Week in Review: all fat girls are sluts, a breakthrough in the war on bush, and Jersey Shore brings America together

by Ferdinand Bardamu on August 13, 2010

in Sex

Yesterday, SDaedalus tweeted a story from the Daily Mail profiling five women and the number of sexual partners they’ve had. The contents within provide a perfect opportunity for me to shred another of the pretty lies of modern society. Here’s a picture of Nellie Wong, the girl who’s had the fewest number of penises in her vagina:

 

And here’s a picture of Shelly Tomes, the girl with the most:

 

To the average idiot, this is incomprehensible. “Buh buh but how could a pretty, skinny girl like Nellie be a virgin while a plus-sized homely gal like Shelly be a total hosebag? Good-looking people are evil and true beauty lies within!” Still your tongue, my child, and follow me into the Hall of Truth.

I’m wondering if I should do a series entitled “Occasional Solipsism of the Male Mind,” discussing the infrequent ways in which men transplant their desires and behaviors onto women. This is a perfect example. Your ordinary doofus thinks more attractive and skinnier women are sluttier then less attractive and fatter women because they have more suitors. WRONG! Women aren’t men; they don’t dive on every hot piece of ass they see, even if they have the ability to. Fat women are more promiscuous then skinny ones because they have lower impulse control and because men are relatively undiscerning (despite the keyboard PUAs’ protestations to the contrary) when it comes to getting a root. If someone overindulges in one thing, be it drugs, alcohol, food or sex, you can be sure that they overindulge in the others. If you need hard data, here you go:

In an article published in the September 2008 issue of Obstetrics & Gynecology, Bliss Kaneshiro of the University of Hawaii and colleagues study the effect of women’s body mass on their sexual behavior.  Their sample contains 3,600 women of “normal” body weight (BMI < 25), 1,643 “overweight” women (25 < BMI < 30), and 1,447 “obese” women (BMI > 30) between the ages of 15 and 44…Overweight (92.5%) and obese (91.5%) women are significantly more likely ever to have had sexual intercourse with men than normal-weight women (87.4%).

If you wanna be happy for the rest of your life

Never make a overweight woman your wife

So from my personal point of view

Get a skinny girl to marry you!

As it turns out, there’s one man alive who didn’t take this advice:

Shelly Tomes, 31, is a partner in a media company and is married to Olly, 22, who is a musician. They live in North London.

Wowza. Guy’s at the beginning of his life, an infinite realm of possibilities in front of him, and he gets hitched to an obese, ugly, used-up old(er) skank? And you people wonder why I like to beat up on the Brits? Their women are horrifying and their men are nutless fools.

Other observations:

It amuses me greatly that the two sluttiest women profiled work in marketing and media, respectively. Girls who work in male-oriented professions and/or professions that involve lying tend to be easy. You read it here first.

Not totally surprising that the one Asian girl on the list is a virgin. Asian girls have less testosterone then white girls and thus tend to be less slutty than them, and in turn, white girls have less T than and tend to be less slutty than black girls. Teh facts are RAAACIST!!!

My fellow fans of untainted muff, we have won a major victory. The insufferable hipster porn star Sasha Grey has been publicly shamed for failing to shave her bush:

“Sasha Grey Sparks Bush Backlash”! That was the headline for the always-astute Tracy Clark-Flory’s Broadsheet post on porn star Sasha Grey getting totally naked on the latest episode of HBO’s “Entourage.” Of course, in this day and age, the nudity itself wasn’t shocking. (After all, at this point, who hasn’t seen Grey nude?) It was her pubic hair that became the hirsuite cause célèbre.

…Meanwhile, the show’s “shocker” came near the end as a totally naked Grey wandered into a swimming pool where Vince lay on the edge, passed out. And get this: she had not waxed her pubic hair into oblivion!

If you blinked, you missed it. Unless you were on Twitter, that is. According to Clark-Flory, the sight of Grey’s un-waxed, un-shaved, American-pie pubic hair style sent viewers into fits. “Yea she had a sicko BUSH,” one fairly vomited. “Entourage was wild. So was Sasha Grey’s bush. #EW,” tweeted another. “[D]id anyone else think that was disgusting. ITS 2010!” yet another howled. Who knew so much pubic hair could cause such an uproar?

