Ottawa skyline from the Peace Tower
As of this writing (11:30 pm Monday, Ontario time), I’m safely ensconced back in IMF headquarters (a poorly ventilated flat somewhere west of the Hudson and east of Crossgates) and ready to hop back in the saddle.
Ottawa blows. It blows like Linda Lovelace hallucinating a gun pointed at her head off-camera. I chose Ottawa to visit this time around because it’s the only major East Coast Canadian city I haven’t visited yet, having been to Toronto and Montreal dozens of times and even lived in the latter for a short time. Plus, the visit would allow me to restock on the delicacies I can’t enjoy in the States, like creamed honey, blood pudding, Kilkenny Irish cream ale and soda made with actual sugar (as supposed to that skin-destroying government-subsidized garbage known as high fructose corn syrup).
The capital of Canada has some redeeming qualities, but I can sum it up in one word:
Boring.
Parliament of Canada
Ottawa has clean streets, a genial citizenry, and is mostly free of crime. And therein lies the problem. For my purposes – drinking, dames, and debauchery – a completely safe city is not interesting. The nightlife is weak, the culture is nonexistent – there’s just no color, no joie de vivre. It’s a city of bureaucrats, for whom the highlight of their lives is sneaking out of bed every night and jerking off to porn with the sound turned down because their shrew wives won’t let them have sex with them. A city has to have a seedy underbelly, an obvious imperfection for it to have an interesting culture. The seediness of Albany is what makes this place punch above its weight in nightlife and make it a semi-enjoyable place to live, a factor that Ottawa simply doesn’t have. The most exciting thing that’ll happen on a night out in this place is some drunk falling over in front of your table and pretending to stroke out like an epileptic before getting up and claiming he’s fine, after half the bar has called 911 on their cell phones like Good Citizens. Perhaps it’s just the fact that I’ve spent most of my life living in and visiting decrepit cities like Albany and New York City to be able to enjoy a place that is run the way it’s supposed to, but Ottawa is just too PERFECT to be really fun.
Ottawa Locks, Rideau Canal
It’s not all bad, though. If you’re interested in Canadian history and government, it’s certainly worth paying a visit to Parliament Hill to scope the nice Gothic Revival architecture and statues, and tour the actual Parliament building (which curiously has less stringent security then the New York State Capitol despite being a more likely target for terrorists). If you’re into canal technology, the Ottawa Locks are worth a look, if only because unlike most locks in Ontario and upstate New York, you don’t have to drive out to the back of beyond to see them. The Canadian Museum of Civilization is a decent Smithsonian knockoff. There’s also one very cool museum in the area that I’ll be writing up later this week – it’s that awesome. It’s all enough to keep you occupied for at least a weekend.
House of Commons Chamber, Parliament
As for the girls, I found them to be surprisingly pleasant and feminine. They’re a huge step up from Toronto girls, the absolute worst to game on the East Coast. The culture of obnoxious, SWPLish cliquishness that defines Toronto is much weaker in Ottawa. I wonder if this is due to the fact that La Belle Province, teeming with eager-to-please French sluts, is just across the river, but in any event Ottawa girls are much easier to cold approach then Toronto women and are much more receptive to Mystery Method-style game. The biggest problem is that they don’t drink as heavily as Ameriskanks, so if you generally use alcohol as a crutch to get laid, you’ll have to step your sober game up a notch. It’s generally easy for American guys to game Canadian girls (Torontonians exempted) because Canadian dudes are mostly meek pussies. My HBD theory of why this is so is that English Canada’s founding stock being disproportionately composed of Loyalists fleeing the Thirteen Colonies during the American Revolution means that Canadian men are selected for agreeableness and temperance – or cowardice and wussiness, some might argue. No wonder Aoefe can’t find a man – there AREN’T any north of the border! Basically, if you’re a American dude with social skills, decent game, and a sense of style, you’re already most of the way towards cleaning up in places like Ottawa.
