have more sense than that.
Here are the righties I do NOT read or pay attention to:
Mainstream conservative stuff, like National Review or other neoconish Republican organs. I want noting to do with the Stupid Party andf its leftward drift.
Bill O’Reilly – he went batshit once over high school students in Georgia or SC who organized a white-only prom at a private residence. He’s probably one of those tard-cons who think that Apartheit was an unqualified evil.
John Derbyshire – I don’t say this lightly, as I owe the man my sanity. I started reading him in the late 90s on NRO and realized that I am neither insane nor evil for finding the Bob Dole / John Kemp wing of the republican party ideologically wanting. It really felt very alone, wiht all those inchoate and unarticulated thoughts before I started reading a witty, smart paleocon like Derb. However, I no longer can read anythign he pens without being infected by his pessimism. I once ruined a recent Sunday morning by falling into momentary despair following one of the “west is dead” articles Ferd linked to.
Far right/paleo blogs – anything from respectable sites like GoV and Mangan’s through AmRen, Majority Rights, and Stormfront. They are too fucking pessimistic. Reading them saps any hope and motivation I require to function. (I exclude Auster, whom I read daily, from that bunch because he is sincerely anti-despair and it shows in his writing.)
Echo-chamber blogs – that woudl be something like Spearhead, where the comments section is dominated by hardline “fuck off bitches.” Same with In Mala Fide, were it to go pure WN and the antagonistic commetners went away. Such places are boring.
The rock band Mue: crypto-righties? check out the lyrics to “Invincible,” “Resistance,” and “Uprising.”
This line in “Invincible” is particularly intriguing:
Muse, not “Mue”
All genes being talked about here are human genes.
Human gene recombination is one of the driving factors of evolution.
Fuck those too limited to see that. I value character and beauty in all its manifestations black, white, brown, yellow.
NBG,
Matt’s pretty good about “if you don’t have something nice to say, don’t say anything.”
I’ll say it though — the costume clowns hurt us. Look at the image — helmets and swazis and the (implied or explicit) calls for genocide. Those guys don’t understand Semitic Mindweaponization or even basic Taqqiyah. And very often they are led by Feds (Hal Turner, David Gletty).
Yes, I’ll bash people like that. I correspond with Matt Hale. He’s very bright, but he thought that the government would respect the law. He was wrong.
@ Lupo LeBoucher,
I’m very curious about your handle. Does the abbreviation CoS mean anything to you?
@PA,
I agree pretty much with 100% of what you wrote with one caveat:
Don’t read John Derbyshire. Listen to “Radio Derb”. Each Saturday he has a one hour radio program. It’s funny as hell, not remotely dull and pessimistic. Pour yourself a glass of whiskey and give it a listen. Just google “Radio Derb”.
For the record, I didn’t bring up Bill O ‘Reilly because I like him or agree with his neo-connery. I don’t watch him or cable news anyway. He’s just an example of someone who had a style that enabled him to get away with a strong stance against immigration, illegal anyway, and maintain a big audience. Instead of ranting about immigration on a blog somewhere, he’s doing it on national television. I take what I can get. I don’t need ideological perfection. But yes, I’m sure after awhile he made concessions to the anti-white left in an attempt to show how non-racist he is, like a good little white man, so that’s where he loses me. I’m done with him.
Same thing with the Spearhead. I agree that some of the comments go overboard, but there are also good articles and good comments too. Considering the measly crumbs that men have to work with, I’ll take what I can get. I don’t need perfection. The Spearhead serves a purpose and Welmer is a good guy. People who throw the Spearhead out with the bathwater annoy the crap out of me.
In your case, Ferd, there is NO point in trying to be funny, and you should really stop trying to be funny. You lack the necessary talent. Focus on your strong point: trolling.
Chuck:
Fair enough.
I don’t support or sympathize with unprovoked violence, either. While I’m not going to pretend to be ideologically opposed to defensive violence, it’s about the last thing we need in our current situation.
White Nationalism is nationalism for a White ethnicity. I suppose, in theory, it could also mean that silly notion of all the world’s White people uniting as a nation. But that’s really White Imperium or whatever. WN is not violence. It’s not creepers. It’s not zealots. It’s not any baggage in the history or stigma in the present. White Nationalism only means nationalism. It has nothing to do with basking in the glow of a fiery crucifix in a dewy field at the end of a long dirt road or strutting around the town square in a polyester costume surrounded by fellow law enforcement officers.
If you feel like you need a new label to get out from under the baggage of the old one, then fine. But please send me an encrypted email or tell me in pig latin that what you’re working toward is the eventual security and self-determination of my ethnic tribe. Personally, I like the term White Advocacy and use that term almost exclusively in my political work. One can be an advocate without necessarily being a nationalist. But advocacy isn’t enough. The end goal is Zionism for crackers.
I got a bit sassy with OneSDTV in response to the following…
While I may have read too much into what he said, a close reading of what he said suggests mere awareness and consciousness. This is in itself inferior to White Advocacy.
White Consciousness < White Advocacy < White Nationalism
White Consciousness
HBD types like Steve Sailer and Charles Murray are not White Advocates. Their agenda is applying scientific understanding of human differences to public policy questions. It’s fascinating stuff, and it’s on my feed. But at the end of the day, while John Derbyshire will acknowledge that White people have group interests and that third world immigration will undermine our long-term interests, he still has an Asian family.
I have a great deal of respect for these people, and appreciate the honor in pursuing the truth for truth’s sake. I wish them all the best, but their concern is not necessarily for the welfare of my people. Furthermore, it’s downright paradoxical to assert that making dispassionate HBD-driven policy recommendations is true activism in any coherent sense. After all, HBD researchers know that politics become tribal after a certain tipping point, and that the surface rationalizations for ethnic spoils like Affirmative Action and minority-business set-asides are not seriously held ideological contentions to be taken at face-value and examined as such.
It’s fine. It’s good stuff. It’s just not activism.
White Advocacy
White Advocacy is explicit activism for White people within the prevailing political context. It’s what our Hoosier Nation group does, acting as “community organizers” to start thinking and acting as an identity group on practical and present issues. One needn’t necessarily be a White Nationalist to be a White Advocate, and there are White Advocates who merely wish for Whiteness to be one more ray of light in the multicultural rainbow.
White Nationalism
This trips that deeply indoctrinated History Channel montage panic response in the normal White American. Nazis and klansmen and skinheads, oh my! While I’m not going to pretend that a lot of that history hasn’t happened, or that a lot of that history isn’t uncomfortable, nationalism for White Americans isn’t intrinsically associated with any of these things. In fact, it was pretty much the default American tribal identity up until recently (with a big Black asterisk, no doubt).
Now, as we all know, while it was that way up until very recently, massive social engineering, unchecked immigration, and the desertion of the White American womb have completely destroyed the whole proposition that America is a White European country*. We can’t simply roll back the clock on that.
But we don’t all have to idly resign ourselves to current statistical trends playing out to their logical conclusion. We can step back from what’s going on, look at the big picture, and try to reach a consensus on what’s best for ourselves and our communities. After considerable reflection, I’ve concluded, along with hundreds of thousands of others, that I want to opt out of the Cosmic American experiment altogether.
I don’t want to break up any interracial families or get in the way of Cosmic America going on to achieve its celestial vision of technicolor triumph. I just want off the ride. I believe we can, should, and will acquire a sovereign territory within which we can go to opt out of the project – Orania-style.