Yes! Huzzah! I pray for the day in which I can take a lovely lady home, get her naked and not have to worry about having to look at a tangled brown clump thicker then the hair on my head. I say we should go a step further and declare a War on Hairy Pussies. Women will be legally required to shave their pussies once a week and not have any hair on their pussies longer than 3 mm, under penalty of imprisonment. To you PERVERTS who like hairy pussies, where you do think you are – Italy? This is America goddamnit, where we demand that our ladyfolks’ genitalia be exposed to the harsh lamp-light of public scrutiny, and if you don’t like it you can get the fuck out of my country.

Kidding, of course. But I love the clowns who try to tar fans of bald pussies as closet pedophiles. The very first comment on that article drives that point home:

Imagine, a woman’s vagina not resembling that of a prepubescent girl’s is shocking! Clearly the people making those comments have been watching too much porn and not actually having enough sex with real women. While I totally respect a woman’s right to go bald I like the fact that my body looks like that of a real live grown up woman. Deal with it.

Yeah, because a woman with fully developed breasts, hips, and buttocks suddenly doesn’t look like a sexually mature adult if she shaves the hair off one part of her body. Let me turn it around and argue that you haters of bald pussies are in fact closeted fags. You need a girl to have a manly swatch of hair on her crotch because it makes it feel like you’re boffing the dude you secretly want to sodomize instead of a woman. Look, if you’re into guys, there’s nothing wrong with that, but don’t make us real heteros suffer because you want to keep lying to yourself.

Childish name-calling aside, I think the drive to shave in modern times comes from an unconscious attempt by humans to enforce sexual dimorphism. Men are strong and muscular, women are fragile and frail. Men are angular, women are curved. Therefore, if men are hairy, women should be hairless. I’d argue that the greater popularity of oral sex has played a role too. No fun getting someone else’s crotch hairs stuck in your teeth.

Fortunately for us real men, the muff-lovers are retreating on all fronts. Most of the younger girls these days that I’ve encountered know what guys want and keep it shaved. If children are the future, the hairy pussy has none.

Finally, regular readers should know I’m a fan of MTV’s hit reality TV series Jersey Shore. Writing at Slate, Dana Vachon compares the show to another MTV reality show, The Hills, and argues that everyone’s favorite guidos and guidettes provide the perfect TV show for an America in recession:

…Cultural Gospel holds that Jersey Shore became a hit as a triumph of vulgarity. This is wrong. Jersey Shore‘s success has rather to do with the offering of lessons in remedial humanity and is best understood in juxtaposition to the MTV franchise it eclipsed.

[The Hills'] song’s opening lyric is, “I am unwritten, can’t read my mind, I’m undefined” and might have better described the moment at hand and madness to come were it not edited out. As the aughts’ prosperity approached maximum falseness, The Hills evinced the dehumanizing effects of hyperstriving with a story line that veered toward blackmail and a sex tape. Characters grew increasingly paranoid, isolated, schizophrenically camera-conscious. By the time Lauren Conrad left the show, episode titles were evoking Nashian game-theory scenarios: “It’s On, Bitch,” “Mess With Me, I Mess With You,” and, most tenderly, “I’m Done With You.” Her farewell episode saw her at Hollywood’s Beso with on-off love Brody Jenner, Cold War Olympic spawn, noting a shared smallness of the ears. “You shouldn’t trust people with small ears,” said Conrad. “Why?” said Jenner. “Cause they lie a lot,” she told him, and when he asked whether that was really a saying, said she’d just made it up. Their romance had long since tired.

We were watching Jersey Shore, filled with the sort of people we’d deny ever knowing pre-Madoff (lifeworn bikini models, drivers of Clinton-era Hondas, Ronnie Magro) but couldn’t get enough of post-. The cast, having apparently sat out the prosperity, were powerfully able to show the rest of us how to go on living now that it was over. Critics called them shallow, vain, depraved. They were all these things. But it was their miraculously intact humanity that most affected us; “I am the Kim Kardashian of Staten Island, baby,” said Angelina Pivarnick, carrying trashbags as luggage, demonstrating self-esteem divorced from wealth; “I can never go out without my hair extensions,” said Sammi “Sweetheart” Giancola, the show’s great beauty, camera close on said hair-extensions, subverting the very artifice of glamour on which The Hills existed. She was adolescent, needy, took forever to get ready; “If you’re not a guido,” she warned, “You can get the fuck out of my face.” Lucky for Ronnie Magro, soon deeply in love. And for all of his Neanderthalisms, he experienced sex with Sammi not as some air-brushed cliché pushed from the offices of Teen Vogue or Vivid Video (have they yet merged?) but an awesome human wonder to be met with childlike awe. “Yeah,” he said of their consummation. “We smooshed.”

