I don’t feel good about doing this, and I suspect many of you will chew me out for it. At least, I HOPE some of you will.
A few people have sent me the home addresses and phone numbers of Julian Assange’s lying rape accusers. My traffic has ballooned from Googlers seeking info and pictures of Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilén in the past 48 hours, and my posts are being linked all over the place from sites as diverse as Indymedia and Democratic Underground to Pajamas Media and Stormfront. In other words, a LOT of people are likely to see and copy their info if I post it, and I won’t be able to take it back once I hit Publish.
When a certain female blogger was publicly embarrassed by another, bigger blogger a while back, I was criticized for white knighting for her by locking the post on my blog where she was getting roasted and banning further discussion. One person said to me that the girl in question wouldn’t show any mercy if the roles were reversed, so why should I show any mercy to her? While we all want to see false rape accusers punished for their crimes, this may be crossing the line. There are some things I’m simply not comfortable doing. Call it white knighting, call it a crisis of conscience, but I can’t do this without feeling guilty.
However, the nature of the case means that I can’t not think about this carefully. This isn’t ruining someone’s life for the lulz or some other petty, meaningless bullshit. These two women are accessories to a great evil, an evil that will continue to perpetuate unless someone stands up and does something. They are arguably evil themselves for trying to destroy a man’s life over their feeeeelings. If there’s a part of me that would feel bad for releasing the info, there’s another part of me that would feel bad for not using my power to fight this evil when I am uniquely positioned to do so.
So, guilt or not, I’m posting the info. Here goes something.
Svea Anna Karolina Ardin
Address
Alströmergatan 32
112 47 STOCKHOLM
AND/OR
Tjurbergsgatan 36 4tr
118 56 Stockholm
Mobile: (+46)73-3907017 AND/ORÂ 0854555332
Personnummer: 1979-03-19-3204
Sofia Wilén
Sofia Wilén
Address
Torggatan 45
745 30 ENKÖPING
AND/OR
Tørgetan 45
443 30 NEKØP
Mobile: (+46)76-7161609 AND/OR (+46)77-7263679
Birthday: 17 Sep OR 10 Aug
My friends, use this information wisely. Thanks for all the support you’ve given thus far.
UPDATE: I’ve posted an updated mobile phone number for Anna Ardin. Source here. I’m also re-posting part of a comment I made at Alte’s blog concerning my motives for outing Ardin and Wilén:
People first started emailing me Ardin and Wilen’s information on Tuesday night, when Assange was arrested. I didn’t post it until after I’d thought carefully about what would happen. I’m not interested in vigilante justice, and I don’t want to see either of them raped or killed. I realize that if either of those things happen to one or both of them, I’ll have played a big role in making it happen. I’m not going to try to evade blame.
Posting their addresses and phone numbers isn’t intended to encourage vigilantism, but to send a bigger message to women like Ardin and Wilen – if you lie about being raped, this is what will happen to you. Your anonymity will be compromised, your life will be laid bare for all to see, and your name will be destroyed. No rape shield law or journalistic ethic can protect you. You will suffer as the man whose name you vindictively dragged through the mud has suffered.
I want women to see that their choices have consequences. If enough false rape accusers have their identities and personal data exposed to the jeering Internet hordes, others will think twice before they accuse men of heinous crimes for petty and selfish reasons.
Continue spreading the truth wherever and whenever you can, my readers.
UPDATE II: I’ve posted an updated address for Anna Ardin. Thanks for the reader tip.
UPDATE III: Added an updated address and mobile number for Wilén, as well as Ardin’s personnummer (personal identity number).
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The world should know who these fine young ladies are..
This is going to be good. You know the 4chan lunatics are going to get a hold of this.
Where’s the popcorn?
Touched by history – I lived across the street from Anna’s place in the mid-90s. Thought the street view on radsoft.net looked familiar.
This Wikileaks business – I can’t help but feel we’re sitting on the sidelines of something huge. Is it the beginning or the end? Interesting times.
Thanks for that Ferds. Just calling them now.
+1 dude, nowhere near as mean as a fake rape charge
4 chan has it
“I learned long ago, never to wrestle with a pig. You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.” -GBS
(It just seemed appropriate)
Nice work. Now what are we going to do with this information?
Let’s see… the CIA release a mis-mash of unimportant government documents to some low level computer nerd – just to see what happens.
They then track all of the people that touch the stuff and start a database.
But, things get out of hand a bit and this stuff makes it to someone that has the ability to *really* publish world-wide. Uh-oh.
But, this tool turns out to be useful, and as a matter of fact, they’ve got someone working him…
When they’re done with him he’s going down… and so will EVERY. SINGLE. WEBSITE. that tried to help him in ANY way whatsoever.
This will be the first show of control over the internet by the FCC. You know, national security was compromised, so something HAD to be done, right?
I’d be careful if I were you. They’re trying to smoke all of you out before they cut you off.
Hai gaise whats goin on her?
I’m generally an advocate of personal privacy. They, however, deserve it. It ain’t just some flame war they got the upper hand in: they’re ruining a man’s life and getting away with it.
Ferdinand,
You the man.
Whoever passed this on to 4chan,
You the man too.
let the shitstorm begin
FYI..
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sofiaphoto/sets/
4chan has the info now. first post i’ve seen so far as of 12/08/10(Wed)18:30:02
I just wonder: are these women doing this all by themselves, or are they being put up to it, or even coerced or threatened into it?
If the latter, perhaps the focus on them is not quite fair.
This person has more info.
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http://twitter.com/PopcornPower
yeah Ferd, that’s the way to do it. no guilt.
FB,
Here is another whopper.
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http://frianyheter.wordpress.com/2010/08/26/julian-assange-vs-socialdemokratiska-partiapparaten/#more-40031
Political Secretary successor of the Socialist Brotherhood movement, Anna Bernardin, commanded just over a week since the Wikileaks founders Julian Assange to a seminar. This weekend was notified Assange of sexual molestation. One of the women behind the complaint against Julian Assangne is the Christian radical feminist and social democrat Anna Bernardin. She is also a candidate in the autumn elections .
Bravo, Ferd. For what it’s worth I’m back in the blogging business and my first post touched on this Julian Assange business (while, of course, heavily linking to you since you are the foremost expert.)
4chan wave incoming.
Hey ferd, long-time lurker here. I’m glad someone has the balls to get the ball rolling on this. Don’t let up
Here’s Sofia Wilén before the bangs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70PR5pinGs8&feature=related
with a heartfelt song.
Awesome:
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Wikileaks
Scroll down.
I sent them both SMS messages telling them what stupid cunts they are.
Their numbers will have changed now.
Still, 4chan has control. These guys can hunt down pedophiles and bring them to justice within days when the police have gotten nowhere in years. They will fail. They have to fail.
To MeMyselfI: a very good conspiracy point. If it is so, them let it happen. Evil prevails when good men stand by and do nothing.
Great job Ferdinand. You ARE doing the right thing!
As much as I hate false-rape bitches and whores, Assange is getting people killed, people that had their names hidden for a reason, like informants for the americans in afghanistan. Maybe he should go to jail, if he can’t even show a little discretion. Of course ideally he would remove those names, and continue about his business, and the two women would die.
It is one thing to fight against evil and genocidal entities like nazi germany and imperial japan or even north korea in the 1950s, but since when is killing south-east asian peasants, central american peasants, iraqi civilians or some economically deprived family in afghanistan an act of bravery?
Seriously? Cowards are seen as cowards.
Oh Snap!!!
is there a drugstore around the corner? just in case I forget to bring my condoms with me.
Posting Anna Ardin & Sofia Wilén’s home addresses on the Internet?
Now I have serious concerns for their safety. How irresponsible can you get?
Even if you think they are in the wrong, two wrongs don’t make a right.
I would normally criticize you for doing something like this, but these two women deserve what they get. They’re vile creatures, simple as that.
“Assange is getting people killed, people that had their names hidden for a reason, like informants for the americans in afghanistan. ”
Maybe so, but there is zero evidence for this so far. I want a pointer to where it gives such things away on the wikileaks website: I’m not taking anyone’s word for it any more.
Fuck them. If something happens to them the world will be a better place.
I guess they’re ugly a looooooooooooot, the guy was a lil’ crazy or drunk for sure: fuck THAT KIND OF CRAP? An’ no condom? OMG! Sofia looks like hell, Anna looks like an old witch; i wouldn’t do that not even for goooood MONEY! DAMN THOSE DIRTY BITCHES! TO HELL WITH THEM!!!
“Assange is getting people killed, people that had their names hidden for a reason, like informants for the americans in afghanistan. â€
Maybe so, but there is zero evidence for this so far. I want a pointer to where it gives such things away on the wikileaks website: I’m not taking anyone’s word for it any more.”
My point exactly. Assange? He released information that embarrassed some governments, and now they’re trying to take him down. We don’t stand for that in America. Everyone has a right to the truth, they have a RESPONSIBILITY to KNOW THE TRUTH,and to act on it. I feel ashamed every time I read a comment from an American saying Assange should be assassinated,that’s what they do to political dissidents in China. If you want to live in a society like that, move to China, but I sure as hell don’t.
My forefathers died here on this soil fighting so that people could be free to speak the truth about the government and to the government.
Yeah, the government has claimed Assange’s leaks could get people killed. What other justification could they use to silence him for his political move?
Where’s the evidence that he’s hurting people? There isn’t any. All we have is the word of a government who wants to shut him up before he really embarrasses them. Yep,no motive for lying there.
Assange is a hero, I don’t think he’s gone FAR ENOUGH yet. Were Thomas Jefferson alive today, he would be giving this guy a standing ovation for his efforts.Your government has been fucking you since you were born, the only thing that can make them stop are guys like Assange telling people HOW your government is fucking you. And you want him to stop? For what, so the government can fuck your children over too?
The government should be in mortal fear of the people. They should go to bed praying every night that they uphold their sacred duty to the Constitution of the United States so we don’t drag their asses out in the street and curb stomp them. It’s the only way to keep them honest.
Ferd, GREAT fucking job posting these whores’ info. You did the right thing. Make no mistake, these women would post any man’s info as well as falsely label him a rapist just for shits and giggles. They are feminists, their life is basically a quest to ruins mens’ lives.
I don’t think anything at all will happen to either of these women from posting their info,they will probably get a book deal out of all this, but at least we acted on our conscience when we had the opportunity.
Go Assange, Go WikiLeaks, and may the scumbags attempting to hijack our government and turn us into North Korea go straight to fucking hell.
Viva Veritas.
They really deserve it. One of them is particularly evil:
“A Swedish forum reports that she is an expert on sexual harassment and the male “master suppression techniquesâ€. Once, as she was lecturing, a male student in the audience looked at his notes instead of staring at her. Anna Ardin reported him for sexual harassment because he discriminated against her for being a woman and because she claimed he made use of the male “master suppression technique†in trying to make her feel invisible. As soon as the student learned about her complaint, he contacted her to apologize and explain himself. Anna Ardin’s response was to once again report him for sexual harassment, again because he was using the “master suppression techniqueâ€, this time to belittle her feelings. ” http://www.counterpunch.org/shamir09142010.html
Mission Accomplished: US managed to smear Julian’s name to fully live up to its reputation as a banana republic, out of control rogue psycho state of 9/11 cry babies.
December 9th, 2010 by maxkeiser
False accusations of rape should be punished and I don’t forsee that coming from the Swedish courts. I think you’ve made the right call Ferdinand.
If we wuz da guvment we cud do alot wid dis private info, by dat i mean we cud take action against dose cunts, but since we r but a bunch of lowly peons, mere subjects of da state, al weez can legally do is da angry email or perhaps sends an angry letter to dose evil cunts.
Who’s wid me?
Wow. I don’t know about this, FB.
I’m all for them being punished for a false accusation, but you might be calling out the vigilantes with this one. I’m still hoping for a peaceful resolution, you know, with nobody getting hurt. Pie in the sky, and all that.
Perhaps the Swedish government should lock them up too, for their own safety. Then they could serve time with Assange, like one big happy family. This whole circus is insane. It’s like the whole world is insane. Or maybe it’s always been insane, but now I really notice it.
Why do I have a sinking feeling, like some shit is going to hit the proverbial fan?
Ferd you are the alpha man.
I have been trolling 4chan and cannot find anything about this.
Wikileaks yes, it is all over the place but not about these two cunts and what can they do to them anyway? Just asking.
4chan are the newest generation of manginas, female pedestalizers and white knights ensuring the continuation of the feminist hate movement and society-wide second-class treatment of men. 4chan trolls think they are so edgy and rebellious, but ask them about women, and their cockiness disappears and they whip out their manginas, exposing their true colors.
Alte, someone has already “gotten hurt” due to the action of those two cunts. His name is Assange. I don’t know about you, but being caged like an animal and having no right to make your own decisions (ie. prison) “hurts”
Braveheart,
I know that, and I’ve been supporting FB in all of this because of that. I think he trusts the serious MRAs not to act like a bunch of fucktards, but there are all sorts of people heading over here now. People who are coming over here because they are specifically looking for these women. What if some guy gets the idea of showing these women what real rape is like? Is that justice?
Nobody can hide any more; they were only protected by their relative anonymity, but he’s posted their names, pictures, and now their contact information. It would be one thing if FB were just some no-name blogger, jacking off on his keyboard in his parent’s basement. But he’s got cred, and if something happens to these women because he outed them, it’ll be on him.
