I have a high tolerance for people insulting me and criticizing me. Go ahead, call me a shithead, say I suck or that I’m a moron. I can take it. But if you happen to write for me, and you think you can do whatever you want with impunity, especially when I tell you NOT to do something, that’s crossing the line.
Well, that’s what Obsidian just did. After the fracas over his article on “Marginal White Males,” I emailed him specifically asking him to tone down his schoolboy, fight-picking, idiotic psychoanalysis rhetoric, in keeping with the new purpose of In Mala Fide. His response was to post that private email to his blog in a violation of netiquette and dig himself in deeper:
So, it seems to me that Ferd has his first bowl of shit here, if I may borrow a line from my all-time fave tv series The Wire – yummy! What does he do? If he’s going to hang one of his staff members out to dry, yet leave the others in place for essentially doing the same thing (if not markedly worse), what does that say? Does he cave to the wishes of the OneSTDVs out there, or does he march to the beat of his own drum and stick to what he said per his Feb 25th announcement/mission statement? Time, my friends, will tell!
I tried to reason with him in the comments section, informing him that since I’m the owner and operator of IMF, my word is final. His response:
FB: In any event, Obsidian, this isn’t up for debate, not so long as I’m footing the bills.
O: Wrong, Ferd – in America, EVERYTHING is up for debate. And, nice how you try to strongarm a Brotha. Really convincing argumentation!
FB: You can do whatever you want elsewhere, but I’ve moved beyond this junior-high status-mongering and I’m holding your IMF contributions to the same standard. Everyone else on the masthead understands this innately – you’re the only one who needs to be constantly reminded. Don’t make me regret giving you this opportunity.
O: I don’t respond very well to threats, Ferd. You’d do a heck of a lot better off attempting to reason with me, just like your boy Unamused’s oh so reasoned, and “solid” examples you can sup from. I stand by what I said, and to this day, virtually NO one, has taken on what I actually said, and that’s despite your clarifying post. Now, since you guys are supposed to be the Cognitive Masters of the Universe, can’t you suss out the salient points from what you consider specious or superfluous? Must you have all points spoonfed to you? Either you address the meat of my arguments, or admit that you cannot. In that it’s been nearly a week since my post first appeared, and nearly two days now since your followed up, I’ll take that to mean, that those who whine and moan the loudest, CAN’T. On to the next topic…
You gotta admire a guy who, despite having been run out of every blog in town, having burned all of his karma with everyone imaginable, and exiled to an obscure corner of the Internet where only his yes-men can hear him, thinks he’s still large and in charge. Admirable in the “you’re a complete goddamn fool, but your goddamn foolishness is so profound its epic” way.
That’s why he’s fired – for being an insolent ingrate. I’ve deleted Obsidian’s IMF account and moved his existing articles to the “Guest Writer” byline. He’s welcome to comment on blog posts, and I’ll still link the occasional good article from him every Sunday, but he’s not going to be pounding my pulpit ever again. Here’s the last comment I left at his blog:
“I don’t respond very well to threats, Ferd. You’d do a heck of a lot better off attempting to reason with me, just like your boy Unamused’s oh so reasoned, and “solid” examples you can sup from.”
Wow. How long are you gonna keep digging in that hole?
Given how much karma you’ve burned, how many people you’ve pissed off in the past year, you should be grateful I let you join my site when everyone was telling me not to. For all my disagreements with you, I still think you have insightful things to say, so I opted to ignore the naysayers and be generous. You’ve just proven to me that that was a mistake.
I’ve deleted your IMF account and moved your posts to the “Guest Writer” byline. You aren’t writing on my site any more. You can criticize me and rib me all you want, but the minute you start insulting me and trying to order me around on my own website is the minute you’re gone.
Adios, amigo.
And since I know he’s going to try to paint himself as a martyr for free speech (“Ferdinand, he be just a racist cracka keepin’ a brotha down!”), let me spell this out so clearly a Finnish retard in an ESL program could figure it out:
Obsidian, I didn’t kick you out because you disagreed with me on this issue. I didn’t kick you out because you ribbed me a little in your “Marginal White Males” post. I didn’t kick you out for making stupid arguments. I kicked you out because I asked you not to pull your usual finger-pointing fatalistic race-baiting games on my turf, and you refused. Not only do you have no concept of decency or respect, you don’t know how to stop digging. You simply do not get it, and until you do, you will remain the laughingstock of the alt-right/mano-/whateverosphere.
I have no patience for this idiotic drama anymore, so this is the last time I will be writing about this issue.
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good for you, Ferd. I am a very recent newcomer to IMF (just started visiting here last week in fact) and was a little taken aback by Obsidian’s post. Not because it offended my delicate sensabilities, but because you asked him to tone down the vitriol, and he “bit his thumb” at you instead. The way I see it, its your dojo, so its your rules. While a little controversy and scandal is good, refusing to abide by the owner of the sites rules (and scoffing at him at the same time) is a non-starter from the get go.
