I wanted to comment on this story. Do a real thorough fisking that would entertain and inform. But I just can’t. I spent two hours at work yesterday writing nothing and procrastinating because I can’t say anything about this story. The words simply do not exist.
Therefore, I will simply offer up some choice excerpts from this piece from The Daily Beast, “The Intellectual Sex Fetish“:
It’s S&M for Ph.D.s: Cuckolding, in which men watch their wives have sex with other guys, is catching on among people with high IQs who revel in the psychological agony.
When he hears his wife moan with pleasure while she has sex with another man, Paul Pines feels bad—then good. When Paul’s wife tells him that the other man is much better at sex than he ever was, Paul feels worse—then better. But of course he does: He arranged this encounter, in which he watches in agony as his wife makes love to another guy. And almost as soon as it’s over, he’ll start planning the next one.
Cuckoldry is defined as a wife’s infidelity. Chaucer and Shakespeare characterized it as the ultimate shame. So perhaps it’s no surprise that today it’s developed into a fairly popular fetish. The Internet is rife with husbands enthusiastically soliciting other men—often larger, hotter, sexier men than themselves—to have sex with their wives while they watch.
This isn’t like swinging, and it’s not a threesome. Cuckolded men (aka “cucks”) only observe their wives’ infidelities, they don’t participate. And that’s why they find it a turn-on: They’re left out, looking on as the woman they love climaxes with a better man than them. It’s a form of psychological sadomasochism. Some people get turned on by whips, chains, and physical pain. Cucks get aroused by mental anguish.
Once a month, Drs. Paul and Sally Pines, a pair of New York City-area Ph.D.s who have been married 25 years, check into a hotel suite with another man. As Paul looks on, Sally and the man snuggle up together on the couch like lovebirds. Soon their clothes are off, and before long, she’s wailing in ecstasy as the man has aggressive, passionate sex with her. Paul, helpless, can only watch and suffer. Afterward, Paul serves lunch to his wife and the man in the suite’s dining area; they eat in the nude before launching into another long, loud, sweaty session.
For Paul, this sort of suffering feels like heaven.
“Imagine looking at the guy who’s about to go to bed with your wife. Imagine hearing the man crying out in bed with your wife,” says Paul, who pleasures himself “like a madman” during these encounters. “The high point of cuckolding is when your wife says she wants the other guy all the time and never wants you. Sally’s body makes it very clear that this is true. It hurts me worse to know this, so it’s better to know.” Worst/best of all is watching Sally bond with the other man not only physically but emotionally—when, as Paul puts it, she’s “masturbating him with her mind.”
In this respect, cuckolding attracts “the very highly educated,” Paul says, adding that it’s “truly intellectual in its enterprise because it replaces sexual touch with humiliation and emotional pain, both of which are psychological. Most of what gives me physical pleasure has to go on in my brain. I’m totally being classist, but this isn’t like people in redneck bars asking each other, ‘You wanna fuck my wife?’ It’s much more complex. It’s pleasure on a different level.”
Read the rest. Just read it. A hat tip to Foseti for this one.
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I’m about to leave in vacation, so I can’t comment much. That said;
“The Intellectual Sex Fetish”
More like the omega sex fetish.
“When, after years of pleading, he finally convinced Sally, whom he describes as “dignified and proper,” to cuckold him….”
The bullshit tranlator(tm) should have that ready about….now:
“When, after years of lowering himself and begging his wife to not ass-rape him on divorce(with everything, a better end), she asked him to get her a lover…”
The bonus, of course, is this gem:
“Cruise the galleries at cuckolding Web sites and you’ll see the same dynamic again and again: white husband, white wife, African-American other man.”
Because nothing is better that when the believers flagellate themselves for the UNSPEAKABLE SIN of being white instead of having the High PC Priests doing it for them.
I would post a text wall of insults but time runs short, see ya.
I always suspect something like this when reading an egregious “beta of the month” story.
Holy Bleeding Jesus, what has HAPPENED to this country?!? I feel ill. If this is what has happened to American men and American culture, the coming hispanicization of the U.S. might not be a bad thing. Say what you will about Mexicans, they at least don’t beg their wives to cheat on them, and then jack off while watching it.
Wow, just wow.
On the one hand, men are attracted to sluts because of their sexual willingness. This is a basic reason why porn is so arousing; the girl is completely open to any sexual experience.
But this notion of willingness is already established if the bitch is your damn wife!