While some non-White feelings could get hurt, and some non-Whites could end up needing to relocate, I support taking every reasonable measure to minimize the negative impact of our project. I’m not going to get too worked up about that, as my people are having our feelings hurt and are being ethnically cleansed from one neighborhood after another as things stand. But I do respect the common humanity and human dignity of everybody, even Jews, and look forward to this new nation developing good relationships, vibrant trade, and cultural exchange with nations the world over.
Kievksy, I disagree but considering the surroundings I won’t be emotional about it. The philosophy of Klassen cuts to the heart of what I think you want and I want, and every White man wants who has some balls. It puts us at the center and our enemies far, far away. It solves the problem of universalism neatly by taking Judaism’s strength for our gain. I think you are conflating illegal “dialogue” by FBI informer Turner with a legal and just value system.
I totally agree with your position on useless costumes and so on. I also understand your position on hiding your true values in a hostile environment. However, someone has to put forth the true religion, just like the crazy Muslims in Iraq. Otherwise, we’re just a couple a-holes talking about nothing.
“White nationalism is multiculturalism for the melanin-deprived”
Nullpointer,
As a preliminary matter, I believe everybody considering having an interracial relationship should consider the very serious consequences of creating a child who doesn’t belong to a tribe. It seems like a minor consideration in the current context, but only because the West is so engorged with wealth that tribalism as a cardinal force behind human behavior and human history is currently dormant.
It’s like if I had a Magic Refrigerator within which food magically reappeared after it was taken out. If that were the case, I would be inclined to welcome all the kids in the neighborhood to stop by and eat. I would not really make much of a distinction between family and neighbor, since everybody gets to eat. But if the refrigerator stopped working one day, I would be forced to send away the neighborhood kids and insist on on only feeding my own kids.
The continued operation of the West’s Magic Refrigerator isn’t something I would personally put money on, and I believe the consequences of its failure are pretty predictable. Interracial kids in your context are kids who don’t have homes with refrigerators to go back to. It’s hardly a problem in the current context, but as people are forced by circumstance to differentiate between “us” and “them”, children whose parents didn’t bother to arrange for them an “us” will be in dire straits.
Now, in the immediate American context, two things need to be noted. Both the Black and Latino communities have more broad and flexible definitions of their genetic identity than the White community does. You even have authentic blonde Latinos and the Black community doesn’t even necessarily require a single drop of Black blood. The founder of Nation of Islam, Wallace Fard Muhammad, wasn’t even Black at all. And W.E.B. DuBois even entertained silly notions of embracing Japs as “people of color” (a notion that was surely not reciprocated).
But in your case, we’re talking about international elites, the thin crust of cognitive elites from throughout the globe who are increasingly coming together across national and racial lines. I’m not really sure what the future holds for them. But they’re sufficiently wealthy and well-connected enough to figure something out. Furthermore, I’ve expounded on the notion of there being a “Cosmic America”, where people who want to be in diverse post-racial communities can go.
There are hundreds of millions of gifted and talented non-Whites, so it goes without saying that a White nation would be excluding a lot of truly talented people. This isn’t about founding Giftedstan. I have ugly and stupid family members who I love more than sexy and smart neighbors. Same thing.
But you’re probably going back to the difficulty of precisely defining Whiteness. Ask two White Nationalists and you’ll get one answer every time – because the two will get in a fight and one of them will storm off or get his ass kicked. I define it as somebody who’s of overwhelmingly European descent. If you wouldn’t look out of place on the Mayflower, then it doesn’t matter what your actual ancestry is. And if you would look out of place on the Mayflower but identify as White, then you’re in a gray area (or brown area, as it were).
My advice for people in that gray area is to take the lead in being an outspoken and tireless advocate for your people. If I’m running the show, or sitting on the panel, I’ll certainly consider merit as a factor in determining those edge cases. I would encourage other WNs to do that, as well. This is about tribal identity, not Nordicism or absolute purity. That horse is already out of the barn, at least in the White American context.
@f.b. – “Here’s a little wake-up call for the White is Right crowd – you’re doomed.”
i already said so, but for a reason you haven’t even contemplated.
@f.b. – “People who love to wax dramatic about tribalism seem to forget that the strongest tribal hatreds are between peoples in geographic proximity – meaning that different tribes of whites, blacks, browns and yellows hate each other FAR more than they hate the “others.” The Quebecois want out of Canada, the Scots want out of Britain, the Flemish want out of Belgium – need I go on?”
yes, but being “tribal” (and you’re using the word incorrectly here, but that’s ok) is a relative thing.
of course the scots hate the english — but when great britain was attacked by the germans, i.e. an outside group — well, suddenly the scots and the english were united.
that’s how relatedness works.
imagine yourself. you are most related (genetically) to yourself, so you like yourself the best above anyone else on the planet and you look after yourself accordingly. (this is the same for all of us.) next are the people most closely related to you — your kids, parents, siblings. then your extended family. then — well these sentiments just fan out in concentric circles with you at the center — then your ethnic group, then your race, then the human race vs. the aliens from mars, then us and the martians vs. the guys from another galaxy, etc., etc.
this is BASIC BIOLOGY and everyone ought to learn this before they go spouting off about things which they do not know. start here.
Lupo,
I don’t “hate” the Jews. They’re a gifted people with a rich history. I think Israel has a right to exist. But, yeah, as a group, they sort of are out to get us.
A good starting point is Kevin MacDonald’s summarization of the Jewish role in promoting third world immigration…
http://www.kevinmacdonald.net/Immigration.pdf
I also recommend reading his work, Culture of Critique.
At the very least, I ask you to read Mearsheimer and Walt’s report on The Israel Lobby.
While there are certainly paranoid types who fixate on the Jews for the wrong reasons, a sober and thorough review of the credible peer-reviewed historical and scientific record confirms that they’ve played a pivotal (if not necessarily causative) role in imperiling Western Civilization.
That’s fine. I get that. I fully acknowledge that there are plenty of good reasons to pass on joining me in a White American ethnostate. All I really ask is that I be allowed to go off to that ethnostate. I hope people don’t think I want to drag any White people along who don’t wish to do so.
Godspeed.
one of the major things that makes a difference in when different groups of people get along with one another or not is THE QUANTITY OF RESOURCES ARE AVAILABLE. this is the same in all organic life.
ever see one of those documentaries about the grizzly bears up in alaska who normally would tear each other to shreds except they put up with each other during the salmon run? that’s ’cause there’s soooooo much food to go around, the bears don’t need to fight with their competitors.
same with humans in the modern world during the last few decades. BUT, if the economy totally hits the fan — well, i for one do not want to be around anyone not like me.
see what’s going on in the ivory coast right now as an example. everything was great until the cocoa business tanked (i dunno why — i’m holding up my end eating a half a bar of dark chocolate every day!). now it’s tribe vs. tribe.
NBG,
I don’t believe I am guilty of that.
I don’t believe I do that. If you can find an example, I’ll either own up or try to explain it in context.
I mean, I have neither the obligation nor the inclination to stand in solidarity with stuff I disagree with and stuff I find morally objectionable. I believe I more or less “play well with others” and don’t throw other “racists” off the sleigh just to keep the multicult wolves at bey.