Just my .02 cents worth. I like what you have created here, and plan to visit often.
i dunno man… i think u should reconsider this…. obsidian can be kind of a dick, but hes got some interesting points and perspectives, and the whole, “obs is race-baiting” thing is kinda laughable in the grand scheme of things in this corner of blogs. There are SO MANY blatantly racist bloggers that hate people of color, but at the same time they bring up good points as well. he shouldnt have put ur email out in the public though, yeah thats pretty ingrateful and stupid if he’s trying to grow and get his info out to a larger audience- dont bite the hand that….links lol?. HOWEVER, u have to admit, this corner of the blogosphere needs racial dissent bc its pretty monolithic thus far. I read his article and im not sure how u mean “race baiting”. Im not trying to be sarcastic I just dont understand (maybe i missed what u said somewhere) You know what I think you should do- host another blogger who hates obsidian’s perspectives and who thinks he’s a moron and have them agree on a race topic once a week. Have one post their perspective, and vice versa, and let the comments section sort everything out…. This would be interesting as well as balanced since EVERYONE would be able to see the argument for what its worth and it wouldnt be once sided. Some controversy and dissent would be good imo. ALSO, i think ur main prob with obsidian (although i could be wrong) is that he NEVER ADMITS TO BEING WRONG ON ANY POINT….EVVVAAAARRR. Well that debate idea would prove that to be irrelevant….
You could have kept this private.
Also, finnish people are bizarre.
i thought his “marginal white men” displayed his distaste for whites. never have been able to get through even half of an article he writes before i close the tab. good riddance.
omg, duurrr-ama! rawr.
one of my biggest issues with obsidian, not that i’ve had much interaction with him, is that his style of argument distorts the argument itself. i.e. summarizing someone else’s post incorrectly, then responding to the incorrect assessment of it, then repeating himself ten times over in a thread composed entirely of excess verbiage.
but then, i also sometimes just feel sorry for him because he’s black and no one ever has anything nice to say about black people and i wonder if it hurts his feelings. and also, i think this might hurt his feelings too (the post and then this comment, if he reads it). i’ve had my feelings hurt for far less words on the internet and it does not feel good!
Read the post, Tommy.
Obs already took Ferd’s private e-mail public.
blackdude:
Backhandedly insulting me, Chuck Ross, Foseti, OneSTDV and others by trying to lump us into a category of losers based on what little information he knows about us combined with his own prejudices. I’m not personally offended by this, but I can’t tolerate publishing his cowardice and stupidity on my webspace. His repeated insolence when I asked him to stop was the final straw.
If he wants to make a case for the existence of MWMs, he can (like I did) – but he’s not. He’s just looking to settle scores with bloggers who’ve showed him up in the past, stir up shit and be a nuisance. There are other bloggers who make the same points he does more intelligently and openly. In fact, a few of them are on IMF’s masthead.
tommy BOy:
So could’ve Obsidian. The minute he posted a private email without permission to his blog is the minute privacy went out the window. Now he gets to be the stuffed Dutchman in the German schoolhouse of IMF.
PS- also, if u do the debate thing u could set some basic rules; no name calling, character assassinations, etc just stick to the DEBATE. End it with a, “Ferd’s final thoughts.” Even if obs floods the comment section with rebuttals and strawman arguments, just force that subject to cease after that topic is closed and have everyone move on. Theres NO WAY that doing this wont add interest and good ideas to this blog…. No….way…..
DO IT FERD…. YOU KNOW U WANT TO….. if u can let that conspiracy theorist guy stay u can let obs stay….
sofia… it’s called a strawman.. and smart people don’t do that.
Heh. That sure didn’t took long.
The two main things is the “lalalalalala stop whining “brothas” have it worse” meme that he just can’t stop spreading and the petty blog-turf war.
Now, I have seen my fair share of petty blog-turf wars, and something that has sticked is that they are motivated by status-mongering for the readers, all the “have to keep it real” talk is just that. (Also, the “street grammar” that he uses now goes for the same purpouse).
Finally, a constant on the Internet is that, who owns the server, makes the rules. So any crying about how “isn’t fair” will fall on deaf ears.
Regarding forum rules and such, I don’t see the necessity. If someone immediately resorts to name-calling, threats and obscenity, it shows their own poor judgement. A baseball bat is not an argument. An adult would understand the need for subtlety.
If I were a black male in America, I’d race-bait too. Diversity works for no one.
This situation doesn’t sound like a bad one to me. You both got what you needed out of it.
I enjoy Obsidian’s blog. I wish he’d go for the throat and tackle the hard racial topics I think he’s itching to take on.
I relate less to the “game” articles. When you live in Texas — well, there’s a reason you never hear people talking about “Sheep Game.”
