The War on Drugs is one of those things that everyone seems to oppose – like banker bailouts and illegal immigration – but keeps truckin’ on despite the protests of the plebes. Even white nationalists are now arguing in favor of drug legalization across the board. If there are any drug warriors in the audience, this video from Advocatus Diaboli should disabuse you of your myths:
The War on Drugs has failed in every way. Everybody on the right and left with their head screwed on straight is against it. So why hasn’t it ended? Sure, it’s making a lot of unsavory people rich, like the law enforcement hucksters, but it’s more than that.
The drug war, the prohibition on prostitution and statutory rape laws all stem from the same source – America’s Puritan streak. Puritans, both LIEbral and CONservative, are moralizing hypocrites who seek to stamp out pleasure whenever and wherever they find it. They’re hypocrites because, like most people who base their political opinions on what is “moral,” they obsess over certain sins and ignore others. For America’s Puritans of the past and present, sloth and lust are abominations, but greed and gluttony are a-ok. In the Puritan world, a pot smoking college dweeb is a threat to the social fabric, but governmental bureaucrat parasites and bankster filth are perfectly fine.
All the facts and statistics in the world won’t convince a Puritan to abandon his mad crusade, because all he cares about is raping “immoral” non-criminals in the ass. He turns a blind eye to the people who have died, the multitudes more who have had their lives ruined, and the incredible cost of it all, because the sadistic pleasure he gets from sodomizing heathens is his number one concern. And they have the gall to wrap themselves in the language of righteousness? They have the chutzpah to claim we’re the sinners and they’re the saints?
Fortunately, reality is finally pushing back against the Puritans. We can thank the worsening economic crisis, which is making frivolous spending by governments increasingly unaffordable. Pissing away billions of dollars yearly on victimless crimes becomes less appealing when your population is broke, hungry and angry and you’re looking at cutbacks in other public services. America and other first-world countries will legalize drugs because they will have no choice.
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Can you rather link to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvNUWycl6Z8
version, since the one you have up now doesn’t play due to copyright demands by WMG/Sony.
Change occurs after every attempt to prop up the status quo fails.
I think there is at least one other reason you left out, at least in the case of marijuana. That is protecting two of America’s biggest industries — Alcohol and Big Pharma — from competition from a relatively harmless plant that can’t be patented or controlled by a big corporation. It’s better for the economy (or what’s left of it, anyway) to keep the sheeple slamming 12 packs of fizzy yellow beer and loaded on expensive prescription anti-depressants.
Um . . .
It would have been helpful if you had sourced your allegations against a group of 17th century English Calvinists fleeing RC persecution in Europe. If by “Puritan” you meant some manifestation of the Religious Right, I googled around and couldn’t find any RR organizations that were putting much energy into prohibition.
You ask an important question: why are we stuck with drug laws in the face of what appears to be widespread unpopularity? But your answer — Puritans — seems wide of the mark.
[Puritanism is not exclusive to the religious right. Indeed, most Puritans these days are secular. Read your Moldbug. - ed.]
On the other hand, the lost of the drug monopoly would put guerrilla/mafia drug lords out of business.
Which would be good news, because they are the infectious remains of the Che Guevara/Castro vision of communism enforced by violence and with one, ten, a hundred Vietnam wars.
Okay, I just spent some time with the GSS. I will concede that support of, for example, keeping marijuana illegal (GRASS) varies directly with church attendance (ATTEND). But I would add a couple of caveats. First, according to the GSS, opposition to drug legalization has historically commanded vast majorities even among you heathen non-church-goers. And second, while still a minority opinion, support for legalization has grown among church attenders (ATTEND(6-8)) from a low of 6.1% in 1987 to 25.4% in 2008. So the trends are in the pro-legalization direction.
excellent post. straight up.
i’m a bad person if i smoke weed, if i buy coke, but if i go to a doctor and take vicadin or i y’know, flaunt federal regulations for drilling oil and 11 people die…no one gets arrested. what a joke.
I think that’s why some private citizens still support it, but not why the institutions in power do. Cui bono, Ferdinand? Obviously:
1) Law enforcement, especially law enforcement unions who are known for heavily lobbying politicians.
2) Prosecutors, especially since ambitious ones use “tough-on-crime” platforms to get into higher office. Throwing a 40 year sentence on a black kid for selling a kilo of coke is easier than nailing a bunch of people for murder 1.
3) Alcohol companies.
4) Drug companies.
5) Drug dealers. Do you think they are ignorant of the black market multiplier on their profits? Heck, they’ve got high level contacts in the banking industry that do their money laundering for them. They’re far more involved in our system than most care to admit.
It’s a War on Thugs masquerading as a War on Drugs.
What’s amusing here is that these laws were designed by cynics masquerading as Puritans while you’re a neo-Puritan masquerading as a cynic.
