If you haven’t read the story by now, here you go:
A former Israeli soldier has sparked outrage by posting photos on Facebook of herself in uniform smiling beside bound and blindfolded Palestinian prisoners.
In one photo, she is sitting legs crossed beside a blindfolded Palestinian man who is slumped against a concrete barrier.
His face is turned downwards, while she leans toward him with her face upturned.
Another shows her smiling at the camera with three Palestinian men with bound hands and blindfolds behind her.
The incident was a reminder of the fraught relations between Israeli soldiers and the West Bank Palestinians under their control.
I don’t even need to read any blogs to know how each ideological clique is going to spin this story.
The far left and Buchananite right will declare that this is proof that the Israelis are imperialist, racist neo-Nazis carrying out genocide.
The neocons will try to downplay this to claim the Israelis are peace-loving liberal Westerners and that this girl is just a bad egg.
The white nationalists will cite this as evidence that the Jewish Borg Hive Mind is trying to destroy the White race.
All of them will miss the point.
This story was completely expected. Stop acting like it wasn’t. The Israelis and Palestinians have been at war for over six decades. This is what nations at war do – humiliate, mock, and dehumanize the enemy. It USED to be standard procedure before the peoples of Europe and America lost their balls:
Omigod! Those cartoons are RAAACIST! They depict the Japanese as nearsighted bloodthirsty dimwitted savages and the Germans as fat monomaniacal slave drivers! Just look at how Bugs Bunny treats those soldiers or how the Nazis abuse poor Donald Duck!
I’m not done yet. Here’s Life Magazine’s “Picture of the Week” from the May 22, 1944 issue:
If you can’t read the caption, here it is:
Arizona war worker writes her Navy boyfriend a thank-you note for the Jap skull he sent her
And here’s the description of the photo from Coldequation, who wrote this up a while ago:
When he said goodby two years ago to Natalie Nickerson, 20, a war worker of Phoenix, Ariz., a big, handsome Navy lieutenant promised her a Jap. Last week Natalie received a human skull, autographed by her lieutenant and 13 friends, and inscribed: “This is a good Jap – a dead one picked up on the New Guinea beach.” Natalie, surprised at the gift, named it Tojo. The armed forces disapprove strongly of this sort of thing.
That’s right. Your grandfathers scraped the flesh from the heads of dead enemy soldiers and gave them to your grandmothers as gifts. And they loved it.
And if you’re a historical illiterate who thinks the Japanese were kinder to their enemies, here’s another picture from Coldequation’s post – a Japanese officer decapitating an Australian POW with a samurai sword:
Get over yourselves. Savagery and barbarism are the way of the world. Always have been, always will be. Whether it’s right or wrong is irrelevant – it’s the morality of the tribe, where defending your own is the greatest ideal, even if it means inflicting horrors on others. Indeed, Westerners have become less bloodthirsty in the decades since World War II. The politicians’ and media’s reaction to weak non-incidents like this Israeli chick or 
Abu Ghraib, or the rare massacres like Haditha in Iraq, are proof of this. The only people regularly committing atrocities are mercenary groups like Blackwater, and that’s because all mercenaries care about is booty. One of the biggest reasons the Thirty Years’ War wiped out close to a third of the population of what is now Germany was the belligerents’ excessive reliance on mercenaries to do the fighting.
And make no mistake – the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is at heart a tribal one. It’s about who gets to own the tiny little spit of land known as Palestine. The tribal nature of humans ensures that there will never be peace so long as two groups occupy the same part of the world. Either the Israelis will eradicate the Palestinians or the Palestinians will eradicate the Israelis. They can’t live together any more than the Saxons and Angles could live with the Romano-British, or the Americans could have shared the land with the Indians.
And I’m tired of the hypocrisy of losers who complain about how the Israelis stole the land from the Palestinians. Nine out of ten of you are only where you are because your ancestors massacred the previous owners of the land you’re sitting on. Are you from Australia? Better give that continent back to the Aborigines and hustle your White arses back to Europe. From America or Canada? That’s not your land, Kemosabe. I’ve got a bit of Indian blood, so I get to stay, but the rest of you white and black assholes ought to hightail it back you came from. Turkish? It’s not Istanbul, it’s Constantinople!