@f.b. – “I have nothing in common with Germans, Greeks or Australians aside from skin color….”
oh, honestly. you’re kidding, right? you’re not that ill informed, are you?
assuming you’re of european decent, OF COURSE you share more genes in common with other europeans — and not just the genes for skin color. this is how genetics works. start here to learn about race.
and, before you say it, genes are all that matter. at the end of the day, they’re all that counts in this silly game we call life.
@f.b. – “…but the hard determinist line pushed by many hereditarians doesn’t explain why Italy, the heir of the Roman Empire and its technological and cultural legacy, has been a backwards basketcase since the year 476. Or why the Germans and Scandinavians, so lovingly praised as supermen by the Nordicists, were illiterate barbarians shitting in bushes and dancing naked around campfires during the same time those dirty filthy wops in Athens and Rome were inventing civilization.”
populations change, of course, which i think maybe is what you’re driving at. they change for different reasons, but one of them is replacement by other populations.
why aren’t the greeks today as clever as the ancient greeks? ’cause they’re turks. why aren’t the italians of today as great as the romans? i actually suspect that has something to do with genetic drift, but the romans of the late empire also gave citizenship to any idiot within the boundaries. i’m sure that didn’t help.
have you ever noticed that the “brilliant” center of europe — or, should i say, of the western world — has been continually pushed northwards over the last few thousand years? first things were great in the fertile crescent (and egypt). and then that fell apart. then ancient greece. crash. then rome. another crash. then the germans and the anglo-saxons. oops.
i’d guess that’s ’cause the not-very-bright-genes (whatever the heck they are) have been pushing their way northwards out of the middle east since the time of hammurabi.
BUT, if the economy totally hits the fan — well, i for one do not want to be around anyone not like me.
Are you serious? I’m a white guy but there is no place I’d have rather been than New Orleans when the levee broke.
@f.b. – “it’s going to end up like Pan-Arabism, another racial ideology that bombed because “Arabs” from Morocco to Qatar had jack all in common and wanted nothing to do with each other.”
it (wn) very well might, but for a different reason. pan-arabism did, indeed, bomb because all of the arabs didn’t want anything to do with one another — but that’s because they’re TOO inbred — they are actually tribal, with a big T.
europeans are the exact opposite. we are so outbred that we might have troubles uniting ’cause we don’t give a shit about one another. we’re not related enough to one another anymore.
@f.b. – “This is 2011.”
heh. that’s what every age says about themselves: “we’re different. we’re civilized.”
don’t count on it. human nature varies, but it doesn’t change completely.
genocide will (sadly) happen again (and again and again and again) — and i’ll even lay odds that it’ll happen again with westerners involved — on the giving end, i mean.
THIS is one of the main reasons i want all this multi-cultural immigration to end. because it’s guaranteed to end in bloodshed and tears.
@f.b. – “So, how’re those wars in Afghanistan and Iraq going?”
ah, but that’s ’cause we don’t have our hearts in it. a couple of well-placed nukes, and it all would’ve been over a long time ago. (~_^)
I ♥ these (~_^) signs.
This video from Lord of the Rings I think nicely sums up FB post.
This video, dammit!
Are the Italians actually descended from the Romans? My impression has always been that, while they may have some Roman ancestry, they are in essence a different people. The statues and busts I have seen from ancient Rome appear distinct from modern Italians, to me.
The northbound shifting of the seat of the West had never occurred to me explicitly before. It’s something worth thinking about – thanks for the insight.
you are most related (genetically) to yourself, so you like yourself the best above anyone else on the planet and you look after yourself accordingly. (this is the same for all of us.) next are the people most closely related to you
Spot on, like most of your arguments. I have difficulty understanding how people do not perceive this. I think it has something to do with liberal indoctrination beating overt displays of self-interest out of us – forcing people to dress their interests up in politically-correct, altruistic drag. I posted it in one of the earlier hated threads, but the way I’ve heard this put in the middle east is “Me against my brother, my brother and I against our cousin, the three of us against the world.” The first time I heard that was an eye opener.
“The Athenians said it, the Romans said it, the British said it. And when all of those empires crumbled to dust, the world just kept on ticking”.
I don’t get it… how are modern white people considered an “empire” in any sense?
Again, the best thing WNs can do is to learn Hebrew.
Again, the best thing WNs can do is to learn Hebrew.
Explain.
“i think i’m going to bookmark this and reference it always. (out of the mouth of someone who’s an interracial relationship with a jew.)”
Oh wow, Sofia, I’d never have guessed. What is it with Hindoos and their Jew love affair, anyways? Is it the mutual credentialism boner? But then why do they never mix as hard with Chinees, where all that dull as dishwater Confucian crap comes from?
One thing people fail to realise is that whites will not just dwindle away into nothing! The time will come when they will become the minority, and when they are still shown no quarter THEN you will see attitudes change and change very fast. You think they are going to take it on the chin? Dont mistake passivity for weakness!
People forget that for all the good we bring to the world, we tend to unleash some seriously bad motherfuckers when things go pear shaped. Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon? All extremes that result from nothing more than overwhelming white anger.
But hey who knows. Regardless, the sooner white folk die out the sooner we will see the rest of the world devolve back into the 3rd world shit pit the immigrants come from.
Harry:
Considering the overwhelming racial ethnicity of the megadeaths Stalin and Hitler caused, how is birthing another genocidal maniac supposed to help your cause again?
It’s saying shit like that, that makes you lose the PR battle, bub. You guys seriously are your own worst enemy.
Matt: “All I really ask is that I be allowed to go off to that ethnostate. I hope people don’t think I want to drag any White people along who don’t wish to do so.”
If you succeed and create a well-defended and stable society in a small territory, I would think you’d probably come to have the opposite problem (and of course, complaints from newly arrived multi-cult refugees about there being no decent sushi, fajita or kebab restaurants).
You say that Whites create most of their own problems as a result of their own behavior? How can they do anything else? Just a few articles previous talked about how public education is making drones out of our children.
The articles also note that white people invented public education.
I pretty much agree with the general view of the post, but I think that maybe it would be necessary to suggest possible ways to solve the mess we have right now.
I’m writing from south-america ( ) so my view about all this is a bit gloomy.
My country was (and still is to some extent), an example of white multiculturalism. The majority of our population is of spanish and italian descent, but we have blood coming from all around europe, from britain to russia, you name it, you have it, and of course this includes jews.
The thing is, that what used to be a homogeneous society with quality of life, is now following the path of the rest of south-america, whith the poors being mostly brownish (with high birth rates), and middle and upper classes predominantly white (with low birth rates). As you know, this situation leads to brazil, our big neighbour, which means two societies working in parallel, the winning-all of the white elites, and the failure of the darker ones.
The only thing I’m sure about, is that this is a one way ticket to hell…
Alte: “The articles also note that white people invented public education.”
You can use the same car to drive kids to football practise or the getaway car for the a liquour store robbery.
That’s Ferd’s whole point…not whether we have the means to win by whether we have the will. We don’t have our hearts in it in the West and we never will. We’re too soft. Sure a couple of well-placed nukes would end it, but good luck ever making that happen.
They have the will to win but not the means. We have the means but not the will. The difference is, it’s much easier to get the means than to get the will, so it’s only a matter of time.
fuck ya
“They have the will to win but not the means. We have the means but not the will.”
Ah, the fallacy of the vital primitive. We are not soft, but sated. Until we miss two meals. They are not wilfull, but sponsored. Until they no longer offer any value-added to our elites.