Obsidian is a racist prick with a chip on his shoulder. It also came as no surprise to see “a brotha” stepping up and complaining about how many white racists there are in this neck of the woods at the first opportunity to.
Obsidian seems to like to have somebody to look down on, to feel superior to. It’s not an alpha characteristic, or even a beta characteristic; it’s what I would call a gamma characteristic. A gamma is a guy who is permitted to hang out with the group but nobody really likes, so sometimes he looks for an outsider by himself to mess with to prove to himself he’s really one of the cool kids. And the whole “white boys are gay losers” thing from black guys is pretty dumb anyways.
It’s curious that he singles me out considering I haven’t even acknowledged his existence since March 2010.
@ hooligan harry
are u talking about me? Im not complaining, and i agree with you guys that obsidian is full of shit a lot of times undoubtedly. But honestly… there really arent a lot of perspectives given from other races on race related blogs. i just think having opposition in this corner of blogging isnt something that can hurt in any way IF people can be adults about it… if u guys think obs cant be an adult about it i can understand that, but if ya read what i said in its entirety harry, then i think youd see how, if under that scenario, obs kept strawmaning and ONLY strawmaning, hed be a detriment to himself and his perspective- basically i think hed be forced to either put up or shut up and i want to see how it goes (i think hes capable of putting up under the right circumstances).
For someone with such a mediocre mind and such limited writing ability, Obsidian’s delusions of grandeur (which, even up until the very end, permeate most of his woeful contributions and interactions on this site) are quite impressive.
That’s a shame. I respect you both and was hopeful that you, he, and some of these “alt-right” voices could contribute on the same site. But it wasn’t to be.
blackdude:
Ferdinand has been pretty fair, and sad to say, probably more fair than Obsidian would be with him. He recognizes that once in awhile Obsidian publishes something useful , and he is even nice enough to let Obsidian come in and comment on the comment threads, where I’m sure he’ll continue to be obnoxious wordy preening self.
Obsidian has lost lots of respect from me the past 6 months because I’ve come to the conclusion that he is only about his own aggrandizement, doesn’t argue fairly, and is not concerned with examining his own viewpoint. Plus , he throws these “white boys can’t get laid” posts out there way too often for me to believe it isn’t anything other than attention whoring. The guy is good for game advice, I’d say 30 percent of the rest of the things he says might have some truth to them , and his very obstinateness makes him a good guy to have on your side if you are in an argument with others, esp. if they aren’t playing fair themselves. And it was the right thing to do and very upstanding of Chuck and Ferd to stand up for Obs when that black beyotch woman got his old blog deleted. I still believe Obsidian would do the same thing for one of them, but I’m sadly not quite 100 percent sure anymore.
Regardless, the guy is better off at his own blog where the pearls he leaves among the rest of his fish droppings sometimes makes a visit useful.
Oh well, I saw this one coming, though I usually don’t read Obsidian’s posts. The whole TL;DR factor and the fact it’s like watching an argument between a couple of brick walls with burning strawmen scattered about. You’d think it would be fun, but after the first couple of times, it ain’t.
I can completely agree with threats being bullshit, but I hate the idea that some are pushing that because you’re a rude filthy mouthed asshole, you ought not to be listened to. “Bullshit” is a nice shorthand for “Your rhetorical position so sublimely wrong, that I as an observer am left completely agawk and astounded by the perversions of fact and logic which you have inflicted upon us today. I can only give a resounding ‘harumph’ and bid you a good day!”
Another reason why this was a good decision is that Obs doesn’t actually want to cooperate with other bloggers. His actions prove this. He doesn’t truly care about what others write. The only reason why he comments on other blogs is to troll his usual targets like David Alexander and Lady Raine’s minions, to pimp his own blog and to basically complain about the author not paying enough attention to the issues he wants to discuss i.e. the solipsism, dishonesty, racism, classism, misogyny and hypocrisy of MRAs, PUAs and HBDers, plus the problems of the African-American community. He wanted to co-opt both the Spearhead and this site to use them to gain more attention for his own grievances. His main goal is self-aggrandizement by getting new readers from other sites; he doesn’t actually want to invest himself in the causes of others in any way. He claims to support the MRM but his writings make it clear that he doesn’t actually agree with them on much. Up-and-coming websites whose popularity is rising are usual targets for such opportunists who want to attach their name to them and leech off their popularity to pimp themselves.
His antics, which cost him his old blog, haven’t changed and may cost him his current one if he pisses even more people off. There are still a few bloggers who let him hang out on their websites but even there his ideas are often opposed. I bet he will eventually try to suck up to feminists and become a guest contributor on Jezebel in order to continue his attacks on HBDers and the MRM in front of a larger audience.