Beneath their tans and gel, the cast of Jersey Shore showed us how to be good to ourselves and one another. Mainly they fought for, not with each other; “We stood together as a family,” reflected DJ Pauly D in the finale, invoking civilization’s very core. And in watching we recovered something of the past. We left the wreckage of the false and paranoid era and like stroke victims relearned to be alive on the planet.

Part of me wonders if Vachon is being sarcastic, but in context, he still has a point. I admit I’ve never watched The Hills and know little about it, aside from that it looks like it stars the grown-up versions of rich white suburban snots who had everything handed to them on a silver platter and STILL kept screaming for more. I grew up surrounded by those types of overindulged, whiny brats and I’d take the likes of Snooki and The Situation over them any day of the week. The Jersey Shore cast may be a bunch of morons, but they’re likable morons.

And Angelina is hotter then Sammi. This guy’s got no taste.

UPDATE: Thursday points out my reading comprehension fail here. I contemplated deleting the offending part, but I’ll leave it up as an acknowledgement of my occasional tendency to fuck things up. Even the best players strike out every once and a while.

{ 49 comments… read them below or add one }

1 Mike T August 13, 2010 at 7:32 am

But I love the clowns who try to tar fans of bald pussies as closet pedophiles.

I think that that is a somewhat logical reaction to guys who act like a woman is a hairy wildebeest if she has more than peachfuzz on her crotch. To each their own, but pubic hair on a woman is not the same thing as hairy legs, no matter what some men may say. (And yes, 70s porn star bushes are disgusting)

2 Steve T. August 13, 2010 at 9:07 am

“I’m wondering if I should do a series entitled “Occasional Solipsism of the Male Mind,” discussing the infrequent ways in which men transplant their desires and behaviors onto women. ”

FB, that would be a service unto mankind. Seriously. Especially since, I believe, women have an instinctual understanding of this male flaw and exploit it, hard.

3 Omega Man August 13, 2010 at 10:00 am

Roissy had a thing about the fat chicks which was very insightful.

4 Pat Hannagan August 13, 2010 at 10:18 am

You know you’re just ruining the snatch here for all of us don’t you Ferdinand? Why do you Yanks have to take everything to extremes? Bigger isn’t always better, and less isn’t always more.

Give me a nice little landing strip any day. Trimmed, manicured and tended to. Going the whole hog is like shaving off your eyebrows. Sure it’s worth a try for shock value but it looks just too bizarre. Which isn’t to say the mono-brow is the way to go but that somewhere in between it fits just right, and is a delight to the sight.

I haven’t seen Sasha Gray in Entourage but, what I have seen of her elsewhere, makes a refreshing change from all the elephant ears that dominate.

It’s the hair that makes the muff with its just a little bit of scruff. Shave it all off and you feel like your patting down a Kojak’s head that’s been hit with an axe.

Nay I say, forgo the full wax.

I’ll always want to imagine that little map of Tasmania, that little golden triangle, gardened, sweet and succulent, hidden waiting beneath tight black hipster jeans. I’ll always want to forage through the foliage to find the pinkened blueish oyster sweating, saccharine sour droplets of fecund rain, misting through the canopy. Ah, bliss.

But you’re right on one thing. That Angelina is wild! I’m imagining her quim. trimmed and jet black, waiting coquettishly.

5 Mandingo August 13, 2010 at 11:30 am

Fred, you finally manage to post an Asian chick (re: diversity) and she turns out to be a frumpy ugg. Of all the hot Asian models and actresses in various stages of undress found on the Internet, you chose a humpty dumpty Asian transvestite I wouldn’t even use to attract my dog. Go here and educate yourself on the true level of hotness among Asian desirability http://www.sankakucomplex.com/

6 Ray Sawhill August 13, 2010 at 12:22 pm

“Keyboard PUA” is good.

On the bush front, I’m an oldie and like many of my age marvel at you youngsters’ pref for bald crotches. I look at photos of cute young women with bald crotches and it feels to me like something essential is missing.