Note that one of the people interviewed in the article justifies it by noting the patriarchal notion of contemporary marriage.
The elitist tone the article takes is unbelievable.
This makes me sick.
There must something said about I.Q. being bell-shaped in usefulness. It like something out of the “Big Bang Theory” – having an I.Q. is good up to certain point but like Sheldon Cooper after that you become retarded again. The hilarity of this would be complete is if these losers found it erotic to actually want their wives to get pregnant and delight in raising children who weren’t his own.
The author supposed this is some sort recent phenomenon? Indeed! I’d said it a case of loser Betas who snagged wives only thanks to their relative high earning power in the modern technological economy. The same Betas centuries would be lucky to live to adulthood and if they did then the only way they get near women would be if they were eunuchs guarding the harem of the Alphas.
I dunno, strikes me as hilarious and harmless. Some people will do funny things to explore the erotic dimension; some will do funny and extreme things to keep the buzz alive in a marriage. There’s something wrong with either of these facts? What’s to get riled up about? Hey, life is funny, roll with it. And check back with me in 25 years about your own erotic history. I’m betting it’ll turn out to have been a little more bizarre than you imagine it’s going to be.
Just a dim impression, but it’s always seemed to me that the intellectually-inclined (at least of the lib-arts sort) often conduct kinky sex lives.There’s a whole micro-genre of novel-memoirs by academics, for instance, that features s&m, bondage, etc. Are intellectual English majors a kinky lot? Or might there be something about being intellectual (ie., maybe feeling that your instincts caged in intellectuality) that conduces to s&m and bondage type adventures and pleasures?
Third possibility: they love thinking of themselves as Really Interesting, and Really Complicated, so they go off and cook up fancy and fascinating scenarios to act out. Still: what’s the harm to you and me?
I think the Game world is great in many ways, but funny, hyper-conventional streaks sometimes crop up that dismay me …
look up femdom and pegging. your mind will be blown.
OK GAY.
Fixed that for you. GAY. Again, fixed that for you.
Its not from what I can tell, “real” High IQ folks (engineering, chemistry, math, Phds) but poetry/liberal arts gays. Who really, really get off on the guy.
There you are.
…and if you killed these people YOU would be considered a criminal! amazing
I think Whisky called it.
I suspect there is a large psychological overlap with the “polyamorous.” Also, lol@pegging. The first google article I got sent to was one for “Christian Nymphos.”
http://christiannymphos.org/2008/05/14/pegging/
Fuck this: I’m going to move to Mongolia to live in a Yurt.
Well, I will say this:
Disturbing. If you want her to NOT desire you sexually, then why get married to her in the first place?
If you want to be a servant and nothing more, why not simply call your relationship “femdom”?
This is also fucked up if they have kids.
I will say that wandering across femdom blogs on the web (I’m a male into spanking with females only) , I’ve seen plenty of guys into cuckolding who prefer to think their wives still love or desire them..that it is some kind of sacrifice they are making for their wive’s sake.
That’s deluded and pathetic, but at least they are honest about their femdom desires and many don’t really like it -indeed, sometimes the wives insist on it.
But WANTING to not be wanted? Having some weird racial festish about the “bull”?
I must say the men in this article put the ones I’ve encountered before up on a pedestal and make them look like “real men”.
About the only cuckolds I can respect are those they claim are doing it for some type of competitive game – you can fuck my wife, but I’ll still fuck her better than you!
But I’ve never ran into any of this type. I assume they are extremely rare.
I have to agree (barring any other explanation) that a majority of men into cuckoldry are what we would call sexual omega’s with the percentage of sexual betas and alphas (the competitive type of cuckold is alpha if ANY cuckold can be) being very low.
I feel sorry for some of these men, and angry at others. Some of them are not only deviant about their desires but are some of the biggest mangina’s in existence.
This fetish can really ruin relationships.
Bardamu tries to pretend like things are the same between us, but I can tell his ego and wife are still pretty bruised up from the whole episode.
What is it with this ubiquitous justification of everything absurd, stupid and downright bizarre that “The High IQ” get up to with comparing it to what “the Rednecks” (Bogans in Oz) do?
Why, without the Rednecks/Bogans you’d just have to consider your own behaviour in terms of…your own behaviour!
