I’m busy with back-end work, so I’ve decided to highlight this great comment Rubix/Squared made in response to my night game post. I’d nitpick over the fact that I specifically talked about bars in my post (I’m not a club person, and the Capital District’s club scene is sucky anyway) but it’s a minor point.
The simple truth is that while we may idolize some PUAs (and they deserve some of it), the fact is that they got a lot of things wrong, and outright lied to us in many cases. As of right now, I can count the number of true seduction gurus (PUAs/players who sell their services for money) I trust on one hand. The seduction community is built on sleaze and scamming, and it’s time for the statues to fall.
Anyway, here’s Rubix:
How has anything changed exactly? I’ve been old enough to go to clubs for nearly six years now, and your description accurately describes the way its pretty much always been, at least as far as I’ve seen. Clubs have always been filled to the brim with various species of douchebag. The M/F ratio has always been terrible. Girls in this environment have always been “less attentive and outgoing than an autistic kindergartener bombed on Red Bull†(not that it even matters much when trying to hold a conversation with someone in one of these places is virtually impossible). Winter has always been cold as fuck. And logistical issues have always made same night lays a complicated proposition, even when you find a female who isn’t necessarily against the idea.
If your finger truly is on the pulse of gameland and your conclusions are similar to those of many in the community, what finally might be dying is the erroneous theory that any average joe (and even above average joes) can just learn game, walk in a nightclub on any given night and talk some (sober) club slut back into his bed virtually at will. Don’t get me wrong, I understand the importance of game as a tool for self-improvement. I practice its teachings not just with women, but in all walks of life. But this idea that any schmuck can become a modern day club-hopping casanova is a false god, perpetuated by the mainstream media and by a bunch of snake oil salesmen, these so-called game “gurusâ€, who’ve found an easy way to make a buck or two. Don’t be fooled. If you have anything of value to offer, day-game and social circle game are much better alternatives.
It’s funny, because during my late teens, I used to really beat myself up over my perceived relative lack of success with women. The fact that I’m a smart, good looking, athletic guy with no real excuse just exacerbated the issue. Over the years though, I got to hang out with a number of these alleged nightclub superstars, and to my great surprise, nights out with these guys nearly always ended the same way: them going home alone with their dicks in their hands, or them going home with a girl that did not in any way come close to doing justice to the mythical pornstar goddesses described in all the urban legends. It took a few years to finally get it, but it was quite a cathartic learning experience.
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Lol insane, skittles man article is great though.
I think we need to be clear about the distinction between beta and omega. Game can help betas but not omegas.
Game works best:
1. defending what is rightfully yours, keeping girls of your age, background, and looks from dating older men, guys that have nothing in common with them, or a guy that won’t settle down with them.
2. improving the performance of a guy with some greater beta or alpha traits
3. improving the performance of a guy that was omega in his formative years (bullied in school) but now looks like an alpha.
5 % Leaders, 15% Alphas, 60% betas, 20% omegas, that means 80% end up holding their dicks at the end of the night.
How many game consoles were sold last year?
To be sure, a great post comment by Rubix, still if no names are named, it’s just an empty exercise in venting.
I think Game can help a man maximize his attractiveness to women, but it won’t necessarily turn him into Casanova. It’s like when an overweight girl loses 30 pounds. Losing the weight will help her attract more men than she could have before, but it won’t probably won’t make her a super hottie.
But every man should understand Game, even omegas. At the very least, a knowledge of Game will help you stop wasting time and money doing things that won’t help you get the girl (chasing her, buying stuff for her, etc.).
Game isn’t magic. It just defines the rules of a system, that being the sexual marketplace.
Cracking the code, watching The Matrix, taking the Red Pill. They all just show you the world in is truthful, decadent glory.
Whatever you go in that system, is up to you. That freedom is valuable on itself.
Going out for night game always seemed too expensive and time consuming.
Instead of going out for hours a week, spending hundreds of dollars at the bar, why not go to the gym, read, take an art history class, learn how to sketch, write an article…In other words, build yourself up.
That said, going out is necessary when starting out. Everyone needs to do it during their gaming education.
Clubs are like a “shark tank” in wrestling. In a shark tank, one guy is in the middle for a five-round period. Every minute, someone fresh comes in. Thus, the wrestler is always facing a fresh guy. It’s exhausting and a test of will.
At a club, get used to approach after approach. Rejection. Bitches. Meet someone. Keep going.
After you’ve been in the shark tank of a club, day game is nothing.