Matt Parrott,
With all due respect, I would like to point out a significant flaw in an analogy I’ve seen you employ on several occasions:
You’re assuming that your fellow neighbors are net consumers, not net producers. Net producers engaged collaboratively would actually create more food for your family.
To-may-to, to-mah-to. Same difference, just semantics.
When will that happen? Westerners missing two meals in a row? Hilarious. That only happens when they’re too immersed in online poker or Warcraft to walk 20 paces to the fridge or pantry. The only thing that may rouse lazy soft/sated Westerners to action is a power outage denying them access to Facebook, at which point they’ll do some ironic twitter protest or something.
The topic starter was Ferd’s line about “How are those wars in Iraq and Afghanistan going?” How are our elites currently sponsoring Afghanistan? They have poppy fields that they use to make drugs, something the West won’t do without. Not all or even most of their money comes from handouts, you know.
When will that be? When they run out of oil, dirt cheap labor, and poppy fields? I have a feeling they’ve got a lot bigger reserves of those than we have of hidden reserves of will. Us Westerners can’t even muster up the will to rule our own women anymore.
The fallacy isn’t about “vital primitives” in the third world, it’s about “sleeping tigers” in the West. A sated housecat will never be a tiger, no matter how much it play-acts at it or how well you can prove it at one point descended from jungle cats.
YA April 5, 2011 at 5:01 am
Well, WNs complain Jews rule everything.
How do Latinos in ER’s who can’t afford insurance pay for Medicare and Social Security for themselves or Whites? They don’t. The GOP is cutting Medicare and Social Security now because the wealthy won’t and can’t pay for Medicare and Social Security for 3rd world immigrants.
But legal immigration is not being cut. Why? Because Whites don’t have a pro-White movement to keep Medicare and Social Security by stopping 3rd world immigration.
So if you don’t support a pro White movement, what you get is losing your Medicare and Social Security because the rich won’t and can’t pay for it with Latinos becoming the majority. You also lose schools, affordable college, physical safety, walking at night, good wages, bargaining power with your employer, etc.
The only way to keep the progress Whites made in the last 500 years over 3rd worlders is pro-White politics. Every other politics means Whites lose Medicare, Social Security, affordable college, safe and good schools, physical safety even at work (search Jayna Murray Bethesda), and good working conditions and terms.
I see your point.
But, you base this on western civilizations that pump trillions of dollars of their national treasure into saving Snaildarters, Spotted Owls and Institutionalized Welfare Dregs.
Eastern civilizations don’t care about the environment or even exterminating all of their sick.
China predates multitudes of Western Civilizations that rose and fell – while China survives.
“By the way, I think miscegenation is just fine, and in Ferd World, it would be neither encouraged nor discouraged.
Race traitor.
These are attractive women by any objective measure (link NSFW). Every white guy who won’t shut up about the supposed “unattractiveness” of black women (you know who you are) probably has an entire hard drive full of ebony porn.
-Black women are hideous it’s the reason why they are chronically single, fat, and shunned. Black women look like apes who would want to watch porn with them in it? (Probably Jay Hammers)
Talkers aren’t doers.”
Puhlese.
“The Athenians said it, the Romans said it, the British said it. And when all of those empires crumbled to dust, the world just kept on ticking.”
Excellent point. We are, indeed, about to enter a new Dark Age.
F.B,
You’re receiving some serious flack in the comments section at Mangan’s blog.
Dennis Mangan is accusing you of having thrown “White people under the bus”. This is coming from a person who flirted with Paultardism and is still pushing hyper-inflationary lewrockwellian-apocalypse lunacy, who threw a tantrum when Half Sigma rationally suggested on his blog that perhaps infant formula is not really a big deal (Women doing something else than having babies eroding their breasts, the horror!); and according to whom Ron Unz, a tireless advocate for HBD, is “an apologist for the Mexican invasion” for failing to take his critique of Hispanics to the eliminationist/his-panic level. He’s is also associating with the Alt Right White Supremacists (or was it White Nationalists?) , including Spencer and Hoste.
Not to mention that he laughably threatened to boycott OneSTDV’s blog when a facetious female HBD activist posted a picture of interracial love-making involving a “nigger” and a White female.
Oh and lest I forget, game apparently failed him so badly that he holds feminism responsible for the decline of sperm quality!
Mangan does seem a bit eager to declare FB anathema, doesn’t he?
It sort of reminds me of this very old webpage about pioneering genetics blogger Dienekes Pontikos.
Ferdinand, you WHITE HATING RACE MIXER!
Nestorious: “Suppose Jack Jackson married two women: one white and one black. John is the son of the white woman. Will is the son of the black woman. Will and John are brothers, and consequently they belong to the same tirbe/race (except that Will is darker tham John). However, according to White Nationalists John and Will belong to different races just because they have different colors.”
Actually, when you look at genes, John would probably share more (selected for) DNA with a random white person off the street than he would with Will.
Frank Salter once made the point that a white mother of black children will share more crucial DNA with a random white person off the street than with her own children.
See:
http://www.mankindquarterly.org/samples/SalterMQXLVIII-3.pdf
Ferdinand doesn’t distinguish between different degrees of interest in race:
- White nationalists: support a white homeland
- White racial advocates: support white interests in multiracial state
- Racially conscious whites: aware of their existence within a race
- HBD sympathizers: acknowledge and interested in racial differences
The higher up you go in these degrees, probably the fewer commenters there are.
Put it this way. A white-trash slut (Slutty Sandy) gets impregnated by a black man (Tyrone) and has two kids Shaneeka and Tameeka.
As Salter points out, Sandy will share more crucial (selected for) DNA with a random white person off the street than she will with her two black children.
http://www.mankindquarterly.org/samples/SalterMQXLVIII-3.pdf
Not so sure about the musical link, Ferd … http://www.duckweedmafia.com/images/000/queen-elizabeth-horrified-2.jpg
Good. That’s why so many of us left the spearhead long ago. Also it’s not that losers randomly decided to pick that site to play whiny victim commenters on. The site’s framework kind of encouraged it. Eventually it started running stories like one random woman somewhere does something bad to one random man in nowhere, Kansas.
I’m glad to see your spirit is completely different and going in the right direction.
Are you truly concerned about the decline and fall of the White Race?
Get a White wife and make some White children. That, at least, is doing something about it. Kvetching at each other is NOT.
Personally, despite being a scion of a D.A.R. bloodline (with three fat genealogy tomes from a great-aunt who wanted to join), I don’t have a fetus in the race. Perhaps I ought to bank-up some D.A.R. sperm, but why should I bother?
And haven’t we other things to talk about?
@ BeijaFlor :
In Mala Fide is essentially being invaded by White Nationalists and White Supremacists.
After Ferdinand Bardamu dared to publicly doubt the credibility and viability of their secular belief system, they felt the need to entrench themselves within the comments section and defend their ideology past the point where others are bored and annoyed by it.
In Mala Fide will never recover unless a strong counter-resistance is built, but I do appreciate Ferdinand Bardamu expressing true neutrality in light of recent events.
@YellowSupremacist
Mmm, no. The donations reinforce the idea that it’s ferninads’ blog. Otherwise they’d be called shareholder stocks, not donations.
In Mala Fide is essentially being invaded by White Nationalists and White Supremacists.
He invited them to blog here.
Oh, come on, you guys. The fact is these racial topics generate a huge number of responses. People care a lot about them. None of this is going to go away mainly because the governments of the West are actively discriminatory against Whites at this time in history and you all know it.