But I’m not of the “you’re all pedophiles” school. My two main points on this important topic:

1) To us oldies, hair on the crotch isn’t a flaw, it’s a signal of sexuality. In other words, it’s hot. You guys seem to find that pubic hair gets in the way of erotic enjoyment. For us, it’s an invitation to erotic enjoyment. (Not that a little grooming might not be helpful too …)

2) I connect the taste for bald crotches with Photoshop. In the visual sphere these days, everything is smoothed-over, heightened, and turned into plastic or vinyl. That creates (and caters to) a taste for fantasy and ideal perfection that strikes us oldies as sentimental, immature, and nonsexual. To us oldies, entering the sexual realm isn’t just a matter of losing yourself in fantasy. If that’s all sex is, why not jerk off over photos? Sex with a woman, by contrast, is about the collision of fantasy and reality, about letting the fantasies fly free, yes, but also embracing the funky side of life: smells, flesh, imperfections, and pubic hair. It’s about knowing how to enjoy the actual fact of womanhood. In other words, to some of us oldies, the bunch of you are stuck in a 12 year old’s conception of sex, and are balking at actually entering the sexual dimension.

3) The Game crowd is overprone to generalizing from their own tastes. If Gamers like bald crotches and dislike ’70s porn crotches, it’s because your taste is normal and the ’70s were weird. Hey (Gamers seem to think) today’s youngdude tastes aren’t just normal, they’re evo-biologically inevitable! You’ll learn better one day. Yes, there are some generalizations that can be made about what’s hot and what’s not, but it’s a mistake to work backwards from there; it’s wise to be cautious about deriving too many specific conclusions from the valid generalizations of evo-bio; there’s a lot of leeway in there in any case; styles and tastes do come and go, as every modern person has discovered. It’s almost inevitable that you’ll witness your own taste-set go out of fashion in your lifetime.

Bald and hypertrimmed crotches can be fun, each to their own where erotic tastes go, and may a thousand crotch-stylings always flourish …

7 Ray Sawhill August 13, 2010 at 12:23 pm

Oops, that’s “three main points.” Oh, well, another senior moment …

8 Mandingo August 13, 2010 at 12:32 pm

Ray Sawhill
You oldies are also responsible for the sexual revolution which allowed women to have their cake and eat it too. I don’t think us youngies will be taking any more “sage” advice from the oldies. The Greatest Generation’s children have already managed to screw up the sexual dynamic between men and women of not one but several subsequent generations.

9 Mandingo August 13, 2010 at 12:36 pm

And yes I know what a rolling pin is. They used to make them of sturdy Mahogany wood back in my grandmother’s time.

10 Snark August 13, 2010 at 12:45 pm

“And yes I know what a rolling pin is.”

Hahahahahaha. Good call.

11 Advocatus Diaboli August 13, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Women shaving/waxing their pubes bald is one of the best things to happen in the last 15 years.

12 OneSTDV August 13, 2010 at 1:17 pm

Yes thank you. Angelina is really the only physically attractive girl on the show. Sammi is decent though. Anyone attracted to Snooki is a closet pedo. And Jenni is a vile creature, in all aspects.

13 David Alexander August 13, 2010 at 1:35 pm

screw up the sexual dynamic between men and women

Yeah, because banging some mousy looking woman and taking care of her and the kids is the pinnacle of fun and enjoyment.

14 IHTG August 13, 2010 at 2:02 pm

David Alexander:
We understand that you’re not attracted to “plain but pretty” women.

But here’s a question – do you wish you were able to be attracted to such women?
Your life could be much happier.

15 David Alexander August 13, 2010 at 2:11 pm

We understand that you’re not attracted to “plain but pretty” women.

I understand that a lot of men like that, but recently, I’ve lost understanding in terms of the attraction of marriage on a personal level. A lot of men in the MRAsphere want to go back to this pre-sexual revolution world, but I’ve yet to understand the advantage of that to men. Being single seems to me seems better trading hard work for sex and housekeeping when as a single man, I can keep my earnings for myself and enjoy my life as much as possible.

do you wish you were able to be attracted to such women?

Certainly, presuming I also had the needed sexual skills to match. Mind you, I’d prefer to be merely born* with those abilities instead of going through the massively awkward process (for me) of learning game and the other related functions needed to escape the orbit of omegahood.

