Young women now make more on average than young men:
In most areas of the country now, unmarried women between the ages of 22 and 30 without kids are making 8 percent more than men in the same demographic.
That’s based on data gathered by the Census Bureau and analyzed by Reach Advisors, a private research firm. It’s part of a long trend that mirrors a trend in education, and there is one major reason for that.
“At this point in time, young women are 1.5 times more likely to earn college degrees than their male counterparts,” says James Chung, president of Reach Advisors. “That’s a huge difference. And it’s starting to reflect in average income.
And of course, the story is spun to make us all feel sorry for the wimmenz:
Chung says it is still the case that overall, women make 80 percent of what men make. And this survey is not saying that a woman in the same job makes more than a man.
But King says the fact remains that even though women are going to college in greater numbers, they are more likely to take jobs in lower-paying fields like education, while men are more likely to end up in relatively high-paying positions in business and technology.
“Also, women are much more likely to take time away from their careers for child care and other family responsibilities, and that has an impact on their earnings over the course of their careers,” King says.
Chung of Reach Advisors says he plans to track these young women over the next few years to see whether, in fact, they do manage to close the gender gap.
Pop, Misandry Bubble! Pop, damn you!
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I wonder how much of the delta between men’s and women’s earnings is the result of two phenomena:
1) The numbers of women in government vice the private sector, and
2) The mancession
I can just see the feminists’ responses — “Women represent 50% more college graduates than men, yet only make 8% more!? DISCRIMINATION!”
Nothing will ever be enough for them. Some day men will only be allowed to keep two months’ income per year (a frugal amount many men can live on), with the entire excess going into a giant federally administered program to be transferred to women en masse, and they’ll still complain that the men aren’t earning as much as they would under the old patriarchal days.
They’ll never be satisfied. Move abroad, gentlemen.
Kyo has it right. They will never be satisfied.
All this does is make the university itself more and more obsolete. People who actually majored in something useful (say, engineering), will hasten to say their major whenever the topic comes up, if only to signify that they weren’t one of the subsidized dumb ones.
The popping of the Misandry Bubble (still some years away) will take many existing structures down with it.
Well, they’re not mentioning the debt that these women rang up GETTING those degrees. See http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/04/your-money/04money.html?_r=1&hp=&pagewanted=all for the sad tale of two women, one with $170K of debt, one with 250K of debt, who have essentially traded their ability to have children/families for college debt. 8% more won’t make up for that kind of stupidity!
Hey Ferd,
I heard what went down with your fam, hoping all is well.
As for the current topic, yea, I had heard, too. Here’s my take on the matter:
http://theobsidianfiles.wordpress.com/2010/09/02/studies-show-that-women-white-black-doing-better-than-ever-while-black-men-doing-worst-of-all-and-why-nothing-will-be-done-about-the-latter/
Comment & reply, holla.
O.
Why the hell should we want to close the “gender gap”? F*cking cultural Marxist feminism.
I want a greater gender gap. That’s good for family stability for one thing. And for keeping males motivated.
Women outperforming men will never be seen as an issue that requires government intervention. For now, it’s seen as a triumph for feminism, and rightfully so — the rigging of the schools in favor of girls and the hateful misandrist treatment routinely pressed upon boys in schools has had the desired impact of disadvantaging boys in favor of girls — they won, in other words, and their strategy to achieve female dominance has worked.
If/when people start to get concerned about male underperformance (starting already in some ways, but still being mostly poo-poohed), the discussion will be framed in ways that place the blame squarely on men themselves, I can virtually guarantee you that, and the idea will be that no changes to the system are needed, but men themselves need to change if they want to succeed. I guarantee that will be the approach.
Why? Society exists to help women. Not men. Men must *prove* their worthiness socially. Not women. It will always be thus as long as the West is the West.
“It will always be thus as long as the West is the West.”–
It hasn’t always been like this, novaseeker. The universities used to be a male institution. But that was when the universities were controlled by European American men.
“Fcuking cultural Marxist feminism”– it’s simply a strategy by jewish marxists to destroy European caucasian society by telling the women that European men are the “oppressors”. To free themselves from this “oppression”, European women should be working at a paying job and not having lots of children. It’s a very cunning way to destory a hated ethnic group and civilization. Destory European ethnic groups from within by destroying the family. Just research the jewish Frankfurt School.
When this issue rears his head in the Manosphere, I like to ask:
In what those womens are graduating and who gives the jobs to them?
If you said: Useless Humanities degrees and they are given jobs for a bloated Goverment bureocracy and whatever private company they can coerce in doing the same, Congratulations!!