On money:
So if you don’t support a pro White movement, what you get is losing your Medicare and Social Security because the rich won’t and can’t pay for it with Latinos becoming the majority.
They’re not paying for it now.
If politics becomes even remotely pro-White, what’s going to happen to all those very rich Whites who have actively colluding against anything remotely like White interests despite having made most of their money from what was in their day a mostly White society?
Are you willing to raise the taxes on the glorious super-rich yet?
The logic of pro-White politics leads to exactly that. It’s a more fundamental threat to the consumerist-corporatist status quo than anything else and anyone with an ounce of sense knows it.
Actually I agree with most of this.
The Spearhead’s whiner crowd is something I’ve complained about in the past. “White nationalism”, as such, presumes something that doesn’t exist: that there is a nation defined entirely and only by whiteness. A French nationalist may ally with an English nationalist, but they damn sure don’t want to share countries.
There are some aspects of it where you are glossing over some things – the differences between human races is more properly thought of as differences between species, as between coyotes and wolves or tigers and cheetahs, so the disappearance of the white nations will be far more serious than the degeneracy of the Romans – but addressing this is a matter for doing, not talking. Doing in the sense of having kids and teaching them to forcefully prefer their own kind.
@Yellow Supremacist
“You’ve left the Yellow Master Race out of your rant …”
I assume you’re a troll, but just for fun:
1.) By “yellow master race” do you refer to some pan-Asian unity project? I’m sure that will work out splendidly … Gooks, Nips, Chinks and … damn, what’s a good racial epithet for Koreans … just love one another. Just look at how that Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere worked out.
2.) Or do you refer to one particular group, e.g. the Chinese? Yeah, they’ve got a real track record of world-shaking dynamism, which probably explains why their thousand-year-old empire easily kicked the shit out of a handful of limeys who washed up on shore in the 19th century.
@Matt: “yeah, as a group, they sort of are out to get us.”
No, they’re not. Not any more than we “the set of non Jew honkeys,” are out to get them. Yes, I’ve read MacDonald and everyone else. I’m certain a lot of Jews are very hostile towards non-Jews. Some of them are evil people who should be denounced and put away. So what? That don’t make them all in some vast world spinning conspiracy, or even genetically predisposed towards hating whitey like MacDonald says. There are far more white non-Jews putting the screws to white people than there are Jews doing so. Jews also face exactly the same problems as every other white ethnicity: their “ethnostate” will be majority minority in a few years, and Jewish people intermarry far more than gentiles taken as a group. Until your movement recognizes simple facts like this, your racial marxism will continue to be an adolescent fantasy based on resentment, rather than facts. Blaming your problems on the Jews is as obnoxious as Jewish people who insist that no Jewish person in all of human history ever did a bad thing, and if you think so, you’re an anti-semite.
As for your honkey paradise: if this country worked as it was supposed to, freedom of association would be considered as basic a civil right as showing a gradeschooler how to put a condom on a banana. If you must carve out a homeland: I suggest Mexico.
Just a note here:
I’ve been writing for The Spearhead for a long time, and I HATE the comments section. Comments sections generally suck, and I think online writing would improve greatly if sites stopped having them. If you have a consistent line of thought and want to say something critical–blogs are free. Start your own. Comments encourage drive-by catharsis and a few obsessive commenters can spoil a blog for people who would have taken the content at face value otherwise.
Stop throwing Whites (don’t forget to capitalize “White”) under the bus Ferd.
I’m warning you. Do not mess with me. I take supplements and strictly follow the paleo diet. I’m going to live forever. I also own lots of gold and am constantly buying more of it. The economy’s going to collapse next week in a hyperinflationary depression. Your fiat currency will be worthless. And you will come begging to me for a piece of my gold stockpile. You’ll be sorry.
@Lupo LeBoucher April 6, 2011 at 12:49 am
Mexico is a vulnerable target in many ways….
I’m not a WN either. Yet I don’t see how you’ve said anything that attempts to refute white nationalism. If anything, one could say you’re guilty of blaming the victim.
“Dennis Mangina”
lolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllzlolzzllz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Come on, troll harder. It advocates the creation of that nation – not presumes its current existence.
That first sentence posits that White nations exist, while you just before that said they did not.
One of the most annoying anti-WN fallacies that sticks around is the idea that WNs don’t do anything but post online. Since you only see what they are posting, you assume they do nothing else. So let me ask you – does your entire life revolve around debunking WN arguments online? Of course not.
Beyond ridiculous. There is no invasion – all of the posts were allowed by Ferdinand. I, for example, have only posted comments concerning race when it has been specifically brought up in an article or by an anti-white commentator, in defense, and have posted plenty of non-race comments in other articles. If Ferdinand is not going to post more race articles and physically force you to read them, what’s your issue exactly?
If it bores you and annoys – DON’T FUCKING READ IT.
Most the people who criticize white nationalists on the internet are white nationalists who don’t want to admit it.
Lupo,
You’re the one who snorted angel dust and stormed into the comment thread to accuse me of being a retarded anti-Semite despite my having explicitly distanced myself from the notion that Jews are the “single cause”. I politely explained my position again, provoking you to strip all your clothes off, streak your own blood on your face like a warrior’s face paint, then charge headfirst at the hood of the squad car with this round of incoherent pointing and sputtering.
This is a place for intelligent (if irreverent) discussion of complicated and sensitive topics. You’re evidently lost.
You would probably be more at home commenting over here…
http://www.facebook.com/sarahpalin
Most of these WN “invaders” have been commenting here quite a while now. The endless kvetching from a handful of commenters making tired arguments are what is new. When I started reading this blog, I went back into to the archives to see what I had missed to discover it had been only 2 posts.
I’m honestly interested in race based social systems and political movements and critiques of them. What is going on here isn’t any kind of rebuttal though, especially from the commenters. It’s all anecdotal, emotional nonsense.
If someone could offer up something real instead of politically correct shoutdowns it would be nice.
Since when does Ruby post on anything but race issues (including sticking up for Obsidian)? He’s here explicitly for the purpose of sticking a thumb in the eye of racist whites. You cut out the WNish commenters and posts, you cut out Ruby and probably a handful of other commenters. Even the WN-leaning posters so far have displayed a more robust set of interests than this “strong counter-resistance”, who seem to only give a shit about facing off against all the forces of evil in this world, as apparently embodied by Matt Parrott et al.
Let’s be clear, I’ve had my own back and forth with Matt Parrott, and probably some of the other pro-white bloggers and probably will in the future. However, it wasn’t on the grounds of drawing some line in the sand between myself and “The Racists”, which is exactly what is taking place here.
If you’ve got an argument, at least be sure it’s a bit better than you’ve got a stellar black girlfriend whose existence absolutely disproves everything everyone has ever said about any race anywhere. There is an existential issue on the table, and it’s the continuing existence of my entertainment. My mousewheel only has so much mileage left on it and I can’t afford to go scrolling past many more comments than I already do.
In Response to K(yle) :
I would admonish you to get your facts straight.
Not only have I actively debated with Obsidian in DEFENSE of White Self-Determination (Though, always against White Nationalist and Supremacism.) twice in the past incarnation of “In Mala Fide” and too many times at “Chateau Roissy”, but I did the same a few months ago in response to a thread about Thailand cracking down on it’s illegal immigrant African population at the blog, “Sagat Says”:
http://sagatsays.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/thailand-cracks-down-on-its-africans/
You might consider taking your own advice to stringently comment on only the facts rather than following your emotional impulses.
