In the comments to this post from two weeks ago, I mentioned that I was planning to write an essay on “why white nationalism is a doomed ideology.” Said essay will come along when I’m in the mood to hammer it out. Reading the comments to this post at Occidental Dissent made me realize that even if the philosophical issues with white nationalism were ironed out, the WNs would still be condemned to failure and obscurity, because rank-and-file WNs are disproportionately nerdy.* Why is this a bad thing? Normal people despise nerds, and for good reason. Nerds are repulsive human beings and a blight on civilization. Nerds worship everything evil and heap calumny on everything good. Nerdiness is a social cancer to be fought in all its forms.
You may have read the above paragraph and think I’m off my rocker, or at the least I’m being too extreme. Well, to paraphrase Barry Goldwater, extremism in the defense of normalcy is no vice, and moderation in the pursuit of tolerating the intolerable is no virtue. You must keep in mind that nerdiness as I describe it is not a lifestyle or a superficial attribute, but a way of thinking and looking at the world. And nerdiness is a way of thinking that is destructive, for the following reasons:
Nerds can’t understand nuance. Nerds live in a world where everything is either/or. If you’re not with them, you’re with their enemies. If you aren’t complimenting them, you’re insulting them. In situations that run afoul of their Manichean programming (which happen constantly), nerds clam up and become disconcertingly defensive. As I wrote in January:
This is a trait shared by nerds, geeks, dorks, and all manner of social misfits and outcasts – extreme defensiveness. The nerd, being regularly picked on by his peers, eventually learns to respond to every slight by raising his fur, baring his claws, and hissing. His social intelligence is so poor that he’s incapable of distinguishing between true attacks on his character and innocuous comments, bringing the hammer down whenever he perceives his honor to be assaulted. When normal guys are in a friendly social setting, the default mode is to insult and put each other down, but nothing is meant by it – in fact, you could consider it a form of bonding. The nerd can’t handle these environments, responding to friendly jabs from others with a “fuck you†or something equally offensive, bringing a nuclear bomb to a pillowfight. Part of effective masculinity – hell, part of being a social creature in general is learning to relax, know when to fight, and know when to let things go. The nerd, social retard that he is, can’t grasp these nuances of human communication.
Nerds are also ignorant of context and take everything literally. It’s impossible for them to tell if someone is being totally facetious or even partly facetious unless it is specifically spelled out for them. This tunnel vision makes talking to them needlessly painful because they will always, to some degree, be misinterpreting what you’re saying. Udolpho further explains the nerd’s problems with communicating:
Whereas the introduction from which I quoted asserts that geeks are inventive in their use of language – a very strange assertion – my experience has been that the best you can expect from one of their ilk is slavish adherence to partially absorbed rules. In the worst cases they exhibit outright antipathy for expressive language. Creativity is out of the question, and what you most often get is a retarded patois of computer references which bespeak not cleverness but a very confined lifestyle. For the geek, language is a finite array of words and phrases lifted from lowbrow entertainment and repeated, parrot-like, with the same primitive design as that of avian chirps and squawks. Many of the geek’s attempts at communication seem merely to serve the purpose of announcing his physical proximity, or are otherwise unanswerable.
Nerds are obsessive. Whenever the nerd encounters an activity that he enjoys, he plunges into it with aplomb, spending time doing it to the exclusion of everything else, from working to bathing to having a life. This pastime is usually something geeky and stupid, but it can be anything they choose. For example, one of the legacies of the seduction community’s nerdy origins is the excessive amount of time they advocate spending working your game out on the town. They substitute playing World of WarCraft for four hours a night with chasing tail for four hours a night, but the same pathology is present. The reason why many PUAs and seduction gurus can’t keep girlfriends is because their obsession with sarging impedes their ability to improve other social skills with women.
Nerds are herd conformists. The claim that nerds are iconoclastic free thinkers is a lie so huge and magnificent that Goebbels himself would be aghast at its pervasiveness. A nerd’s willingness to buck the status quo is limited to which club of pariahs he joins to escape the harshness of the real world. Once safely ensconced in his chosen clique, a nerd becomes slavishly devoted to upholding the myths and pretty lies of his overlords, no matter how stupid they may be. Dissent is only permissible within a narrow Chomsky-esque range – leave it, and not only will the nerds throw you under the bus, they’ll back over your body repeatedly to make sure you’re dead.