Have you ever wondered to yourself why all your posts hover around the message that we as a people, our ingroup, are fat, ugly, and stupid?
[Because we ARE fat, ugly and stupid. - ed.]
Fat, ugly, and stupid is the new witchcraft and you’re THAT GUY, the guy inflating his ego by being holier/skinnier than thou. YOU are the Puritan.
[What is this, the white nationalist equivalent of "we're all beautiful, you're just fine the way you are!" No, we ain't.]
People who are for strict drug laws are simply White racists who know that the anti-drug stick is a fine one to beat ethnic youth gangs with.
Yeah, that never happened. England was already Protestant when those ships set sail. The Puritans real objection was that the mainstream English Protestants weren’t fanatical enough, and that they weren’t allowed sovereign communities within English borders. So they were ‘persecuted’ in not being allowed to rule over everyone else, nor being allowed to peacefully seceede with swaths of the English countryside.
I’m not sure that Puritanism per se is the cause of the War on Drugs per se, but here is the bio of the guy who originally proposed the policy: Francis Burton Harrison.
Impressive WASP lineage on that one. Part of the Wilson Admin too. Those are some Puritan bona fides.
Ferd,
I didn’t say that we weren’t fat, ugly, and stupid. In fact, I’m two for three (you’ll have to guess).
[So you're saying you're fat and stupid? ;) - ed.]
I’m not trying to excuse White America’s defects. But you go a step further than merely acknowledging and addressing these things. You’re sticking these factors out in front as the causative factors in America’s decline and dysfunction.
Your neo-Puritanical ingroup-flagellating zeal has led you to mistake the effects for causes. When you don’t understand something, like the deep politics undergirding the Drug War, you use our being stupid as a sort of “god of the gaps” to substitute for actually figuring out why this phenomenon is occurring.
The video directly states what’s going on at [2:41].
[I'm not denying that race plays a role - I read your "War on Thugs" piece and largely agreed with it. What I'm saying is that large-scale phenomena like the War on Drugs very rarely have a single cause. Sure the drug war is in part designed to put a lid on black male criminality (the crack cocaine sentencing disparity being one of the more blatant examples of this), but the primary impetus behind it is a peculiarity of White American culture that's been with us since before the Revolution and flares up from time to time. It's not "stupidity" per se but misguided moral zeal.]
All this sturm und drang just so you can blow some pot in a cop’s face without getting arrested?Soooo neocanadian.Come The Revolution,what effect will this have upon the welfare-state?
*Eyes Hell diagram. Does a double take*
Whoa, whoa WHOA! Are my eyes deceiving me? Does that diagram state that Flattery is on a lower/worse level of hell than Violence?
So If I’m reading that diagram correctly, I’ll go to a worse level of hell than a serial killer for telling a hot babe: “Oh man! You are the awesomest hottest babe ever!” ?
[So sayeth Dante. - ed.]
@Matt Parrot
Oh please. Those who invest heavily in the race/class war scam are those who are happy while wallowing in their misery. White Nationalists who just whine because the black thugs get the women (and is all about that) are just as pathetic as the black nigger thugs that whine because “The White Men keeps then down”.
The only ones who win in that scam are the white collar/gang criminals while everybody else just keep flinging poo to each other in their delusion that they are part of the elite that do get the benefit.
Same with the rich vs. poor bullshit.
Phew, feel better now.
>>White Nationalists who just whine because the black thugs get the women (and is all about that) are just as pathetic as the black nigger thugs that whine because “The White Men keeps then downâ€.>>
While White Nationals motivated strictly by sexual jealousy do exist, I’d say that most of them aren’t so worried about “brothas gettin’ de white wimmens” as they are “brothas”, “Muslims,” and “cholos” getting the TERRITORY, neighborhood by neighborhood, town by town.
Only an old-school Freudian, nerd who hasn’t been around the block, or black thugs themselves would lend much credence to the “black thug as irresistible sex god” notion. Black thugs in da hood aren’t getting any higher-quality women than their white equivalents (meth dealers in the trailer parks and marijuana growers in the KY backwoods, if you need examples).
Take it from a nerd who’s actually lived in da hood, and the trailer park, both.
Gx1080,
Race is indeed only one dimension of the human experience, and not everything boils down to it. I do believe, however, that there’s a solid case to be made that the War on Drugs is implicitly racial and I believe that both the historical timeline and the statistics support that position.
My name is spelled with two Ts, and I’m not tormented by Black male sexuality. In fact, Black males are tormented by my sexuality.
Wait. That didn’t sound right…
[The correct term is "no homo." - ed.]
I put that point of view because female support of the White Nationalist, HBD, Atheist crowd (and yes, there’s a lot of overlap) is low. Painfully low.
At least the Manosphere actually gets noticed. The guys mentioned above just. don’t. exist.