Depending on which Christian denomination one belongs to or if a Judaist, as applicable, either the 8th or 9th commandment clearly states “Do not bear false witness against your neighbor.”
Period.
These two slutty females have in fact done so, regardless of what anyone may think of Assange personally. The Biblical penalty for such a false declaration is that the penalty which would have been imposed upon the falsely accused is then placed upon the false witness(s).
Ferd, you have done the right and honorable thing in this matter and have my complete support. If some ill befalls these lying whores, and it surely should, then so be it. It takes two to tango and the fact of the matter is that they willingly made their bed and now they must lie in it.
Perhaps from this circumstance a lesson will be imparted to all the other sluts who falsely accuse innocent men of heinous acts. Every damned one of them should have their names and addresses made public, replete with photographs.
Realy, Assanger, your in Sweden and u could somehow finde the uglyiest women there
Your my Hero, F**k the women
You did the right thing Ferdinand. If either one of them or their defenders complain about it, just direct them back to Ardin’s little note to herself about getting revenge legally (aka getting revenge and getting away with it). Their own actions are what triggered this.
I’m re-posting a comment I left at “Traditional Catholicism” to further support Ferds actions on this matter after that blogs host expressed concern that these two harlots might meet an ill fate after their expose.
To wit:
“One cannot be assured that they would receive right and proper judgment. Perhaps these two “ladies†should have considered the consequences of both their illicit fornications with Assange as well as the consequences of their joint false accusations before they engaged in either. Actions result in consequences, many and oft times unforeseen.
A certainty is that from their own claims submitted to Swedish authorities, these two harlots state clearly that all of the fornication between Assange and the accusers was in fact consensual. Further, under the antiChrist Swedish Law, these two lying claimants would receive no punishment what-so-ever, so where is the justice of which you speak? Women here in the U.S. falsely accuse men of rape with estimates of false reporting as high as 40%, and the false accuser almost never is held accountable for her lies.
In the “West†we hear or read the word “rapeâ€, and in our minds it is instantly imprinted in all upper case letters. Whether upper or lower case, in this matter no rape ever occurred. The sins were all committed with the mutual consent of all parties involved. These two women are liars and whores with Assange as a whoremonger, period. Assange at least was a gentleman of sorts after he sinned, remaining silent. The two whores obviously are of even lesser character. Never-the-less, the greater exposure this sort of treachery receives, the better off the world shall be.
Ferdinand Bardamu has engaged in exactly the right and proper act. Evil should be exposed always, not protected through anonymity. The Bible gives us tale after tale that demonstrate that women are every bit as evil as men, and oft times more so. Recall the Doctrine of Balaam and how as a result of Balaams machinations the whole of His people Israel, our forebearers, were seduced by whores deliberately infiltrated in amongst them, the result being that our God turned his back upon us.
It’s a present day Biblical Deja Vu, and we do nothing but wring our hands while this antiChrist madness destroys everything around us. I have no empathy for whores, nor for those who enjoy their company. I pray that my God does not either.”
In her deleted tweet Anna Ardin gives her mobile number as 0854555332
see the goggle cache:
http://www.samtycke.nu/doc/AnnaArdin_cache19aug.htm
They are not that attractive. THAT is the best Assange could do? They sort of bely the image of hot Swedish women.
As far as Assange goes, yes he did get Afghanis struggling against the Taliban and AQ killed. Including those who were named as informing on who was AQ or Taliban in specific villages. Included in the carnage were the people’s families, including sons, wives, daughters, and parents. The death toll is up to IIRC about 200, including relatives/family members.
What good was served by releasing the names of those co-operating with US troops to identify Taliban and AQ operatives in Afghanistan? If you cannot choose your own side (the West against the Taliban and AQ which WANT TO KILL YOU!) you are not worthy of anything.
Assange is un-manly (attention whoring like a woman) and lacking loyalty (another negative female trait) without any of the good female traits: compassion, tenderness, forgiveness. He is uniformly negative about the West (like a woman regarding a beta male) and in love/lust with “uber-Manly” Jihadis (about whom he has released nothing negative). He seems like a closeted gay. He certainly looks the part.
Assange vs. the Feminists is like Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus. Stupid and you want both to lose.
Ferd you are the alpha man.
No, he’d be alpha if he got in a plane, flew to Sweden, and raped them himself. Posting their personal info on the Internet while he himself remains anonymous, in the (unspoken but generally understood) hope that someone else will do the dirty deed for him, and teach the lying whores a lesson, is cowardly.
Like the sheiks grooming suicide-bombers.
Alte: ” What if some guy gets the idea of showing these women what real rape is like? Is that justice?”
Good point, Alte.
“Assange vs. the Feminists is like Mega Shark vs. Giant Octopus. Stupid and you want both to lose.”
I happen to believe the same about the Taliban and their internal enemies: Uzbek and Tajik warlords, the stooges of the Russians, Iranians and other regional powers. From a Western point of view, all of them are unscrupulous, uncivilized, tribal hicks. None of them are your allies. It doesn’t matter which side wins, we can be assured that Afghanistan will remain a medieval shithole.
So, am I seeing Assange supporters recoiling in horror at information relating to political activists being leaked by Ferd? Shocking.
Hopefully this leak will actually produce some social good. I fully support your taking the ‘personal is political’ paradigm and using it against its’ main proponents.
hope that someone else will do the dirty deed for him, and teach the lying whores a lesson, is cowardly.
Nope the fact that he could be arrested, his name published, etc says more than the lot of us put together. The government has an agenda related to all of this and he has fired a salvo across there bow. He has a heavy set.
Why should we care about the safety of false rape accusers, when the people they accuse are at risk of either getting raped or killed in jail, on top of having their name and life ruined forever (even if they are found innocent)? I assure you these 2 bitches are much safer than Assange is.
False accusations of any kind should be a criminal offense, and punishment should be no less than what the other person faced.
Thanks for posting the update on why you did the deed. I can support that.
Assange refuses to shed public light on the misandrist rot in Western societies. I cease to give a shit about him because he won’t help himself – and by extension, all men – by exposing the false rapists of the West.
So, who exactly are you to decide what really happened?
Don’t be so sure that the channers will take these women down.
They’re mostly American or English-speaking, and they’d have to do some social engineering in Swedish and be generally familiar with Sweden to get closer to these women.
Well this hurts Wikileaks’ cause immensely. None of the people who’re now going to torture these two women know the full story. Nor do any of us. They’re being presumed guilty from the start. Not only that, but Assange is seen as heroic because he took on big, powerful nation-states. Exacting some kind of petty vengeance on these girls is not heroic at all, it’s bullying without consequences. The shitstorm that ensues will not reflect well on anyone and will only serve to further convince people that Wikileaks’ supporters are juvenile, misogynist and irresponsible. If you sincerely want Wikileaks to continue as a significant cultural force you should take this down now (although it’s clearly already too late).
Tell the world about this two predator woman.
I hope the male population understands and this two crying rape liars have to reduce their sexual life to a 1,5V batterie in the future.
In before the typical Reddit complaints and “reasonable responses.”
I think that these women deserve whatever happens as a result of this information being… leaked. Was I supposed to put on sunglasses before I said that?
And you KNOW this? I’m not saying he’s guilty, but i don’t like how these thigns tend to lack greyscales. How will posting their personal information so they can be harassed by “Anonymous” benefit freedom of speech and information?
When people stop thinking for themselves and get too caught up in mobs, we have a problem IMHO.
There have been a lot of nuanced journalism about this in Sweden and most of them agree that it was not rape, but that he was not as innocent as he says.
I can’t find the source so feel free to disregard my opinion. It was a radio show on a goverment owned swedish network who had studied the evidence.
If he’s charged with rape and didn’t rape her then i’m pretty sure he will be freed.
But it’s important not to mix things up. Just because what Assange is doing is great, does not mean he’s a ghreat guy in person. And the importance of Wikileaks is not related to Assange as a person.
“Assange is getting people killed, people that had their names hidden for a reason, like informants for the americans in afghanistan. â€
And of course, major powers in the world knew nothing about these before they were released and they don’t have teams of hackers snooping on everyone’s business every second of every day.
Get real, all this was, was getting the seedy world of espionage out in the open for normal people to read and understand. This has gone on since the beginning of time and Assange’s actions won’t start or stop people being killed in the name of ‘finding out what the other side are doing/think of us’ and it’s naive to think otherwise.
Remove this shit! Your childrens play will only backfire. The justice system will take of the matters on their own if it proves that they have lied, so no need for stalking!
They, just like Assange is _innocent_ until proven otherwise. If you are too stupid to understand this siple matter, just stay away from everything that includes judgement or justice. No charges has been filed for them nor for assange so dont judge anyone on beforehand.
It is a bloody difference between posting the secrecy of the government on wikileaks and personal information that might create scars in these women, who might just have been raped if the charges proves true. Transparent government, NOT transparent people!
By what right do you have to pass judgment? Everyone and their grandmother is an expert on Swedish law now? You read a couple of blogs and all of a sudden you think you know everything. There’s a reason we have legal systems, judges, lawyers, juries, and rule of law in the western world. And there’s a reason you are not part of that.
Seeing as you weren’t there, you can’t say that the sexual assaults didn’t happen.
You have no idea whether they happened or not. You believe that people are conspiring against Assange, therefore the rapes must have been made up. That may well turn out to be true, but posting someone’s details online when the truth is still unclear is a fucking terrible thing to do.
You muddy the cause of Wikileaks. Leaking the truth is one thing. Leaking an assumption, an opinion, or a guess, under the guise of truth is just as bad as what Governments have been doing.
So, stop pretending to be fighting for truth, when you’re stirring a pot of assumptions and potentially lies. You fucking hypocrite.
I salute you for what you’ve written in the update, Ferdinand. It’s about time for feminists to suffer.
Thanks for getting this out there Ferd.
Assange has taken on some very powerful entities and needs to be backed up by the people. If the disconnected entities of the internet don’t stand up for one another there will soon be no freedom of information outside of the “proper” channels.
And don’t worry too much about these women. They have multiple powerful governments on their side to protect them and the ladies no doubt agreed to such protection before going forward with such a lame accusation.
They probally was blackmailed and used by government to hit Assange.
They cant really arrest Assange for anything, afterall hes just host a website.
But they DO CAN find a “convenient reason” to put him in jail.
They used to be source of information, most of information they got could be got in illegal means… so bot of the girls could go to jail…
My bet is: Both of her got blackmailed and just trying to save theys blond asses.
Anna Ardin is apparently now hiding out in the West Bank, of all places:
http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=198862
I find it simply hilarious that Whiskey wholeheartedly supports NATO’s completely futile, costly and destructive attempt to marginalize the Taliban and keep Karzai and his cronies in power even though he correctly observed that the West is finished because it has already turned against the people who always defended and slaved away for it: beta males. This is similar to a loyal Soviet party official arguing in 1987 that Afghanistan must be defended from the Muslim fundamentalists at all costs and the “friendly regimes” of Nicaragua and Ethiopia must also be supported.
Haha, what did these women expect xD ??!! Create such a huge fuss and still stay anonymous on the internet!! No chance. But are we sure these are the women responsible before we start opening a can of Trolling? If these are the right women i hope they get ready and brace themselves because a shitstorm is heading their way. The kind that will fuck your life up forever. Internet is not ready to forgive you easily ladies :) .
Anonymous have this.
You assholes.
Let the courts decide if this was rape. Until then, these women are not our enemies.
If they’ve been roped into faking rape for political purposes, they’re pawns.
If they’ve been raped and you’re doing this, they’re victims.
I do not condone this one little bit.
Just like I don’t condone the attacks against Wikileaks.
If they haven’t been raped, then they’re the scum of society.
How many people get away with lies and slander in the world? Too many. There is no Justice in the Law, and for that reason, many people will carry out their own Vengeance.
There may be no place for Vengeance in society, but what choice do we have when our governments are just tainted and broken?
For anybody who isn’t aware of it, Roissy’s take on this affair is a good cure for “Troll’s Remorse”.
http://roissy.wordpress.com/2010/12/08/the-assange-rape-a-case-of-spurned-groupies/
*smash both*
With or without consent =D
hey anonymous u really reading every reply? xD nice one man lol didnt expect u to be that brave. where do you think this is gonna go man? think these women will ever see the light of day?
Releasing the names and contact information of Assange’s accusers was not moral, nor just. I support Wikileaks. I support Julian Assange. I condemn those that stand in the way of government transparency. However, how do you know, with ABSOLUTE certainty, that these women are indeed both liars? You don’t. You most certainly, without a doubt, do not know for sure. Yet, you go ahead and release this information that vigilantes WILL attempt to use. This is not serving justice. This is a breach of justice.
Rape is a serious charge. Being as serious as it is, it is for the courts to determine the legitimacy of. Yet, by posting this information, you deem yourself judge and jury. How do you justify this? I hope you will soon come to have deep regret for this decision of yours.
What is it with all the white knight commenters whose names all start with the letter ‘J’ (Jacob, Jake, Jesse…) and whose posts all sound the same?
“Still, 4chan has control. These guys can hunt down pedophiles and bring them to justice within days when the police have gotten nowhere in years. They will fail. They have to fail.”
This isn’t the same 4chan that has nothing but nude pics of 14 year olds is it?
If you have visited 4chan just once, even allowing that you did so for ‘research purposes’, then you have traces of child porn on your computer, and the feminist state can come for you, anytime, anywhere, because of child porn laws that feminists made.
@IHTG
It’s a government conspiracy. Obviously.