*See David’s trust fund theory.

16 jz August 13, 2010 at 3:34 pm

re: the U. Hawaii Gynecologist study on BMI vrs. # sexual partners.

I’ll not spend the time to read his methodology, but my experience tells me that the real correlation is between socioeconomic status and # sexual partners. Specifically,
–low ses girls experience little guidance nor disgrace from sluttery. Promiscuity is culturally accepted in poorer neighborhoods, where the girls are heavy.
–low ses girls are fatter , and less attractive, than high ses girls.

The study author’s use of BMI was a surrogate marker for ses. The author would find no BMI-to-partner count correlation if he normalized for ses.

17 David Alexander August 13, 2010 at 5:03 pm

while a plus-sized homely gal like Shelly be a total hosebag

Admittedly, there’s a part of me that wonders if it’s inflating on the part of fat girls. In other words, some fat girls inflate their counts to imply that they’re attractive to men too boost themselves vis à vis other women.

And Angelina is hotter then Sammi

Maybe it’s me, but I’d argue the opposite. Angelina’s one of those girls that has hints of a man face while Sammi has some hint of sexuality while remaining cute enough for average male consumption. JWOWW is much better suited to my tastes, while Snooki reeks of a short-term pump and dump.

18 PA August 13, 2010 at 5:49 pm

Fuck you. A bald pussy is ugly and asexual. It’s not even a pussy, in fact. It’s boring and unexciting. Fuck anyone who advocates shaving the cunt. Fuck these sick paedophilic, aseptic asexual antierotic times. You fucking perverts.

[ROFLMAO. - ed.]

19 K(yle) August 13, 2010 at 6:34 pm

The study author’s use of BMI was a surrogate marker for ses. The author would find no BMI-to-partner count correlation if he normalized for ses.

I don’t think so. There are plenty of chunky, average, or above average IQ SWPLs chicks that are just as, or more slutty than
their prole counterparts. There is more going on than just SES.

A guy desperate for sex is more likely to chase a fatty than a thin hotty. AFC will have more confidence chasing after a fatty too, and caring less if he is blown out, giving him the tools he needs to get laid, that he lacks with fatties hotter friends.

A lot of men in the MRAsphere want to go back to this pre-sexual revolution world, but I’ve yet to understand the advantage of that to men.

You aren’t realistically going to get a system that benefits ‘men’ as a group, or faction. The old social order at least furbished most men with jobs, women, and children that they got to raise themselves. Hard work for meager rewards. Life is toil though. Today the work is at least just as hard for most, if they have work at all anyway. The rewards are considerably more meager though. Especially for those that tried to do things old fashioned and got fucked out of their property and kids; which is probably a majority of the most vocal MRAs.

Although there seem to be a fair share of radically egalitarian MRAs, that don’t give one whit about the old system or returning to it. Fools the lot of them I say.

20 Thursday August 13, 2010 at 7:21 pm

Uh, did you read that study you linked to?

Their statistical analysis shows that there is no significant difference between normal-weight women, on the one hand, and overweight and obese women, on the other, on their sexual orientation, age at first intercourse, frequency of heterosexual intercourse, and the number of lifetime or current male sexual partners.

Emphasis mine.

[Crap...nothing like getting caught with your pants down. - ed.]

21 Thursday August 13, 2010 at 7:30 pm

At a glance, I thought JWOWW was the most physically attractive, despite the over the top fake boobs and the manjaw, but she also seems to be the skankiest of that group of skanks. Angelina seemed kinda bland looking. But then I only watched a few minutes of the show and don’t intend to do more, so I can’t say I’ve given the matter much attention.

22 Lupo August 13, 2010 at 7:32 pm

“Anyone attracted to Snooki is a closet pedo.”

Snooki is far and away the most appealing of the lot of them. She looks about as much like a kid as any of the rest of them; more of an oompa loompa really. And unlike the other orcettes on the show, she has a streak of humanity to her.

23 Breeze August 13, 2010 at 10:35 pm

Do a post on solipsisms of the male mind. I want to know whether I indulge in any.

Also, fat chicks are sluttier than non fat chicks, regardless of wealth or social background. And no, I didn’t have to bang hordes of fat women to discover this, I just keep my ears open around gaggles of women. Its amazing how bitchy they can be when they think no man is listening.

