Thanks for Donating, and the Direction of In Mala Fide

by Ferdinand Bardamu on April 3, 2011

in Blog News

The fundraiser is over, my donation goals having been met with a total of $1,018.49 as of 5:37 am EST this morning. Thanks to everyone who helped out.

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Unfortunately, more pressing matters have come up. With the glut of race-related posts in the past week, many of you have expressed concern over the supposed direction of the blog, referring to In Mala Fide as “Occidental Dissent 2.0” and “a WN blog.” IHTG sums up the problem:

I admit that, their anti-semitism notwithstanding, I have some sympathy for the white nationalists.
However, regardless of the veracity of their arguments, the sudden influx of the whole sanctimonious “Mindweapon” crowd has irrevocably changed the character of this blog.
I miss the old anarchic, videogames-and-babes, don’t-give-a-fuck In Mala Fide.

I admit to screwing up by publishing so many race realist articles into a short period of time. Fear not though, for I have a post coming tomorrow morning that will skewer myths of the White Uber Alles folks and cause major butthurt. Utilizing the power of facts and four-letter words, I will remind you just who runs this joint. In Mala Fide will remain an anarchic, degenerate, don’t-give-a-fuck dive bar of a blog if I have to beat the racial consciousness out of you. All of you.

{ 47 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Hooligan Harry April 3, 2011 at 10:39 pm

I have been lurking and only posting on the odd occasion for a very long time. I would like to say though that this is a little unfounded. Its rare to see any rational arguments that are made from a pro white perspective and for some reason a small dose of shaming is enough to push it back?

Amazing how race related discussion has only become an issue once whites were speaking a little more freely!

90% of your reader profile is probably white. Perhaps catering to that instead of a small minority that will bitch about everything they see as defamatory (and if its pro white you can bet your ass they have a problem with it) maybe consider keeping the status quo.

Its good to see PEOPLE speaking their minds, regardless of skin colour or the need to be politically correct

2 T April 3, 2011 at 10:46 pm

So were going to get a “why bother pt: 2″ type article again?

3 Ray Manta April 3, 2011 at 11:04 pm

90% of the reader profile may be white, but that doesn’t mean they’re white nationalists. And his forum was doing fine before without them using it as a bully pulpit.

Ferdinand – Bravo. The sooner your website returns to its degenerate, anarchic, I-don’t-give-a-fuck roots, the better.

4 Ferdinand Bardamu April 3, 2011 at 11:15 pm

Hooligan Harry:

Amazing how race related discussion has only become an issue once whites were speaking a little more freely!

I blame my own scheduling screwups. Most of my audience is ambivalent to white nationalism at best, and hostile at worst, and ramming it down their throats was a bad move. A number of people I respect greatly have protested what they think is the new direction of the site, and harsher measures are needed to allay their fears. I’m not throwing the WNs overboard, because I sympathize with them. I’m just reminding them – and everyone else – that they don’t run the show. (Same goes for the other groups.) IMF will NOT become like Majority Rights or The Occidental Observer, because I won’t let it.

T:

So were going to get a “why bother pt: 2″ type article again?

No. I’m all for “racism”. My viewpoint on this issue can be summed up like such:

1) White nationalism is doomed, because it’s multiculturalism for the melanin-deprived and focused on the wrong targets. Plus, the declining numbers of whites in Western countries is kind of a problem too.

2) Most rank-and-file white nationalists are jerks more concerned with hating non-whites and fantasizing about a Day of the Rope that will never come than actually loving their people and trying to help them.

I wrote a lot about this around this time a year ago, so nothing I say in this regard should come as a shock to longtime readers.

BTW, Max intended that article to be tongue-in-cheek. It’s your fault you didn’t get the joke.

5 Proph April 3, 2011 at 11:16 pm

Fear not though, for I have a post coming tomorrow morning that will skewer myths of the White Uber Alles folks and cause major butthurt. Utilizing the power of facts and four-letter words, I will remind you just who runs this joint. In Mala Fide will remain an anarchic, degenerate, don’t-give-a-fuck dive bar of a blog if I have to beat the racial consciousness out of you. All of you.

This white guy’s looking forward to it!

6 sofia April 3, 2011 at 11:21 pm

i think you should blog more about your personal life. i remember when your blog first came into being; you haven’t broken character since. ever so stoic and business-minded. now at you! mr. blog tycoon. (wasn’t i the first one to link you??)

7 svar April 3, 2011 at 11:24 pm

@ Hooligan Harry

There’s a difference between being pro-white/anti RAW and being white nationalist. I’m pretty sure most of In Mala Fide’s white readership is the former.

8 George April 3, 2011 at 11:47 pm

A-fucking-men.