>if you lie about being raped, this is what will happen to you.
This is a bad move. Sure, in this particular case, we have most of the facts as to what happened between Assange and the women in question. But in many rape cases, we don’t, and this action sets a dangerous precedent for vigilante justice in other cases where a legitimate rape claim is seen to have been falsified or vindictive. Many women have lied about being raped, yes, but many women have also been accused of lying about rape and later been proven to have been telling the truth. What would be the result of publishing their personal contact details before the conclusion of a proper investigation and trial?
We like to think that, as the internet hive-mind, we know everything while the corrupt, corporate-controlled police know nothing. We’re often wrong.
If Anna Ardin is not a CIA agent and not totally stupid i don’t understand why she does not comment on this issue.
I’m pretty sure that if she comes out and ask for forgiveness because she was jealous and mad for revenge and did something wrong then she would get her peace pretty soon.
Or she should repeat the accusation.
Running away and thinking that she can play dead woman and return back into politics is just idiotic. She fucked up with the wong group of peoples: Hacktivists.
You fucking asshole! You just threw two innocent women to the dogs and you know it!
Ferdinand, who the hell do you think you are? Who made you judge and jury to decide whether these women are lying (or even if they are the true accusers?)
Your conscience has clearly been twisted by your blind devotion to your idealized mental image of a man whom you have never met and most likely never will. You should have kept this information to yourself and let the courts decide who is telling the truth.
I am 12, what is this website talking about!?
These women are not accusing him of rape. The weird swede law Assange is guilty of breaking is not about rape. The law has to do with him not wearing a condom during intercourse.
This is one of those laws intended to affect only violent sex offenders. Those types of people do NOT wear condoms. The law was drafted in order to add crimes and extra time / sentences to an already wretched crime. The women had consensual sex with Assange, and admit so. What they have recanted several times now, is that they did not consent to condomless sex. That’s it in a nutshell. Or in this case, nutjobs…
Assange is a rapist with several STDs. You’re ready to support this type of scum?
This is incredible: You are qualified to be judge, jury and executioner for these women? You have absolutely no right, qualification nor ability to judge whether or not the accusations are false and yet you, in the name of some unnameable ‘greater good’ have GROSSLY invaded their privacy. Whether or not the rapes happened, you’ve just gone and violated them in another way. I think the timing of these accusations is as suspect as anyone, but your attitude is so amazingly backward and victim blaming, it’s hard to believe I’m seeing this in the 21st century. Oh wait, no its not because misogynism is still fucking everywhere and you – along with all the other vigilantes who are omnisicient and know beyond a doubt that there was no rape – are perpetuating that. It’s disgusting.
You are a disgusting person for releasing this info. Absolutely the worst kind of human.
Look at the MANJAW on Sofia. Good lord, smh.
That’s not the message it sent to me, FB. What it told me was:
If you are raped and report it, and somebody doesn’t like that, then this is what will happen to you. We will do the MRA equivalent of jumping you on the way home, and publicly pillory you and throw you to the dogs. So keep your mouth shut, you slut, if you know what’s good for you.
We decide the truth now, and you can’t hide from us anywhere. And if somebody hurts you, then we’ll cry about it later. There’s a war going on and you are just collateral damage.
But maybe I was misunderstanding what you meant. Thanks for the clarification.
“They are arguably evil themselves for trying to destroy a man’s life over their feeeeelings.”
God, you’re SUCH a misogynistic fuck. You don’t KNOW that the rape didn’t occur. No one but Assange and these two women know. Yes, it’s fucking suspect I grant you, but you are part of the reason why rape is so underreported in this world. If the rapes did occur, you would be telling these women that they should build a bridge and get over it because they shouldn’t ruin Assange’s life. Well, if as the charges said he used his weight to hold one of them down to have sex – or as another charge said he had sex with the other while she was asleep – that’s pretty fucking clearly rape. Not using a condom when sex with a condom had been consented to is also rape. Consent can be revoked. Just because a woman consents initially doesn’t mean it can’t be withdrawn. If he kept going after he was asked to stop, that’s fucking rape.
Now I’m not saying the rape happened, but I’m not saying it didn’t – and in the meanfuckingtime, it’s not our business to drag these women through the mud.
Rarely does something get me this mad on the internet, but this is a whole other level. You are despicable.
Prepare for mass destruction. This ought to be interesting.
As someone already said, these women are either pawns or victims. It’s some seriously fucked up bullshit to publish their adresses and phone numbers here.
Shut up, Elle. You don’t know jack about FB, so nobody cares about your stupid judgement of him.
You’re such a disgusting person for posting this information. Let the legal system decided whether the sexual charges are false or not. Take this information down immediately, lest you want blood on your hands should something happen to these women.
So information wants to be free when it comes to wikileaks and addresses? Where’s yours, mate?
The manliness you stand for is one of cowardliness and bigotry, and I want no part of it.
This is honestly the most evil thing I have ever seen. Why would you harass these women? We don’t know how their interactions with Julian Assange went. Whether or not they are at fault or he is, this is absolutely terrible, and you, sir, are an awful person.
@Elle: Shut the fuck up Elle.
This biggest problem with this is that he stupid feminist influcenced swedish law have this “seeking advice” loophole which is just a gate for false rape accusations. In this case it’s highly political and non of the two femme fatals (or femme ugly in case of Sofia) is a 18 year old innocent. So they have to come out and say it in public. Unless they don’t do this i can’t do anything else then looking this as a political or personal revenge.
By the way “used his weight to hold one of them down to have sex” is called the missionary position. Yes it is the root of all evil.
You fucking idiots are so fucking short-sighted it’s laughable.
Have you not considered all of the options here? Maybe these women are being blackmailed by the US government – that’s just the first option which popped into my head. Maybe they are also being threatened? It’s not as simple as “well they accused him of false rape”. If you look at the facts, they only did so after the wikileaks exposure. Sure, maybe they are out to get him, and maybe they have something to gain, but you have to think a teeny tiny bit harder.
Woah. I think that might be going a bit far – I know you aren’t going to be the lunatic that acts on this information, but you will have to shoulder some of the responsibility if things go too far as a result of this.
There is injustice in the world, but magnifying it ten-fold and throwing it back on them isn’t the answer. There are more constructive ways to fight this cause.
Hillary says, ‘the leaked cables puts people’s lives in danger, threatens our national security and undermines our efforts to work with other countries to solve shared problems.â€
If that is so why were they on a DOD net to which over a million people
had some sort of access?
Sweden is not the only country with dumb broads.
How fucking drunk was he when he did Sofia ?! 0_o
FYI, acting remorseful doesn’t excuse you from being a sack of shit.
And once again, I find myself fighting on the side full of people I don’t like, against the one full of people I do. That seems like the story of my life lately, which is probably why I run around in a permanent bad mood. Just wanted you to know, FB, that I’m not with those people. I understand why you did that, I just don’t agree with it. But all of these idiots claiming you’re demon spawn are… idiots.
See you Monday, if your site is still up then. Looks like you stirred up a real hornet’s nest. Have fun with it.
“…it’s not our business to drag these women through the mud.
Rarely does something get me this mad on the internet, but this is a whole other level. You are despicable.”
@Elle
How about laws and policies that protect the indentities of both the accused and the accuser?
JA’s name came out, so in the interests of fairness and equality, the names of the accusers should be publicized.
Oh, right… fairness and equality… not what women want.
Fuck off, Elle.
+1 @Jesse
Zammo is correct.
you are a fucking nazi, exposing the ones YOU judge to be wrong about whatever you think.
and you seem to have no brains. if there should be any way justice is found, it is not you who will do it. you, as no one else who was not involved, has absolutly no idea what really happened between the women and assange. and even if they lied: this is absolutly no reason for exposing their adresses!!! that is blunt and primitive self-justice.
fuck you fuck you fuck you. you are really disgusting
“Zammo “, you macho (“women don’t want fairness”): julian assange already chose long before to be a very public person. there is no way to hide things if you are so extremely public. and as far as I know, no one who is critizising the publishing of the two women’s adresses made a statement about wether it is ok to publish private info about assange, nor published assanges adresses or anything the like.
keep things as they are, straight to the facts please.
it is a very disgusting thing to simply publish someone’s adress. I also would not agree to publish assanges.
fuck you
WTF is wrong with you people? You blindly believe that you are doing some good is smearing these girls. Let them have their day in court, I mean what do you truly know about the accusation besides the limelight seeking assange saying they are lying.
Really? Why not disclose his address, and what STDs he’s been treated for as well? Geez
All of you are so fucking stupid and blind. You are fools that deserve to be fully enslaved like the mindless idiots you are.
Read all of the comments on here: they are polarised either for “stringing these bitches up after raping them for hours” or “Assange is our hero and we must fight for justice for him”.
You are all dribbling idiots.
Assange is a plant. Wikileaks is a front. The documents it is leaking have no bearing. Everyone knew what they contain. There is no new knowledge contained in them. The deep state is still very comfortable and can see that you are all playing directly into its hands.
An outcome of this?: Assange possibly goes to jail, everyone is up in arms, these two women are murdered by retarded misogynists who think that they should die, new laws regulating the internet and free speech are brought in, the deep state sits comfortable knowing you fools did its work for it.
Wikileaks next move: releases data about Bank Of America. BoA share price falls, The deep state have shorted against it so they make more money. Everyone else gets poorer. You all lose. They win.
You are all fools misdirected by the slightest thing.
Former U.S. Army TIER-1 Special Operations Soldier turned Radical Leftist Evangelical Christian Feminist, Stan Goff supports Julian Assange’s Wikileaks activities but still opposes him as a rapist, even as the evidence mounts against Ardin and Wilens.
http://www.feralscholar.org/blog/index.php/2010/12/02/wikileaks-and-sex/
He even goes so far as to link to very MRA blogs and call them disingenuous for supporting the culture of rape and supposedly perpetuating the MYTH of male victimization under misandry.
This just goes to show you how complex and fucked up the issue is becoming.
@wherever
You say “macho” like it’s a bad thing.
Julian is being branded a rapist and is now sitting in jail on the mere words of his accusers with no physical evidence and no witnesses. Ah, feminist-based jurisprudence at its finest.
The first Irony is just above the facebook/share/tweet bar it says “sharing is sexy”.
The main problem is the shield laws were designed to protect “nice girls” that were brutally attacked in dark alleys, not this “oh, I changed my mind the next day so I am retroactively declaring it to be a rape”. “Consentual” sex now requires a complex negotiation at every step?
Assange is the kind of man “mother warned them about”. This seems to be basic logic – don’t take strange men home with you (or go to their homes) if you want to stay in control. Or have a chaperon. Maybe Assange is a creep, but that isn’t criminal.
But like the Anita Hill case of 20 years ago, I feel NO sympathy at all for any woman who would be made the tools of a political state to ruin a man’s reputation, or worse imprison him (Assange has NOT been charged yet!). They should withdraw the charges. These girls are spearing and being used to smear Assange.
But Men, remember, if she decides she made a mistake to consent two years later, it’s rape.
he has not been trialed yet. he is in custody! yes, that is how things function, and now it has to be seen wether there is enough evidence. otherwise no woman could ever get justice ever.
but this any way is not really the question here. whatever is right or wrong in this case, has first of all nothing do with feminism or not, second, no matter what IT IS ABSOLUTLY NOT OK TO PUBLISH THE ADRESSES!!
how manz dumbasses may now harm them? such a primitive idiotic thing.
and yes, being a macho is a bad thing.
p.s.: the last comment was for zammo
You are USDA Prime Douchebag. You don’t know what happened. You don’t know these girls are lying. You don’t know shit. You’re ready to crucify them based on rumours and that makes you a thousand times worse than them–EVEN if they are guilty.
Talk about a goddamn lynch mob. Jesus Christ. It’s fun stringing up someone else isn’t it? You sicken me. All of you.
You a-hole! You should say “People have consequences” not “women have consequences”. This is why I fucking hate humanity. I can’t help the fact that I was born a woman so why do I have to be below a man? I swear, if I keep coming across stupid women and a-hole guys, I’m going to turn into a murderer. I don’t care about you posting those girls’ info but please stop making it seem like men are so much better than women. All of you guys! Or you’re going to create a monster that chops off guys’ dicks and sews shut girls’ cunts.
To all those complaining about how horrified Ferdinand has made you feel.
This is precisely how I have felt countless times.
Yes, I have lost count.
Every time a case is judged before it’s gone to trial, when a man merely accused of rape has been ‘outed’.
And often, the man turns out to be entirely innocent, but his reputation is destroyed, while his accuser retains her anonymity.
So many times have I felt this – you could take your own words, reverse the situation, and I could have written them on virtually any other day.
It’s truly gratifying to see radical feminists running scared.
I hope you radfems and false accusers realise.
This can happen to any of you.
“Or you’re going to create a monster that chops off guys’ dicks and sews shut girls’ cunts.”
I appreciate your concerns, a person. But feminism is responsible for this fledgling monster. In stirring up discontent between the sexes, it creates – shockingly – more misogyny. As well as, of course, more misandry.
Everybody loses when it comes to feminism.
Publicizing those women’s addresses didn’t put them on risk any larger than publicizing all details about Julian Assange and virtually destroying his life and possibly the lives of many people close to him. An act those two have orchestrated whether for personal revenge or worse. And frankly I fear MUCH, MUCH WORSE.