24 Will S. August 13, 2010 at 10:57 pm

The reason much art from yesteryear, whether paintings or sculptures, left off female pubic hair, was to de-sexualize the figures depicted, and thus render the art-work less controversial in the public eye; those who did depict women as women, i.e. with their natural hair down there, like Gustave Courbet’s “L’Origine du monde”, generated controversy and scandal in doing so.

There oughtn’t even BE such things as fashions in pubic hair; the fact that there is, is itself a sign of societal decay and civilizational decline. (In more civilized times, private parts would be private matters (and everyone would go for varying levels of hair but not outright baldness, on our womenfolk, down there).) The fact that we even discuss such things, as blithely as we might discuss the style of hair on people’s heads, is a sign of our society’s depravity.

O tempora; o mores!

25 David Alexander August 13, 2010 at 11:20 pm

Hard work for meager rewards.

Again, why should a man work hard to receive such meager rewards? What good is a job if 95% of your income is gobbled up to take care of a woman and some kids?

The rewards are considerably more meager though.

If you’re stupid enough to get married and have kids, yes the rewards are meager. If you stay single and spend your money on yourself, then you’ll be much happier with the freedom to do what one wants within legal bounds. If I make $60K per year, I don’t have to exchange it for sex with a frumpy looking woman, but I can spend that money on a nice car, cozy place to live, some photography equipment, and travel to ride trains around the world.

At this point, I think we should just go to the next level, leave raising children to machines and trained specialists, disengage from each other sexually, and release our sexual needs with sex robots and virtual reality. Women stay single and support themselves, men stay single and support themselves, and both sexes are free to spend their money on what makes them happy, and virtual sex will provide custom sex partners that meet our needs instead of dealing with incompatible, inferior humans that drive us crazy.

26 happyexpat August 13, 2010 at 11:30 pm

I can’t wait to read “Eternal solipsism of the Male mind”. Really. As a MRA, I think we are good at seeing women’s flaws. But our flaws are harder to see so this series could be enlightening.

27 Racer X August 13, 2010 at 11:33 pm

I love pussy, whether shaved of not. But my preference is for a full, thick, luxuriant bush on a girl. I love the look, the feel, the scent. Since each girl has a different bush, some thicker than others, some hardly even there, some with blond, or red or brown or black hair, some with thick curly hair and others with straighter, finer hair, it is always a thrill to wonder what kind of bush a girl may have and then find out the answer when I slip, or rip, her panties off. That is, if she is even wearing panties.

Give me bush, pure bush, and nothing but bush, so help me God.

28 white and nerdy August 13, 2010 at 11:57 pm

The woman who claims to be a virgin is obviously lying. There is no such thing as a female virgin over 20. Add 5 to these women’s stated numbers and multiply by 3 and I think we would be closer to these women’s real numbers.

29 David Collard August 14, 2010 at 3:08 am

I have known several girls over 20 who were virgins. Religious, intelligent girls from intact conservative families.

I married one.

Not all ethnic groups are as skanky as American whites.

The Asian girl is sweet. The fat pommy slut is a horror.

30 David Collard August 14, 2010 at 3:09 am

BTW, I am the blog commentator who has gone by various names: David, David C, Aussie David. I used to post a lot on Cecilia’s marriage blog.

31 David Collard August 14, 2010 at 3:13 am

BTW, brunettes like my wife have the best bushes, especially if they have fair skin. Delightful contrast. Black on white. I have made her shave it off a few times, or remove most of it, but black bush is the best on a white girl. Like Pat, I also like the Map of Tasmania.

32 MikkoAP August 14, 2010 at 3:49 am

No fucking way is Shelly Tomes 31. Close to 51 more like.

33 David Collard August 14, 2010 at 4:25 am
34 Gil August 14, 2010 at 8:33 am

Yeah, a lot of fatties will find blokes to screw her if she wants to slut it up. Though it is tempting to believe a good-looking women may in fact have fewer partners but they will higher quality men. However this article seems to suggest that sexual abstinence training and family expectations determine whether a woman will be pure or lack thereof.

35 K(yle) August 14, 2010 at 2:50 pm

@DA

Nothing is static. Everything in the world is moving in the opposite direction of your vision. More restrictions, less freedom, tighter quarters and more friction. To get things the way you want them you would have to force it upon women, which would never happen from divestment from society.