Because nerds are incapable of thinking beyond their self-imposed mental ghettos, debating with them is an exercise in frustrating futility. Nerds reflexively use semantic stopsigns and thought-terminating cliches to combat their opponents while short-circuiting their own already limited capacity for critical reasoning. And nerds are pack animals at heart – if a nerd appears to be at risk of having his mental defenses penetrated, his comrades will swarm upon the offender and spew more nonsense in an attempt to get him/her to quit out of frustration. They then declare “victory” and go back to their regularly scheduled circle jerk.
Nerds are lazy and cowardly. While they diligently waste their time with their chosen hobbies, be they anime, cosplay, or collecting comic books, nerds are deathly allergic to everything outside of their comfort zone, which is so small it might as well be a solid dot. Nerds won’t take risks or go the extra mile, and as a result live lives of quiet mediocrity in which they never accomplish anything.
For example, the average nerd’s fantasy woman behaves like a sex-starved player in her dealings with men. She is violent, vulgar, boorish, and ball-breaking. In other words, she is Lara Croft. The most obnoxious grrlpower stereotypes in the media are found in nerd-targeted media for a reason. Because most nerds refuse to do the legwork necessary to seduce women, they fantasize about beautiful girls who will fall into their lap and do all the hard work for them. This is part of the reason why most nerds rarely get any action.
Nerds are manginas. Keeping in theme with the previous paragraph, a man whose ideal woman is basically a dude with breasts and a vagina is a man who will likely allow women in general to walk all over him. Afraid of confrontation and used to bowing and scraping, nerds place themselves at the mercy of women in the vain hope of getting laid. Also, male feminists are overwhelmingly nerds – see pansies like Hugo Schwyzer and Barry “Ampersand” Deutsch. I’ll quote myself again on those most loathsome of creatures:
It’s easy to despise feminists like Ampersand as traitors to the male cause. However, my intimate knowledge of the male feminist mindset prevents me from feeling anything but a mixture of pity and disgust for these men. Without exception, every feminist guy I’ve met has been a contemptible pile of puke. All of them were lesser betas whom normal women would regard as repellent and repulsive, and each and every one of them became feminists primarily as a way to get laid. That’s right – they think kvetching about the evils of the patriarchy and attending Take Back the Night rallies will get women wet. Of course, it doesn’t work – feminist women are still women, and negging, takeaways, and other game tactics work as well on them as they do on any other girl. Even worse, throwing yourself into the service of a cause designed specifically to disenfranchise and dis-empower men is the ultimate in supplication…
It’s worth noting that nerdiness is largely unique to the male of the species. Having hung out with and dated nerdettes, I can say that there is no female nerd on Earth who can match her male counterpart in social tone-deafness.
Nerds aren’t cool. Nerds are rationalistic to a fault, and are rabidly opposed to anything beautiful, attractive, or otherwise representative of good taste. As Udolpho writes:
Where the geek becomes truly disturbing is in matters of visual aesthetics. His personal appearance, of course, is often weird, repellent, unnerving. When allowed to dress himself the results betray a lack of understanding of his own appearance. Is he fat, bald, dough-faced? You can bet that these qualities will be horrifically exaggerated by his choices in grooming and apparel.
His preferred decor is that of cheap crap – plastic computer cases in the shape of dragon heads, garish poster illustrations of fantasy settings, mismatched discount furniture, etc. It has the same make-do tackiness that is imposed on teenagers still living at home or people earning the minimum wage. But the geek never gives it up; if he makes a comfortable living, he just buys a nicer place in the suburbs and crams all his cheap crap into it.
Because nerds reject aesthetics and coolness, nerd-led groups, ideologies, and movements never expand beyond the non-nerdy part of the population. As I wrote at Game in BK’s blog a few days ago, content is king and marketing is queen. How you sell your message is just as important as what your message is. Being right on everything is meaningless if no one can bear to be around you. Women in particular demand coolness and social savvy and will not tolerate anyone or anything that doesn’t have either. This is why, for instance, talented “misogynistic” bloggers like Roissy and Welmer have tons of female fans while the mere handful of women who frequent WN blogs are all frothing-at-the-mouth lunatics like Denise Barber and Annie Oakley.