At least one of those women seems to have such a bizarre (ok, it’s not just bizarre, it’s downright flaky) background, interests and relations, that she will surely find plenty of ways to get protected or even “transformed” into someone else. Don’t make a mistake, this is not a vulnerable, little, abused girl. This woman – is a dangerous, very capable – and I dare to say – “will go over dead bodies” individual.
(Yeah, why should we believe that the info found in various sources online is true? We don’t have to, but strangely…somehow…this kind of info seems to be invariable correct…)
http://progressivealaska.blogspot.com/2010/12/assange-accuser-worked-with-us-funded.html
http://nicholasmead.com/2010/08/21/how-to-smear-a-hero/
http://theoligarchkings.wordpress.com/2010/12/09/assange’s-accuser-takes-a-powder/
“Oh wait, no its not because misogynism is still fucking everywhere and you – along with all the other vigilantes who are omnisicient and know beyond a doubt that there was no rape – are perpetuating that. It’s disgusting.”
There was no rape,not as we understand the word. He supposedly fucked one of these chicks without a condom, that’s not rape.
“Not using a condom when sex with a condom had been consented to is also rape.”
Oh really? Then if I give you a sweater, on the condition that you’ll wear it, and you don’t, is that THEFT?
Is it grand larceny if you turn around and regift a Christmas present I got for YOU specifically to use?
Cause that’s what you’re saying.
How about if your boyfriend buys you an engagement ring for YOU TO WEAR and you pawn it? Should he be able to have you arrested for that?
Your argument is fucking ABSURD and it would not hold up in court for anything else.
Good call FB, may these filthy false accusers suffer a small fraction of the misery they enjoy inflicting on others.
@Legion: Preach it brother.
Gee Ferd, look at all the insipid, delusional, intellectually-challenged feminazis you’ve upset. Their pathetic, self-loathing mangina enablers are out in great numbers as well.
That’s a sure fire way to know you must be doing something right.
As long as feminist-inspired misandry is the law of the land in the West, calls for “letting the courts sort it out” can not and will not be taken seriously. At least not by a sizable portion of us.
As always Ferd, you’ve got my respect.
Victim feminists have expanded the concept of rape to ridiculous extremes. Sadly, the white knight Quislings in the various criminal courts have bought into the feminist nonsense and happily lock up guys on the mere words of a “raype” accusation.
And to “wherever” – macho is a damned good thing. Guess what? Women love macho men and always have. Oh, I know, you’re a woman and hate macho men… of course, you represent the desires of women worldwide… all hail the all-knowing “wherever”!
Get stuffed, you’re irrelevant.
Fucking bitches. Good job, Ferdy. This had to be done.
bunch of white knighting manginas and delusional femmiroids
payback is going to be a bitch
” whatever is right or wrong in this case, has first of all nothing do with feminism or not, second, no matter what IT IS ABSOLUTLY NOT OK TO PUBLISH THE ADRESSES!!”
Ah,I see, so it’s only ok to publish the names of MEN who are being ACCUSED of rape,so vigilantes can forcibly sodomize them, cut their heads off,castrate them or do any number of the unspeakable atrocities to them that are ON RECORD right now as having ACTUALLY happened.
“you, as no one else who was not involved, has absolutly no idea what really happened between the women and assange. and even if they lied: this is absolutly no reason for exposing their adresses!!! that is blunt and primitive self-justice.”
You’re right, we should wait for the courts to arrest these women and jail them for ruining a man’s life with a false rape accusation, feel free to hold your breath until that happens, you’re wasting other people’s oxygen anyway.
Self-justice is the only justice available to a man falsely accused of rape, if the courts or the journalists were doing their jobs on this, these women’s addresses wouldn’t NEED to be published.
The idea that a man can even be arrested for “rape” for not wearing a condom is a miscarriage of justice. It may be wrong,it may be fraud, but RAPE,it ain’t. Calling it rape actually trivializes the condition of the very people you SAY you’re concerned about protecting.
At this rate, when a woman cries “rape” in 10 years, instead of a mental image of a psychopath brutally assaulting her, most people will picture some punk kid at Wendy’s getting her order wrong. You don’t realize what kind of harm you’re doing to the public perception of rape by claiming ridiculous shit like condom fraud is “rape”.
By exposing the personal information of these women, not only do you potentially threaten these people’s lives, you also threaten the fight for Wikileaks. The very fact that companies such as Paypal, Mastercard et. al were targeted was that they cut off funding on the belief that what Wikileaks was doing was illegal, without due process of law. Now you’re projecting your beliefs in the same manner, but doing so in a manner that’s exponentially worse. What positive outcome can this possibly deliver? All you’re doing by being an idiot is providing more reason why government will consider the Internet as something dangerous and in dire need of controlling. Congratulations. You’re all helping to destroy everything that you think you’re fighting for. Instead of trying to get people killed, why not make a donation to Wikileaks, flood congress with letters or help mirror their content?
Who the hell do you think you are posting these women’s contact details? Is it any wonder why rape is the most under reported crime, when this is what happens to women who report.
You threaten to do the same to all “false accusers” but you have no idea what actually happened. Let the courts decide and don’t be so arrogant as to assume you know.
The kind of misogyny displayed on this blog and in these comments makes me genuinely fear for their safety.
FYI if a woman consents to sex only only on condition that he wears a condom and the man either forces her to have sex without one or deceives her into thinking that he is using one, then she has not consented to the act that has happened and it is rape. She has been forced to significantly increase her risk of pregnancy and/or STDs and her bodily integrity has been violated.
To argue a woman who consents to sex with a condom deserves to have condom-less sex by force or deception if that’s what her partner wants, is like saying that someone who orders one type of food in a restaurant should be force fed or tricked into eating whatever the chef wants to serve him/her, regardless of whether it could be disease ridden.
“By exposing the personal information of these women, not only do you potentially threaten these people’s lives, you also threaten the fight for Wikileaks.”
I don’t really get where that’s coming from. When has a woman ever been in danger when she was exposed as a liar?
Crystal Gail Mangum never got axed and everybody knows who she is. You guys act like it’s gonna be the apocalypse if people know who these women are and where to reach them,but if it’s not dangerous to publish the name of a man after he’s been accused of a vile lynch mob-stirring crime like RAPE, how much LESS dangerous would it be for two women who committed a crime that only a handful of people (the MRM) take seriously?
From what is being claimed, Assange did use a condom, but that it broke during sex. Based on his objection to using one it is being proposed that he sliced it with a razor or something so that it would break; which is almost definitely not going to be able to be proved in court even with the condom.
One of his ‘victims’ is indeed crying rape because she found out that he’s a creepy nerd. Getting to know him before fucking him would of course have prevented this ‘rape’.
I particularly love the White Knight syllogism of these women being either the victims of the powers that be, or Assange. Apparently women lack agency altogether.
You also have to love the sudden faith in the criminal justice system of Western nations. I’ll certainly support the line of reasoning that the system provides justice in such an infallible manner and has never systematically misapplied justice. Of course that won’t happen. We all know that the system is either infallible or absolutely fallible depending on who is being judged. What justice!
To end with an inane literary quote: “Justice is the means by which established injustices are sanctioned.”
“FYI if a woman consents to sex only only on condition that he wears a condom and the man either forces her to have sex without one or deceives her into thinking that he is using one, then she has not consented to the act that has happened and it is rape. ”
Then you should go to prison for theft, I’m sure your family gave you some socks or sweaters for Christmas for you to wear that you never actually used.
They never consented to the act of you giving them away or throwing them away, you stole their property. You took money that they intended to spend on you and reappropriated it how you saw fit. You stole their money.
That’s the exact same argument you’re making about the condomless consensual sex.
She consented to sex with a condom, not without,therefore the sex which she consented to (she didn’t consent to the condom,she consented to the act of sexual intercourse) is transmogrified into rape,which by the way means sex that was forced on a woman. In this case, condomlessness was forced on her,not sex,she consented to that.
Your mom buys you a sweater to wear, you accept the sweater (wasn’t what you wanted,but you don’t want to hurt her feelings) she asks “Are you going to wear this?”,you say “Yes”, you take the sweater which she gives on the condition that you’ll wear it, you have just defrauded her and stolen her money,making you guilty of theft, according to your definition of crime.
He isn’t culpable for rape. He did not set out to have sex with the woman against her will (rape), indeed he did not,she consented to have sex with him, but with the caveat of a condom. She still consented to the sex. It’s still the same man,the same penis, the same vagina, the same act. Those facts have not changed,ergo, there was no rape. What there was, was a case of fraud,i.e., he lied about wearing a condom.
If that’s rape,then we’d have to lock up every woman who ever lied about being on the pill to have sex with a man, and there are quite a few of them.
Please tell me you’re consistent in your insane beliefs, please, AT LEAST TELL ME that you believe a woman who lies about being on the pill or having gonorrhea is ALSO a rapist.
Oh man, I forgot about this gem repeated several times in this thread:
How exactly is it even fucking possible to know what crimes aren’t getting reported? The only statistics we have on crimes are based on what gets reported. That rape is ‘under reported’ is vastly under reported is based on what exactly? If you are so keen on evidentiary procedures then substantiate the claim of the under reporting of rape with some actual evidence.
Deep breath, everybody. Simmer down. Anger is good, but you’re attacking the wrong targets.
Neither woman pressed charges; neither woman pressed rape charges. Both owned up to it being consensual. Sweden (a country determined to make women into mindless victims and men into slavering fiends whether they want to be or not, take a look at their failure of a prostitution “law”) did all that for them. This is a political stunt, and aiming your fire in the wrong direction helps no one.
Sweden’s been championing the victim/fiend mentality since the Kvinnofrid law passed in 1999. Please direct your vengeance at the source of the stupidity; not the people caught up in it. It will do everyone a lot more good.
Flamewarrior, do you have links to these women not actually being the ones pressing charges?
If that’s the case, that’s even more messed up. Then it really is a set-up. Anyone feel like DDoSing Sweden?
Publishing a name vs. publishing a residential address and phone numbers are in no way similar. If you honestly believe that publishing a gross amount of personal information on the Internet is a harmless act, please feel free to leave your personal details as a reply. Since you’re not going to do that, please realize the absurdity of what you just implied through introspection.
For the record, I have my opinions on this matter as well, but I’m not quick to “claim” that I absolutely know the facts. Unless you’re Julian Assange or his dick, you really don’t know what happened that night with any absolute certainty. If you want to support him, contribute to his cause. This is egregious.
Jesse says:
Rape is a serious charge.
At least in Sweden, it’s a frivolous charge.
Being as serious as it is, it is for the courts to determine the legitimacy of.
The Swedish courts are a joke, and FB isn’t subject to their laws.
Yet, by posting this information, you deem yourself judge and jury. How do you justify this?
That one’s easy. By equating rape with a broken condom and morning-after regrets, they’re being judged accordingly.
While I find it questionable posting their info (mainly due to liability concerns), sometimes the world needs old fashioned shaming. Bravo!
http://tinyurl.com/2b4v8m8
“Woman A said afterwards that she had not wanted to press charges but had gone to support the younger woman, who wanted police advice on how to get Assange to take a medical test.
In any event, the police woman at the reception and two male officers, one from the sex crimes unit, believed there was enough evidence to call the female duty prosecutor, who issued the warrants.”
also:
http://www.npr.org/2010/12/07/131884445/The-Swedish-Case-Against-Assange
“BLOCK: The women did eventually go to the police. Did they press charges? Did they go and say, this man, Julian Assange, raped me?
Mr. HOSENBALL: No. As understand it, they just sort of told their stories to police and didn’t want him to be prosecuted. However, the prosecutor on duty on a Friday night is a kind of weekend prosecutor, decided that the facts were too condemnatory to ignore. So the prosecutor on duty on Friday night issued a warrant for his arrest on rape and molestation charges.”
I think Wilen has now been talked around to believing that she was victimized, but at the time the original warrant was issued they hadn’t even made complaints, just sought advice. Both said the sex was consensual and neither wanted to prosecute. If I had to take a guess it would be that Sour Grapes 1 and 2 probably wanted to humiliate him a bit by dragging him in for a test- you KNOW it would have made the news and I’m sure you can even picture the headlines. The police and prosecutor decided for them that they had been raped and issued the warrant without them.
Boy so you have balls. Personally, I can see both sides but I think this could get you in some shit.
Yes, they are evil bitches but I wouldn’t go this route.
Hey, “do you”
great post especially the statements on the bottom which I concur with 103%…
Honor and reciprocity shall reap fairness across all
Mastercard, Visa and Paypal all did something stupid because “someone” said “something”. There were no facts involved. And that is what stared this whole cyberwar. And now look. More of the same. You aren’t any better then they are.
Good work Ferd, I’m dedicating this song to these two lovely “victims”
Here’s to you Anna and Sofia
Tried to embed this vid, here’s the link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-VeOakGGPQ
“Publishing a name vs. publishing a residential address and phone numbers are in no way similar.”
Really. You don’t think I can find YOUR ass from your name and picture, and if I was your average bystander, would not be highly motivated to find you and KILL YOU if you lived anywhere near me?
That happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Richard Ramirez had to be rescued by the police from a beat-down by a mob,and all they had was a bad police sketch of him,IIRC. His crimes? Rape and murder. Seeing as how he was in L.A., I’m guessing he didn’t get his ass beat for the murders.
“If you honestly believe that publishing a gross amount of personal information on the Internet is a harmless act, please feel free to leave your personal details as a reply. Since you’re not going to do that, please realize the absurdity of what you just implied through introspection.”