Just where are these Redneck bars in which the Bogans are asking the clientele “you wanna fuck my mrs” anyway? The Redneck/Bogan bars/pubs I’ve been to or go to, the common problem is “You lookin at my mrs/grirlfriend?!” BANG! Down you go like a bag of shit under a hail of left right crosses to the head.
If I was asked “you wanna fuck my mrs” I’d be fully expecting a setup where I get back to the designated room of dalliance and out pop 5 Westies in balaclavas, just as my strides are around my knees, to pound and rob me. I’d say this is more likely what the idiot who made the opening statement has experienced. Yes, it’s more complicated than that. The Redneck, getting over his suspicions would ride his wife and leave in disbelief that it actually is more complicated than that! So complicated he just got a free fuck while the idiot husband looked on.
If Bogans are offering their wife’s services it’s for cash, aka prostitution. I don’t need some sort of sexual psychological humiliation to add to my own current woes. As the song goes, “alienation’s for the rich and I’m feeling poorer every day.”
“Chaucer and Shakespeare characterized it as the ultimate shame. So perhaps it’s no surprise that today it’s developed into a fairly popular fetish.”
I think those two lines sum up so much that is wrong with modern society.
There is nothing high IQ about this. Its all about low self esteem and low self worth.
>The hilarity of this would be complete is if these losers found it erotic to actually want their wives to get pregnant and delight in raising children who weren’t his own.
Actually. that is part of the fetish, especially when the cuckolding male is black, and the wife is white. But, it doesn’t end there. In stories, at least, the end game is for the white husband to be castrated, so he will lose the last vestiges of caring about his wife’s infidelity and will happily devote himself to working his ass off to support her many bastards.
And I should add, thank you Ferdinand for bringing this problem out into the open. I’ve been intending to blog on such matters, but I didn’t want anyone to draw the wrong conclusion that my ventures into the pornographical hemisphere of the internet were for any other intentions than, ahem, academic purposes.
I’ve noticed in my, very intermittent studies, the slow creep of cuckoldry into otherwise straightforward matters. And on that note what is it with Gonzo porn that fellas find attractive? Whatever happened to a good storyline where I could superimpose my otherwise impoverished self esteem into a plot that goes something like “Yes, Mr Hannagan, Sorry Mr Hannagan. I messed up dictation but you were going so fast and the concepts were beyond my comprehension”. “That’s okay, now undress!” “Wha..what! Mr Hannagan please!” “Oh…Mr Hannagan!!!!!!”
If I’m gonna go all vicarious in my viewing, I certainly don’t want the vicariousness undone by some flaccid tool sitting in the corner (representing me) watching someone else, not me, banging my wife. Porn was superimposing yourself (vicarious act) as the stud doing the woman, which is why the bloke was reduced to a cock and the woman star and centre. These High IQ types are watching themselves, watching some other bloke doing the business on their wife – who represents all that is good, pure and dear to them. It’s self annihilation of the greatest magnitude. And it is a major insight into how elites view themselves in the world about them. No wonder society is self destructing.
But is “art” imitating life or is it the other way around? Both, I’d say, with the latter becoming more dominant as it always is with any of the modern visual arts. The medium is the message, as McLuhan said. Watching TV, movies, videos is passive and self annihilating in its nature. The medium is the message.
And another point, hopefully not distracting from my profound message here, what is it with gonzo porn women all being able to consume ever larger objects in any orifice with the delight and ease one would have in eating an ice cream? I mean, what’s the challenge?
I never really understood mates who loved those Bangkok tours where some poor slattern shot 10 ping pong balls out her snatch and then rode a donkey. Who wants to see that?
If these Gonzo porn women (who are obviously crack addicts who’ll be dead in a few years) are desirable then I don’t understand desire. The whole purpose of porn now seems to be to see how many objects someone can get up their arse without breaking into a sweat.
And close ups? What’s with all the close ups? You wouldn’t know what you’re watching half the time. Could be someone shucking an oyster with a broken rubber mallet for all you can tell.
It’s a sad, sad day when even porn itself has become degraded.
And I should add, this subject is beneath me and that you DISGUST me Ferdinand Bardamu!
“When it is time to shoot; shoot, don;t talk.”
David Alexander — next stop: Cucksville!
this guy definitely falls into j5/narciso’s second quadrant category.
This is highly maladaptive behavior! Kind of like the male equivalent of adopting some kid from sub-Saharan Africa, I suppose.
Remember, jerk-wads: What Would Darwin do? (WWDD?)