9 Xamuel April 3, 2011 at 11:53 pm

White nationalism: because we can’t have the lower classes uniting… gotta keep ‘em fighting one another so they’ll never wake up and aim those torches and pitchforks at the REAL bad guys.

Seriously, I read the blog for a dose of red pill, the white nationalism stuff is toxic blue pill :P

10 c-bama April 4, 2011 at 12:20 am

you back awesome! congrats at the fund raising.

11 Rick April 4, 2011 at 12:21 am

Most rank-and-file white nationalists are jerks more concerned with hating non-whites and fantasizing about a Day of the Rope that will never come than actually loving their people and trying to help them.

I doubt that WN has much of a “rank and file.” They’re not highly organized, except for the chapters set up by Hal Turner and his ilk.

As for fantasizing about a Day of the Rope, a lot of folks are fantasizing about the collapse of the current status quo, not any kind of vengeance. You have linked to “collapse: the blog” in the past, which is basically a whole blog devoted about looking forward to the collapse of the status quo. Does that qualify as a “Day of the Rope” fantasy, in your opinion?

the white nationalism stuff is toxic blue pill

That appears to be false. Here’s a proof.

1. Kievsky is a white nationalist.
2. Kievsky mostly posts about how to run a small farm and repair appliances.
3. Some white nationalism is concerned with farming and tool repair.
4. Farming and tool repair are not toxic blue pill.
5. Some white nationalism is not toxic blue pill.

You’re free to pick apart that logic – you should be well-equipped to do so, with your math Ph.D.

12 Rick April 4, 2011 at 12:29 am

Comment #3:
http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/04/01/the-new-york-times-wedding-and-celebrations-page-behold-the-modern-mindweapons/

I never advocate violence, extermination or elimination of anybody. I believe that Nature will take care of this, and it is not for us to make the decision to kill people.

It is our duty to survive the bottleneck, however. Forget the hot lead and cold steel. This is Nature’s War, and she will do the killing. It is our obligation to survive and help OUR racial heirs to survive this bottleneck.

I’m not seeing anything in the quoted text that I could call “toxic blue pill.”

Further, Matt Parrott in comment 22 wrote:

What nullpointer is trying to explain to you is that your identity group can’t be coherently defined and doesn’t exist, unless it’s being disparaged or blamed for something. Then it self-evidently exists for to the extent that a couple anecdotal instances of White people making asses of themselves can be pinned to it.

And if White people did exist, they would be making a grave error by excluding gifted and tall people who are non-White, not that nullpointer himself would stoop to joining the identity group if it both existed and invited him.

I’m not seeing any toxic blue pill there either. Maybe I’m still caught in the Matrix.

13 Pat Hannagan April 4, 2011 at 12:40 am

In Mala Fide will remain an anarchic, degenerate, don’t-give-a-fuck dive bar of a blog if I have to beat the racial consciousness out of you. All of you.

I’ll be very much interested to see how you convince me not to be aware of the racial discrimination against my White children.

I’ll get my 2 cents in before you make the attempt and state that WN racial consciousness isn’t something dreamed up nor being imposed on other non-aware Whites. My own nation’s laws identify Whites, as do your own, as a group of people to be discriminated against via affirmative action programmes, racial vilification laws, minority quotas, race based scholarships and awards, wealth transfer via taxation from White to non-Whites etc. Becoming aware that you are being discriminated against because you are White is not something I think you can talk us out of. Simply because our racial consciousness as an inferior and historically evil people is mandated as a daily reality by our governments, MSM and education system.

I deal with tenders where it is explicitly stated all the various minority groups that must be incorporated should you hope to succeed in your tender response. Government is extending it’s vice like anti-White grip further and further now into the private sphere. Corporations themselves are merely a “free market” extension of the public service, having completely handed over how they should be incorporated to the dictates of government.

WNs go to jail because of their beliefs yet you will somehow attempt to beat race consciousness out of me? If you truly want to be a “degenerate” then walk a mile in a WNs shoes. Now that’s non-conformity.

btw, I hope you don’t use the “White Uber Alles” false stereotype to buttress your argument. There are very few WNs who take a White Supremacist position. That White nations have been historically supreme is a matter of fact, but the great majority of WNs don’t argue that we are the Uber people. We are our people and wish to remain that way. White Uber Alles is a strawman that even the MSM is starting to realise won’t be accepted as a legitimate rebuttal to our demands to be heard.

14 Ferdinand Bardamu April 4, 2011 at 12:43 am

Xamuel:

Seriously, I read the blog for a dose of red pill, the white nationalism stuff is toxic blue pill :P

I would categorize white nationalism as 1/3 red pill and 2/3 blue pill. There’s a lot of good stuff and a lot of retarded crap. Frankly though, I’m starting to think the same of MRAs, game and everything else.