Centennial Flame, Parliament Hill
In terms of looks, Ottawa’s womenfolk aren’t bad, but they aren’t stunning either. The Anglo girls there tend towards the girl-next-door* look of plain, commonplace beauty. Being right on the border of Quebec, there are a lot of Francophone girls and they look good too, but going to Ottawa to boff French-Canadians is like going to Argentina to boff Brazilians. On average, Ottawan girls are at least a point and a half above Albany/upstate NY girls, but that’s mostly due to the obesity epidemic that’s turned so many American girls into limbed blimps. It’s hard not to feel like Captain Ahab walking down the average American city street, surrounded by all those white whales. If it wasn’t for the American girl’s ever increasing waist size, Ottawan girls wouldn’t turn any heads – both Toronto and Montreal girls are on average slightly hotter.
National War Memorial, Confederation Square
Bottom line: Ottawa has enough to entertain you for a few days, but it’s not worth going out of your way for. If you’re looking for good bars and cute, easy girls who want to get fucked by your imperialist Yankee penis, go to Montreal. If you want culture, music, and hot chicks who have their bitch shields cranked up to 11 24/7, go to Toronto. If these three cities were Roosh’s favorite South American countries, Ottawa would be Argentina, Toronto would be Colombia, and Montreal would be Brazil.
Other notes:
According to WordPress, on Friday my blog got over 250 hits – by far the top referrer that day – from a Citizen Renegade post that has since been deleted. What the fuck did I miss?
I’m REALLY late to the party with this, but over the weekend Seasons of Tumult and Discord went Tango Uniform, for good this time (link NSFW). Deansdale, Ulysses, Dave from Hawaii, and Default User have all posted their tributes.
I’m usually annoyed when blogs I read and enjoy vanish without warning. It’s like slipping out of a party without saying goodbye. Bad enough when any blogger does it, but Alkibiades and Talleyrand were two of my favorite writers, and Seasons was one of the most insightful blogs in the manosphere. Yet I’m not going to condemn them because their sudden departure had, intentional or not, a poetic symbolism about it. I had a niggling suspicion, and digging through my Google Reader (which retains the posts of blogs that have been deleted – another good reason to use it) confirmed it:
Above is the very first post from Seasons. Note the timestamp. Today would have been Al and Talley’s first blog anniversary. The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long. So long guys, and thanks for everything.
I’ve got over a thousand unread items in my Google Reader. Sigh…it’s good to be back.
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* – I never understood this phrase. When I was growing up, the “girl next door” was a Puerto Rican adulteress.
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This post totally made me want to live in Ottawa. Clean, safe, and crime-free, woohoo!
I lived in Ottawa for three years, back in the early ’90s; there are sketchy parts of town like any other big city; for instance, some parts of the Byward Market area, certain parts of Bank Street, and elsewhere. Rideau Street was much worse back in the early ’90s when they had these sort of sun / wind/ snow shelters over the sidewalks – homeless people tended to live inside them, on the street, esp. in winter. So the city got rid of them, making it a lot more inhospitable for homeless people, who moved on.
But yeah, overall, it’s a clean, decent, relatively low-crime city. A decent place to live.
I’ve lived in Adelaide (Australia) for some time and most of what you said about Ottawa made me think about it. I guess most middle-sized cities (an agglomeration of 500k to 2M) are more or less like this. It is different in Europe though, where middle-sized cities (like Marseilles, Bristol or Cologne) tend to be as bad or almost as bad as big ones when security is concerned.
Even though most chose to ignore it, Al put up the intro to Apocalypse Now (which is set to “The End” by The Doors) for a little over 24 hours before they took the site down. So they did warn people, just not as explicitly as many would have liked.
[I didn't see that in my feed for some reason. Odd. - ed.]
As to Roissy, someone sent in a girls picture alongside an email asking for advice about whether or not to leave her boyfriend for a higher status man, but it turned out to be a hoax perpetrated by a spurned suitor, an angry ex, or an even angrier current boyfriend. One of the Chateau readers recognized the girl or the pics and alerted the proprietors to the fraud.