There ARE women out there who claim to prefer nerdy men. Don’t be fooled – when these girls think of nerds, they envision perfectly normal guys whose “nerdiness” is limited to wearing glasses or watching Star Trek reruns. Matt Savage elaborates:
When a girl says she likes nerdy nice guys, what she really means is a guy with some minor nerd like characteristics yet has his shit together. For example, perhaps he plays a lot video games or tinkers with computers, but he’s also a decent looking guy who cleans up well. He could also be a really good provider and a down to earth family man, just the right type of guy that women will go for after slutting themselves out in their early twenties. There’s a reason that nice guys finish last, it’s because they’re the safe bet when the biological time bomb starts ticking, so long as he doesn’t dress like Tron.
Women who like genuine nerds are as representative of the female population as fat fetishists are of men. The average girl finds nerdiness as appealing as rape.
Throughout history, the physical beatdowns and social shaming of their peers taught nerds to normalize their behavior well before adulthood. There’s no better way to learn that picking your nose in class isn’t apropos then everyone around you calling you a disgusting loser. Because young children haven’t yet been indoctrinated with the social mores and “anti-judgmental” and “tolerant” propaganda of adults, they are utterly shameless and ruthless about ostracizing nerds from the herd. Unfortunately, the rise of anti-bullying programs, zero-tolerance policies for such things as bringing anything resembling a gun onto school property, and a culture of encouraging kids to run crying to their teachers, principals, or parents whenever they get their poor widdle feewings hurt have allowed nerdiness to grow out of control.
I say, as a normal guy who is sick to death of nerds, that enough is enough. I’m with Martin Regnen on this:
My proposed solution is to mock and humiliate nerds at every opportunity. By relentlessly picking on nerds we can stigmatize the overuse of abstract reasoning for situations where it doesn’t work well. If we do this enough, the perceived worth of reasoning powers will decline and the status of common sense will rise. At some point even really smart people will be less ashamed to follow what little common sense instincts they have instead of suppressing them with brainpower. There’s no risk that the elites will fight back, either – no one likes nerds except for other nerds, after all, so no one will rise to their defense.
It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more. We guys can give them wedgies and swirlies, and you gals can wound their souls with cruel, cutting remarks about their fashion sense, hygiene and overall creepiness. The future of the world depends on your willingness to break the hearts and spirits of the socially retarded. Are you game?
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*In defense of white nationalists, the more well-known and influential of them come off as more or less normal. Contrast this with libertarianism, where weirdos like Lew Rockwell and Eric Margolis rule the roost.
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I think you are painting with a wide brush here. Many of these are reactions to extremely serious bullying against **normal** kids or kids trying to be normal that, in adults, would be literally called sociopathic behavior. The problem is that we need a real anti-bullying program: let the victim beat the ever lovin shit out of the bully in front of the entire school.
[Bingo. - ed.]
This language is far too strong. It is appealing to make statements like this, generalization in tongue and cheek is always fun, and it is amusing, but it’s also not true. I don’t like world of Warcraft, but I would consider myself a nerd, and I’m a girl. When I was younger I did have a lot of trouble socially, and I think that it’s true that I’m a little more sensitive than others now because of it.
[There's no such thing as a female nerd. As I mentioned in the post, the personality traits of nerdiness only manifest themselves to the extreme in men. Consider yourself exempt. - ed.]
But I think many nerds contribute really important things to society, not even mentioning all the computer nerds that helped create lots of the softwear, etc. Not even mentioning that if you want to correct someone’s behavior the best way to do it isn’t through negative reinforcement, but through simply ignoring the “bad” behavior and praising the good.
[Tell it to the monkeys in the cage with the fire hose.]
Unfortunately because of capatalism this will never happen. It would be rediculous for society to try and destroy the market which is “nerds”. Also don’t underestimate nerd’s ability to fight back. After years of teasing for being the “hermione granger” type in class (yes I’m aware that this reference just illustrates my nerd-dom) I punched a guy.