Fuck no, I’m not. I don’t have tits and a vagina, that means that every male on earth isn’t bound by society to act as my bodyguard.
I said nothing would happen to these WOMEN,and I firmly believe it won’t.
Even psychopathic murderers shank people for harming women. Nobody’d waste a shank on my behalf. I’M a guy.
“…please realize the absurdity of what you just implied through introspection.”
Please shut the fuck up and read what I actually wrote:
“I don’t really get where that’s coming from. When has a WOMAN ever been in danger when she was exposed as a liar?”
The operative word is WOMAN.
“Seriously”, name one recent case where a woman received ANY punishment,vigilante or otherwise, for the crime of falsely reporting rape that is anywhere NEAR what somebody who would trivialize such a brutal crime deserves?
I have NEVER heard of ANYONE taking vigilante justice on a female false accuser and I have read literally thousands of reports that were admitted to be false. If it has ever happened, it would definitely be a fluke because most women get away scot free with destroying a man’s life with a false rape charge. In fact, they probably take for granted that they can do it.
Notice the one bitch’s essay was called “7 LEGAL steps to get revenge” not “7 criminal steps” they abuse the law the way a heroin addict abuses the needle. They’re drunk on it. And no, sadly, we live in a world where we can’t even count on half-cocked nutcases like the ones that don suicide vests and blow up abortion clinics to punish women like these, because they ARE women, and every male within a mile is duty-bound to be her personal expendable meat shield.
The truth is invariably what sounds the ugliest and is the hardest to hear, in my experience,in light of that,this is the truth about false rape accusations. If you are a man, which I’m unclear about, and some woman accuses you of rape, your life is ruined forever and there’s nothing you can do about it…and that’s BEFORE the trial,if you’re convicted, you’re as good as dead.
There are some retarded bumfuck men from Sweden posting on this thread. No wonder your country and feelings-based legal system is the laughing stock of all sane societies.
a) why would you trust a legal system to work properly when it allows a mindless bitch to file RAPE charge over a broken condom? Doesn’t this suggest the legal system is too flawed to be credible..
b) where is your outrage when every single lamestream article in the world, except for real journalism as seen on this blog, has named Assange as wanted for “sex crimes” and “rape” without giving any background details of the case, without exposing the “legal revenge” desire of Anna, a rabid feminist and one of the accusers.
All of this detail is known only because of bloggers like inmalafide did the investigative journalism and exposing the true motives of these feminist cunts and liars.
Now the only reason Assange hasn’t already been convicted b ypublic opinion as a rapist and a sexual predator is because this is an international story with a public figure as its main target. Had the accused in this case been a random man, an average Swedish bumfuck like the ones posting here today, the media would just PARROT, like the mindless brainwash machine that they are, at whatever the law based on women’s feelings deemed the man to be. One of Sweden’s government minister even said something like “We have no problem with 25-30% of the men rotting in our prisons being innocent of the sex crime they were accused of by a woman”
The legal system is a joke and any Swedish bumfuck who mindlessly parrots the saying, “let the courts decide” is guilty of being a naive and intellectually dishonest little sheep.
We are dealing with man-haters in the lamestream media and manhaters who setup these legal systems and court of laws based on women’s FEELINGS. When Swedish law allows RAPE to be the crime of whenever a woman wants to punish the man with “legal revenge”, then we must all realize the LEGAL SYSTEM you are so trusting of, is as reliable as a gorilla’s anus.
Seriously? says:
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Seriously, get your ass back in the kitchen and make me a ham sandwich you yapping bitch
“a) why would you trust a legal system to work properly when it allows a mindless bitch to file RAPE charge over a broken condom? Doesn’t this suggest the legal system is too flawed to be credible..”
This +1
“b) where is your outrage when every single lamestream article in the world, except for real journalism as seen on this blog, has named Assange as wanted for “sex crimes†and “rape†without giving any background details of the case, without exposing the “legal revenge†desire of Anna, a rabid feminist and one of the accusers.”
Exactly my point. If women even THOUGHT they might have a possible lynch mob scenario on their hands, how many do YOU reckon would attempt to get “legal revenge” on anyone? It used to be quite common in America,usually in cases of rape,mind you, for lynch mobs to render what they perceived to be justice when the law “failed them”. A lot of black men were afraid for their lives to be around white women during those times.
Why isn’t this woman afraid of openly declaring and sharing a strategy with other women to abuse the law to “get revenge” on men? Because nobody, not the courts,not the police,not the public, not the men they have wronged,is going to do anything about it. Nobody cares about men who have been wronged, it doesn’t sell newspapers, it doesn’t get people to watch tv, and it certainly doesn’t inspire people to vigilante justice.
The handful of people you see here are the only ones that are pissed off about this. Granted, we are EXTREMELY pissed off, but none of us is going to harm these women, that won’t help men who have been falsely accused or Assange in the slightest.
First, you have NO idea of who’s lying or not in this case.
Second – do you think CIA plants with a mission would be so dumb so they posted twitters they would have to remove later?
I agree with you that the manner of these charges is very fishy, but that has nothing to do with these women, since they did not press charges. You see, in Sweden the state can press charges for some crimes, including rape, and that is what happened in this case. The state, in the form of prosecutor Marianne Ny, wants to press charges. It’s her idea to use interpolation to find Assange to question him. It’s Nu who requested that Assange should be kept in prison without access to Internet.
It’s highly probable that this is political, but not on the part the girls.
Haven’t you heard of the Law of Unintended Consequences? Do you think that for some reason you are better then Sarah Palin and her red targets? Do you recall the coffin and the cut gas line? You’ve had a kneejerk reaction, we’ve all had them. But YOU can make a difference here. Show us you’re better then “them”. Remove. This. Page.
Looks like the women, white knights and manginas don’t like FB posting these.
Well, tough shit. Us men don’t have anonymity to hide behind when we get accused of a crime, and what FB is doing is PERFECTLY LEGAL, so if you don’t like it either grow the fuck up and accept, or cry some else (but do it elsewhere, so we don’t have to see it). I hope this does put fear into their hearts, because their obvious false accusation certainly did in Assange.
And I have to laughed at the notion that rape is the most unreported crime. There is no evidence to support this claim, and likely came about due to the “rape culture” that feminists pushed. I wouldn’t be surprised if women on men domestic violence is more unreported.
“Show us you’re better then “themâ€. Remove. This. Page.”
We all know you wouldn’t be saying this if the roles were reversed, and it was a woman who is publishing contact information of men making an accusation against another woman. How about you show you’re better than the white knights here, and act like a man, and not some pussy whipped boy?
Hypocrisy abounds does it not?
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In Mala Fide is, for all intents and purposes, an open forum. You can express any opinion or use any language that you like without fear of censorship.
There is one rule, however: “outing†individuals by posting any information about them that could comprise their anonymity, or links to information of that type, is STRICTLY FORBIDDEN.
Offenders will have their comments edited to remove the compromising info. Repeat offenders will be placed in moderation. Extreme offenders will be banned. No exceptions.
Wow dude. You’re an asshole. Seriously.
@ Dan the Man – Who is this so called “we”? No you don’t know that. You absolutely nothing about me. Which means you just made my point about all of this. Facts are sorely lacking. Or, let me put it another way. Prove it.
“White Knight”. That’s pretty good. White Night is more like it. I like that. Thanks.
You have Ardin’s old address. Her current address is:
Tjurbergsgatan 36 4tr
118 56 Stockholm
I don’t understand the point: These are the physical addresses.
Are you trying to get some of these deep 4chan teenage mongols to their house to do something _physical_ to these persons?
Or maybe the guys of Stormfront?
I don’t think that your Messiah is worth a potential physical assault on people, no matter if they have sinned against your prophet.
You can also post my address, why not.
I don’t trust this guy Assange I must therefore be soem type of CIA spy…
But worts: I don’t like lynch mobs, nor do I like Messiahs.
And I posted some comments against The Messiah Assange in Slashdot.
Here is my address if you want to come to lynch me:
Piet van Haaren
Palaisstraat, 2 1012RB
Amsterdam, Nederland
It’s not about Assange. Personally, I wouldn’t cry much if the US sent a hit team to take him out as payback for the dead Afghan informers. That would be justice.
But that’s not why these women did what they did. They supported his actions in that regard. It’s just their personal feelings that motivate what they did – and by doing so, they make it a little bit easier for false rape accusations everywhere else where feminism holds sway. That’s a direct threat to me personally. That’s why I want them punished.
What’s good for the gander is what’s good for the geese.
Or is moral reciprocity not applicable to geese because they’re special little snowflakes incapable of taking responsibility for their actions?
And why is this blog hosted in the US? You might want to move it to somewhere with more privacy protection.
TAKE THE ADRESSES DOWN NOW!
EVERYONE WHO THINKS THE SAME: TELL THEM TO DO SO IN YOUR POSTS!
or attack the webpage if you are able to!
this is the most primitive way of self-judgement without knowing what really happened.
it is not about wether they lied or not, it is about:
first: that you do not know this!!!
second: even if so – we should be in a civilized state of trying to have a lawful way of dealing with things! and it is absolutly no excuse to say “look how assange has been exposed”. so what???? it is not ok to expose him so much, but do not do the same, you fucking mysogyne bastards. THINK before you act like neandertalers!!
TAKE THE ADRESSES DOWN NOW!
EVERYONE WHO THINKS THE SAME: TELL THEM TO DO SO IN YOUR POSTS!
or attack the webpage if you are able to!
this is the most primitive way of self-judgement without knowing what really happened.
it is not about wether they lied or not, it is about:
first: that you do not know this!!!
second: even if so – we should be in a civilized state of trying to have a lawful way of dealing with things! and it is absolutly no excuse to say “look how assange has been exposedâ€. so what???? it is not ok to expose him so much, but do not do the same, you fucking mysogyne bastards. THINK before you act like neandertalers!!
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Wah wah wah! You hurt my feelings and now I’m going to hurl mindless insults of misogyny at you to make myself feel good. I’m also going to ignore all the valid arguments of hypocrisy if the roles were reversed and just keep on calling you all bitter penises. Look over here, at me, I iz a woman, also known as an overgrown child having an incoherent tantrum while expecting to be treated likes an adult. Where is my emotional diarrhea pill?
THINK before you act like neandertalers!!
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Women PROJECT about everything. Whether it is calling men sex-obsessed perverts, child abusing deadbeats, lazy, incopetent, whiny or immature. All of it is pure projection of a woman’s own self-hate. And to the white knights out there, keep batting for the insane asylum, maybe one day Sarah Conner will reward you with pity sex – you’ll be the bottom bitch.
Thank you for posting the picture of Sofia Wilén. I suspected she might be someone I know, but the picture seems to tell me she is not that Sofia Wilén.
It was a great surprise to me when I found out that Anna Ardin was one of the women. When I had contact with her I noticed it was a person having difficulties with the truth, but that she was capable of this was unexpected.
A very interesting article about Anna Ardin and what happened when Julian Assange visited Sweden in August is the following written by Göran Rudling: http://www.samtycke.nu/2010/09/fallet-assange-uppgifter-raderas-om-och-om-igen/
As much as i support Mr.Assange, and believe in his innocence, i do not support in any way the publishment of these women’s adresses online. As it might put them in great danger. I do NOT support any kind of violent acts! There are enough crazy people in this world, that might do anything to these women, and those who published the info online are just as guilty!
“But that’s not why these women did what they did. They supported his actions in that regard. It’s just their personal feelings that motivate what they did – and by doing so, they make it a little bit easier for false rape accusations everywhere else where feminism holds sway. That’s a direct threat to me personally. That’s why I want them punished.”
Yup.
“second: even if so – we should be in a civilized state of trying to have a lawful way of dealing with things! and it is absolutly no excuse to say “look how assange has been exposedâ€. so what???? it is not ok to expose him so much, but do not do the same, you fucking mysogyne bastards. ”
Fuck you. There is no civility or lawful discourse afforded to men. They put your name and picture up on the front page and call your accuser “the victim” and don’t even use the word “alleged”, all before any kind of trial has even taken place.This is equality.
This is justice.
If you don’t like the way it works then you should have been getting outraged at the journalists when they were doing this to MEN. You weren’t,though. What were you doing? Oh, I remember now, you were calling us “whiners” and “crybabies”. Well, who’s fucking whining now,bitches? Who’s crying now?
I’ll give you the same advice you gave me and my brothers, MAN UP.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1337862/WikiLeaks-rape-victims-hidden-agendas—Ive-seen-proof-says-Assange-lawyer.html
I like sex with sluts too! Arrest me!!
SUPER FUCKING LOL at all these moronic liberal pantshitters! When you hang around intellectual sites like this one, it’s so easy to forget how retarded the average internet user is.
If you don’t like the way it works then you should have been getting outraged at the journalists when they were doing this to MEN.
Some of us were.
Journalists shouldn’t be posting that sort of information about anyone. Name and a photo are okay, but contact information is going too far. It’s just about these two women, it’s about the precedent it sets for personal privacy.
“not just about”, I meant.
“Name and a photo are okay, but contact information is going too far. It’s just about these two women, it’s about the precedent it sets for personal privacy.”
That’s the point I’m making, a name and photo ARE NOT ok, not before a man has even had a trial. Fuck,Alte, you of all people should know the way the newspapers write these things up, the men are guilty in the public mind before a court has ever had the chance to decide a damned thing.