Unless you’re part of an obscure Amazonian tribe, someone somewhere owned your land before your countrymen did, and the only reason they don’t own it now is because your forerunners thoughtfully killed most of them and expelled the rest. The Israelis are only doing what the Americans did in the Western U.S., or the Spanish did in most of Latin America, or the British did across half the fucking planet. The only difference is that instead of being ancient history, it’s happening right now. Everyone alive has the blood of another tribe on their hands – the Israelis’ blood just hasn’t dried yet.
Liberalism is the only reason the Israelis haven’t pulled a Wounded Knee and killed or thrown out everyone who doesn’t go to synagogue on Saturday (secular heathens exempted), and why the Israeli government and military leadership is condemning this girl for having a little fun. Considering that the Palestinian population has actually GROWN in the forty years since Israel took control of Gaza and the West Bank, I have to laugh at the histrionic little girls who claim the Israelis are actively trying to ethnically cleanse the Palestinian territories. But as I reported a few months back, Israeli youth are increasingly rejecting liberalism, which will have seismic effects as the older, more moderate Israelis start dying off. In a conflict between two equally determined sides, always put your money on the one with the better guns.
It’s not morally defensible, but either the Israelis or the Palestinians – most likely the Palestinians – are going to join the Old Prussians and Ostrogoths in the Hall of Dead Tribes. Yitzhak Rabin is the past – Eden Aberjil is the future.
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Good post Ferdinand and you’ll get no major disagreement from this paleo.
Two corrections:
1) The man in your photo being beheaded by the Japs is an Australian not an American. He is Leonard Siffleet who was a member of the famous (in Australia) Force Z.
[D'oh! Fact check fail. - ed.]
2) Australia wasn’t stolen but colonised. I know there is considerable debate about the difference but, it’s important to challenge the difference. There were no Government led massacres of Aboriginals – all that stuff is made up leftist hogwash. Also, it is hardly possible, given that the majority of “colonisers” were actually convicts, that they could be blamed in anyway for “stealing” Aboriginal land. To equate the Jewish annexation of Israel with Australian colonisation is wrong.
[Good point, but the idea is that people who engage in the "you're not the REAL owner" arguments are arguing from a ridiculous premise. All of us are living on land that belonged to someone else at some point.]
But, I take your overall point about the necessary brutality with regard ethnic and religious conflict.
BTW. Palestine and Palestinians are but a fulcrum for Iran. Iran has won two wars now: Lebanon and Iraq. I know the perception is that Israel won the first and America the second but reality is that Iran won both, the second courtesy of the neocon led USA.
If we were to be sensible about it we would ally with the Iranians (who are Shia and opposed to Sunnis). But as it is, we won’t, and if the past two wars are any guide we won’t “win” an Israel/Iran confrontation.
Solution: Muslims out of the West, ally with Iran and Israel.
Reality: Bombs coming Tehran’s way, everyone duck for cover.
[Iran isn't the threat it's cracked up to be. Ahmadinejad makes a lot of noise because he knows the American and Israeli establishments are scaredy-cats who shriek whenever he says something menacing. He pushes for war, Iran gets flattened, if not by the U.S. then by internal strife.]
PS. I love! Merry Melodies. My favourite is Foghorn Leghorn. I reckon his conclusion re Israel/Palestine would be: “Tthis is gonna cause more confusion than a mouse in a burlesque show!” “We have been flim-flammed!”
You forgot to include how the manosphere will react: men being humiliated by a woman, in our times, once again; and, a woman showing she can be just as ghastly and inhumane as a man. Both of which are correct observations / responses, IMO.
We all know many (not all) women can be much more vicious than men under the right conditions (untrammelled power). At least, anyone who went to an all-girls school knows this. Not that absolute power doesn’t corrupt absolutely for men too, but I’d sooner deal with a male dictator than a female dictator any day of the week. Of course, that might be because I’m a woman.