Rick:

I doubt that WN has much of a “rank and file.” They’re not highly organized, except for the chapters set up by Hal Turner and his ilk.

I’m talking along the lines of blog commenters, namely the ones who have swung by these parts lately.

You have linked to “collapse: the blog” in the past, which is basically a whole blog devoted about looking forward to the collapse of the status quo. Does that qualify as a “Day of the Rope” fantasy, in your opinion?

No, I’m talking about stuff like this:

Another option is fighting anti-white discrimination, stopping immigration, and encouraging nonwhites to leave White countries. The founding fathers, and even the Great Emancipator, had no problem advocating the deportation of blacks. They are guests or parasites here and Whites are their hosts. This is NOT their home, in the same way that if I moved to China and had children that China would not be their home.

Admittedly, goldenfetus isn’t talking genocide. But most WNs seem like, if they wouldn’t go down that route, they wouldn’t discourage it either.

Getting rid of non-whites and Jews could be accomplished easily and without bloodshed by paying them to go back to their homelands. Cut every single emancipated adult and family a check for $50,000 (adjusted upward or downward based on their yearly net income) and toss in language-learning lessons to boot and 90 percent of them will take you up on the offer. Yeah, it’d cost you some money, but what’s a few hundred million for the Judenfrei white ethnostate? It’s either this or the Day of the Rope, and an aging white population who tries to pull that on a youthful non-white population will go down hard, nevermind the ethical implications. The truly genocidal lunatics like Alex Linder are the only people who acknowledge this.

To my knowledge, the only person in the alt-right blogosphere who’s suggested something like this is Brett Stevens, and he’s not a white nationalist. Most WNs seem to subscribe to the Underpants Gnome Theory of Societies:

1) Promote white advocacy and racial consciousness
2) ?????
3) White ethnostate!

At worst, they are genocidal. At best, they’re clueless. If your movement consists of shooting everyone who doesn’t look like you, it’s not going to work, and no one with a moral bone in their body will support it.

15 Ferdinand Bardamu April 4, 2011 at 12:47 am

Pat:

I’ll be very much interested to see how you convince me not to be aware of the racial discrimination against my White children.

It was hyperbole. Everything I write should be taken with a wink and a nod. Don’t worry, I’m not joining the anti-white, multicultural hordes. But neither am I going to sign off on everything “pro-White” just because it happens to call itself “pro-White.” The same goes for “pro-male” and “pro-middle class” stuff too.

16 Ferdinand Bardamu April 4, 2011 at 12:49 am

I should also add, to my comment to Rick, that the problem of blacks in America can’t be solved with deportation. We brought them here as slaves, we deracinated them and destroyed any connections they had to their African heritage, and we can’t wash our hands of those sins so easily. Liberia was a failure, so we have to come up with something else.

17 Pat Hannagan April 4, 2011 at 1:01 am

I’m a big fan of hyperbole that’s for sure but, gotta keep it real as well.

Just listen to all the squeals from all the little piggies as soon as a White man speaks in his own defense. And I thought these commenters were sticking it to “society” with their Game prowess and swinging dicks. Sounds to me more like a bunch of school girls frightened by the flasher outside the school fence.

It’s real people. Big, fat, ugly and hairy with a pair of ‘em hanging low. Get on board or get out of the way.

18 paige April 4, 2011 at 1:26 am

I should also add, to my comment to Rick, that the problem of blacks in America can’t be solved with deportation. We brought them here as slaves, we deracinated them and destroyed any connections they had to their African heritage, and we can’t wash our hands of those sins so easily. Liberia was a failure, so we have to come up with something else.

I am glad to see someone mention this important fact.

I would do it, but being as that I am a female in semi-hostile territory I generally try to mind my p’s and q’s (sorta).

19 Ryu April 4, 2011 at 1:31 am

I’m not impressed either. A few readers complain that they will leave and all this fine talk of anarchy goes out the window. Not very “tolerant”. Men ought to be made of sterner stuff. Or maybe this “alpha” talk is just to impress the women.

20 Castle Doctrine April 4, 2011 at 1:41 am

Anti-white racism is the most common form of racism in America, practiced by our government, universities, corporations and media. If you’re a white man in America and that doesn’t bother you, then you’re an idiot.

21 Ray Manta April 4, 2011 at 2:34 am

Castle Doctrine April 4, 2011 at 1:41 am
Anti-white racism is the most common form of racism in America, practiced by our government, universities, corporations and media. If you’re a white man in America and that doesn’t bother you, then you’re an idiot.

Your statements imply that it’s really anti-white male racism, which isn’t quite the same thing. Yes, it bothers me, since I happen to be a white male.

22 Ryu April 4, 2011 at 2:37 am

A real commitment to intellectual freedom and debate includes an acceptance that people will be offended.