Here is some material for an article..
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1340986/Want-hold-husband-Give-break.html
“Going out for night game always seemed too expensive and time consuming.
Instead of going out for hours a week, spending hundreds of dollars at the bar, why not go to the gym, read, take an art history class, learn how to sketch, write an article…In other words, build yourself up.”
I agree. Roissy wrote about this recently. The key is to find something you truly enjoy and to be passionate about it. Excel at it. And to convey your joy and enthusiasm to all those (preferably the women) around you.
Using myself as an example, I used to play soccer at AAA and semi-pro level. As that came to an end, I joined a low level mixed gender league. Let me tell you that when you’re doing something you enjoy and you’re dominating an entire team of other dudes while you’re doing it, game barely even crosses your mind. You’re the alpha of the group by default. Your confidence is through the roof. And interacting with the women around you no longer feels like you’re playing court jester for a bunch of dullards you’re only talking to to have sex with. Win-win all around.
Other day-game locations that have yielded very positive results for me: the mall, the gym, and the streets of downtown Montreal during any of the city’s numerous summer festivals and special weekends.
I never trusted the idea of $2500 bootcamps. Seems like that’s enough money to stock the pond with hired women and still have a ton left over.
I have started a new blog called Boycott American Women, please add a link to it on your blog, thanks
http://boycottamericanwomen.blogspot.com/
If you’re like me, smart but both *not* good looking and short, no amount of game will help you in clubs. What woman would even give me 10 seconds to talk to her in a club when she can have her pick of average height and above, good looking guys? If anything, clubs create the illusion there are many more such men than there really are. Even during the day, at a mall or store, there are probably 10 or 20 men in her immediate field of vision taller and better looking.
At best I can avoid overtly *negative* actions, but I don’t see how I can use game to create *positive* energy when talking to women. They can always rationalize instantly rejecting me (occasionally cruelly) because a potentially better suitor is literally around the next corner.
Making out in a nightclub with a woman who is an 8 or 9 = relatively easy.
Going home with her the same night = hard, hard, hard.
Anyone who claims otherwise has little to no direct experience.
It is easy to be a snake oil salesman of Game. Of many people who are actually earning money as ‘coaches’, they are only able to do approaches. That is what they base their claims of talent on. Gullible customers think that ballsy approaches equates going all the way, and this is simply not the case. Not at all.
The 7-hour-rule is one of the least appreciated pieces of Game thought, and it is extremely valuable. Here is why :
1) Ross Jeffries did create a great structure of rapid sexual escalation through NLP, but he never once mentioned that it takes 6-8 hours of attraction and comfort before such rapid seduction could work. Hence, many of his students in the 2001-02 period, myself included, did approaches and got women aroused right in the coffee shop or bookstore, only to have her flake. A lack of knowledge of attraction + comfort before seduction, and the 7-hour rule, was the reason for this. This also revealed that Ross Jeffries himself, while able to get women horny within 20 minutes of meeting them, probably didn’t convert too many of them into lays.
2) After I read about the 7-hour-rule, a lot fell into place. I always kept the first meeting at a bar or coffee shop, and the second would be a dinner at my place, that I cook myself (enlisting her as an assistant). This had a very high conversion rate. About 90% of the time that I got a woman to come to my place for the second date, it would lead to sex. Of course, getting her to come over for the second date was the hurdle, rather than seduction during that evening.
I would not have figured out a successful template for myself if not for the ‘eureka’ moment of reading about the 7-hour-rule, and that A and C have to be done before seduction (the fatal flaw in Ross Jeffries’ material).
Also, no one really needs to go to a Game seminar or hire a coach. Just get wingmen who force you to do approaches, take notes about what you did right vs. what you did wrong., get feedback over the Internet or from wings, and keep practicing. It need not cost much money at all.
A lot of game marketing is based on just that misconception. People have no idea how easy it is to walk up to a ten and make her laugh… Or get her phone number or even make out with a decent percentage.
I had a period of my life where I couldn’t get laid to save my life, but I was able to impress “gamer groupies”… by just taking them out to town, and having them watch me get numbers from tens – one after the other.
These same dorks (who had blogs on the magic of game), thought that makes me some sort of sexual god. And you’ll see, if you dig deeper and interview a lot of game-worshippers, you’ll see that the only evidence they can provide about their “game guru god” that they worship = is seeing him walk up to chicks and making them laugh… That’s about it. No further evidence.
This is a solid post!
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