TNB
@ clarence
yeah i agree with you pretty much 100%…. the only reason i still want him here is because theres pretty much ZERO perspective about race related stuff from black bloggers on this side of the sphere, and i just think SOMEONE has to do it, even though obs isnt anywhere near the best at it…. its like being stranded somewhere for days and deciding to eat your one and only MRE…. its gonna suck but its the only thing there lol…
I don’t really read most of Obsidian’s posts, as they’re mostly TLDR about not much of anything, so I commend the decision on purely aesthetic grounds.
In his defense, though, the manosphere is long on dispossessed honkey complaints and very short on the authentic race observations of working class black men. Working class black men are even more marginalized than the white man: this should be self evident, but people get all wrapped up in political correctness, and misinterpret that as something coming from working class blacks. This couldn’t be further from the truth. Political correctness, and the whole “look, he’s a racist,” game is the tool the elite uses to destroy people. The black working classes have no real voice in this, and no real access to the use of this tool for political destruction, though they are occasionally the tools of the elites in such matters, who use them as political objects just like they used to use blacks to pick cotton. Obsidian has occasionally said some really insightful stuff from what amounts to a rare perspective. Dude needs an editor and a reality check or two, and he definitely needs to quit staring at his own tubesteak, but I’d really like to read someone with such opinions.
Jim Goad said some pretty remarkable stuff about race relations in America in “Redneck Manifesto” which I think are very true: non-elite blacks and whites have a lot of problems in common, and very little in common with liberal elites. Brett also summed it up well above: if I were a decent black man in America, I’d be pissed too. Elizabeth Wright’s OK for alt-right black voices, but she’s a chick, and also making too much about the animalistic behavior of lower class blacks. What would be really interesting would be the views of a good, working class black man who has moved past the whole “blame whitey” stage: preferably one who can write well and who stays focused on a topic. Probably ain’t going to be Obsidian, unless he matures as a writer, but this sort of voice would be good to hear.
Obsidian has demoted himself to a defiant shit-testing female wannabe.
It’s hilarious to see him think that he has standing to negotiate regarding your blog’s content. This is America- everything is up for debate? Fine, let him seethe in solitude on his own blog and be a master-debater.
Oh yeah: what “blackdude” said.
This brightened my day. What I’ve read by Obsidian has always been so obviously distorted and dishonest that it was a wonder you allowed him to post here. He won’t be missed.
Well if there’s one thing I’ve learned from this whole brouhaha is that, Fark Me! I’ve gotta get some of those Skipper’s Pipes!
i was with you until you started all this “karma points” talk…karma is the least manly concept in the world. real men make their own fate and don’t believe in karma. why do you think you see so many females posting shit on FB like “karmas a bitch”
REAL MEN EXACT THEIR REVENGE AND DONT WAIT FOR KARMA TO BESEECH THEIR ENEMIES!
@ Lupo
You just referred to whites as honkeys? SERIOUSLY? You offend in that manner, and then stick your hand out asking for a piece of the pie? You have got some nerve asshole.
What is it with black dudes ALWAYS having to pull the race card every single fucking time something does not go their way? Last I checked, you were anything BUT marginalised. An educated black man with a high IQ has more opportunity in the west these days than any other minority or ethnicity. Everything from affirmative action programs to funds that throw money at your university education. It does not get any easier than what you have it and STILL you complain endlessly.
If the shoe was on the other foot, and this site had guest posters blogging in a derogatory fashion about blacks or minorities endlessly, there would be a shit storm about it. See that sort of racism is not tolerated, while black on “honkey” racism is something we are expected to grin and bare?
Fuck you bro. Fuck you for thinking it within your right to even suggest this. Take your sense of entitlement and stick it please.
As for the lack of “black middle class” representation? Whose fault is that? Are you seriously going to suggest that people should now TOLERATE bullshit racism from wankers like Obsidian because “middle class” blacks feel they dont have a voice out here amongst all the “honkeys”? I tell you what. Keep your bothers in school and out of jail and maybe the literacy rates will rise to the point where blogs such as these are even of interest.
Fuck off. You are owed nothing and the expectation that you should be judged by another rule simply because of the colour of skin is ridiculous. I pity weak men like you.
Hey Hooligan,
Before you get feeling too smug about having found another black guy to pin all your resentments on, I’m pretty sure Lupo is white and just using “honkey” to describe morons like you who can’t wait to find an excuse to say some black guy confirms all your resentments of them.
Oh good lawd. Here we go again. White man is critical of black racist = said white man must be racist. Quickly, if we call him a racist too then he may just go away after we have shamed him personally and attacked his character. He be racist yo, thats ignant.
Liberal attack strategy base camp to Gorilla. MORE AND MORE OF US DONT BUY THAT SHIT ANYMORE.
My views on Lupo stand, whatever colour he may be. Obsidian was a racist prick and got kicked. He will not be missed.
Feel free to visit his blog if you are a fan, not one is stopping you. Maybe you two can have a couple of beers together at the next Black Panther meeting.
Hooligan,
Cool, we’re still trying to decide which FEMA camp to send you to.