I’m here because I enjoy the networked blogosphere that extends from “In Mala Fide”, even if I vehemently disagree with a select portion of it.
If you were to look at my digital footprint across these various sites you would see that the scope of my commentary goes well beyond just “sticking a thumb in the eye of racist whites”.
Also worth noting — Obsidian is capable of statements of unabashed irrational racism as any other here:
http://sagatsays.wordpress.com/2011/01/11/thailand-cracks-down-on-its-africans/#comment-1696
AlekNovy,
Your moniker sounds familiar. Nase li si dete?
ATBOTL,
Most the people who criticize white nationalists on the internet are white nationalists who don’t want to admit it.
There’s more than a bit of truth to this. I wouldn’t say they’re necessarily “WNs” though. But you’d be correct to guess that their own racial feelings equal or even exceed those of the people they are criticizing.
What, in my opinion, is occurring is that these people are content to feel the way they do, and to allow their feelings to inform their life decisions (particularly important ones, like where to live, who to marry) but blunt expressions of white racial…what…pride or self-preference or grievance, or any of these things…sometimes go “too far” and that tends to jolt them and they often find themselves reacting against them, as if to prove to themselves that, “Hey, I’m no peecee nancy boy, but I don’t feel like that about other groups!” I wonder if this doesn’t come as a relief to them; you know, “Phew, those guys, they’re the real racists!”
No point deploring this effect. It’s just part of the terrain and will have to be navigated around along with everything else.
I laugh every time some joker complains about “miscegenation.” Interracial marriage rates in the U.S. are so low they’re practically nonexistent. According to the Census Bureau (Table FG4), the largest group of interracial marriages, between white men and Asian women, accounts for a grand total of 530,000 marriages. In a country of 300 million people, that amounts to a drop in the bucket. The white race isn’t going extinct because Sally the Seacow is shacking up with Tyrone the Thug, or because Ned the Nerd is getting his two-inch knob polished by Lin Ming Chung – it’s going extinct because whites aren’t marrying and having kids, period.
It’s not a case of either/or. It’s going extinct because it’s not replacing itself. But what will ultimately finish it off is mixing.
The thing is, it takes so long to occur it’s all but impossible to inspire action on this basis. Look at you, for example. Clearly you’re not so stupid that you can’t understand the reasoning (it’s only small now, but year after year, decade after decade, a 3% rate becomes a 13% rate becomes a 30% rate and by then it’s too late) and yet it’s all so distant it may as well be non-existent to you.
Speaking for myself, I’m not particularly impressed by most things I hear WNs saying. But this one, the realization that multiracialism can’t last, that mixing is inevitable, was the game-changing realization for me. If multiracialism is going to destroy your own kind, then surely it’s worth asking just how good is the experience of it is, in order to judge whether it’s so wonderful that it justifies the price it exacts.
So how wonderful is it? Well, FB, on how many occasions in all your years on this earth has the presence of a nigger or niggers improved the quality of whatever activity you were engaging in? And on how many occasions did the presence of a nigger or niggers detract from it? [One could -- and should -- ask blacks the same thing, "in reverse."] These are the “wonders” of multiracialism for which racial extinction is a bargain-basement price to pay? Can I rest my case certain in the knowledge that I’ve made my point?
Obviously in today’s world multiracialism goes way beyond merely blacks. Part of the difficulty in applying the argument I just made is that so many whites are “okay with” asians, hindoos, mesos, muslims etc because, essentially, these people are not blacks, so whatever problems arise from their presence are excused because “at least they’re not as bad as blacks.”
I don’t know that “WN” is the solution. I’ll leave that to the people it’s targeted at to decide. But, like you, I’ve taken the time to understand where they’re coming from and what they want. I don’t know about you, but I’ve decided that these are people I can work with. And I’m certain there are millions upon millions of others like me in America. Not interested in/not a part of “WN,” but desirous of something similar for themselves — not necessarily “perfect” homogeneity, but “more” homogeneity; not necessarily “total” authority, but “more” authority; not necessarily the “highest” social standards, but “higher” social standards; not necessarily “hyper” group consciousness, but group consciousness; not necessarily a culture that does “nothing but” affirm group belonging, but a culture that does affirm group belonging. Do I need to go on, or are you feelin’ me?
As I read this essay the thought that kept crossing my mind was “when is this author going to tell us something that we WNists don’t already know”? One of the main goals of WNism is to find solutions to these various problems. White Nationalists have understood for decades that White people are their own worst enemy. This isn’t news to anyone in our circles. Without blaming Jews, Revilo P Oliver was writing about the travesty of White fratricidal wars and the related genetic loss in the 1950s/1960s.
Some people here need to spend more time studying serious WNist discourse before commenting. And certainly anyone here who is curious about WNism should not let the critics of WNism on this site shape their perceptions of what WNism is, what WNist know and don’t know, and what they want. There are few genuinely honest critics of WNism. Virtually all of them peddle lies, half truths and distortions.
WNism is about helping White people. It is about White survival and White self-determination. WNists would like to see you, your family and your descendants flourish. If you care about those things, then WNism is for you. If you don’t, then it isn’t.
@lew
wns have been so successfully demonized by Western Socialist Government States, that even white people hate them in a purely reactionary response.
So much so, that wns are the only out group that in groups are officially and publicly encouraged to despise. Even Muslims who left a giant smoldering hole in NYC are treated more favorably – by whites.
What I find frustrating is how the outright majority of criticisms of White Nationalism begin with an inaccurate definition of White Nationalism for something entirely beside the point of whether or not White Americans should be afforded the right to sovereignty and self-determination.
I wouldn’t be surprised if there were an article condemning White Nationalists (and, by extension, White Nationalism) for frying bacon in their underwear.
Silver, it’s weird to me that the mixing is what alarms you most of all. That’s something that I would associate with the basest of white supremacist types.
I would imagine that for most race-conscious people, what bothers them more is the fact that they realize they’re going to have share their country with huge amounts of people from other races, changing its character forever.
Tell me, if mixing is so inevitable, why are there yet tawny haired people in the Atlas Mountains? Why are there dark-skinned, round-eyed men on one side of the Himalayas and light-skinned, slant-eyed men on the other side?
Somebody please help me out. Serious question. I am not a regular reader and just realized this site defines itself as opposed to multiculturalism, feminism, pc lies and the reduction of society to the lowest levels of consumerism. The site also publishes Matt Parrott and Kievsky. Accordingly, I don’t get why the editor launched this attack on WNism when his site has goals in common with
WNism and publishes two excellent WNist authors. Anybody?
lew, that’s kind of a dumb question. you do realize there’s an entire blogosphere of NON-WN race blogs out there? why do you think they’re non-WN? hint: it’s not because they haven’t learned about WNism yet.
Yeah, I get there are non-WN race sites. I’m talking about this one. It strikes me as odd that an editor/site owner with such an extremely hostile stance toward WNism would publish MP and K.
Silver, it’s weird to me that the mixing is what alarms you most of all. That’s something that I would associate with the basest of white supremacist types.