But really there’s probably no hope for a society capable of producing people like this.
Our best hope is that Muslims roll in and kill everyone before the contagion spreads.
If only they had done it before the American invention called television, and especially commercial television, spread the World would be in a much better place now.
(For everyone but us, what with the whole being dead and/or never having been born thing.)
“Our best hope is that Muslims roll in and kill everyone before the contagion spreads.”
This should say: “Our best hope is that Muslims roll in and kill everyone who like the people in this article clearly deserve it before the contagion spreads.”
The longer these people live, the more likely their Worldview and values, and extreme manifestation of Liberalism, spread an destroy the lives of innocent people.
Like a whore with a flesh eating strain of herpes, there’s arguably a need for some burying up to the neck and casting of rocks.
But of course we are so far away from Biblical/Koranic punishment norms that it isn’t even funny.
That’s why this kind of thing happens, of course.
Under Mosaic Law, though, the person at fault here is firstly the wife and secondly the cuckolder.
The thought of a husband going out of his way to have his wife cheat on him, unless he feared for his life, never would’ve entered the mind of anyone from ancient times.
Maybe this has to do partly with Feminists taking away from men with wives the ability to have anything vaguely resembling power in the relationship, other than implied personal physical power.
If you aren’t married you have the threat of leaving, but obviously no man is going to instigate a divorce with the court system how it is now.
It’s like deep down the weakling modern American husband thinks it’s inevitable that such emasculated fools as themselves will be cuckolded anyway, so they can’t take the suspense and so pull this sort of stunt.
So afraid of divorce that they put themselves through agony to show their worthless wives that said wives can have all the sex with strange men they want, and so why would they need to divorce them?
“…and if you killed these people YOU would be considered a criminal! amazing”
I have to admit, this was actually pretty funny.
The Left = Submission
The Right* = Domination
This cuckolding fetish is really just white and/or feminist guilt reaching its logical conclusion.
*Assuming that one assumes the very simple political dichotomy that the right represents fascists/nazi’s.
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‘Maybe this has to do partly with Feminists taking away from men with wives the ability to have anything vaguely resembling power in the relationship, other than implied personal physical power.’
That’s why civil society will collapse. When men have to choose between their manhood and being a law-abiding citizen, men will no longer choose to submit to the law.
It’s just a matter of time before the realisation that submission or domination is the only option for men in the West is disseminated to the masses from the underground.
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With this in mind, I’ve always thought that if “RACIST!” is the battlecry of the left at the right, then perhaps “CUCKOLD!” should be the battlecry of the right at the left.
The left accuse the right of trying to dominate and the right accuse the left of submitting.
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“The world itself is the will to power – and nothing else! And you yourself are the will to power – and nothing else!â€
The left lacks this will to power, and hence revel in cuckoldry and submission.
Intellectuals are semantics manipulators. Their sole purpose is to destroy all the definitions of language.
There is nothing intellectual about intellectuals. They have empty minds because they have emptied it of all definitions.
“Intellectuals are semantics manipulators. Their sole purpose is to destroy all the definitions of language.
There is nothing intellectual about intellectuals. They have empty minds because they have emptied it of all definitions.”
Nice. I do this to win arguments sometimes. What is the definition of “is”.
“Intellectuals are semantics manipulators. Their sole purpose is to destroy all the definitions of language.
There is nothing intellectual about intellectuals. They have empty minds because they have emptied it of all definitions.”
Adding to this, do you notice how there is no more right and wrong today. Everything is just your view and all truths are equally valid.
Arg! The left hand of the computer screen is not visible on your blog – don’t know why.
I have followed this fetish somewhat over the past years, and have even perused around some of its literature – btw, reading sites like Literotica are a great way to gauge the sexual mores of society. (More and more stories are appearing where male writers are ending their stories with ironic twists – like one story where a guy was asked to help impregnate his sister-in-law only for her to divorce her husband and sue him, the benevolent donor, for child-support after “helping†them.)
There seems to be two subsets to the cuckolding fetish – and one that is kind of a hybrid of the two.
First, there are the “cucks.†Guys like this retard who gets off on the psychological humiliation and S & M component of it all – and yes, some men DO get turned on by even having their wife get knocked up by other men. (And, btw, many alphas DO also get turned on by impregnating a cuckolded man’s wife… don’t have to go to the smut pages for that now, do we?) and the other half get turned on by making their wife into a “slut-wife†– where she is the one subjected to psychological humiliation and S & M by degrading herself via pulling a train with a group of her husband’s friends or whatnot, simply to please her husband.