I literally see this everyday. Science progresses by the breaking down and destruction of incorrect theories. I’ve seen graduate students cry at oral defences. If a man can’t take some disagreement, boy, he’s going to have a hard time of it in this life.

In fact, it has been our hesitance to make hard decisions, that will offend certain people, that has lead to the situation of today. Our little blog here is the world writ small.

23 Castle Doctrine April 4, 2011 at 3:19 am

Your statements imply that it’s really anti-white male racism, which isn’t quite the same thing. Yes, it bothers me, since I happen to be a white male.

Well, most white women don’t seem to give a shit, they live in their own little world where they jump up and down and say “yay! omg! yay!”, so I left them out of it.

Well, not all white women. Like this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-_6wwHpAr8

24 Ray Manta April 4, 2011 at 3:38 am

Castle Doctrine wrote:
Well, most white women don’t seem to give a shit, they live in their own little world where tahey jump up and down and say “yay! omg! yay!”, so I left them out of it.

Well, guess why most don’t give a shit – could be because they’re not discriminated against. Their attitude may bite them in the ass later
on when they wonder why there are no “quality men” around who meet
their 128-point checklist but at the moment they think everything is
hunki-dori.

25 Kievsky April 4, 2011 at 5:13 am

Xamuel April 3, 2011 at 11:53 pm

White nationalism: because we can’t have the lower classes uniting… gotta keep ‘em fighting one another so they’ll never wake up and aim those torches and pitchforks at the REAL bad guys.

@Xamuel,

The “lower classes uniting” across racial lines is an unworkable fantasy. At best this could happen temporarily to overthrow a government, but then you are stuck with a multiracial society where you have to keep the civilization going.

The fact is, the races differ in ability, initiative and willingness to work, particularly the difference between blacks and whites and blacks and East Asians. This difference makes it impossible to do the complex work of maintaining modern civilization AND having racial equality. The only way blacks can take part in maintaining modern civilization is if they were subordinated, or if they ride for free like we have now with welfare and massive government sinecures for blacks working for the federal and state government. Neither of these situations is desirable or sustainable.

We will not make progress until Whites are allowed the same sovereignty, separation and independence that the Chinese have in China and the Japanese in Japan and the Koreans in Korea.

If the economy continues to contract, and we don’t get any more BOOMS or BUBBLES, then Whites will get serious and realize that we can’t afford multiracialism any more. That White solidarity is the ONLY WAY FORWARD, because we have to cooperate to survive (once again), and we cooperate best with those who are like unto us.

26 Lovekraft April 4, 2011 at 6:37 am

Definitely looking forward to you putting this issue into proper perspective, Ferd. It is clouded with Political Correctness and emotion which renders any proper discussion unattainable. Your take will be a breath of fresh air.

27 goldenfetus April 4, 2011 at 6:47 am

Admittedly, goldenfetus isn’t talking genocide.

Honestly, it’s the opposite. I’m advocating the prevention of the genocide of White people. Since this is your blog, if you don’t want the pro-White streak here I will, of course, respect that and leave. I’d like to make a few points first, however:

1) I believe there is enough evidence to make a solid, rational case that there is an international effort to reduce the number of White people in existence – to demographically conquer White lands – and that this constitutes literal genocide. White people have a natural right to defend themselves, and White Nationalism is the only method I know for defending Whites from high-fertility anti-white immigrants.

Current demographic trends guarantee the destruction of Whites as a people if they are not allowed the ability to exclude nonwhites from their communities. Our decline is exponential at this point: without drastic political changes our destruction is mathematically certain. Admittedly not in our lifetimes, but our generation may be the last with the power to make the changes necessary to secure a future for Whites

2) There is also an argument to be made that American Whites have an obligation to America Blacks and Indigenous Americans that has not been met, but there are mitigating factors that are not often considered. Blacks were originally sold into slavery by their own people, 99% of the blacks alive today were never subjected to the horrors they use to demonize Whites and claim victim status, and massive wealth redistribution from Whites to Blacks, coupled with Affirmative Actions, has more than made up for wrongs done to Blacks (on a collective basis). I support American Indian autonomy and perhaps giving them more land, but also recognize that the traditional narrative concerning historical interactions between Whites and Indians has been politically perverted. Either way, I do not believe there is any rational argument for allowing other racial groups access to America at the expense of Whites.