[The minute you grow a spine is the minute you begin the journey away from nerdiness.]
I agree with what you’re saying about how awful nerds are, but I think it’s better to reward a nerd who takes some cautious, tentative steps away from his nerdiness. Let him see that there’s a better life on the other side.
I’ll have to disagree, Ferdinand. Nerds are the most prepared to perform intellectually demanding and/or boring/repetitive jobs like computer programming, engineering, accounting, data recording, managerial tasks etc. that are necessary for upholding a complex and advanced society. We cannot have a technologically advanced civilization without nerds. A society where everybody is cool, hip laid-back and savvy cannot possibly exist and there are subjects in this world that most people will simply never find to be cool (advanced economics and math etc.)
[Where is it written that social savvy and technological talent are incompatible? - ed.]
“It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more. We guys can give them wedgies and swirlies, and you gals can wound their souls with cruel, cutting remarks about their fashion sense, hygiene and overall creepiness. The future of the world depends on your willingness to break the hearts and spirits of the socially retarded. Are you game?”
Pekka-Eric Auvinen
Matti Juhani Saari
[Not all social outcasts are nerds. Try again. - ed.]
Nerds are manginas.
Eh, not so sure about this one. Sure lots of manginas are nerds, but that doesn’t mean most nerds are manginas. Most of the guys in MRA/MGTOW circles seem to be nerds. And lots of nerds I have known have had some pretty crude views of women.
Congratulations, you’ve just described the existence of the average male office worker…
“And lots of nerds I have known have had some pretty crude views of women.”
Most nerds I know are like that as well. But I’m from Eastern Europe so the nerd culture – if you can call it that – may be totally different overseas. In fact, I’d say nerds are overrepresented among misogynists due to their poor social skills and inability to empathize with women.
Hey, I’m a nerd damn it!
But waking up to smell the coffee, swallowing the bitter-sweet red pill and learning Game changed all that.
I’m with you until you say it’s justified to hate nerds.
Would you really rather live in a world without nerds than in one with nerds? I think not. Most of the good stuff in the world started with a nerd.
[Nerdiness is not a prerequisite for being intelligent or creative. - ed.]
Would you even rather live in a city without nerds than one with nerds? I think not again. I’d take Seattle over Jackson, MS any day.
[I'd take New York City or Montreal over both.]
Nobody likes nerds. They have their faults. But, all things considered, I think they’re underrated.
The Dog from Hell has a point here. I live in the EE, Romania to be more precise, and most nerds that I know despise women and treat them with indifference. Sure they are still socially retarded but atleast they don’t bend over at the whims of a girl. But hey, the Balcans are a land of experimentation, here feminism has a quiet truce with what I call “old-school female manipulation”. If a girl catches a sucker and marries at 18, the majority will not shame her. Likewise, everybody seems to not care about the hordes of 30 something soulless whores who wander the capital’s streets.
We are a culture of indifference in the EE. The X generation (born after 1980, near the fall of communism) has eaten the whole propaganda biscuit from the west, except for the “racism meme”. Men here are weak, they fight each other at every chance, they can’t cooperate and are isolated.
When I was a kid, I was told, by tough, practical people, that the reason I had trouble running was because I wasn’t “fit”. My parents refused to accept that I had asthma, because ONE doctor has said I didn’t, ONCE. Oddly enough, I discovered that I could run for four to five times as long up and down stairs with a pack of weights on my back at home than I could run on flat ground with no weights outside.
This was the point where I realized the tough, practical people who imagined they were somehow sane were just stupid, mean thugs.
I have no idea where the F* you got the idea the of “tolerance” in school. I have to assume it is because you are a stupid, mean thug.
[Would you like Swiss or Provolone with that whine? - ed.]
Ah… so you liked my comment.
I wonder if Welmer realizes that (of course Roissy does), and was just pretending not to? He’s sort of cool and slick that way. He’s toyed with me like that, and I think he gets a kick out of skirting around glaringly obvious things, and waiting to see if anyone else will point them out.
At any rate, I realized that immediately because of some incidents I experienced over at my own blog. At first, they didn’t make any sense, but when you realize that women are attracted to men that treat them like slightly inferior beings, it all comes clear. You want a man you consider better than you, not an equal. You want someone you can look up to and follow. How can you look up to your equal? He’s next to you, not above you.