If you were a man, and you had this axe hanging over YOUR head, I doubt you’d say “Oh, a name and a photo are ok, but publishing the contact information is taking it one step too far.” If you publish the man’s name and photo, you might as well publish his contact info too because people are going to go looking for the “rapist” they read about in the newspaper to “teach him to respect women”. ALL YOU NEED TO FIND ANYBODY IS THEIR NAME AND PHOTO. It was like that BEFORE the internet,ask any private detective. You don’t even NEED the goddamned home address or phone number.
“It’s just about these two women, it’s about the precedent it sets for personal privacy.”
It’s funny that all these people only care about personal privacy when we’re talking about protecting two women who RAPED Assange over and over with law enforcement,news media, and public perception. Turned him into a brutal psychopath in the public mind because a FUCKING CONDOM BROKE during sex they consented to.
Here you are, all this time, vocalizing your support on men’s sites for men who have been falsely accused in theory, but when it comes time to support a man who is being falsely accused RIGHT NOW, you come down on the side of Team Vagina and slandering a man with charges of one of the most vile crimes on earth because of a fucking broken condom. So much for women supporting men’s rights, huh?
This is the only way to draw attention to the way this man and other men have been treated, because nobody cares about violations of privacy until it’s a WOMAN’S privacy being violated.
What about the fucking THOUSANDS of men who are fucking DEAD right now because their names and pictures were published? What about THEIR GODDAMNED PRIVACY? What about THEIR FUCKING DUE PROCESS?
You’re just like the rest of them. You don’t give a FUCK about men’s rights so don’t ever say you do again.
This is going too far. You don’t directly know the case. I think you should have released some but not all of the information. Maybe photo and email but not home address.
2 wrongs don’t make a right. What you are doing is giving credibility to their evil agenda. It’s like when the US does racial profiling – the main thing they are doing is giving a just reason to the terrorist. Don’t give away the moral high ground.
Probably people would accuse you of going to far no matter what you do. But some discretion would have been better. Home addresses are not the right thing to do.
I don’t think these two women intended the problem that has been created in their name. I don’t think it is normal for Interpol to issue an alert for this sort of personal dispute. It is media and probably CIA that are yelling rape – not these women. They are following Swedish law.
I think you should have done pictures, email and twitter, but not address. (Or maybe just say the city not the house number) That would not be white knight. That would just be humane.
I’d also like to say that you could have held your cards and released a little at a time to gauge the reaction and see when enough was enough. Learn from Wikileaks! They are radically open but they have discretion and they are drawing it out strategically. This move will paint you as a dangerous vigilante and undo many of your more intelligent achievements. Mistake.
Also it’s super important to constantly say that the personality and character of Julian Assange are irrellevent. We should stop being so shallow and look at what wikileaks is really doing not get so caught up in sensationalism.
I guess you’ve got your ad revenue. Shame.
by the way, Anna Ardin lives in Palestina. I wonder why?
@Larson:
“by the way, Anna Ardin lives in Palestina. I wonder why?”
No she doesn’t!
She is still in Stockholm. She was on the list but this christian organization refused to take her to Palestine because of the expected media impact. The goats on misty mountains photo on her blog is just another fucking lie from Anna Ardin.
Thank you for your article to the next
Calm down Nergal..
It’s the Swedish law that is the problem here.
In any case… It is really hard to feel sorry for the little Aussie slut fucker.. Lol.
He has no morals.. Those sluts have no morals..
I’d call it square. :)
Assange is a pathetic narcissistic prick!
Read this enlightening article from Melbourne writer Luke Walladge..
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/41934.html
Here is an extract… for you troglodytes who can read… Lol
“Julian Assange has a worldview that includes demolishing what he sees as “authoritarian, militaristic and corporation-friendly Western systems of government”. Assange is a dangerous anarcho-Marxist with paranoid tendencies and enough conspiracy theories to keep the Grassy Knoll Society busy for a month. He views the US as “essentially an authoritarian conspiracy”.
Assange has a clear and avowed bias, and allows it to affect WikiLeaks’s actions. In the case of their video release entitled “Collateral Murder” – a title clearly designed to convey that US soldiers acted outside the rules of engagement – it was not initially revealed that WikiLeaks had edited the video to slow it down and identify the Reuters staff and their camera equipment seen in the video.
Nor was it revealed that a few seconds later, they did not identify “that at least one man in that group was carrying a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, a clearly visible weapon that runs nearly two-thirds the length of his body”. Further, WikiLeaks did not point out that “at least one man was carrying an AK-47 assault rifle. He is seen swinging the weapon below his waist while standing next to the man holding the RPG”.
In an interview later, Assange acknowledged that “it’s likely some of the individuals seen in the video were carrying weapons”. This, in an area where the gunship had not 20 minutes earlier been engaged in a firefight with insurgents. The presence of a rocket launcher and rounds for the launcher was left out of the video, as was the context of the battle preceding; however, WikiLeaks still felt comfortable putting “Murder” in the video’s title, and Assange declared, “It’s ludicrous to allege that we have taken anything out of context in this video”.
No, no. no. What is ludicrous is to treat WikiLeaks and its founder as anything better than an agenda-driven group of deceptive megalomaniacs, endangering troops and diplomacy in an attempt to damage the United States and its allies for reasons largely derived from a conspiratorially paranoid view of the world.
He won’t be getting any support from me.”
Me neither.
That’s the point I’m making, a name and photo ARE NOT ok, not before a man has even had a trial.
I’m sorry to inform you of this, but I think they are okay as long as the journalist makes a sincere attempt at objectivity and an assumption of innocence in the text. That is simply the price we pay for public justice and a free press. Welmer’s recent article makes precisely that point. Transparency brings risks, but the lack of it also brings risks. Isn’t that the point that Julian Assange is also trying to make?
I don’t see that as purely a “male problem”. Just last week in my local newspaper they had two women’s names and photos. One is up for the attempted manslaughter of her husband and another for statutory rape with a male student. The male student’s name was not released, the wife is incarcerated, and the teacher has been put on probation by the school. The rules are fair enough, as long as they are equally applied (although it might make sense to publish the alleged victim’s names as well, to discourage false accusations).
Of course you can find out someone’s contact information on the Internet. But publishing it some place so public with a call to action is something completely different. It’s like putting a hit out on someone. It was clearly malicious, and I think it could damage the MRA cause if something happens to these women. It makes us look blood-thirsty and vigilantist, rather than concerned with political and legal reform in the name of justice.
Which, apparently and unfortunately, many of us are.
As far as I can see what Ferdinand did was to make the stage a little smaller, a little more manageable. Back when we lived in small towns, we had to be careful of our actions because everyone knew us and knew where we lived. We did not need the law so much because social coercion worked so effectively. The downside for these women is that they did not feel the pressure before they decided to make rape accusations, only after. But, hey, if you can’t stand the heat, get out of the kitchen. It sure doesn’t sound like he raped them, but his name is on papers worldwide being accused of that. Does anyone think that – if the charges were cleared (if taking Assenge into custody was really about rape anyway) – he would be exonerated at the same level? No.
I don’t know how I feel about Wikileaks, but I know how I feel about false rape accusations. In a working society with an uncorrupted legal system, I would be utterly against vigilante justice. As it is, I trust the average person’s take on things more than the law’s. Tragic, especially given how little I trust the average person’s judgment.
There is no bloodless way to reset the button on male/female relationships. It’s gone too far. Women can’t just giggle, say, “My bad,” and walk away after VAWA and false rape and chilimony and fake sexual harassment suits and the endless dismissal of men as unnecessary and deviant. I find the anger and violent language of the manosphere chilling, but the sooner that women realize that men are angry at women and capable of violence and that – most critically – women are inferior to men physically and otherwise unable to defend themselves, the sooner we will see women treating men better, with respect, and generally behaving better. That can’t happen soon enough.
Fear is a useful emotion.
You are aware that it is illegal for the authorities to release the name of the alleged victim? So it can never be ‘fair’ to release the name and photo of the alleged perpetrator. There is nothing remotely fair about any part of the process.
In the US, Ann Ardin’s promotion of the concept of abusing the legal system to punish men wouldn’t even be admissible in court. In the articles linked in this thread, the women are simply named Miss A and Miss B, which is par for the course. So it’s currently not fair to release any details about Assange at all, not even his name. That ‘Miss A’ and ‘Miss B’ are even known by their names is considered a miscarriage of justice and unfair by the powers that be.
So if fair is fair, then fuck fairness. Don’t cite bullshit about the rare female offender either. The only reason she gets her name in lights is because she is raping a young boy. If a nasty unhuman looking creature with a vagina fondles my crotch in public, in full view of witnesses with my friends taking pictures and laughing, not a goddam thing will happen too her. I’d be sure to get dogpiled on by every man in eyeshot if I gave her what she deserved and dragged her outside for a beating. The police sure as hell aren’t going to do shit about this sex offender. Now what happens when my ugliest buddy slides his finger up some skirts cunny at bar? Yeah, exactly.
So fuck your fairness.
grerp, do you seriously think that most average women will connect to dots and blame the bad behavior of women instead of men for the growing misogyny in society?
connect to dots = connect the dots
grerp, do you seriously think that most average women will connect to dots and blame the bad behavior of women instead of men for the growing misogyny in society?
Irrelevant. You are assuming that women rule the world. They don’t, all feminist and masculinist propaganda to the contrary. The people whose opinion matters most are the “mangina and white knight” men who make up the vast majority of the male population. Nothing goes down and nothing changes unless they want it that way.
It’s true that women have been pushing the limits with that demographic for quite some time, but those men are still reluctant to change things out of concern for the negative impact it might have upon women. This move will further alienate those who were inclined to side with MRA but who are wary of attacks against women.
Aligning yourself with misogynistic, pro-rape fucktards is a losing proposition because it will turn the majority of male the population against you. I’m astounded that I should have to explain that.
Furthermore, vigilante violence does make women afraid. And whenever women are afraid, they find a man to protect them. Grerp is right about that. But if she thinks this will make women act more responsible, then she is mistaken. It will make women more childlike and helpless, and absolve them of the little bit of adult responsibility they now carry. It will make “white knighting” once a again a winning reproductive strategy, and turn man-whores into target practice and wind chimes.
Women never pay. All sexual conflicts are intra-masculine wars.
The only good thing I can see about vigilante violence is that it makes beta guys (the protectors) appear hotter than they do now. That is a benefit to society on the grander scale, although they’d be hotter because they’d be putting themselves in harm’s way. “Playing” would go out of style real quick, too. The betas will start off protecting women as people, and end up defending them as territory. In a vigilante world, a beta man doesn’t need a rape charge to go after a male interloper. Just look at the American inner cities or the German Turkish population. Where the law doesn’t rule, men end up in a bloodbath. The justice system is the result of a male truce, with the courts the intermediaries. Take away the courts, and the accused has no chance at justice.
As a black woman, I am not so inclined to think that a subgroup of men can wantonly attack women — or even threaten to attack women, or even be accused of threatening to attack women — and get away with impunity. Playing with fire there, I think. You can’t win by making women the enemy. You have the convince the men that the changes you propose will result in an improvement for their women and children.
Grerp is right about that. But if she thinks this will make women act more responsible, then she is mistaken. It will make women more childlike and helpless, and absolve them of the little bit of adult responsibility they now carry.
Even if this is true, I still don’t feel sorry for those women.
I don’t think women will connect the dots, Höllenhund, but people don’t have to fully understand a situation to react to it.
When the government jobs get cut en masse and all the agitation in the world doesn’t make them come back, we may see some rearrangements in the way things work.
“Irrelevant. You are assuming that women rule the world. They don’t, all feminist and masculinist propaganda to the contrary. The people whose opinion matters most are the “mangina and white knight†men who make up the vast majority of the male population. Nothing goes down and nothing changes unless they want it that way.”
Alte is right.
And, It’s the white knights and mangina’s who have facilitated feminism.
“You are assuming that women rule the world.”
I’m simply assuming that
a) feminism can only be rolled back if the majority or at least a significant segment of women turn against it
b) this is unlikely since women don’t generally blame the effects of feminism for their problems.
“The people whose opinion matters most are the “mangina and white knight†men who make up the vast majority of the male population.”
No. The vast majority of the male population are average guys who aren’t manginas, white knights, misogynists or MRAs.
“misogynistic, pro-rape fucktards”
Who the f-ck are you talking about? What FB has done is proof that he’s among them? Sorry, but that’s just standard female shaming language. Red Army soldiers in 1945 were pro-rape. The cavalry of Genghis Khan were pro-rape. Outing CIA-tools and feminist alse rape accusers is neither pro-rape nor misogyny.
“And whenever women are afraid, they find a man to protect them.”
“The betas will start off protecting women as people, and end up defending them as territory.”
Young and single beta males who routinely get rejected and shunned by women are very unlikely to risk their lives defending feminist women like Anna Ardin who shun them, ridicule them and ride the alpha cock carousel. Most young betas aren’t invested in women who aren’t their family members because they aren’t getting anything of value from those women (validation, sex, commitment etc.). They are unlikely to defend them from a theoretical pissed off MRA for that simple reason. Alpha thugs are unlikely to do so either for obvious reasons (the have many women to choose from and they don’t have a single white-knighting bone in their bodies). Chivalry is dying fast for a reason.
“You have the convince the men that the changes you propose will result in an improvement for their women and children.”
That only applies to happily married men and only in a certain way. You’ve commented on this before on the The Spearhead: the best way to improve the lives of wives and children is to improve the life and social status of their husbands and fathers.