Same lady would probably be putty in the hands of an attractive man. It’s just a pity the rest of us end up taking the flak for these bitches. Many women would die first rather than laugh at someone else in this way.
Demographics always win out in the end, just ask the Romans and Byzantines.
That’s a hair split too fine. Calling it a Jewish annexation is laying it the feet of the tribe. It doesn’t matter how the original Australians got there, because their tribe put them there.
It’s not a matter of blame or guilt either. Most Isaelis weren’t involved in actually conquering anything. They are just squatters that moved in after the fact, or were born there. Almost no Isrealis can be blamed for any of this, and if they could they are getting less guilty with each passing day.
The worst thing about the right-wing Pali heartbleeding is they don’t even grok why the far Left does root for team P in the I/P conflict.
I mean, I can get a far right-winger rooting for P if he doesn’t hate Jews. Maybe he believes that the Palestinians have a Blood and Soil kind of claim to the land, that is inviolate out of reasons of tradition, et cetera.
Does the Left believe in this ethnic, traditional irredentism? Of course not. The root of bleeding hearts for Palestine is that, from the Left perspective the Palistinians are ‘brown’ and the Jews are ‘white’. End of story.
Good post Ferd.
The first thing that came to my miniscule mind was: “Great. Another feminist chick gloating over the men she defeated with the help of other men with guns”.
But that was just me.
Also, I quibble with the notion that Amerindians are indigenous to the Americas. They migrated here as well, and some evidence suggests that they pushed out Caucasoid tribes that were here before they were.
And SDaedalus is exactly right. Anyone who has watched a chick-fight knows that female savagery knows know bounds. The “man’s inhumanity to man” motif takes a turn for the worse when women get involved.
I can never tell them apart. If you told me she was arab or jew, I’d believe you. Can someone just nuke that entire area so we can get on with it?
‘If we were to be sensible about it we would ally with the Iranians’
The fuck why?
The US has legitimate gripes with the Iranians going back to ’79, best to just ignore them and if their figure prints are found on any terrorist attacks come down real heavy. Allying with them would be awful geopolitics for the very reason you point out (ie increased sunni animosity).
Some extrastuff:
The head honchos in Iran KNOW that in a war against the US they would lose.
That’s why they called Castro from his deathbed to shed some tears and beg Obama to not do it in their behalf.
Duh.
The IDF girl’s behavior is sort of dickish, but it wouldn’t qualify for my “dicks” series because she’s too mild and because she’s being court-martialed for it (society didn’t stand by her).
I understand there are going to be violence and beatings and mistreatment delivered to the enemy, but a new dirty tactic that was never practiced in the past is sexual humiliation of captured POWs and this is simply unacceptable. Even Hitler had enough class not to parade captured Allied soldiers around naked and force them to form human pyramids. I believe this disturbing new trend of sexually humiliating the enemy is a result of men trying to impress their female counterparts where such a dynamic could not exist in war in the past.
She’s not being court-martialled – the stupid girl is no longer serving in the military.
That’s kind of a gray area in Israeli justice – if they don’t find out till after your service is complete, then unless you commited a serious crime (murder, etc), nothing will happen to you.
And yes, she is stupid/low IQ. She’s a member of the IDF “Makam” program, that takes “troubled youths” (typically, those with criminal records or extremely low intelligence) and tries to make something out of them via military discipline.
FB, thanks for posting the pictures as they appeared in the foreign press. In our censored press the faces were all blurred out, so we couldn’t see how unattractive Eden “Eyebrows” Abergil actually is.
Has anyone gotten around to asking if she’s related to these Abergils?
Iran can and likely WILL launch a war, in which they will win.
Winning by Iran’s terms is oil at $300 a barrel, the regime in place, no serious consequences (a land invasion) to overthrow their regime. They can take a bombing campaign and shrug it off, they handled Saddam’s “war of the cities” for 8 years with Tehran flattened.