I think the word “alarms” here is key. If you sort of imagine me totally freaking out at seeing a mixed couple walking down the street or something, then I can see why you’d associate this reaction with “basest white supremacism.” I used to have the same reaction. In fact, when I first stumbled across SF in another lifetime (so it feels) it was one of the things I couldn’t wrap my head around at all. You’d see people (especially people I never thought would care about mixing, like Greeks and Italians) posting pics of their women with negroes and complaining about it in most intemperate terms and I just couldn’t get what the hell there was to be even upset about, let alone “alarmed” by.
So it’s certainly not that I’m freaked out or “repulsed” by the practise; or freaked out about the knowledge that someone is “mixed” (or that I myself am, in fact, in common with so many of my kind, I know am, in an “ancient” sense). It’s the knowledge of what, if left unchecked, it is all going to lead to that find unsettling — extinction, total extinction of anyone that I could, today, recognize as “one of my kind.” It’s raises existential concerns, frankly. The question that keeps popping up in my mind is what are we all “living towards”? Objectively, knowing what we know about the mixing process, we’re both “living towards” what is often called “panmixia” (and assured that it’s going to be splendid, simply splendid), and simultaneously “living away” from what the vast majority of people of my kind recognize — physically, visually — as our kind.
You can scoff at this — and God knows so many do — but the visual fact of race is such a huge part of how we identify those who belong to our group it seems to crazy to treat it as nothing important. It may not be all-important, the way it seems to be to certain WNs, particularly the fascistic “Aryan beauty” set (heavy duty intelligence being their twin obsession), but it’s something important. Sure, it’s possible to get false-positives. You may think someone’s part of your group but he verbally identifies himself as belonging to another. So you shrug your shoulders, okay, fine. But far from contradicting my point, it in fact illustrates its power. To use an example that (I think, correct me if I’m wrong) would be close to home for you: one of the reasons I’ve felt so positive towards Jews and Israel in the past is that to look at them/you is to more or less look at my own kind. Knowledge that we’ve been treated similarly and that those who hate you invariably also hate me comes into it too, of course. Even though those feelings have been weakened by learning that so many of the people spouting the most absurd race babble are Jews, they’re still there. It’s powerful stuff. And if taking a political stance on it is morally plausible, what good objection to doing so is there?
Lew,
I told Ferd that my passion is to round up all the racist White people into a special “containment zone” in the Northwest, then when he expressed concerns in private that my articles seemed to be pro-White, I accused him of not getting the joke, and suggested that he needed to look closer to find the irony. He’s too much of an insecure hipster to call my bluff.
It’s the knowledge of what, if left unchecked, it is all going to lead to that find unsettling — extinction, total extinction of anyone that I could, today, recognize as “one of my kind.”
I suppose that is true. On the other hand, as I said, your country, your political culture, your schools and your neighborhoods, would become unrecognizable a lot earlier than that.
So focusing on the more distant panmixia doomsday event seems a bit redundant.
one of the reasons I’ve felt so positive towards Jews and Israel in the past is that to look at them/you is to more or less look at my own kind
Yes, I’d like to think that there is an implicit understanding among Israeli Jews that the Italians, Greeks, etc are sort of similar to us, in appearance and temperament. The funny thing is that Israel has developed a Euro-Med-type culture almost by accident. That was not really the intention of its founders. We don’t really talk about these things here, though. Officially, Jews are Jews and we have nothing to do with anybody else – except that other Semites (meaning, Arabs) are considered to be deranged wayward cousins.
I would imagine that for most race-conscious people, what bothers them more is the fact that they realize they’re going to have share their country with huge amounts of people from other races, changing its character forever.
Well there’s that, too, of course. The process isn’t evidently much to enjoy either. It’d be one thing if it were as joyous as the diversity propaganda says it is. I think it has its occasional delights. It’s certainly not all bad news. But, to repeat my question, does it justify the price it exacts? I would answer that it doesn’t even come close — and so, distasteful as I think they are, I find myself agreeing with WN types who want to “do something” about it (mindful always of the need to be prepared to defend oneself against possible excesses).
Tell me, if mixing is so inevitable, why are there yet tawny haired people in the Atlas Mountains? Why are there dark-skinned, round-eyed men on one side of the Himalayas and light-skinned, slant-eyed men on the other side?
For the same reason that a marathon runner at the 15 mile mark is at the 15 mile mark — he hasn’t completed the circuit yet.
There are numerous factors that can impede the mixing process. The simple refusal to mix is an obvious one. But what we know of history is that people occupying the same territory will eventually mix. As determined to resist that a parent may be, he or she simply can’t guarantee the offspring will feel the same way. Of course, “territories” are, in some sense, fictions. Powerful fictions, with all the force of law and arms behind them, but fictions nonetheless. All that is required to prove this is the penetration of outsiders that has occurred since time immemorial. Once they’re in, at some point mixing will occur. Guaranteed.
I suppose I’m again sounding harsh, absolutist, and supremacist. It’s not my intention. It’s just that the facts need to be laid out because so much of the discussion takes place in rank ignorance of them.
Take the average loony leftie approach to “territory.” They’ll thunderously agree that it’s all one big lie. It’s just an arbitrary line in the dirt. Get rid of it. We’re all one big planet. Then they hear suggestions like mine, or other separatists, who want to leave as much of the existing order intact as possible (because we consider it basically good) but want to rearrange the way we live within that system with respect to who is who and who lives around whom, and then all of a sudden the concept of borders roars back to life. “Hey, this is Canada! And within these inviolate borders no one gets to tamper with the sacred legal prohibition on drawing qualitative distinctions between the various subgroups of the general populace. Not now, not ever!”
then when he expressed concerns in private
Well, it isn’t private anymore. WTF, man.
Uh, didn’t the Xhosa and Zulu fight wars? Yet no one would doubt their solidarity against white South Africans (yes, there were some minor tensions that the old SA government tried to exploit — we see how that worked out). Likewise, the Japanese and Chinese and Koreans absolutely hate each other, until they get to the US and form Asian-American voting blocks that fight against anything that, say, might change their advantage in getting into our top universities.
So it is absurd to believe that white nationalism is an oxymoron here, in North America. And it is absurd historically. After all, the founding generation allowed naturalization only to ‘free white citizens’, the first militia law required service from ‘free white males’, the good unionists and abolitionists of Oregon actually forbid the settling of blacks in their state in their first constitution, etc etc. That is, the founding generation, most of the framing generation, most of just about everyone white in American history was an implicit white nationalist up until 1960 or so.
I suppose that is true. On the other hand, as I said, your country, your political culture, your schools and your neighborhoods, would become unrecognizable a lot earlier than that.
So focusing on the more distant panmixia doomsday event seems a bit redundant.
It’s important that all aspects of the issue are discussed. Otherwise the temptation will be to simply end immigration and leave it at that. That’s what happened in America in the 20s. They succeeded in slowing down immigration (they didn’t even actually end it) and they thought they were safe.
These can be difficult things to discuss. If you want to help make it easier to discuss them then you have to discuss them. Otherwise the issues get left to the far white right, who’ll only continue to poison them.
Silver, stari momak. Where the heck are ya guys from?
Likewise, the
Japanese andChineseand Koreansabsolutely hate each other“Where the heck are ya guys from?”
Svugdje i nigdje
Ya it’s obvious you’re either hr/sr, but this silver guy sounds like he’s from MK.
This blog entry and comments thread shows why I think the format is inferior to a forum. I think the format encourages this kind of “proclamation” and then lots of heated reactions. Very little light shed on anything, frankly. But emotions run hot!