Yep, Gorilla has me pegged: I’m pasty whiter than white: half bog nigger and half porridge wog. I like being who I am, and I don’t give a shit if Obsidian is “racist.” Caring if someone is “racist” is for gutless left wristed liberal swines and women who sort their garbage. Dude can make fun of my ofay ass for not being able to dance or being obsolete or whatever, just like I’m going to laugh at him for liking watermelons, fat women and fried chicken. I still think his essays mostly suck butt, and I think he’s a long-winded gasbag with delusions of grandeur, but I find his perspectives on race pretty interesting and as worth hearing as, say, some middle class white guy’s perspective on being a vanishing majority.
Harry: you’re abundantly proved yourself a low caste tool here and everywhere else I’ve seen you vomiting your peculiar brand of adolescent insecurities. Why don’t you have a nice glass of shut the fuck up? Also: make yourself useful and go get me a cup of coffee.
Most radical gamers are like this… The kinds of guys who have turned “game” into some sort of a religion that they feel they need to preach to everyone.
People are seen as either IN or out, and anyone that’s out is seen as a “retard”, “moron” and someone to be converted… Obsidian was one of these “radical game-cultists”.
Trust me, you will see more of this kind of stuff coming from the likes of Obsidian… The veil around the game-movement is coming apart, and a lot of them are freaking out.
the dude is far more verbose than insightful. you should have fired him for his crappy writing style.
I believe you should hold Obsidian to a lower standard of conduct and quality.
You should know better than to think you can have a diverse blog and hold all the contributors to the same standard. Do you not read Sailer?
Well…Blacks will be blacks and Obsidian was one of them. Whatever blacks claim to believe, whatever ideology they pretend to follow truth is they hate the white male. Obsidian (who was surprisingly eloquent for a negro) found a clever way to indulge himself by spewing his vitriolic acid against white males while pretending to be an activist for men’s rights.
I only have to say good riddance.
Obsidian is fired, yet Maximus is still on after Charlie Sheen vs. the Devil?
Yikes. Obsidian is just edgy and provocative. But Maximus is a schizophrenic.
Okaaay. Obs got gone again.
Obsidian’s argumentation style – constructing strawmen and beating them down; shutting down; deliberately misinterpreting statements (I’m presuming he’s not just daft); and resorting to the “meh” “Whatever” response whenever he’s cornered – is very feminine. I’ve never met another male blogger, white or black, who thought in such a manner.
He’s occasionally useful as counterpoint, but he’s unable to step outside of his frame of reference often enough.
And I just can’t intellectually forgive him his astrology. I mean, how is anyone supposed to take him seriously? As a game tactic, I say go for it. But to actually think it has any meaning beyond getting pussy?
A few of his game comments have been useful. Most aren’t.
A decent black blogger would be a welcome addition. But Obsidian is just too frustrating to be a decent addition.
Spoken as a White guy who’d like some honest perspective.
sofia–
So true. That’s one of his stock in trades.
I knew this day would come at the new IMF.
Gorbachev–
T Rickey Raw is good. But his is not a black working class perspective. He’s college educated, and very possibly elite college educated. Also he’s a NYC Caribbean black, I think from Haiti.
Obsidian throws a lot of people off at first. He’s a strange combination of fairly articulate writing, and very, very weak and as you say feminine logic.
“30 Diesel March 28, 2011 at 3:16 am
i was with you until you started all this “karma points” talk…karma is the least manly concept in the world. real men make their own fate and don’t believe in karma. why do you think you see so many females posting shit on FB like “karmas a bitch”
REAL MEN EXACT THEIR REVENGE AND DONT WAIT FOR KARMA TO BESEECH THEIR ENEMIES!”
Diesel, who’s definition of “karma” are you going by? Karma means “action” in its original language. Every action having an equal and opposite reaction.
Hence, karma is ulitmately creating your own fate.
T Ricky Raw is an excellent blogger indeed.
“but then, i also sometimes just feel sorry for him because he’s black and no one ever has anything nice to say about black people and i wonder if it hurts his feelings. and also, i think this might hurt his feelings too (the post and then this comment, if he reads it). i’ve had my feelings hurt for far less words on the internet and it does not feel good!”
gurl logik
its like awsome n stuf
Never talked to Obsidian, read a few paragraphs into some of his pieces at the Spearhead though. Boring as hell and too much jive.
So basically you, as the proprietor of IMF, tried to exercise editorial control over content posted at your blog. Obsidian isn’t without his merits but is in dire need of an editor. He also needs to let his arguments stand without clarification in the comments section and let dissenters dissent unless they are seriously distorting what he actually wrote.
My main issue with Obsidian is that he either doesn’t proofread, or he is so blinded by his own ideology that he doesn’t catch his mistakes upon proofreading. Such as the obvious misrepresentation of normal distribution in his MWM article. Exempting that entire statistical analysis doesn’t even hurt his argument, but its inclusion certainly has the effect of blinding you to what he’s actually saying with the glaring wrongness.