All of these single mothers in your dream world aren’t going to be paying for themselves. Alimony and child support is already underpaid, with virtually no fathers and husbands things would go critical. You’d have an entire generation of single mother raised, white knighting brats coming up behind you deciding on a system that is capitalism for men and socialism for women. Things are already sliding that way now. Money is already taken from you to pay for single mothers, even though you didn’t assist in the spawning of her brood.

Also I think you greatly overestimate how far $60k/y will go now. I don’t even think that wage is realistic on a single job in the near future for the slightly above average man. Chances are you will be making 60k working ~70h/week with virtually no vacation time, with tax hikes, and other unforseen expenses thrown in to boot.

You’re also looking at things from a fundamentally different perspective. Why slave away at your job just for 95% of your money to go to your ‘comfy’ house and ‘decent’ car? Because it’s your house and your car. Just like in a by gone era it was also your wife and your kids.

The world that many MRAs are pursuing isn’t one in which they slave away at factory jobs 14 hours a day while their childless wives spend freely from mutual checking accounts and fuck edgy bad boys on the side.

As for women being ‘frumpy’, this is your own personal hangup. Even if you take home an overly sexualized, pornstar looking club rat, most of them are going to be wearing sweatpants and uggs, with minimal makeup, et cetera except when they are going out to ‘dance’. If you are not attracted to women that aren’t on a TV screen or computer monitor that’s a hangup that has nothing to do with any consideration of having a wife and kids, or working hard to support them. I wouldn’t encourage gay men to go out and get wives to slave away for either. For most men there is going to be some kind of benefit of having at least one women around who can get your dick hard.

I understand the ‘fiddle while it burns’ perspective, but it’s not a valid formula for any kind of movement. Obviously MRAs aren’t just seeking personal redress or benefit, but a societal change. What you are advocating isn’t really a societal change. You want society to mostly stay the way it is now, which requires lots of men not to follow your example. As such it’s still a form of free riding, even if everything was coming out of your own pocket.

36 David Alexander August 14, 2010 at 10:34 pm

All of these single mothers in your dream world aren’t going to be paying for themselves.

In the dream world, there are no single mothers and thus no child support or alimony. All children are raised by the state in group homes and released at adulthood.

Money is already taken from you to pay for single mothers, even though you didn’t assist in the spawning of her brood.

For some reason, bribing a single mother to go away with a fraction of my tax payments seems like a better option than seeing her pretend to love some beta man and take 95% of his income.

Also I think you greatly overestimate how far $60k/y will go now.

Admittedly, I’m in a high cost of living region of the country where $30K is considered “low wage”, so things may vary. Regardless, at reduced incomes in the future, there’s far less incentive to marry and squander my money on women and children.

Why slave away at your job just for 95% of your money to go to your ‘comfy’ house and ‘decent’ car?

The car and house are more likely to increase my happiness and love me back than any woman is capable of doing. If you believe that women are capable of loving the vast majority of men, then you’re an idiot. Women cannot love beta males, and it’s not in their genetic code to have such an ability. Women are only capable of forming desire toward alpha males, and while many conservatives will argue that marriage is the bedrock of civilization, it’s merely a mercenary action of exchanging sex and housework for income support. Why engage in such a trade when I can keep my income for myself and provide my housework and sexual release? Women and children are a dead weight.

Just like in a by gone era it was also your wife and your kids.

Yes, but their required upkeep was much to hard to justify their existence. It’s far better to dump the dead weight and engage in enjoyable pursuits. I am not working 40 hrs a week and handing over all of money in exchange for shitty sex and the “right” to take care of kids. It’s a waste of money that could be dedicated to far more enjoyable pursuits that provide a better return on investment. “Old-school” marriage is bunk, and so is modern marriage. All marriage is bunk, as it’s merely beta male slavery. MRAs wishing for men to get married are enemies of men.

As for women being ‘frumpy’, this is your own personal hangup.

I’m amazed that men are able to have sex with frumpy looking women. To me, everybody else is broken, but since I’m in the minority, I’m the porn-addicted freak, and everybody else is normal. It makes little sense to me to have sex with a normal woman when better looking women exist. Admittedly, you’re right as the sexualized porn-star looking club rat will never look like that 24/7 which only ensures that I’ll never be content with her. Sadly, it only leaves the option of staying single for men like myself who could never be happy with a “normal” woman. OTOH, I’m inoculated against the traps and lies that women use to ensnare men into sexless marriages.