[I know that. I'm just curious as to who dropped the link that got me so many hits.]
I was in Victoria earlier this month. I, too, noticed that the Canadian young women are slimmer than their American counterparts. Many of the young women I saw reminded me of American young women in the late 70′s through mid 80′s. Since I prefer slimmer rather than bootylicious women, generally I find the Canadian women to be more attractive than American women.
Why do you suppose accounts for the differences in body build between Canadian and American women?
Welcome back to you, and good bye to SOTAD…
Those two guy were my daily treat, and now they’re gone. It is a loss.
Alkabiades had a really deft way with the brief character sketch.
Tallyrand was an idiot. A Randy Moss who thought he was a Bill Belichick. If you doubt me here is some recent prime Tallyrand dumbness for your reading pleasure. I have no doubt as to his skills, but his success with women only serves as a perfect illustration of Roissy’s maxim “First, use no logic.”
“Why do you suppose accounts for the differences in body build between Canadian and American women?”
For one thing, apart from in big cities, less black people in Canada, and very few Mexicans. That surely has an impact beyond their own, influencing other poor people, too.
I’m talking about the fact that the white women of Canada are less fat than their American counterparts. I’m not talking about non-whites at all.
I chose Ottawa to visit this time around because it’s the only major East Coast Canadian city
“East Coast”? The only place Ontario borders on the “coast” anywhere is on the freakin’ Hudson Bay. Bloody ignorant Yank.
[Thanks for picking nits. You know EXACTLY what I mean when I describe Ottawa as "East Coast". - ed.]
Phew…I’m relieved to know it’s the men not me that’s the issue. ;)
I did notice on a recent visit Stateside that women are heavier than Canadian women, but sadly I think we’re catching up.
Ottawa is our Capital City which means it has a lot of money funneled to it; it being the place where all our politicos reside.
As I’m government funded and have HUGE issues with their systemic budget failures, I’m not a fan of Ottawa. (I’m Corporate not Non-Profit for the record)
Have you visited Halifax? Now there’s a city to have fun in!!
[Nope, though I've been to some seaside towns in Nova Scotia. Nice enough place, but like Maine and New Hampshire it's too cold in the summer for my tastes. I prefer Maryland and Virginia. - ed.]
Abelard: I understood that, but I imagine that whether or not one acknowledges it, what one sees, can influence one, subtly, even across racial divides.
Nice post, Ferdinand. When I briefly visited Canada several years ago, I had a lot of the same feelings about the “life.” I found it neat and orderly but missing the turbulence of American cities.
Ferds,
A young man with competent Game, and a (presumably) portable skillset, should not be living in upstate NY.
Why do you live there? Because your family is near?
You should be living where there are more hotties, and where the weather is good enough for at least 9 months of daygame per year without the hindrance of a parka, hat, and gloves.
NYC-Manhattan
Miami
Los Angeles
Las Vegas
San Francisco
Boston could be OK too (despite the cold), as would college-heavy cities like Austin (a state Capital, just like Albany).
But don’t waste your prime in upstate NY. If you need to be near the region, move to NYC or Boston.
Roissy should not be in DC either. He should be in NYC, where he would have no trouble getting a similar job.
I speak as someone who has no trouble uprooting and going to a better place, even if in another country, so I might be underestimating the difficulty that others have with just packing up and moving, but still……
I admire Roosh’s balls in trying to eke out extended periods in South America with no budget.
My HBD theory of why this is so is that English Canada’s founding stock being disproportionately
My HBD theory is simpler.
Toronto is the only place in Canada that has any significant number of black people at all.
Outside of Toronto, there are virtually none.
This proximity makes the white women more SWPL-ish, and also more hardened to direct Game.
Ottawa would be Argentina, Toronto would be Colombia, and Montreal would be Brazil.