3) Acknowledged or not, the anomie and nihilism that our kind are grappling with is a direct result of the PC dystopia that took over the West in the 60s. Each of the movements born from the changes in that period – civil rights, feminism, anti-imperialism, multiculturalism, homosexual normalization, fat acceptance, etc – was specifically designed to crush the power of straight Whites males with traditional values. They have affected all of us, but White males most of all, and it’s by design. Prior to those movements Whites were 90% or more of America. Now we’re 65%, and live in an anti-male, anti-white moral wasteland. 4chan, anonymous, the Spearhead, and probably inmalafide are social antibodies deployed to fight that disease. Failing to recognize the racial front in the war the enemy wages against us is suicide. The purposelessness of our generation IS our great struggle, and basking in irreverence and moral degeneracy IS our defeat.

4) If you make an honest examination of the positions, I believe that in general you are going to find White nationalists arguing in good faith, while their detractors argue with hatred and resentment, in bad faith. Many White Nationalists, including myself, do not hate nonwhites, and simply want to be left in peace – to exist without being subjected to the hatred and parasitism of hostile tribes. I will go so far as to say that what hatred of nonwhites there is in the WN crowd is on average less than nonwhite hatred towards all Whites in general. Post a few articles about Black Nationalism or Chinese Nationalism, or whatever other variety there is, and I don’t think you’re going to find hysterical White people asserting that it is unreasonable for Blacks or Chinese to have their own countries. Post a WN article and you get a litany of anti-white canards, and people putting forth as self-evident the idea that multiculturalism and racial integration are divinely justified in all White lands. You’ll find people calling anyone that says Whites deserve self-determination racist KKK neo-nazi morons.

28 Matt Parrott April 4, 2011 at 7:02 am

Ferd wrote…

1) Promote white advocacy and racial consciousness
2) ?????
3) White ethnostate!

At worst, they are genocidal. At best, they’re clueless. If your movement consists of shooting everyone who doesn’t look like you, it’s not going to work, and no one with a moral bone in their body will support it.

Well, the thing is that once advocacy and consciousness reaches a critical mass, people have the will to defend and support their group interests. Early Zionism relied on the following formula…

1) Promote [Jewish] advocacy and [Jewish] consciousness
2) ?????
3) [Jewish] ethnostate!

And, fortunately for us, we don’t have our hearts set on the single shittiest, most highly-contested, most barren strip of land in the heart of enemy territory. So, in theory, our ????? should go a bit more smoothly than the Jewish ?????. The bottom line is there can be no ????? without the will to an ethnostate in the first place, so publicly waxing about ????? before there’s a groundswell of will is at best idle speculation and at worst fantasy distraction.

But I’m capable of discussing issues other than race and shall do so for a spell if the general consensus is that people are getting burned out on the topic.

29 IHTG April 4, 2011 at 7:27 am

Matt Parrott:
Zionism took decades to develop from a bizarre vanguardist movement (in the 1880′s) to something close to viable (by the 20′s and 30′s). Even then, it is likely that only the freak catastrophe of WW1+WW2 really made it possible. It was also made possible by the fact that Jews of the early 20th century had a fairly high fertility. It evolved at a time when the West was rife with nationalism and revolutions, combined with a more relaxed attitude towards conquest of territory and colonialism.
So, how many decades are you willing to wait? How much of everything we’re discussing now will even be relevant in 40 years?

30 Matt Parrott April 4, 2011 at 7:51 am

IHTG,

Zionism took decades to develop from a bizarre vanguardist movement…

Yup.

So, how many decades are you willing to wait?

There’s no reason to believe my vision is either right around the corner or impossible. Improbably stuff happens all the time. The notion the Ron Paul would be achieving what he’s now achieving would have provoked a hearty belly laugh just a few years ago. The notion that we would be having a national discussion about whether or not to arm Al Qaeda insurgents would have been dismissed as preposterous a few months ago.

I don’t claim to be a big expert on how history will unfold, but I do know enough to know that people who insist that it will continue on whatever its current trajectory is, indefinitely, without surprises and game changers, are always wrong.

I’m willing to wait about 40 more years, give or take a few depending on my lifestyle choices. Either you love your ethnic tribe and are willing to see them through this or not. This isn’t a logic game or a hobby for me. If the stakes are as high as I believe them to be, then the odds of victory are irrelevant. The hypothetical time-frame is irrelevant. Only victory and defeat are relevant.

Race, like oxygen, is one of those base things you don’t care much about, until there’s a boot on your neck depriving you of it. I’m tired of thinking about race, and would prefer to spend the last half of my life thinking about other things. To accomplish that, I’ve got to get this boot off the neck of my race.

31 Kievsky April 4, 2011 at 8:06 am

IHTG,

Don’t you think we are in for another century of upheavals? I do, particularly with the end of easy oil/cheap energy. And that will be YT’s chance.

I’m pretty confident we’ll take this chance. It’s almost as if the rulers are offending us as much as possible to make sure that we’ll be raging Berserkers when we do get our chance.