I don’t think you get really deep discussion out of blog entries, or dueling blog arguments, and definitely not out of instantly evaporating comments that cannot lead anywhere because of their lack of organization.
True, but others also successfully present the view that it is forums that lead to disorganization.
Until a new, innovative forum is created, the weaknesses inherent to each are what define them best.
Silver, stari momak. Where the heck are ya guys from?
Mangan’s has a post about this post. They appear to be from there.
What’s “mangan’s”? Google doesn’t find anything.
This blog entry and comments thread shows why I think the format is inferior to a forum. I think the format encourages this kind of “proclamation” and then lots of heated reactions. Very little light shed on anything, frankly. But emotions run hot!
You’re correct, to a point. But a blog can remain topical in a way that forums really can’t (or don’t). If the posting frequency isn’t too great then people will make the effort to engage in serious discussion. This depends greatly on the blog, of course. I like FB’s blog a lot. He takes some very serious issues and makes them more accessible to ‘normal’ people who may otherwise feel intimidated by the subject matter. But this does have the effect encouraging more snark than is healthy or useful. (Some is always good, though; even necessary, when you consider some of the pretentious pinheads who pervade HBD/race talk.)
IHTG,
Yes, I’d like to think that there is an implicit understanding among Israeli Jews that the Italians, Greeks, etc are sort of similar to us, in appearance and temperament. The funny thing is that Israel has developed a Euro-Med-type culture almost by accident. That was not really the intention of its founders. We don’t really talk about these things here, though. Officially, Jews are Jews and we have nothing to do with anybody else – except that other Semites (meaning, Arabs) are considered to be deranged wayward cousins.
Ethnicity — or the sense of ethnic belonging — has a way of clouding the relatedness we have to others. This is why I’m a racialist (which I should hope goes without saying really is rather distinct from a “racist” — who just “hates everybody”). Ethnic belonging is where we feel the most intimate social feelings, and in saying I’m a “racialist” I don’t mean to suggest ethnicity should be totally neglected. I just think ethnicity’s perspective needs to be broadened. This occurs automatically in the diaspora, but it requires explication of the effect in order to solidify it. Nobody needed to directly instruct me that, say, Italians (particularly the southern variety, although far too much is made of the divide) are similar to me. It was visually obvious and friends’ parents mistakenly addressing me in Italian only confirmed it. Same thing with Jews. I can’t begin to tell you how many could pass for my own mother. However much sense fighting with and hating people so obviously similar to oneself might have once made, it’s suicidal in the globalized world we live in. Regardless of how different the related ethnic group’s “ways” are, and regardless of the sense of alienation it’s possible to feel when one isn’t properly part of it, these “ways” are vastly more likely to be related to one’s own ethnicity than the ways of people halfway across the world, and, if there is the will, they can always be learned or incorporated. Furthermore, HBD today informs that those ways are likely to be similar at least partly for hereditary reasons, which to my way of thinking only strengthens the case for racialism, or at least racialism+ethnicity (rather than the latter alone).
Now, if that all sounds reasonable enough, the next question is how can it be achieved politically? This, to me, is where “WN” comes into it. It’s not because I have much interest in it per se (it’s mostly a germanic/northwest european sort of thing, and quite rightly), but because something of that sort is required to get the ball rolling. WN, once it moves beyond a handful of more rational ideologues, very quickly becomes insanity squared. Of course, any political position can be reduced to mockery if one judges it by the statements of its lesser lights, but I’ve found nothing that can compare to the astonishing nonsense one encounters in WN.
Aleknovy,
I’m mixed, Serb/Greek. But I’ve lived in MK and am actually more familiar with it than the others.
Mangan: http://mangans.blogspot.com/
I completely agree. Those women are gorgeous, My issue with the earlier post about the marginal white male male was that it equated race-mixing with nihilism. Race-mixing isn’t nihilistic, it has meaning. In my case, I can run better game and have better sex with black women. I’m not a self-loathng white, I just like what I like.
Silver I’m surprised you recognized my “moniker” is all, coz I dont participate in Balkan Internet sphere at all.
You got a blog if your own I can visit?
I love this blog post: it points out why white nationalism is a total failure.
I disagree with some of its methods and assertion. First, the historical record; Nordic civilizations were clearly very advanced before they even arrived in northern lands, but they were not record-keepers and so most of this is lost. But as we’re finding out with the archaeological digs in the Caucasus, Ukraine, China and Western Europe, what we think of as Nordic-Vikings already had a long history before the pre-modern era. It looks like about 8,000 years of an advanced culture with advanced beliefs, but an aversion to writing things down or making permanent (non-wood) monuments. There is probably a cultural/spiritual reason for that insistence on transience.
Second, I disagree with the concept of white unity being an illusion. Yes, Southern/Eastern and Western Europe are radically different. You will not find unity there. Most other conflicts are from the past 1,000 years and involve the nation-state more than the underlying population. The Western Europeans (English, German, Scotts, Dutch, Scandi, some French) have more in common than they lack.
Finally, I disagree that race-mixing is a positive thing and that it can be decided by “those women are gorgeous.” There are biological and cultural reasons why it’s a stupid idea.
However, I love the takedown of white nationalism. It is a dogmatic political movement with no concept of — ANYTHING — beyond its somewhat cartoonish Day of the Rope + Holocaust II. It has nothing to offer the average citizen, or even the above-average. It promises chaos, violence, destruction, murder and horror, and then maybe they’ll balance the budget… on a pile of corpses. No thanks. And the normal American or European also says no thanks.
That being said, nationalist and social conservative feelings are rising across the board. I am glad for this, but I want them to adopt my biggest issue, which is environmental conservation. I’d love to read an FB or AD (or Simon Rierdon, a new favorite) critique on that issue.
Arab nationalism unlike WN, was not an ethnic racial ideology, it was a political one, since Arabs show a huge ethnic variation.
I agree, life goes on even if the US succumbed to its financial problems someone will take its place.
@Firepower
wn Is a dead end get over it.
Excellent article. Wn don’t see their paradoxes and ironies since the vast majority of them are socially illiterate and mentally challenged, just take a stroll on their premier site; storm front.
Wn are unrealistic, they live in a fantasy world.
You are undoubtedly correct that whites can blame themselves for letting the Jews lead them down the primrose path. But if you really think that miscegenation is a good thing, you have a screw loose. Whites are about the only people on earth who care about the truth, even partially. So if you thimk that the truth will survive the end of whiteness, think again.
“Tyrone the thug”.
“I sympathise with white nationalists”
“Suicidal multi-cultural liberals”
“[I'm not against white nationalism because it's racist, I'm against it because it's irrational brah!]”
“Big throbbing zit of Quebec” (in the comments)
Seriously, stop watching faux news and read a book. The white privilege here is fucking oozing. Might want to start with Richard Wright, you need to feel goddam White guilt – douchebag.
Seriously, stop watching faux news and read a book.”
Strawman.
Might want to start with Richard Wright, you need to feel goddam White guilt – douchebag.
Why? Did the whites prevent the blank slate beginnings of peace and equality from “naturally” progressing? Are they preventing “equality” and peace now?
You actually need to “read a book” But that won’t work anyway. You’re intellectual shortcomings are congenital. That is part of the human condition: all men are not rational by design.
Josh is another fine opportunity for censorship.
The side that censors the best wins the best.
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