Most radical gamers are like this… The kinds of guys who have turned “game” into some sort of a religion that they feel they need to preach to everyone.
People are seen as either IN or out, and anyone that’s out is seen as a “retard”, “moron” and someone to be converted… Obsidian was one of these “radical game-cultists”.
This is so laughably wrong, I can’t help but think you’ve never actually known any of these so-called radicals in real life.
The reality is that being provoked into emotional outbursts and being hyper-reactive is anti-Game. The essence of Game is mantaing your state. Actually getting a deep ‘Inner Game’ RSD-cultist riled up is a serious task. It’s like getting a Buckingham Palace guard to call you a cunt and try to beat you to death with his ridiculous hat. It’s just not very likely. Losing composure, especially to another man, is a serious DLV, and will fuck your State, Nimbus, or whatever term they are using now.
Oh, the irony of slamming Obsidian for not proofreading then posting that above comment without proofreading it…
I was only involved with it 10 years… I was there when the original mystery lounge was created. I was there when RSD was 2 people and I chatted with both. I met and probably had as a room-mate every major guru in europe. I organized and produced 2 reality shows about game and pick up. I’ve run 3 companies that taught people game and pick up… And I’ve interviewed for my website most major authors in the world. I’ve sold about 500 e-books on game as a co-author and about 5000 as an affiliate to other folks.
Note… This is the point at which game-doofuses face cognitive dissonance, and since they can’t fanthom that its possible to really know this stuff, and still be against it… They from here proceed to tell me that I’m lying, making it up, etc… etc.
Basically, none of us oldies are into this “game crap” any more. I challenge you to find someone who’s been in this for more than 5-6 years kyle. It takes at most 5-6 years at most to wake up from the game trance.
Go ahead, I challenge you to find me someone who’s around from 10 years ago and a) still believes in game b) isn’t involved professionally.
Out of the about 100 people here in europe that had game as their identity, only one is still involved with it, and he openly admitted to me he just does it for the money.
So kyle… See you in 3-4 years. You’ll be reading your game-defensive posts in 2014 and CRINGING at yourself.
The game movement is kind of bullshit, not because it doesn’t work or doesn’t exist, but because its importance is hugely overstated.
Fellas, if you want to get laid constantly with multiple women, then what you must do is follow SQUARED’S SIMPLE 2-STEP PROGRAM TO GETTING LAID:
1) Develop thick skin.
2) APPROACH!
I’ve become convinced most men “fail” with women for the same reason most people fail at telemarketing. Mainly, they don’t do nearly enough of it. And when they do try and inevitably fail, they get busy fabricating their own “Theory of Everything” to explain their failure in painstaking detail instead of wisely picking up the proverbial phone and dialing the next broad’s number.
Roosh wrote a good post about this recently: http://www.rooshv.com/timing-is-everything
Wanna learn game? Learn sales. They’re virtually one and the same.
The idea that Obsidian isn’t much liked for “race-baiting” is a bit rich considering some of the shit you see posted in these parts. I mean, just in these comments a young woman wrote this gem:
This is pretty much race-baiting defined, in addition to being untrue. The hyprocrisy here is breathtaking.
I like Obsidian’s blog and I will continue to read it when I can. Yes, he can be annoyingly repetitive. Yes, there are times when he doesn’t debate fairly. The man has many shortcomings…but who doesn’t? The truth is that he has an interesting, and at times novel view of his environment, as well a poignant things to say about whites as well even those the lot of you may be a bit stung by what he says.
I think a real danger is that the MRM is going to become more and more associated with HBD and disgruntled white men with an axe to grind. This isn’t to say that said axe wouldn’t be ground with justification, because you guys know I don’t think that. I’m just saying that as things like race & HBD take a more prominent role in the manosphere, that’s ultimately going to hurt the cause of men everywhere because it divides us unnecessarily.
The niggers are here—we’re not going anywhere. The spics are here—and they aren’t leaving. And women aren’t going back to the early 1900s. We don’t have to love each other, but anything that further divides men instead of bringing us together is something to be avoided. I’ll hold up Gorbachev and Welmer as exmaples—I’m pretty sure these guys have some HBD sympathies but they never descend into the naked race-baiting and hypocrisy that’s par for course in these parts. It’s counterproductive, period. Their example is something to be followed, and here’s hoping that you all keep this in mind moving forward.
@Dragnet,
When you sit in the middle of the fence, you tend to get your balls crushed. I make the case that blacks aren’t going anywhere, neither are they assimilating; so we need to get along on some level. Hispanics aren’t going anywhere, but it would be nice if fewer of them were flooding in. I’ve been to Mexico. I like it. I mean, I like *visiting* it.
But the HBD crowd seems hell-bent on twisting every little fact to match the contours of their world.