Sorry no, as Roosh has made clear, bedding Argentinians is extremely hard work. So Toronto would be Argentina
[I meant in terms of the overall experience. - ed.]
Give a brother a break for posting comments before the coffee kicked in. I didn’t think about the fact that you mentioned using a reader just a few paragraphs before.
I missed the link in the actual, though, so I’m still of no help.
Ottawa blows.
As I said earlier, Ottawa’s a nice quiet city, and arguably the complete opposite of our national capital*. It’s nice to live there, and I personally liked it because it allows me to feel “normal” in way that I don’t in the States. I have family that lives up there, and they don’t mind living there given the alternatives, but they routinely find the city to be stifling so much of what you’ve said is true. Despite having a metro area of roughly 1 million people, it feels far smaller in scope, and my cousins in their late teens and early twenties routinely complain that it’s boring and there’s nothing to do. The only upside to living in Ottawa is that it’s relatively quick 2.5 hr drive with little traffic except at the ends to Montreal, so daytrips aren’t impossible. I’d argue that Ottawa is great for quiet beta males who want to hide, but want to have a large city that isn’t too far away from them.
*It’s still cruddy compared to say, Berlin or Paris.
In terms of looks, Ottawa’s womenfolk aren’t bad, but they aren’t stunning either.
I’m spoiled by living downstate on Jew+Guido island, so I tend to down rate the women in Ottawa. They come across as rather dowdy and plain looking to me. If you’re lucky, one may stumble upon a Lebanese girl that’s hot.
there are sketchy parts of town like any other big city
What Ottawans call sketchy, I call perfectly safe prole area.
It is different in Europe though, where middle-sized cities (like Marseilles, Bristol or Cologne) tend to be as bad or almost as bad as big ones when security is concerned.
I suspect it’s because in some countries, the second largest city is a “mid-sized” city. Ultimately, while European cities are dense, they’re just smaller in population count and due to being hemmed in by frontiers, they play a far more important role in their respective nations than they would in the states.
You know EXACTLY what I mean when I describe Ottawa as “East Coast”.
The correct term is Central Canada.
Ottawa is our Capital City which means it has a lot of money funneled to it; it being the place where all our politicos reside.
Yes, but unlike with corporate money, Ottawa feels far poorer. It’s not a place overflowing with luxury cars or high end boutiques, but a very high prole, old-school American class sentiment where everybody seems moderately content with average (but smaller) cars and Buicks feel like “luxury” cars. It’s weird for somebody like myself that lives in an area where proles will lease a Benz for $499 a month for 36 months in order to compete with the “real” middle class.
Nova Scotia
Poora Scotia.
Outside of Toronto, there are virtually none.
Actually, there’s a sizable black population in Montreal and Halifax, and small number in Ottawa. BTW, except in Halifax, in most Canadian cities, Black is really a proxy for “Caribbean” and by default that means Jamaican. So while Canada is attractive in the fact that it’s black population is composed mostly of Caribbeans like myself, it’s disheartening to think that people could lump me with Jamaicans (shudder).
DA: “Actually, there’s a sizable black population in Montreal and Halifax, and small number in Ottawa. BTW, except in Halifax, in most Canadian cities, Black is really a proxy for “Caribbean†and by default that means Jamaican. So while Canada is attractive in the fact that it’s black population is composed mostly of Caribbeans like myself, it’s disheartening to think that people could lump me with Jamaicans (shudder).”
Yes, but not in the country or smaller cities; in smaller cities, there are a smattering of black people; out in the country, there are virtually none. I’m brown myself (half-Trini-East-Indian), not black, but I grew up in the country, and was the only dark-skinned individual at my elementary school, and there were only a few more in high school.
If you’re not a ‘jake’, which kind of Caribbeaner are you, DA? I’m half-Trini, myself. But Scotch-Irish on my other side, which is more important to me, and all-Canadian.
Fuck you
Welcome back home. I’m rather shocked to see SOT&D go. I’d understand if they’d been dwindling and writing less frequently… but they were some of the most active & insightful writers, right up to the very end… hope they’ll take up the pen somewhere else.