Iran’s first step is a surprise nuking of Israel off the map, launched from Lebanon and Syria with assistance of the Russians who also need oil at $300 a barrel. China won’t like it, because a world-wide economic collapse due to oil shock will create secession and revolution at home, but they are divided and reflexively anti-American. Once Israel is wiped out (it is a one-three bomb state) as an effective military force, the Syrians and Egyptians and Hezbollah and Hamas and Jordanians can move in and will basically kill all the remaining Jews. This is utterly predictable.
Iran’s reason for doing this is to intimidate the Gulf powers into lowering oil production to the $300 barrel range. Thus Israel as an example.
Obama would welcome this, he’s Muslim, hates America, and would love to rule by emergency decree. The Gulf being “closed” by Iranian missiles would provoke an impotent US response of “strongly worded letters of regret” and such. That’s Obama. He’ll never get impeached — too many Dems in the Senate will not vote conviction and you cannot impeach the First Black President without a nationwide race riot.
America is only 65% White, so by definition it is weak and divided and basically impotent. Even a third-rate power like Iran can dominate the Gulf against a nation filled with Mexicans. America turning into Mexico gets Mexico’s military power and force projection and political unity.
“It’s not morally defensible, but either the Israelis or the Palestinians – most likely the Palestinians – are going to join the Old Prussians and Ostrogoths in the Hall of Dead Tribes. Yitzhak Rabin is the past – Eden Aberjil is the future.”
I think it will be the opposite. Israel exists because it holds the United States as a client state due to the large numbers of white Christian Zionists in this country. But in a few decades America’s population will be majority nonwhite. A nation run by Blacks, Mexicans, and Asians won’t care much for helping a bunch of Jews halfway across the world.
I hope those blacks, mexicans and asians bring back the patriarchy. Hopefully, i’ll be alive to see it.
Yeah, I dunno about your point re Iran not being the threat it’s cracked up to be. The Iranians are pretty cluey pricks and nothing like the dopey Sunni Jihadis who have no strategic sense, or a nation to build.
Unlike the Sunni Jihadis, Iran is a state based actor with imperialistic designs. It can do a tonne of damage to Saudi Arabia and other Mid East countries in retaliation for air-strikes. The USA is in no economic shape to withstand a massive disruption to oil supply. Militarily the US is already too stretched to maintain another ground assault which is what will be required if Israel goes the Iranian’s nuclear plants (if they have them?).
From a paleos perspective (and I understand that there is some perception that Buchanan is a bleeding heart Palestinian lover), we should look to be ensuring the Israelis don’t threaten Iran because if they do we’re in for more problems. We need to understand that Iran couldn’t give a crap about the Palestinians just as the Israelis don’t. But the Iranians are using them to further their goals just as they did with Hezbollah in Lebanon.
In general to those reading:
I don’t understand why White Americans (and Australians it would seem) keep wanting to send our White men off to die in battles, which they win, so that we can all ensure that we get more and more non-Whites immigrating to our lands. If the paleos are bleeding hearts on the Palis, the same can equally said about those White people who are bleeding hearts on the Jews in Israel.
We should act in our national and ethnic interest. Ceasing all non-White immigration is in our interest. Ensuring that we have economic access to those primary resources our economies rely on is in our interest. Interminable wars for “democracy” are not in our interest. Making sensible, non nationally compromising alliances are in our interest.
I know we like to think that we’ve got big swinging dicks and can go all Rambo anytime we like but, after the smoke has cleared, our lands are the ones being invaded, peacefully, and the lands we invaded, like Iraq, rely on the enemy, Iran, to keep and maintain the peace.
Has the USA overcome the Global Financial Collapse of 2008? Is the USA prepared for a crippling, however temporary, blow to her economy all to prop up Israel’s “right” to exist? Why do White Americans fight to maintain a Jewish Israel as these same White Americans are actively replaced in their own land?
But, I’m led to believe that the Iranians are the stupid ones who will be easily overcome.
Kyle, I think a better analogy for the Israel/Palestine problem is Britain’s occupation of Ireland. There are so many similarities it is striking. Not least of which, in the end Ireland got her independence and Britain is slowly, willingy, being taken over by Pakistanis and Indians.