What annoys me about Obsidian is this:
I think white men find natural allies in black men. The issues are different, but sexist feminism has damaged black men far more than white men, and on this score, there’s a good heavy hand of misogyny in some Black culture: This could reinvigorate white Male culture if we could bridge that gap.
The problem is that this requires honesty – to hit targets dead-on, and deal with them constructively. There are some among whites, but a few whoppers with the black community – notably, crime. Every single time the issue is addressed, anyone not black is called racist. Even the HBD crowd, with not altogether bogus ideas about race, has to admit that there’s a vast cultural gap to be bridged: and that this could make a difference on a big scale.
A good black blogger would be fantastic: someone who could approach issues as bluntly as some of the best non-black bloggers in the Manosphere. Someone who didn’t get offended by the odd invective-spewing retard and who had no more axes to grind that the white bloggers. Someone who could approach facts and not just dismiss the ones he didn’t like, or deliberately misread people or engage in useless shaming language whenever he was hard-pressed.
That man is not Obsidian. The latest post by Chuck at Gucci Little Piggy highlights Obsidian’s overall failure, again, to get anything even remotely like the point of any debate.
He always has to swing it back to some minor point he made, or invent some convoluted diatribe (parsed out in easily out-of-contexted one-liners) to dismiss anything anyone else says.
Obsidian just doesn’t use reason as a precise tool. He’s clearly not well-educated, in the sense that his ability to put ideas together is rudimentary, at best. He suffers from this on an intellectual level.
The white Manosphere may have its bitter losers, but by and large, the characters seem to be smart, articulate and not very loser-ish, even when they resort to being trolls.
Obsidian, were he white, wouldn’t be among that class.
He says some interesting things, but his discussion skills are so atrocious, it’s hard to follow him for any length of time.
And he’s far too dismissive of anyone who disagrees with him. He’s too convinced of his correctness, his assertions lack force, and his dismissals are too obvious.
Case in point: Chuck is always pointing out the rude and bad manners, as well as the sociopathic violence, in black American culture. There’s an issue there; I work with a good number of black people, maybe 10% on average, in media.
Now you can call Chuck a racist, a race-baiter, or whatever, but the guy is genuinely open to debate; he’s polite; and he’s very articulate. He’s not actually hating on anyone (though he’d like it if blacks tipped more).
But he does single out the pathology to examination.
I know from personal experience that co-workers – black – often discuss this and make jokes; with their closer white friends, they’ll even discuss it.
There’s something to discuss on that subject.
The problem is that whenever Obs gets involved, any potential discussion is out the window – it all becomes deflection, denial and accusation. Every single comment he ever makes is one of these things.
“Crime is bad in the black community” = “Arrest them. No problem”
“Blacks seem rude all the time” = “Don’t serve them.”
“Blacks never leave tips and harass staff more” = “Don’t serve them. Problem solved.”
We all know those aren’t discussion points – he’s trying to shut Chuck down. Dismissing him and everything he says.
How can we have honest debates if we can’t even discuss things without this sort of behavior?
Obsidian, as interesting as he is, adds nothing to any debates like this. In fact, he misses opportunities to give white HBDers some perspective. Consistently.
While I appreciate his presence in an otherwise vanilla landscape, it would be nice if he could bring his brain and his intellectual conscience to a debate. Sometimes.
In Response to Gorbachev :
Your Paleo-Conservative Black Blogger already exists:
http://issuesviews.blogspot.com/
Elizabeth Wright has been in this sphere of media since the mid 80s; She even writes editorials for “Alternative Right”.
I for one find Richard Spencer to be a vindictive asshole at times, but I commend Elizabeth Wright for being able to look pass that for the sake of the issues at hand.
Holy christ, you GOT to be swpl or azn to think shit like this.
C’mon: you have obsidian hate
because he’s the only one who outtypes you.
Firepower,
The troll we all love to death. Where would we all be without Firepower? Lost, I tell you. Lost.
In Response to Gorbachev :
I have no idea why Firepower is here, either.
On another note, have you ever considered starting your own blog? From positive response culled from your comments at at Chateau Roissy and here, I can definitely say there would be significant interest in such a project.
Ruby,
I have bug in my brain that forces me to write too much on any given subject. When I learn brevity, I’ll start a blog. Also, that would require me to edit my milky white stream of consciousness. I like to let it flow.
On the other hand, it *would* be giving my SWPL Liberal Jackbooting Employers a big finger. Unfortunately, I could be easily identified,
Have you tried chemo?
@AlekNovy
Links?
so i see someone seconds me on the blog thing, gorbachev.
Neither the first nor the last, Sofia.
I’d have to write consistently. I wouldn’t be able to disappear at will, pounce on the odd issue and then fly off when I feel like it, make some smeary comment and then try to justify or rationalize it. Or expound at length without pissing everyone off and driving them away.
This way, I get to drive away people on other people’s blogs.
Much safer and more satisfying.