I will protect women I am related to, or who have convinced me that they are decent women, particularly if they are Catholics like me. I will defend a woman in a public place if she is decently dressed and seems a good woman. If she looks slutty, I may or may not.
A Chinese woman came to my door a few weeks ago, claiming to be the victim of domestic violence. She had her young boy with her. I called the police for her, but made her wait on the porch outside (I had family inside). I treated her courteously and made sure she saw the police when they came. Later, I saw her with her husband in a local restaurant. She gave me a slight smile. I teased my daughter afterwards by saying that the woman probably deserved it. (I didn’t really mean that.) But I actually suspect she was an annoying bitch, and I couldn’t see any marks on her face, as she claimed. But I treated her decently, because that is what a man does.
As for these Swedish women, I hope they were not raped. I hope nothing happens to them now, physically. But I don’t like the sound of them or their views. They seem slutty, nasty and entitled to me, from all I have heard and read. I would not shed any tears if they ended up with their reputations ruined, if all they are doing is targeting Julian Assange out of female pique or for some political reason.
“It was clearly malicious, and I think it could damage the MRA cause if something happens to these women. It makes us look blood-thirsty and vigilantist, rather than concerned with political and legal reform in the name of justice.
Which, apparently and unfortunately, many of us are.”
Yeah,and “being the bigger man” has worked SO well that nobody has even heard of the MRA’s that were around for about 25 years before the ones that are here now.
You’re fucking insane.
When we try that, the feminists use us as straight men in a giant fucking joke, ala JON MANGINA STEWART. Then they accuse us of “whining” and being “crybabies” for not wanting men to randomly have targets painted on them and be the victims of fucking lynch mobs because some fucking WHORE wanted some attention or wanted to get out of being called a slut for gangbanging a football team.
All your fucking rhetoric about “misogynists” and all that bullshit is a fucking smokescreen. You WANT women to be able to make false rape accusations with impunity. Just come right out and admit it. Be an adult about it.
Tell us the truth. The truth is, you’re a woman and as long as you can get away with scapegoating an innocent man you will,and if a few thousand men get killed, who cares,as long as it isn’t some worthless whore who contributes nothing to society but wastes a lot of men’s tax money with her engineered attention-whoring crises. You will try as hard as you can to convince men not to take any action that might STOP women from making false rape allegations. We know the courts won’t do it, other WOMEN sure as hell won’t pressure them to stop,they encourage it, Anna fucking Ardin encourages it PERSONALLY.
When men find something that MIGHT make them think twice about doing it, you cry foul, and pretend you’re worried about our “image”. We’re already a national fucking laughingstock,how much worse can it get?
Yeah, I’m fucking vigilantist. I sure as hell am. These whores have been stirring up vigilantes against US forever. But the most fucked-up thing about all this is, you know who the PRIMARY victims of false rape allegations are,Alte? Can you guess who is MOST HISTORICALLY likely to be killed? Black men. I can’t believe you love your own right to illegitimately
“Yeah, I’m fucking vigilantist. I sure as hell am. These whores have been stirring up vigilantes against US forever. But the most fucked-up thing about all this is, you know who the PRIMARY victims of false rape allegations are,Alte? Can you guess who is MOST HISTORICALLY likely to be killed? Black men. I can’t believe you love your own right to illegitimately abuse men, more than the men in your own life.”
You are a sick person.
Even if this is true, I still don’t feel sorry for those women.
Nobody feels sorry for them, not even me. Ardin, especially, is obviously quite horrible. No one is asking you to feel sorry for them, or to like them. That’s not the point of the discussion.
When the government jobs get cut en masse and all the agitation in the world doesn’t make them come back, we may see some rearrangements in the way things work.
When the money runs low, beta’s start to look pretty good. Two years max before the cock-carousel comes to a grinding halt.
And, it’s the white knights and mangina’s who have facilitated feminism.
Of course. Women wanted it, and men gave it to them. Spoiling the brats on a grand scale.
The vast majority of the male population are average guys who aren’t manginas, white knights, misogynists or MRAs.
I am assuming that most of the guys on here consider “average guys” to be “white knights”.
What FB has done is proof that he’s among them?
No, but his silence in response to certain comments on this thread is rather deafening, isn’t it?
[So, am I supposed to write a detailed refutation to every dumbass who opens his mouth in the comments? Or would you prefer a condescending disclaimer? Of course, this all assumes that I've actually had the time to read all those comments (hint, I haven't, which is why I only got around to deleting the morons who were calling for these two to be raped just now). - ed.]
Young and single beta males who routinely get rejected and shunned by women are very unlikely to risk their lives defending feminist women like Anna Ardin who shun them, ridicule them and ride the alpha cock carousel.
I am assuming, of course, that women react to their newfound circumstances by improving their behavior. Grerp is right about that; women are survivalists and will adapt accordingly. If life sucks as a bitch, they’ll stop acting like a bitch and rediscover their inner Nice Girl. Chivalry will make a comeback (because its advantageous for the offspring), but women’s reputation as Everybody’s Darling will have taken a major hit. They’ll take us back and they’ll protect us, but they’ll make us pay for it in private.
Most of the “betas” I know are less angry at the women than at the alphas, by the way.
Yeah,and “being the bigger man†has worked SO well that nobody has even heard of the MRA’s that were around for about 25 years before the ones that are here now.
You’re fucking insane.
No, don’t hold back. Tell me what you really think.
Why don’t you go whole-hog and issue a fatwa for me, too. You could dig up a photo of me and write under it:
Fucking insane feminist cunt. Deserves to have something happen to her. We won’t make any suggestions, just use your imagination. You can reach her at…
I’m sure FB would allow you to post it, as he’s into that type of thing. I’m sure that he would put My friends, use this information wisely. at the bottom, though. To make sure I was safe, and everything.
[So, first you were calling me a coward, then you apologized, now you're attacking me again? Make up your mind, woman!]
You WANT women to be able to make false rape accusations with impunity.
Erm… no.
Can you guess who is MOST HISTORICALLY likely to be killed? Black men. I can’t believe you love your own right to illegitimately abuse men, more than the men in your own life.
Erm… that was sort of my point. Vigilante violence gets men, especially black men, killed. More vigilante violence will get more men killed, not fewer.
Alte’s point is a good one. If we all go “dog eats dog”, it will not just be the bitches who suffer. Men will get hurt too, in fights over women. The law doesn’t just protect women. It protects men. You may think you are a tough guy, and you will be OK. But what if two men attack you?
The state has a monopoly of force to prevent mob rule and “might is right”.
Mob rule was wrong at Duke University, and those who permitted it, including the supposed adults there, should bear lasting shame for doing so. But it is not much better when pictures of these Swedish feminists are all over the Internet. In mob rule, somebody always gets hurt, and not always the “right” person.
I understand the anger of MRA men. I think women have grown much too big for their boots. And there is a reckoning coming. But this is not the way.
So, first you were calling me a coward, then you apologized, now you’re attacking me again? Make up your mind, woman!
I’m sorry. I was just shocked that you hadn’t deleted those comments; it made me wary of you again. But now I feel like a jerk for being so impulsively critical and defensive again.
I don’t think I’m emotionally up to this discussion any more, as it feels quite personal, so I’ll bow out now. Before I say something else that I’ll regret later. I think I’ve ticked of Höllenhund, as well, with my snark. I’ll zip it.
When the money runs low, beta’s start to look pretty good. Two years max before the cock-carousel comes to a grinding halt.
One could argue that given the nature of our modern economy, the betas will be out of work and still rather useless and unattractive. If anything, it may resemble the Haiti of my grandmother and mother’s era where women become mistresses in exchange for some money from the few men in town that are capable of throwing a few pennies at them out of pity. If the economy tanks, the last thing I want is some female leeching regardless of her sexual output. I will be far to busy scrambling to maintain my living standards.
Most of the “betas†I know are less angry at the women than at the alphas, by the way.
I’m more angry at women that date beta males than the women that hold out for alpha males or the alphas themselves. The first group are bunch of liars, while the second group is far more honest about themselves, and I can’t blame the alphas for being more attractive.
http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/2010/12/does_julian_ass.php
“Passionate, and often pig headed activist intellectual seeks siren for love affair, children and occasional criminal conspiracy.
Such a woman should spirited and playful, of high intelligence, though not necessarily formally educated, have spunk, class & inner strength and be able to think strategically about the world and the people she cares about.
I like women from countries that have sustained political turmoil. Western culture seems to forge women that are valueless and inane. OK. Not only women!
Although I am pretty intellectually and physically pugnacious I am very protective of women and children.”
I agree with the others who say we should keep an open mind about whether Assange did the things he is accused of. We don’t know enough to just condemn the two women. Let’s put our energy into trying to find out more, to help with Assange’s defense. Whoever found that “Revenge Recipe” did some great work. Let’s look into all the fishy stuff. Who leaked the details to the press? Is Anna Ardin an undercover operative? Is she realy a lesbian (and not heterosexual or bisexual)? What kind of political pressure is behind this? Why where the charges dropped, then renewed? If there is political pressure or dirty tricks, is the CIA behind it, or the Swedish secret police for Swedish reasons? Quit wasting your time debating how many feminists can fit on the head of a pin, and get out there and help Julian by answering some of these questions. I’m looking for info on these questions, and will publish what I find here: http://helpwikileaks.blogspot.com/2010/12/is-anna-ardin-lesbian-if-so-why-get.html
“I understand the anger of MRA men. I think women have grown much too big for their boots. And there is a reckoning coming. But this is not the way.”
Alright David, let’s stay on topic. I have three simple questions:
1. Do you support rape shield laws?
2. If yes, do you think the identity of the accused should also be protected from scrutiny?
3. What exactly is the form of potential reckoning that you’d condone?
“But now I feel like a jerk for being so impulsively critical and defensive again.
I don’t think I’m emotionally up to this discussion any more, as it feels quite personal, so I’ll bow out now. Before I say something else that I’ll regret later. I think I’ve ticked of Höllenhund, as well, with my snark. I’ll zip it.”
1. It’s generally a good idea to think before you post. I’m glad you think the same.
2. You haven’t ticked me off. My opinion of you hasn’t changed because of this thread. I’ve already become suspicious of your true beliefs when you slandered the commenters of The Spearhead over at Oz Conservative’s blog. The simple fact that you think any man who believes that no woman should be able to make anonymous rape accusations is a “misogynistic, pro-rape fucktard” says a lot about you as well.
The simple fact that you think any man who believes that no woman should be able to make anonymous rape accusations is a “misogynistic, pro-rape fucktard†says a lot about you as well.
That’s not what I was alluding to, at all. FB knows, as he deleted their comments.
This isn’t about their being anonymous, either. It’s about their contact information.
This is immoral, dumb and selfish. How can YOU know what really happened? And if you’re right, what could this help? Sweden has a well working justice system, let them do the job.
Hollenhund
I am not quite sure how I feel about the whole Julian Assange and Swedish tartlets issue. I think they are horrible, slutty, entitled bitches – if what has been said about their beliefs and behaviour is true. However, I wouldn’t want to see them physically hurt.
I can understand the frustration of men who feel that women routinely blackguard men in public without recourse. I think, in this case, there may be a case for publishing their pictures. Curiously, the Left have largely come down on the side of Julian Assange, particularly here in Australia.
Some good may come of this, if only to make the Swedes realise that people, even the Left, think their rape laws are absurd.
I am deeply suspicious of the motives of feminists, and I have few illusions about the nature of women. However, I do see the problem with vigilante justice.
I don’t think men should be named on rape charges, and not women. Perhaps neither should be named.
I wonder if this Joe that FB is complaining about is the same guy who has come on spouting feminist tripe at Married Man Sex Life, under the thread on “My Husband is Scared of Me.” Women should stop pretending that they want equality, when they really don’t most of the time, because it turns out to be boring.
As for Alte, please stop giving her a hard time. She is a good woman.
As for a reckoning for women, I think that will come naturally. People can’t go on being foolish and reckless endlessly, not even women.
I have a strong feeling that we are punished for our folly even in this life.
Publishing the names of men accused of rape, and referring to the accuser as the ‘victim’ before there has even been a trial, is immoral, dumb and selfish. How can THEY know what really happened? Even if they’re right, what could it help? We have a justice system; let them do the job.
To people bringing Assange’s activities with Wikileaks into this, it is irrelevant. Whether you support or oppose him over that, this is a false rape accusation that could bring any one of us, or our male friends and relatives down, right or left wing.
These women are indeed evil- there is no other word for it. A man was taken to jail, either effectively or actually at gunpoint, and his name dragged through the mud. Just as evil, just as criminal is the system of laws and thought that empowers these vile creatures to commit this crime.
There might be some poetic justice in the ability of the internet to atomise their veil of anonymity, behind which they consider themselves justified in making post-hoc rape accusations. Let’s hope that firstly, Julian Assange walks free from the Swedish court, whether to custody in the States or freedom not being the question here. Let’s also hope that some good comes from this occurrence- that these vile women and others like them are if not dissuaded on moral grounds, intimidated by this sufficient that they will think twice before accusing innocent men.
I have to say this again. One possibility is that these women are indeed evil witches who are capitalizing on the Wikileaks situation for their own reasons.
But another, and not insignificant possibility is that they are being put up to this, or even forced or coerced into it. Certainly Assange has powerful enemies at this point who are in a position to do such a thing, and have the motive to do it. Motive, opportunity, means. That’s a prima facie circumstantial case.
If the latter, isn’t it a bit unfair to blame it all on them? Or maybe even any of it on them?