“The worst thing about the right-wing Pali heartbleeding is they don’t even grok why the far Left does root for team P in the I/P conflict.
I mean, I can get a far right-winger rooting for P if he doesn’t hate Jews. Maybe he believes that the Palestinians have a Blood and Soil kind of claim to the land, that is inviolate out of reasons of tradition, et cetera.
Does the Left believe in this ethnic, traditional irredentism? Of course not. The root of bleeding hearts for Palestine is that, from the Left perspective the Palistinians are ‘brown’ and the Jews are ‘white’. End of story.”
And you think people don’t “grok” that?
Kimosabe:
“Even Hitler had enough class not to parade captured Allied soldiers around naked and force them to form human pyramids. I believe this disturbing new trend of sexually humiliating the enemy is a result of men trying to impress their female counterparts where such a dynamic could not exist in war in the past.”
The Germans did worse to the Jews in the death camps. The only reason the Allied POWs were treated OK was because there were German POWs in Allied hands.
I don’t understand the argument that this is men trying to impress females. I think it is women taking out their frustrations on men. Even today, women know that they have lower status than men, and given the opportunity they will dominate and sexually humiliate men. In Nietzschean terms it is “Ressentiment” – the hatred of the inferior for the superior.
No Mike, I don’t. Mainly because the vast majority of anti-Zionist, pro-Pali right-wingers emphatically don’t consider Jews white. They also do often support some kind of ethnic-based nationality if not outright ethnic nationalism. This creates a huge blindspot.
The language used by the ISM et al is one of Palestinian irredentism, despite an emphatic rejection of ethnic-based nationality, if not an outright rejection of Nation-States and ethnicities entirely.
The right-wing version of this is essentially just picking sides. Both sides, are on some level, ideologically legitimate to them. The pro-Pali right often agree that a People are entitled to a homeland, and that a People can be defined at least in part by their ethnicity. They aren’t hiding much of anything.
They project their honesty onto the leftwing implementation of the movement. I rarely see Paleocons, et cetera taking anything that the ISM and others at a less than face value.
Since the author of this blog is a scoundrel he projects his personality onto the rest of the world.
“Yeah, we’re all so feminized! We used to cut people’s heads off and send the skulls home! Be a man like me! Arrgggg!!”
In previous generations people were less moral because they had 20 less IQ points. With the Flynn Effect and the triumph of liberal ideas we are better and more civilized.
As far as your idea that two groups can never occupy the same land and live in peace, once again, the author like the idea of genocide and wishes that was the case. I grew up in a diverse city, with every kind of minority except blacks, and we all get along. Blacks cause problems because they’re biologically too but they’re the exception. A few anecdotes about Mexican/white fights or in high school or one or two Muslim terrorists out of millions doesn’t change the general trend,
The critical factor is Iran’s bomb, since Palestinians have demonstrated a capacity (1517-1987) to remain peacefully occupied as long as they were abject, powerless, and unarmed, with their periodic revolts (1830, 1921, 1936-9, 1970, 1975-82) beaten down with Ottoman, British, Jordanian or Lebanese severity. Israel’s encouragement of Palestinian dependence and integration, coupled with the missile-and-suicide-bomber age and Israel’s consistent refusal to use British or Islamic levels of force make all the difference, the humanization of the conflict by bringing Israeli Muslims into government and Palestinians into Israeli health care has produced neither moderation nor coexistence, as Islamists are impervious to gratitude, nor has the “rubber bullets” model of Yaron Ezrahi helped. As an Israeli, I concur with Whiskey’s bluntly glum assessment, and wish that Israel could either help the Israeli Muslims enough to give them a stake in Israel or make itself respected as a Middle Eastern power, as an emergency worker in a mixed Arab-Jewish city I would prefer the former but know it is impossible.
http://virtualjudah.wordpress.com/2010/08/20/a-cautionary-tale-for-shabbat/
whiskey
“Obama would welcome this, he’s Muslim, hates America, and would love to rule by emergency decree.”
You are truly the best troll in the steve-o-sphere. Your capacity to hang bullshit on data points is uncanny.
I am so happy to be an atheist.
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