On the other hand, I’ve got an encyclopedia of custom game I could splurge on the page.
In Response to Gorbachev :
At the very least, consider writing articles for “In Mala Fide”.
Recent events have displayed how… monolithic… some of the writer base is becoming; You’d be a more than welcome addition.
Actually, Googling for your site pulls up basically cut and paste PUA trolling that goes back several years.
-Pickup works for less than 1% of men.
-Pickup has its’ basis in “misogyny”.
-Women and men experience identical emotions to the same stimuli.
-There is no biological predisposition to how humans approach courtship.
-PUAs, gurus and practioners of Game, never ever get laid.
All posted by an AlekNovy that was a long-time PUA, but has now seen the light, and tells lots and lots of people on the internet about how they will be cringing at how they are now.
Thanks for the expertise, oh guru of guru. Most guys won’t stay in the community for 5-6 years to become jaded because easily 9 out of 10 guys will go out for a few months, get a girlfriend, get a wife, get tired of it and move onto either hobbies, have career, school, health and family issues supersede the time intensive ‘sarging’ with their buddies, et cetera. Yeah, lots of people drop out, and lots pop in and out of lairs every few months, or you won’t see them for a year.
That people aren’t into pickup as they approach their 50s isn’t surprising, nor is it that not everyone pursues a goal with single-minded intensity. We’ve all seen people drop out. I don’t ‘sarge’ every week, even less so the requisite several times a week, so I could be said to have dropped out of the community.
It’s got nothing to do with we poor souls becoming disillusioned after having attained Satori at your 7th Level of PUAdom, realizing it was all bullshit. It’s just that we don’t want to live half our lives in bars and nightclubs, and don’t want our brains to rot from spending the other half listening to retarded, drunk, high bimbos. We leave the community because there are other things to do that are also fun, or other things that are time intensive and need to be done.
Game saved my life and make no mistake about it.
And I was never into picking up skanks in bars. Lots of work, little reward.
I was doing “day game” before there was a name for it.
Blogging is very, very time-consuming. It was fun for a while, but there are many other more important things that are also time-consuming in my life, so I stopped blogging. Commenting works well because it is much, much faster to write a comment than it is to plan a blog entry and babysit the comments.
This is true. But I’m glad to have my own blog to spam now, instead of annoying everyone else.
I just hope I don’t see any “white nationalist” articles here, because they are just the same as Obsidian, and it’s even possible that Obsidian’s views are entirely in response to white nationalists.
“Commenting works well because it is much, much faster to write a comment than it is to plan a blog entry and babysit the comments.”
It’s strange, Nova. For me at least, someone who is not a natural writer but a perfectionist, it takes a long, long time to craft an article, but not so long to write a comment.
Ferd, you have to realize you openly stated Obsidian better not fuck up or you’d can him.
I think his article was fucked.
But so were the responses to your article, “The Life of the Mind”, and in all honesty, they were far worse.
I think Obsidian was responding to other people and taking the blame out on everyone else.
Honestly, this is a classic misunderstanding. You know I vehemently disagreed with Obsidian, but I don’t think he should be stopped from posting here, if he can stop focusing on race as if we ARE ALL attacking him.
Then again, it’s probably unlikely that he can stop anymore than the white supremacist folks can.
Ah well.
“Maximus’ article was, by any objective measure, way out in left field. Obsidian, on the other hand, is well-known in these circles for his race obsession. I’ll be explaining more thoroughly why I published this article tomorrow, but let me just say that I’ve emailed Obsidian telling him to tone it down. If he pulls any of the ingrate antics he’s done at the Spearhead here, he’s gone.”
When you tell a strong-willed guy to tone it down, you know it’s going to get a response from that guy.
Your comment was a challenge, an acknowledgement that you disagree with Obsidian’s view points.
I disagree with them too. However, it shouldn’t be a surprise that he responded.
As long as all the white supremacists here http://www.inmalafide.com/blog/2011/03/26/the-life-of-the-mind/#comments don’t start writing for you, I think that’s fair.
If Obsidian and white nationlists cannot respect the many men in the manosphere who do not focus on race, then it’s their own problem.
Um…. anyone who has this experience obviously does not understand “Game”, which is really just understanding “women”.
Pickup works for less than 1% of men? God, I had hoped at least 10% of men were intelligent enough to “get it”?
Jay:
I don’t have a problem with Obsidian’s viewpoints. My problem is that he argues in bad faith, flinging about straw men, obfuscations, and outright lies to disguise the idiocy of his arguments. Read this post (and the comments) for a more thorough takedown of the O-Man:
http://glpiggy.net/2011/03/28/being-near-a-barrel/
Gee, with THOSE qualifications and the right skin color, obsiddie sounds like he’s up for a job at MSNBC, CNN and the New York Times.
He’s a three-fer!
jes sayin
Yeah, I see what you’re sayin’ Ferd. Thanks.
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