Women don’t like true misogyny (men who truly hate women), but they get turned on by patriarchy. There’s a reason that patriarchy came to be, after all. It was selected for because chicks digg it. Both Welmer and Roissy have strong patriarchal urges, just flavored differently and colored by their own personal prejudices and moral leanings. The great frustration among young women today are that there are too many PUAs and manginas, and not enough Welmers. The mirror of the frustrations that many young men have. I guess the populations deserve each other.
[It's not just that. The patriarchal urges have to be carried out by a man who is suave and seductive. That's why white nationalist blogs are all sausage parties despite being patriarchal. They need game, and they need it badly. - ed.]
There ARE women out there who claim to prefer nerdy men. Don’t be fooled – when these girls think of nerds, they envision perfectly normal guys whose “nerdiness†is limited to wearing glasses or watching Star Trek reruns.
That’s true. I describe my husband as a nerd or geek, a lot. But what I mean is that he’s a really talented engineer who likes doing science projects with the kids. He’s also a bit of an arrogant jock who says truly chauvinistic stuff on a regular basis. The balance is very attractive, and is the secret to nerdy sexiness. Welmer’s recent article calling his ex-wife “the baby mamma” was a prime example. It was a bit of a put-down, but cute somehow.
That’s like a recent moment in my own house. My husband was working on some schematics and I was distracting him with the usual chatter. I mentioned that we were discussing how many women get turned on by depictions of sexual violence (he just snorted and didn’t look up). Than I noted that some feminists say that “All men are potential rapists.” He gave me a cool look, then a smirk, and said, “In other words, that saying isn’t an accusation. It’s just wishful thinking.”
But he’s sort of nerdy too. In a sexy, macho, bossy, slightly scary, hard-assed kind of way. And he’s living proof that it’s possible to be very patriarchal and good at engineering. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
Sorry, I’m rambling again.
As someone who have it’s fair share of nerdiness in it’s life, there’s two things that really turned me off:
*Being proud of memrizing pop culture references. Talking about useless.
*Being a self-entitled little fuck who believes in it’s own superiority above all else.
Common in any online game.
Both always made me think: What kind of No-Child-Left-Behind classroom gave birth to you?
That said, I’m far from perfect. But I have found that social retardation is caused for not knowing how to listen. The lack of true interest of listening another human being can only come for being happy and cozy in your own little bubble.
Whatever, Ferdinand. You know that Capt Pickard is cooler than Capt Kirk!
[Win. - ed.]
Perhaps you should write a chick-speak dictionary, FB. I’ll provide some starting entries:
nerd = More intelligent than me, and good at visual-spatial stuff I don’t understand
cute = Has a dry wit, or cocky sense of humor. Playful and confident.
nice = Grosses me out and gives me the creeps with his slimy and supplicating behavior. Immediate LJBF or (for the worst cases) a total avoid.
asshole = Sexy arrogant bastard whose chauvinistic comments make me giggle, and feel superior to the other women who aren’t currently basking in his attention.
good = Doesn’t put up with crap from anyone, including myself. Has minimum standards he holds those around him to, and isn’t afraid to call people out when they cross them. Doesn’t lie, flake, cheat, slime, or weedle.
bad = Doesn’t care about anyone but himself; a true narcissist. Has no standards and is a total hedonist. May still be sexy, but bad-and-sexy will be valued lower than good-and-sexy by most women with any sense of self-preservation.
You know that Capt Pickard is cooler than Capt Kirk!
That’s because Cpt Kirk is a skirt-chasing goofball, while Pickard has a bald head and a stern gaze.
Of course.
Surely somebody who blogs about obscure video games every Friday has to have had some nerdish influences in his life.
[Part of the reason why I have no sympathy for nerds. - ed.]
The problem is when nerds aren’t actually intelligent. After all, if they’re so smart, why don’t they date cheerleaders– intelligence isn’t about rubiks cubes, it’s about leveraging your thoughts to realize your desires.