Btw, most people who have tried swinging say that eventually it ALL ends up with the husband watching the wife screw other men, and rarely involves the man taking on multiple partners – that is where it begins, but swinging almost always ends, after a spell, with the devolvement of the husband watching the wife fuck other men.
And somewhere in between of humiliated cuck and degraded wife in this fucked up paradigm is a “normal†cuckold, as if there could be one. I would say a “normal†cuckold is “psychologically†turned on not so much by the sight of his wife’s infidelity, but of the unleashing of her immense sexual power – that same power which she hides from society, but utilizes behind every man’s back whom she gets involved with.
Ummm… why does game recommend to have girl number one and girl number two? Because gamers KNOW that girl number WILL cheat/flake/leave and girl number two is there simply to ease the pain until you can replace #1 with yet another pearl on the string… so… Alpha-gamers ALSO know they are going to be cuckolded – they are simply Boy-Scouts who came prepared with a back-up plan, that’s all.
But anyways, I suspect that the cuckolding fetish might derive from the same place as general pornography. Playboy-Penthouse porn isn’t doing it for us anymore since internet porn has arrived, and with such an availability of porn, people’s fetishes are also expanding along with it. At any rate, one of the things that is “sexy†about porn is the openness and willingness of the woman. (What is more open and inviting in a woman, after all, than being naked with spread legs, hiding nothing – when a woman is nude and “spreads†it is an open invitation for breeding – all the shit tests are over and THIS is what the man has been after since the beginning – her open sexuality).
So, I often suspect that what turns these husbands on so much is that they actually are “smart betas.†They understand, just like gamers, that deep down women are sex fiends and are merely hiding it. Perhaps they’ve been in a string of relationships which ended in them being cheated on – which is most likely the case – and they have begun to realize, like most “alphaâ€-gamers, that women are enormously horny and slutty, if given the opportunity – but that they only occasionally let this side of their nature reveal itself… usually when they are leaving their husband and are fucking the meth-dealer next door.
I think what the husbands truly desire is to watch their wives unleash the darkness of their sexuality, that many men suspect lurks beneath… that women deny lies beneath… but which paternity fraud (and 90% of failed relationships) reveal – every woman is somebody’s whore… if your wife isn’t yours, then whose whore is she? I think some of these men are simply seeking a confirmation of that sexuality in their wives. It is an emotional torture though, mixed with pleasure… who was that artist, I think Titian, but I can’t remember for sure, who painted the picture of the king who had his wives and concubines brought before him to be murdered – not because he hated them, but because he loved them, and he was so bored with life, that watching them be murdered evoked emotions of pain and loss, realizing how much he loved each one as he saw them defiled with death. Is intentionally being cuckolded much different?
Also, keep in mind that these men are acting as caricatures of women in our feminized society… and as we know, women are MORE turned on by her man screwing other chicks than turned off by it. Screwing lots of women makes you more desirable to other women, not less. So, is it any surprise that as men turn into women and women turn into men, that there are going to be men who are similarly turned on by their wives’ open sluttiness? It might be torture for them, just as I am sure that it is torture for a woman to have to compete for Alpha love with the rest of the herd, but this feature also intensifies their desire for the Alpha… I think the same phenomenon is at play with intentional cuckolding.
It’s all pretty fucked up though, and if a guy really became overwhelmed with this fetish, for fucks sakes, leave your wife/mother of your children out of it, and get a kinky/slutty mistress to indulge in these kinds of things with – for crying out loud!
Wives are for children and family while mistresses are for whoring and fetish seeking behaviours.
It’s a perversion like any other, and thus it’s a private business but what’s up with the intellectual angle? It’s like saying eating sh*t is a hobby for mensa members the stupid masses would never understand.
Insane.
It’s a tiny fetish. But it’s a much feared thing among no sex lower betas and omegas. Hence masochistic cuckold porn for guys like “us white guys are all doomed” Whiskey.
Why do I say tiny? Well cuckoldplace.com which comes up prominently in a google search boasts of being the world’s largest cuckold site, is free to members, and boasts of having 80k plus members. While catering to the whole western world with sub forums for most EU and anglosphere nations. Big wuuup.
Feminists seem to be latching onto this as something to being to try to promote around the edges.
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