Yes, but not in the country or smaller cities
I’ll agree with you on that. Canada’s black population is based in Toronto, Montreal, Ottawa, and Halifax. As my mom’s friend in Quebec City noted, there are very black people there, and to a certain extent, it makes for a relatively isolating experience for some of the immigrants which discourages others from making the move there and to other small cities.
If you’re not a ‘jake’, which kind of Caribbeaner are you, DA?
I’m from the sad, yet proud land of Haiti. Mind you, I don’t have the stereotypical Haitian appearance…
I’m boring. But that place sounds so fucking beautiful. *sniff*.
Oh, that’s right, DA; I did know that, but had forgotten; my bad.
Ah yes, the piece of Africa (in terms of brutal dictatorships, wretched poverty, and pagan animist religion) that just happens to be in this hemisphere; the one country that makes the rest of the Caribbean look great, by comparison. (Trinidadian calypso singer David Rudder once entitled an album of his “Haiti, I’m Sorry”, and had a song about the failure of Toussaint L’Ouverture’s grand dreams for his people.)
David Alexander seems to have the best insight into Canada that I’ve yet seen. Good on you, David.
[Thanks for picking nits. You know EXACTLY what I mean when I describe Ottawa as "East Coast". - ed.]
I assure you, most sincerely, that I am not picking nits. You may have lived in Montreal for a time, and it’s great that you know something about Canada, but clearly you haven’t learned the nuances of regional identity. Calling Ontario the “East coast” is tantamount to fighting-words on the actual East coast. (In a George Street bar it would get you beaten up.)
This post is all kinds of lol.
Ottawa and Upstate NY are in the same timezone, hahahaha.
Ottawa is drab, Ottawa-Hull is decent. You should have went to Quebec City.
Blogosphere people are torn on Toronto girls; I’ve heard different (non-resident) bloggers say that they’re easy, and I’ve heard them say that they’re difficult to game.
Let me lay it out for you; Toronto is a wannabe New York, what are the girls like in New York?
All alone in the big city with a pocketbook full of dreams, and at the top of the list is to land Mr. Big. Toronto is literally the epicenter of high-status mimicry game and rolling a suit even if you’re unemployed game, super direct game also works well if you have the swagger to back it up, and I have even used fake accent game here to decent success.
Of course when I was younger I was working on Bay St. in the finance hub, so that also helped immensely.
Dress sharp, strut around with supreme confidence and open everything in sight, be aggressive, lack shame, just in case work on a good fake Italian or Spanish accent. Solid fundamentals backed up with posturing and crazy flair. Essentially NYC game without the money behind it.
I know a couple of really cute girls from Ottawa, but on the whole, they average a full point lower than in Toronto and at least 1.5 points lower than Montreal.
The city is an okay visit, but I wouldn’t live there…too dram, too clean, too quiet…too Canadian.
What is nice is the Ottawa area; whitewater rafting on the river on Civic Holiday (good rapids and crazy girls), cottaging in the north, canoeing in Algonquin Park et al.
Canadian girls are thinner for a few reasons;
- Canada doesn’t have the same culture of excess as the USA.
- Less readily available fast food (we have Wendy’s, McDonalds, Tim Hortons, Harvey’s and KFC…there’s like 80 conglomerates in the states)
- Everything costs more and is more heavily taxed.
Ah yes, the piece of Africa (in terms of brutal dictatorships, wretched poverty, and pagan animist religion) that just happens to be in this hemisphere
Admittedly, Haiti feels like a fluke when compared to nearly everybody else. Most African countries would kill to have Jamaican levels of GDP, and Haiti has been exempted from nearly anything resembling high levels of growth. Mind you, Haiti at it’s core is a country forged by a slave rebellion where the Western influence was never fully forged. Of course, it generally doesn’t help that we lack a tourism industry, off-shore banking, and resources like every other island (Jamaica has bauxite, Trinidad and Barbados have oil, and Haiti has useless soils), and we’re stuck with incompetent and brutal leaders who don’t do anything other than loot the treasury, and an upper class that has no desire to ultimately develop the island or sacrifice in order to improve the country.