I understand the ‘fiddle while it burns’ perspective

If we are unable to build a perfect society, then let it burn with all of us, and may by divine providence be another superior species to take over for us.

37 David Collard August 15, 2010 at 1:00 am

Hi DA

Most men have sex with less than ideal women. I could fuck about one-third of the women I see every day. I have sat on a bus and checked this. That is all women, all ages.

If you know how women tick, you can do well in a marriage. If the woman loves you, and she wants affection (cuddles) from you, you have considerable power. A woman will do just about anything to get affection from a man she respects. I get my meals cooked, clothes cleaned and cock sucked regularly. I got my wife to suck my cock (just for stimulation, not to orgasm, for religious reasons) and then fucked her yesterday. She “shit-tested” me all the way. She even shit-tested me after I had penetrated her. What helped me “win” was holding out the bait of a bit of affection.

If a woman really respects you, and wants affection, she is yours.

38 Will S. August 15, 2010 at 1:14 am

Okay, David Collard; I know you’re a hard-core Papist like Alte / Cecilia / B&G, on whose blogs you were a frequently commenter, but why would you consider it imperative that your wife not get you finished off completely via oral, for “religious reasons”, as you put it? Monty Python joked that “Every sperm is sacred” to Catholics, but surely that’s just a humourous caricature, no? Is it really necessary, according to your understanding of your tradition, that you finish up the conventional way, every single time? (And yet, I clearly recall that you’ve admitted online that you buggered your fiancee while you were still courting in order to preserve her virginity but also (a) satisfy your needs and (b) ensure her willingness to totally submit to you, but obviously she wasn’t finishing you off then in the conventional way, so why must she always do so now?)

Man, you Papists are weird! Thank God I’m Protestant!

39 God August 15, 2010 at 11:10 pm

Will S.,

You have to remember that David Collard is a hardcore Catholic.

I do not know specific details to why he would not let his wife swallow his cum. He will have to explain.

40 David Collard August 16, 2010 at 3:58 am

Will S, yes, we Catholics must seem weird. I have often thought the same thing.

Hi God. It is not often that we Catholics get to talk directly to You. That is more of a Protestant privilege.

I can’t remember exactly why I sodomised my fiancee. It wasn’t to show dominance, although I do like dominating women. I suspect it was a contraceptive measure. It was many years ago now.

As for ejaculating in my wife’s mouth, I have done this, and I enjoy doing it.

However both these acts are Mortal Sins in my Catholic tradition, so I try to avoid them.

I hope that slakes your curiosity, Will S and God.

BTW, God, Will S thanked you for making him a Protestant.

41 Will S. August 17, 2010 at 6:17 am

I had no idea that such was considered a “mortal sin”; thanks for enlightening.

God doesn’t post comments on blogs. His Word is complete, and He speaks through it, and the Spirit. But we can talk directly to Him, through Christ; even you can, David Collard.

42 God August 17, 2010 at 3:02 pm

I pray that both of you realize that what you believe in is not real.

Now leave me alone for I have some angels to fuck.

43 Will S. August 17, 2010 at 4:30 pm

Go ahead and smirk, blasphemer. I couldn’t care less.

44 Devil August 17, 2010 at 4:39 pm

Aww, look at sweet Willy loving his neighbor.

Daddy’s proud of you.

45 Will S. August 17, 2010 at 4:56 pm

I’m just being factual; calling out sacrilege and blasphemy isn’t incompatible with Christian love; in fact, it’s a warning, for those who will hear and listen.

But you’re right; maybe I shouldn’t bother – with either of you…

46 Devil August 17, 2010 at 5:31 pm

I’m a dog.

woof.

47 Will S. August 17, 2010 at 5:42 pm

Or a pig (swine); I’ll leave that determination up to you.

48 Proud FA October 7, 2010 at 3:18 pm

http://biggerfatterblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/more-proof-fat-girls-are-sluts.html

I have written several article on Bigger Fatter Blog explaining how fat girls are sluts.

49 Dan the Man January 11, 2011 at 3:17 am

Of course, this solely relies on the women being honest about their total sex partners. No examinations were done, no lie detector tests were administered, only the word of modernized American women.

Also, she’s not even hot. The only thing going for her, is the fact she isn’t overweight.

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