32 coldequation April 4, 2011 at 8:19 am

Xamuel says: White nationalism: because we can’t have the lower classes uniting… gotta keep ‘em fighting one another so they’ll never wake up and aim those torches and pitchforks at the REAL bad guys.

He seems to be implying that WN is some sort of capitalist plot to keep the lower classes down. In fact, WN gets zero funding or support from capitalists, and expressing any sort of opinion remotely close to WN is an excellent way to get fired from corporate America. Capitalists want interchangeable workers and big markets, and WN would not be helpful to them. Chamber of Commerce types have been instrumental in making sure that immigration law doesn’t get enforced (they were the ones who killed Russel Peirce’s initiatives in Arizona recently).

Sorry to let reality get in the way of a good story.

33 Alte April 4, 2011 at 8:25 am

I admit to screwing up by publishing so many race realist articles into a short period of time.

Race realists? No, just race reductionists. It’s not that I disagree with everything they say, but that they think what they say is the beginning and end of all discussion. They’re more intellectually limited than even us traditionalists, which severely weakens their argument.

Fear not though, for I have a post coming tomorrow morning that will skewer myths of the White Uber Alles folks and cause major butthurt.

It’s cruel to tease us like that. I was beginning to miss the days where your irreverent antagonism was more evenly-spread. The equal-opportunity mud-slinging was part of the charm of your blog.

Unlike the “race realists”, I’m all for equal-opportunity.

34 Kievsky April 4, 2011 at 8:36 am

@Coldequation,

The “racial unity for communism” argument goes back to Trotsky, and it’s very frequently deployed. But it’s also wrong.

The idea is that if poor whites and blacks and Latinos and Asians united against Capital, then we’d have a paradise.

1. Blacks whites Latinos Asians unite on a non-hierarchical basis.
2. ?????
3. Communist Utopia.

But because of differing temperaments, this “uniting” would not be on a racially equal basis. To get things done, you would once again have worker bees and bosses, which violates the founding premise of the whole thing!

Here’s a leftist who argues that black slaves were lazy, and that’s a good thing, and only Northern Europeans subscribed to a such thing as a “work ethic,” which in his view was a bad thing.

http://ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/4674

Now if this guy is not a racist, but is stating facts, then we can draw a conclusion from this that we cannot “unite” to build and maintain a civilization in a non-hierarchical and multiracial context. It is literally an impossibility.

35 Alte April 4, 2011 at 8:42 am

1) Promote white advocacy and racial consciousness
2) ?????
3) White ethnostate!

LOL. Yeah, that about sums it up. I actually got into a long debate about white hegemony on a different blog. I am, at worst, indifferent to the topic (for personal and geographical reasons), but when I noted that he’d either have to kill everyone who wasn’t white, throw them out of the country, or retreat to empty areas of the country…. he agreed.

Okay, next subject.

36 goldenfetus April 4, 2011 at 8:55 am

They’re more intellectually limited than even us traditionalists, which severely weakens their argument.

I do not think this is fair. What are you basing this on? I’ll respond to any good faith argument rationally and in good faith, so if you have a specific criticism please share it. Here is my position:

It is reasonable for Whites to demand self-determination, the right to exclude hostiles from their own communities and nations, that discrimination against Whites ceases in White countries, and that they be allowed to keep the fruits of their own labors without being subjected to forcible redistribution programs. These are basic, common sense demands that all other major races enjoy in at least one country, while Whites no longer enjoy them anywhere – excepting, perhaps, Russia – about which I am ignorant.

Unlike the “race realists”, I’m all for equal-opportunity.

Meaning the appeal of affirmative action, and merit-based selection for employment and education? Or meaning equal OUTCOMES?

37 goldenfetus April 4, 2011 at 8:56 am

I meant ‘repeal’

38 Pat Hannagan April 4, 2011 at 9:14 am

Okay, next subject. Got that all neatly packaged up to your reductionist heart’s content there I see Alte. I suppose that’s pretty easy when you’re a woman, grrrl powa shazam grrrrls can do anything!!!! Hear you roar! Wow x 100 and half Black – AA quota here we come singing on the public service chain gang, all together now…

To repeat Matt Parrott:

This isn’t a logic game or a hobby for me. If the stakes are as high as I believe them to be, then the odds of victory are irrelevant. The hypothetical time-frame is irrelevant. Only victory and defeat are relevant.

Perhaps next time you look over what is happening to the Whites in South Africa you might be able to spare a few moments quiet reflection on the Christ that dwells within them, as well as yourself. Perhaps you could also reflect that people such as myself and others have been brought up on the front of mass non-White immigration and we know a thing or two about what our future looks like unless we do something about it.

One more thing, inter-racial antagonism and violence does not and will not affect Whites alone. Here’s a nice little diversity story that might whet your sympathies. After all it’s Muslims up against Hindus with not a White in sight, right here at home in downtown Sydney Oztralia. A Hindu community under siege by Muslims.