One of the more interesting things about Haitians is that despite being rather poor, the diaspora thinks that they’re certainly better than the Jamaicans who are stereotyped as being crude, wild, hypersexual, and boorish. A sizable number of Haitian parents still refuse to let their children date Jamaicans, and admittedly I don’t blame them since they come across as crazy to me. Everybody else is perfectly fine, but they’re a bit too extreme for me based on the few that I knew…
nuances of regional identity
Newfoundland -> special, magical land where rocks float
Atlantic Canada -> poor, slighty resentful
Quebec -> revanchist dreams fueling faux separatism in land that’s really a French speaking United States
Ontario -> the hub of Canada slowly losing its control and relevance to Alberta
Manitoba -> bland
Saskatchewan -> blander and emptier
Alberta -> Texas with no black or Hispanics (or descendants of German) people, winter, and the best light rail system in North America
British Columbia -> Alberta’s welfare dumping ground with a city serving as a weird mix of San Francisco and Seattle
Territories -> useless except some mineral extraction
Canadian girls are thinner for a few reasons
Since being cooped up in finished basements doesn’t inflate the problem, I’d argue that it may due to less use of corn syrup, and the fact that Canadians are more apt to walk and use public transport compared to Americans. Plus, since their cities are smaller and more compact, they have far shorter commutes which is less likely to induce the need to eat out or cook third rate fatty prepared foods to “save time”.
“It blows like Linda Lovelace hallucinating a gun pointed at her head off-camera. ”
Thank you for making my day.
“the fact that Canadians are more apt to walk and use public transport compared to Americans.”
Yes! Big one, there; when I lived in the States, I had a room-mate for a while, and once, he drove his car across the road from our apartment building to the Cracker Barrel for dinner. Seriously! There is a culture of driving even when walking to the corner store could easily be done, that is in America but not in Canada. American travel writer Bill Bryson has commented on it in his books, and I noticed it, too.
Of course, it doesn’t help matters that there are less sidewalks in suburban areas in America than in Canada, from what I noticed. I could go to that Cracker Barrel on foot, but to cross the other, main road, I had to use a car, as there were no sidewalks nor crosswalks, and it was very busy, so I’d have been taking my life in my hands to walk across the road there (in Clifton Park, just north of Albany).
Canadians don’t eat out as much, because it’s more expensive for us to do so. That, too, has a big impact.
Canadians don’t eat out as much, because it’s more expensive for us to do so.
I keep forgetting that the GST makes one think twice before spending any money, and Canadians are downright stingy when compared to Americans. I’ll note that I say this as somebody who lives in a region with Jews…
There is a culture of driving even when walking to the corner store could easily be done
Canadian gas prices may simply be high enough to depress car usage, and from what I remember, if you’re cursed to living in a province with no government run car insurance, the insurance is downright expensive. So more expensive cars, higher operating costs for those cars creates an environment where people are less likely to drive, and the cold weather probably depresses car usage due to road icing. Admittedly, Canadian cities have higher transit usage when compared to Americans, but lower when compared to Europeans. Canadians have a weird tolerance for buses*, something that I saw first hand in Ottawa where the city was too cheap and stupid to build a proper light rail network, and built a busway instead but somehow managed to attract decent patronage, something that American busways and rapid transit systems have failed to do. I’ll also note that Canadian houses have stayed far smaller** than their American counterparts which makes sense given heating costs, and neighbourhoods have far more pedestrian friendly lay-outs that make walking and mass transit usage either. Canadian cities don’t really sprawl out in the same way, and they remain low density, yet compact.
Or maybe we’re just lazy and filled with too much money?