Gx1080,
You “put that point of view” because you gotz to be talkin’ smack. Ain’t it a bit paradoxical for a proponent of the “manosphere” to judge us purely by whether the ladies approve of us?
That sounds pretty “beta” to me…
I didn’t say “approve”. I said “notice”. There’s a difference.
After all, if Feminazi/mangina rage isn’t coming, then this wouldn’t be more truthful than their version, don’t you think?
[So sayeth Dante. - ed.]
*Eyes Inferno article*
Yeesh. What opium was Dante smoking when he conjured up this vision of Hell?
Someone who makes fake money suffers a worse fate (8th circle, level 10) than a child rapist (2nd circle.)
The levels do not progress logically in terms of severity of punishment:
8th circle, level 5: The condemned are immersed in a pool of BOILING hot tar with the constant threat of demons EVISCERATING them.
8th circle, level 6: Sinners are forced to….. wear REALLY HEAVY suits….. and WALK AROUND……. A LOT!
Finally, after numerous creative and horrific fates dreamed up for the upper levels, from being blown about to wading through feces to being mutilated by demons…… the worst fate imaginable, for the worst people in the entire universe (according to Dante) is…..
*drumroll*
Being frozen.
In ice.
“Oh no. I am frozen. In ice. I am so very bored….. and so very cold. I’m so getting my comeuppance.”
What a hack!
The bigger overlap is WNs with White Knighting manginas, which is the real stopgap.
I also don’t see this thing where thuglife cretins get lots of desirable woman either. I don’t understand why this is such a meme in MRA circles (bigger than it is in WN circles from I’ve seen).
I see drug dealers with a train of hot chicks, but that is about it This is what you are seeing when you see a bunch of hot, dressed to the nines white chicks being ushered into a house with a bunch of black men; free drugs to be had.
I live in one of the most heavily black areas of the country and I see black guys strike out in the clubs and bars with white women more often than not. Interracial couples are also still pretty rare. This just isn’t a phenomena that occurs in reality.
>>I also don’t see this thing where thuglife cretins get lots of desirable woman either. I don’t understand why this is such a meme in MRA circles (bigger than it is in WN circles from I’ve seen).>>
We need “Whiskey” to pop in here to tell how women of all races really want black men, and how women would choose to be put in a Muslim harem over the wimpy white and Asian guys of their homelands…
But back to the point, I think both Ferdinand and Matt Parrott have grasped part of the whole “war on intoxicants” thing. It’s definitely an outgrowth of New England Puritanism, specifically the “Social Gospel” of the 19th Century that Puritanism mutated into. The Social Gospellers were considered Leftist in their day, and were some of the biggest assholes this country ever produced. There’s also some evidence that the late-19th century “temperence” was an attempt to force non-drinking New England mores on heavy-drinking non-WASPs, like the Irish, Germans and Hungarians. The much later acts of drug prohibition pretty specifically targeted ethnic markets that the U.S. government couldn’t reliably control, like the Mexican marijuana trade.
The modern-day “Right” and “Left” are pretty much the spawn of 19th-century New England Leftism. The 19th century “Right” pretty much went out the window after the Yankees won the Civil War. It’s weird to think of Jerry Falwell as a Leftist, but there ya go.
The legalization of marijuana in California has somehow gone from the somewhat questionable but basically reliable State Senate to the wildly corrupt and hopelessly insane State Ballot Initiative, which may be called “What does Prole think?” Suddenly, I fear. Especially after prop. 8.
No one is arresting some deadbeat hippie college student.
Here’s my take: yes the War on Drugs to actually stop people from doing drugs is probably a failure. There are pros and cons on each side, but the NET effect is likely slightly negative.
But then you look at who is getting caught. Arresting and jailing people for selling or possessing large quantities of drugs is a proxy for arresting people committing other worse crimes. Basically, if you get arrested for some big drug related offense, you probbaly were doing lots of other worse shit.
For example, basically every kid I knew in HS smoked weed and drank alcohol. But only two kids I knew closely ever got caught smoking weed. Unsurprisginyl ,everyone else went college and those two barely graduated HS and were involved in lots of other destructive behavior (teen pregnancy, vandalism, other stupid shit teenagers do).
So if you’re dumb enough to get caught, you’re also probably doing other bad shit. From that regard, the War on Drugs keeps lots of bad people off the streets.
So if you’re dumb enough to get caught, you’re also probably doing other bad shit. From that regard, the War on Drugs keeps lots of bad people off the streets.
Is it worth it to California and the other states to spend $20,000 a year per prisoner to lock up people who may have been involved in other crimes. If you want to make a racial argument out of this, I’ll argue that the Drug War has been a drain on whites because they’re paying to lock up so-called NAMs who if they were committing other crimes, were mainly committing them against other NAMs.
Marijuana will be legalized in the next 5-10 years tops.
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