The Sun-Herald is aware the ongoing feud has caused disquiet among some of the most senior police in western Sydney. In a rare move, details of the shooting were deliberately held back from the NSW police media unit through concern that publicity might inflame hostilities.

Can’t let the public know the facts about diversity now can we. Must keep them thinking it’s all White on non-White raaaaaaacsim and violence. Here’s a funny story Alte, top laughs mate I guarantee. There’s been a spate of targeted violence against Indians in Oz for some time now. Taxi driver bashings, 7-11 store beatings, train attacks etc. But guess what? The media promote it as White racism even though the perps are in the vast majority Pacific Islander or various Muslim ethnicities. Last I went to India every second man and his dog wanted to know about why we Whites hate the Indians so much. I told ya you’d laugh. I sure did.

Guess what, I grew up near that suburb that the Muslims, Asians, and Indians have over run. It’s an absolute shithole mate I’ve gotta tell ya. Girl my sister went to school with got raped and killed (her throat slashed) by a Vietnamese migrant. Shame really, cause that man could have been a doctor one day, if only we had given him better opportunities.

I take it personally Alte. Do Traditionalists understand that? Or is the Traditionalist form of Catholicism one where you get to absolve yourself of all responsibility?

39 Alte April 4, 2011 at 9:34 am

It is reasonable for Whites to demand self-determination, the right to exclude hostiles from their own communities and nations, that discrimination against Whites ceases in White countries, and that they be allowed to keep the fruits of their own labors without being subjected to forcible redistribution programs.

Right. This is what we can agree on, and I wrote about that here. The problem I have with WN is that they take things further to the goal of some sort of racial civil-war, which implies that hegemony is The Thing that we should all be fighting for. I fight for my faith first, and I’m not going to sell my soul in order to promote blond hair.

As FB noted: If your movement consists of shooting everyone who doesn’t look like you, it’s not going to work, and no one with a moral bone in their body will support it.

Furthermore, there are places that are overwhelmingly white (like Scandinavia or Eastern Europe), and I am singularly unimpressed by the results of white hegemony there. Feminism, atheism, liberalism, materialism, anti-traditionalism… it is the same as here, but with older people and less crime… and fewer blondes. If I wished to live in a place that is like that, I would live there, rather than here.

Meaning the appeal of affirmative action, and merit-based selection for employment and education? Or meaning equal OUTCOMES?

Obviously, the former. Equal outcomes requires unequal opportunity, as not everybody is the same.

40 goldenfetus April 4, 2011 at 10:15 am

Right. This is what we can agree on, and I wrote about that on my blog. The problem I have with WN is that they take things further to the goal of some sort of racial civil-war, which implies that hegemony is The Thing that we should all be fighting for.

Some of them do insist on hegemony, yes, but in general the ones I have personally interacted with want what I have said – essentially a new White republic. I respect that you put your faith first, though I do not, but I want to point out that race is deeper than hair and skin color. I stick to the non-aggression principle in my personal life, so I do not advocate violence outside of self defense. But I ask you – if nonwhites refuse to allow Whites self-determination – if they insist on what is essentially slavery – do Whites have a right to defend their freedom and existence violently?

Obviously, the former. Equal outcomes requires unequal opportunity, as not everybody is the same.

I apolize that my question was a bit snipish, for lack of a better word. When you say race realists don’t want equal opportunity, however, I think it’s unfair. The system we have now does not give Whites equal opportunity, and what I’ve seem race realists advocating is generally only an end to affirmative action, in that regard.

41 Alte April 4, 2011 at 10:28 am

But I ask you – if nonwhites refuse to allow Whites self-determination – if they insist on what is essentially slavery – do Whites have a right to defend their freedom and existence violently?

Good question. I don’t know the morality of that proposal, so I’ll have to bow out there. If you can prove that it is in keeping with Christian morality, and that whites are effectively slaves rebelling against their masters (as the colonists once rebelled against the British), I would consider support it. I have not yet seen any man make this proof, but I would be interested in seeing it.

I am not yet convinced that “non whites” are a monolithic group of anti-whites. I simply do not see the cultural split along solely racial lines, which is why it all leaves me rather blank.

The system we have now does not give Whites equal opportunity, and what I’ve seem race realists advocating is generally only an end to affirmative action, in that regard.

Which would not necessarily put whites at the top of the meritocratic heap. Those who have thought through the policy, advocate affirmative action for whites, rather than true equal-opportunity.

42 paige April 4, 2011 at 10:38 am

Most Whites feel more alliance to their particular sub-culture than they do Whites as a whole. I don’t see White Nationalism ever getting mainstream appeal because Whites have a stronger tribal alliance with those who share their opinions than those who share their skin color.