*As my cousin asked, “does anybody ride buses here” when refering to my neighbourhood on Long Island, and I advised no because nobody wants to be seen using it for class reasons, and people couldn’t be bothered about polution.
**I prefer the smaller Canadian housing stock when compared to its gaudy, large American counterpart.
Yes, we are stingy, and we don’t tip as well (typically, around 15% as opposed to 20-25% for Americans) – again, our government leaves us with less of our earnings thanks to taxes, so we become a bit stingier.
I don’t think the high gas prices discourage much car use here, though; we just grumble more and take it, it’s the Canadian way.
But yeah, we’ve inherited a love of city buses from our Brit forebears.
Eastern Canada blows and the people are funny over there.
again, our government leaves us with less of our earnings thanks to taxes, so we become a bit stingier
Really? I’d argue that the problem with the Canadian economy is that even with the current de facto 1 to 1 parity in terms of both currencies, Canadian buying power is crap which means that everything is just simply more expensive even before one takes into account the GST. I’ll refrain from ragging on taxes since I live in NYS which is a high sales tax, high income tax*, high property tax state.
*I wonder how much money we’d recoup from eliminating the tax exemption for public pensions…
But yeah, we’ve inherited a love of city buses from our Brit forebears.
But they’re slow and ride like crap. Hell, even the German-built Mercedes Benz buses are only slightly better than their
AmericanCanadian counterparts.Typical resentful Westerner, Rob. Even with one of yours as PM, you still aren’t happy. Quelle surprise! You’re just like Quebeckers.
DA: That is also a big factor; things do cost more in general up here. Even with NY’s high taxes, I found I had a lot more spending power the year I lived there, than even when I lived in Alberta.
Toronto has a world-class mix of pussy colors, smells and tastes. It’s a global smorgasbord of feminist, femininity and everything in between.
I know you’re away, Ferd, but I felt I wanted to clarify that I’m not trying to troll your post. Rather, you seem genuinely interested in Canada and so I’m telling you that in order to understand this country, one basic fact to realize is that most people have stronger feelings for their “region” than for the country as a whole. This fact underlies so many aspects of national politics. (Ontarians are occasionally the exception – they, more than anyone else, are able to feel like “Canadians†first because their province is the figurative, if not literally the geographic, centre of the country).
As far as Ottawa goes, I like it for the reason others here seem to hate it: it’s safe, clean, green, boring, and it’s not far to get out of it into the countryside. In fact, it’s one of the only cities I can stand, for those reasons.
@David Alexander:
Territories -> useless except some mineral extraction
Au contraire, mon ami, the most sublime natural beauty almost anywhere on earth – similar to Alaska but with fewer people. If you’re an outdoorsman, the Territories are your paradise.
For the guy who mentioned thinner women in Victoria : Yeah, but go live there. It is a Feminist Utopia. If you work at a job with women, you really have to watch your back and every. single. word. you say. Especially if you are in a higher position, they are gunning for your station and YOU.
They are nasty tempered, insulting, falsely accusing , rampantly bi-sexual ( and not in a good way ) BITCHES. There’s a reason there are virtually no pics in the marriage / engagement section of the paper >> because there virtually isn’t any.
Although the city is growing, it’s from in-migration. The schools are all closing from lack of children. What does that tell you?
no black culture!hated it! we are raised to fight. We exude confidence and arrogance in the states. We make the world go round. What a waste to take all this mandingo to a place where you cant see your own culture. I really hated this place. Nothing personal to anyone from here but I literally wanted to kill myself.If I say to much my real feelings will come out. I think I made my point. I’ll take my good ole American racism. Where a white man calls you nigger and says get off my porch! Not a place that hides racism by looking through you like you dont exist.Its a beautiful place in terms of scenery but I did two haaaaaaaard! weeks in this mf. Helllllllllll nawl! And im a Georgia boy from Chicago. Can I get my money converted before i leave?
And we like it this way, dude, so stay out! Thank you.
Yeah! run away from what you cant be! Im what ur girlfriend wishes you were. lol
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