Please show me anywhere that says that there’s more women from men graduating from hard sciences. Until then, the women’s chest-beating is not the whole story.
As a man this pains me to say, but women are better at middle manager jobs. Guys are better at entry level, where grunt work makes a difference, and guys are better at executive jobs, where ballsy decision making matters, but in the age range 20s and 30s women can easily outearn men as middle managers. Unfortunately technology and outsourcing has greatly reduced the quantity and quality of entry level grunt work. To be a middle manager you need to build consensus, nurture, and other things women do well. Women fail as executives since they don’t like accountability so there will always be the need for at least one man up top to make decisions.
I have no hesitation in saying that Asian women are better performers in the workplace than white women, At one time, all 3 people reporting to me were Asian women, and all 3 did a good job without complaining. Their jobs were analytical in nature.
There is no such similar performance gap between Asian Men and White Men.
It hasn’t always been like this, novaseeker. The universities used to be a male institution. But that was when the universities were controlled by European American men.
True, but the current West won’t revert to that without a massive disorder between that state and now.
Not all degrees are created equal.
Good morning gents,
Given all that we know on these fronts, my question is simply this:
How likely is it for Black and White Men to join forces on this and related issues? do you see such a thing happening or not, and why? Clearly, what we are seeing now has been afoot in Black America for quite some long, and not necessarily for the reasons we might have assumed or thought. Now, it is beginning a “slow creep” into White America – and by that I mean, middle class, White America.
Any thoughts on this?
O.
Obsidian does have a point.
A lot of problems would be solved if Middle Class Whites no longer had to pay the taxes to fund the welfare for Lower Class Blacks, but the tax burden was shifted to Upper Class people. But Conservatives convince the Middle Class the Upper Class is an improved version of the Middle Class. Under Capitalist logic, the Middle Class would be very lazy compared to the Upper Class, but they will never tell you that. Conservatives avoid using Elite in an economic sense.
OS,
With all due respect, I don’t this has a darned thing to do with tax policy. Rather, it has everything to do with how White Men and Black Men see the other group, which is largely as competitors. This is why I say, that it is highly unlikely to see a coalition being formed between the two groups. Hence, both will continue to suffer as a result.
O.
I agree, Obsidian.
Black men and white men need to put their shit aside and fight together, side by side, as brothers in the human race.
This issue is related to the question I’ve sometimes thought about, namely: is the relationship between the sexes a zero-sum game? In other words, is it possible to empower women without disadvantaging men in one way or another? And vice versa? I think this is a question MRAs should think about before trying to do anything. Feminist certainly seem to believe the answer is no.
On the surface it seems that female-centric education, AA, draconian sexual harassment laws etc. empower women by marginalizing men, at least in the short run. But in the long run such idiotic social engineering just hastens social decline, and eventually everyone loses.
look at that rationalization hamster spin the wheel. so pathetic, when the empirical evidence doesn’t say what they want ot believe, they support it with non-statistically supported opinions.
On this topic, I have decided to quit university, as of this morning. It seems a waste of time. I could make money and teach myself whatever I want to know. I skip all my lectures anyway because they are such spoonfed bullshit (and this isn’t some artsy piece of shit make believe course but a heavily maths based one).
Novaseeker,
“Women outperforming men will never be seen as an issue that requires government intervention.”
I don’t think anyone, even hardcore MRAs, wants such intervention, unless by government intervention you mean “ending gynocentric favoritism and the female-friendly laws, school curriculum, regulations and AA”. Most MRAs seem to want less government, not more.
“Why? Society exists to help women. Not men. Men must *prove* their worthiness socially. Not women. It will always be thus as long as the West is the West.”
I disagree with the implication that the West was always this way. Patriarchy existed primarily for the benefit of children, not men or women, and women had to prove their worthiness as well by becoming good mothers and housewives.
Otherwise I agree with your comment, as usual.
Naa breeze it is easier to work for someone else to save loot than to work for yourself.
I only didn’t go to college because I had no intention of living.
You might as well finish and get the piece of paper.
On the other hand yea you still make 800 a week working 80 hours at 10 bucks an hour and save loot. I don’t know.
I’ll be having my son learn trades work from an early age anyway.
What my buddy did was have the military pay for all his college but then on the contract for how much time he owed for that he had them put 0 years lol
So he got free college.
Or you can join army and get free college as well.
So instead of all the dam payments to make you can have military pay for it.
I still actually have gi bill just haven’t used it.