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/14/manning/index.html
If you all really care about free speech and not just victim-dismissing/shaming, why are you not up in arms about Manning as well?
So, what are the phone numbers and addresses and other contact info for Ferdinand Bardamu. Let’s have equal opportunity harassment…..
@Atticus:
If these woman are put into this game against their will, then saying nothing is the most stupid of all behaviors.
If they are either they really felt raped or real CIA agents then it makes sense to not do something.
In the other case after the whole worlds is talking about them with real names and photos there is no reason to not drop a statement.
I will draw my conclusions about this when we finally see some evidence. If we do not anymore evidence i think this two woman are false accusors and should life and be treated like a talking snake.
“Ah,I see, so it’s only ok to publish the names of MEN who are being ACCUSED of rape”
… I never said this anywhere. i said in postings before, that I do not find this ok either.
try to argue from what you read, not from what you made up in your mind.
last post was for Nergal
zammo:
I am not more or less relevant than you are.
and: you obviously have no idea about women.
I am not a woman, by the way.
but i do support feminism. and: there is not only one feminism, so I do not support everthing that goes under this lable. as there are also not only men or women who all share the same ideas, ideals and sexual prefernces.
still, there is patriarchy.
read bell hooks, for example. or judith butler. and then think, for once. that might do some good to yourself.
to Cunts and White Knights:
everything is women’s projections, wether you call them…..
thats what you say.
first of all: I call the action and the arguemnts i do see here NEANDERTALERS (that was what you commented on), so it is not a projection, it is based on the things I read here.
second: so if you call it a projection, than all the “she is a slut”, “these women are evil” are also projections.
third: if you would understand the system and what role gender plays in it, you would not feel so threatened. but obviously you do. what can you lose? the abilty to rape women and then get support in this forum of total morons?
or what is at stake for you?
to clarify (because I doubt that you understand what I am saying here): the last was a polemic statement. and I do not say with this that j.a. actually did rape the two women, because I do not know this. neither do you. so stop projecting please.
and to the administrator: will you put down the adresses soon?
“Wah wah wah! You hurt my feelings and now I’m going to hurl mindless insults of misogyny at you to make myself feel good. I’m also going to ignore all the valid arguments of hypocrisy if the roles were reversed and just keep on calling you all bitter penises. Look over here, at me, I iz a woman, also known as an overgrown child having an incoherent tantrum while expecting to be treated likes an adult. Where is my emotional diarrhea pill?”
oh, I am sorry that I hurt your feelings.
but I thank you for posting my call.
you see yourself as overgrown child?
I wouldn’t say so. I don’t know you, but form what you write I can tell you that most children are not that simple minded. but you were probably.
doesn’t matter.
once again, thanks for posting the call. even if I definitly do not support your ideas. for reasons you can read in some of my postings.
by the way: I did not mean to hurt you by calling you a mindless mysoginist. it was simply an accurate analysis. I don’t care about how you feel.
As I was reading through the comments on the page, I couldn’t help but feel saddened that some of the views expressed seemed so close-minded. Why must people insist on lumping others into neatly defined groups so they can bash them?
It isn’t true that all feminists are men haters, males are jerks, etc… That is an extremely simple and childish world view. I haven’t a clue how old most commenters are here, but as a rather quite young person, I expect many may be decades older than myself, and really ought to know better.
Am I feminist? I believe in equal rights so yes…I suppose I am. I do not feel ashamed of it. There are different types of feminism. Radical feminism is the one that shocks most people, I think.
I would hazard a guess that some commenters have had bad experiences with the opposite sex and feel embittered towards them… However I have no proof. Is that really a way to go about living? Hating half the world when you have only met a a fraction of a fraction of the people living on it? I find it truly pathetic.
As for the post — it illustrates at once the usefulness and the dark side of the Internet. The lives of these women will never be the same again. They have been painted as vindictive, actively seeking revenge. How on earth would you know? How on earth would you KNOW, absolutely sure of yourself, that these women are lying? Sure, the timing of the trials is inopportune, but YOU DO NOT KNOW. You are not privy to many of the facts.
You do not know the women. You do not know Julian. Just because he is famous and idolised doesn’t mean it couldn’t possibly have happened. (Although of course, the presumption of innocence is of key importance.)
I am glad, at least, that some people are less cautious in pointing their fingers, and so I wasn’t totally disappointed by what I saw here.
Her Blog, has now opened for comments :)
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fannaardin.wordpress.com%2F
This is her email address:
anna.ardin@ibf.uu.se
D:
We might give a crap about these women’s reputations when you give a crap about the men and boys whose faces are splashed all over your local daily paper when they are accused of something like this.
Perhaps I might give a shit about Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen’s safety when you give a crap about the young man (mentioned with newslinks) on the False Rape Society website who was killed while he was sleeping all on the word of a 13 year old girl.
Perhaps I might be swayed to your cause when I see you or any other feminist write to your local newspaper when they use the word “victim” and forget about the word “alleged”. This is something often done WHEN a rape accusation is first made , DURING the trial , and My God -even after a trial in which a man was acquitted!
Here, educate yourself about some of this. Then maybe we can talk.
http://falserapesociety.blogspot.com/p/lamb-to-slaughter-hofstra-false-rape.html
Those women are hurting true feminism, just like some divorced mothers do when accusing their ex-husband of molesting their children just to have custody and manipulate the kids into thinking their fathers are monsters.
Cases like false rape or child molesting accusations are more frequent than you would think and it’s time to put an end to that.
And by the way, I am a woman. And I’ve been raped, so I know what I am talking about, and yes, millions of women are indeed raped each year. But if the facts reported are correct, Anna Ardin and Sofia Wilen are not one of them.
And they knew very well what was going to happen when they accused Julian Assange (who should have better taste, a “christian feminist” WTF??!!). So I have no compassion (christian or not) for them, those accusations are just ridiculous. I really don’t care if Anon send them tons of pizzas or condoms.
Clarence:
I understand where you’re coming from. But you are incorrect — I do ‘give a crap’. I have always believed in the presumption of innocence. If you were to ask my opinion on this, I would operate on the assumption that Assange did not molest the women, WHILE still not attacking the women for laying supposedly false charges.
I prefer the legal process to uninformed citizens taking so-called vigilante action. Though I’ll be the first to admit that the legal process is a flawed one.
I don’t worry so much about the women’s reputations as the fact that their address was shared on the Internet, which I think is a step too far.
Thank you sharing the link. Don’t assume that I don’t care — I am all too willing to absorb new information and if need be, change my position.
You have absolutely no right to do that!!
Who tells you that “they lied about being raped”?
Although I’m aware that their motive for going to the police was some kind of revenge, they can’t be held responsible for what happened to assange.
They never said they were rapped.
They did not event want to go to court.
You know that, you read the papers.
Stop bullying them, they don’t deserve that.
I hope that the case will be thrown out of court, because if they didn’t have enough evidence when he went to the police in Sweden the first time, it is unlikely they will have any more evidence now.
But let us assume he gets sent to Sweden and end up in court, let us just toy with that unfortunate idea. Outing this women can hurt his case more than we think. Not to mention it can tarnish wikileaks’ reputation. It has already been hurt by Assange being accused of rape. Both Assange and Wikileaks don’t need any more bad publicity.
Not to mention those who protest in the streets in Assange and Wikileaks favour do not need to be seen as a bunch of blood thirsty vigilantes.
“With great power comes great responsibility.”
But it has been done. We can only hope the impact is minimal and won’t get out of hand.
Because that has never happened before, right?
“Am I feminist? I believe in equal rights so yes…I suppose I am. I do not feel ashamed of it. There are different types of feminism. Radical feminism is the one that shocks most people, I think.”
Yeah,believing in equal rights has nothing to do with feminism, that would be Egalitarianism. Feminists don’t believe in equal rights or they wouldn’t have given all the reproductive rights women and legally blocked every subsequent effort to get men some kind of reproductive rights. They wouldn’t have made initiator-style sexual harassment laws (touching,making comments) a capital crime while insisting women have the right to sexually harass every man in the building by walking around with their tits hanging out,wearing high heels to accentuate their asses,wearing slutty makeup to work and other passive styles of sexual harassment. Which are designed with the INTENT of sexually titillating or imposing on NOT JUST ONE INDIVIDUAL but entire crowds of men.
“I would hazard a guess that some commenters have had bad experiences with the opposite sex and feel embittered towards them… However I have no proof. Is that really a way to go about living? Hating half the world when you have only met a a fraction of a fraction of the people living on it? I find it truly pathetic.”
We haven’t heard THAT ONE before.
http://mensresistance.wordpress.com/the-catalog-of-anti-male-shaming-tactics/
“As for the post — it illustrates at once the usefulness and the dark side of the Internet. The lives of these women will never be the same again. They have been painted as vindictive, actively seeking revenge. How on earth would you know? How on earth would you KNOW, absolutely sure of yourself, that these women are lying? Sure, the timing of the trials is inopportune, but YOU DO NOT KNOW. You are not privy to many of the facts.”
The lives of countless innocent men on the sex offender registry because some woman made an allegation of rape in an acrimonious divorce to gain the upper hand will ALSO never be the same. If you think they should be advocated for in a better manner, then perhaps YOU should try helping them instead of telling the handful of people who think they deserve justice too how to fight a well-organized well-funded political machine that grinds them up in its gears and uses their blood as fuel?
“You do not know the women. You do not know Julian. Just because he is famous and idolised doesn’t mean it couldn’t possibly have happened. (Although of course, the presumption of innocence is of key importance.)
I am glad, at least, that some people are less cautious in pointing their fingers, and so I wasn’t totally disappointed by what I saw here.”
I don’t doubt that a condom did break while he was having sex with one of them, what I doubt is that this should be called “rape” in any world or dimension that rational human beings occupy.
Again, if this is rape, then millions of women who routinely lie about being on birth control are also rapists. You don’t want your precious deceitful lying bitches to go to jail too, do you? Because logically, we’d have to lock all of them up too.
“I understand where you’re coming from. But you are incorrect — I do ‘give a crap’. ”
Oh yeah, you care so much that you’re here deploying ad hominems against people who are trying to help the innocent and presumptively innocent. What the fuck are YOU personally doing to help them? You see what we’re doing. We’re trying to raise awareness of their situation, we might be doing it wrong, that remains to be seen,but I haven’t seen you do a fucking thing for them except try to shame those who are.
It’s a sad day for all of us when someone, anyone, has to pass through a court of bloggers and popular opinion before they can invoke their right to have a court examine their grievances.
I wonder how you would feel if you were denied this right, and your photograph and address was posted on the internet?
I wonder to what degree you accept responsibility if someone hurts any of these women using the information you publicized?
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http://www.dilbert.com/blog/entry/sweden/
Here’s a list of three things that you are unlikely to do, at least in this order:
1. Watch a Swedish movie called The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo
2. Read about the Swedish sex charges against Julian Assange
3. Book a vacation to Sweden
How about you post your own address you molester of rape victims? All they wanted was for this violent prick to get an HIV test, and the pig wouldn’t after forcing unprotected sex on them.
Actually it should be legal to get STD test results on anyone you sleep with, rape or not. It should be the default assumption that you have access to such information unless a contract is signed stating otherwise. Why? Because the default assumption in society should be that you are not out to harm others and are willing to provide them with information they are justified in knowing to prevent such harm.
I’m going to leave the issue of you publishing this info aside, as the debate is raging on fine without me, and bring up something else.
Where the hell is “NEKØP”? The letter ø is used in Danish and Norwegian, not in Swedish, the postal code “443 30″ is in Swedish style and belongs to the town of Lerum http://www.hitta.se/LargeMap.aspx?var=443+30 – there is no city or town in Sweden named Nekop or Neköp (how Swedes spell that ø letter]. There is no such thing as “Tørgetan” – there might be a “Torgegatan” (note the A in “gatan” which means “street”), and the Norwegians and Danes don’t call their streets “gatan”, instead they say vej (danish) or gata (no “N” in Norwegian). In short, what I am saying is that second address is totally bogus, and if you google the odd words like NEKØP you’ll only find this page and a few copying the info from here. Try it in google maps, you’ll find nothing.
You’d do best to remove it. Someones pulled the wool over your eyes.
It would be interesting to get to the bottom of all this.
The address for Ardin is the one in ENKÖPING. It mentions in an article that she is from this area.
“In the front row of the audience [...] was a pretty twentysomething whom we shall call Jessica. She was the woman [...] from Enkoping.”
Here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1336291/Wikileaks-Julian-Assanges-2-night-stands-spark-worldwide-hunt.html
Also, the university details for Ardin:
http://www.ibf.uu.se/PERSON/anna/anna.html
Institutet för bostads- och urbanforskning
Uppsala universitet
Box 785, 801 29 Gävle
Telefon 026 420 65 14, 0733 90 70 17
Telefax 026 420 65 01
E-post: anna.ardin@ibf.uu.se
So now you stand as judge, jury and exicutioner. This is really pathetic. You people are a bunch of arseholes for releasing this, I am a fan of Wikileaks, but not even Julian Assange stooped to this when he easily could of. In fact he has been defending these women to a cetain extent.
So you start out with “I don’t feel good about doing this, and I suspect many of you will chew me out for it. At least, I HOPE some of you will.” WTF? So you know it’s wrong but you post it anyways?
You should go buy souls, I hear they are on special now on ebay.
Let this go to court and let our peers decide. There is always two sides of a story.
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