43 goldenfetus April 4, 2011 at 11:03 am

If you can prove that it is in keeping with Christian morality, and that whites are effectively slaves rebelling against their masters (as the colonists once rebelled against the British), I would consider support it. I have not yet seen any man make this proof, but I would be interested in seeing it.

My knowledge of Christian morality is anecdotal or second-hand at best, but I do believe Whites are effectively slaves in America. I think Europe and Australia have a ways to go before reaching that state, but they’re on their way. Consider that White Americans are not allowed to say anything vaguely pro-White without facing severe discrimination or ostracization, while nonwhites are encouraged to speak out in a manner that is essentially actual racism. That hatred towards Whites is institutionalized in government, education, and the media. Consider that it is illegal for Whites to exclude nonwhites from the businesses they own and the communities they build or to refuse to sell their personal property to them when it is for sale. Consider that the FBI routinely tracks, infiltrates, destroys, or discredits groups who have a favorable opinion of Whites.

And how about – thou shalt not steal? I believe that involuntary taxation is literally theft, and when Whites pay a disproportionate percentage of taxes, which disproportionately benefit nonwhites who are voting for more handouts, that it is institutionalized collective thievery. What is slavery if not unfree labor, and what is money if not the representation of the value created through labor? If I am required to spend a portion of my year working for the sole benefit of someone else (who probably hates me), with my only opt-out options being starvation or imprisonment, is that not slavery in a very real sense? Every year a portion of the fruits of the labor I perform for my own benefit is forcibly taken from me and given to nonwhites who flat out refuse to work – believing they are entitled to my money because of my race. And how about – thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, or his ass, etc? Take an honest look at nonwhites in America. Do you believe a nontrivial number of them are covetous and resentful of what Whites have?

I am not yet convinced that “non whites” are a monolithic group of anti-whites. I simply do not see the cultural split along solely racial lines, which is why it all leaves me rather blank.

I understand. I don’t think this is something I can convince you of, if you have had little exposure to multiracial environments. I was once a liberal race-denier – having been manufactured and programmed in Oregon – but the military was a wake up call for me. I have interacted with enough nonwhites since I enlisted that it has left me with the impression that a significant majority of them DO hate Whites and support the status quo.

Which would not necessarily put whites at the top of the meritocratic heap. Those who have thought through the policy, advocate affirmative action for whites, rather than true equal-opportunity.

I don’t advocate affirmative action for any group. Reparations paid to Whites would not be unreasonable, but I also don’t advocate that. I just want freedom. My ideal government would be a White republic. I would, however, settle for a meritocratic libertarian version of the society we have now, and if that means Asians or Jews naturally outcompete me, so be it.

Most Whites feel more alliance to their particular sub-culture than they do Whites as a whole. I don’t see White Nationalism ever getting mainstream appeal because Whites have a stronger tribal alliance with those who share their opinions than those who share their skin color.

I agree, but I think that feeling is the result of decades of anti-white indoctrination we have been forcibly subjected to – it’s not a matter of nature. It’s a matter of the suppression of our natures.

44 Proph April 4, 2011 at 12:56 pm

@Rick–

As for fantasizing about a Day of the Rope, a lot of folks are fantasizing about the collapse of the current status quo, not any kind of vengeance. You have linked to “collapse: the blog” in the past, which is basically a whole blog devoted about looking forward to the collapse of the status quo. Does that qualify as a “Day of the Rope” fantasy, in your opinion?

In my own defense, I don’t really “look forward” to the collapse most days — I generally view it as an organic, cyclical, and historically inevitable process to be endured, not something to be celebrated (although I do occasionally succumb to nihilism). My goal is just to figure out how best to transition into the society of the future once the society of today has finally failed.

45 Firepower April 4, 2011 at 2:37 pm

IHTG:

I miss the old anarchic, videogames-and-babes

Brilliant. Yes, America NEEDS more entertainment.

That’s our problem.
Simply genius.

46 FirstComment April 4, 2011 at 2:46 pm

Many years ago I discovered Vdare. I used to read it every day. With time, I realized that the only contributor at Vdare worth reading was Steve Sailer. Then I discovered that he had his own blog. Eventually I stopped reading Vdare altogether but kept reading Steve’s blog. In mala fide was also a blog i enjoyed. Now that you’ve added many mediocre contributors (all of whom had their own blogs, and yet I never felt inclined to read them) I’ll probably be visiting in mala fide less often. On the other hand, if you (FB) ever decide to start your own blog, I’ll probably stop reading in mala fide altogether (and just read your blog).

47 Firepower April 4, 2011 at 3:23 pm

It’s clever to do a change-up on ideology,
once a successful fund-raising drive is met.

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