There are intelligent nerds, and they’re generally pretty cool. These are the people who have scraggly hair cuz they dont give a fuck, not cuz they’re socially clueless. They’re also generally the ones who make meaningful contributions to civilization, while the non-intelligent nerds memorize digits of pi and recite Monty Python at each other…
I’ll plug a couple relevant articles I wrote a few years ago:
http://www.xamuel.com/is-society-biased-against-smart-people/ (where I argue that it’s *impossible* to be biased against intelligence, simply because it’s impossible to *detect* intelligence at a glance, unlike nerdiness, which is therefore necessarily a completely different animal)
http://www.xamuel.com/using-words-effectively/ (where I point out that bigger vocabulary words aren’t the measure of intelligence; the measure of intelligence is getting your way, and if bigger vocabulary words cause you to be shunned and outcast, then they’re the exact opposite of intelligent)
Pretty brutal. Mostly true, moral and ethical aspects aside.
I would make a distinction- nerds have a choice, but geeks don’t. In any case nobody really wants to be a weirdo, and it’s pretty hard to stop being even if you put a lot of effort into it. Believe I’ve tried.
A higher status man would have little interaction with nerds anyway, and if he did, if he was smart he would find a way to make use of them.
Purveyors of “game” products overstate their prior nerdiness in an attempt to make their products look better and more effective-
http://gameforomegas.wordpress.com/2009/11/27/my-criticism-of-the-practitioners/
Let’s get some terminology straight here.
Nerds are largely what FB described here.
Geeks are mostly normal men with nerdish tendencies.
As a rule of thumb, if you think the guy is probably just a normal guy until he opens his mouth and tells you what he does for a living and/or fun, he’s a geek.
I’m a geek and even I don’t generally like nerds. Most of the time, once they get past high school, they become jackasses if they get any authority. The worst professor I had in college was the spittin image of a nerd.
I’ll also add that geeks are probably the ones most necessary for society being able to stay the way it is. If nerds had their way, we’d probably be using some obscure research operating system as the main platform for computing and computers would still be corporate toys. Companies like Apple and Be are absolutely the product of a fusion of nerdiness with normal (or even high) aesthetics. You can make a product like OS X or BeOS without having a deep appreciation for beauty that nerds tend to lack in spades ;)
***can’t make
On a somewhat related note, in my experience, the main problem that geeky men have with women are that their parents tend to be the sort that raise their kids with every White Knight ideal. I know my parents sure as heck did. It took some unlearning through hard knocks with women to change that.
“Surely somebody who blogs about obscure video games every Friday has to have had some nerdish influences in his life.”
He got you Ferdinand. He got you.
Ferd why do you associate with WN blogs like occidental? Do you really believe “whites have a better ability to plan out for the future than other races do” ? What kinda bullshit is that?
[I find their views interesting and worth paying attention to, even if I disagree with them on many things (like your quote). Unlike nerds, I don't have to agree with someone 100% to recognize that they have something valuable to contribute. - ed.]
Another thing: nerds are piss-on-your-parade negative. You can tell one that you installed a sweet sound system in your car all by yourself, and instead of saying “that’s cool!” he’ll say “great — so you tricked ot a Hyundai.”
The whole concept of “white nationalist” should eventually converge with its synonym, “normal person” because unlike any other ideology, WN is an orientation shared, IN PRACTICE, by virtually 100% of whites. As is the case with other races and their respective orientations.
[I'm not talking about "defacto" racial nationalism, but organized ideologies and groups. They are overwhelmingly stocked with misfits and rejects who insist on dragging everyone down to their level. Read the OD thread I linked to see what I mean. - ed.]
Picture an analogous hypothetical situation: by law and institutional pressure, a non-trivial percentage of newborns in hospitals are to be shuffled randomly among different parents, rather than giving each mother her own baby. There are liberal principles undergirding this practice of “baby-shuffling,” and those principles are not questioned by anyone but loser extremists. This practice affects poorer parents more than it does rich ones, so all familes are in a costly, status-jockey scramble to deliver babies where baby-shuffling occurs less frequently.
There will be some conservatives who, in very timid and circumspect ways, argue against the practice of baby-shuffling, but should they be too explicit about condeminn it. they are branded “familist” and effectively expelled from respectabiity.
Now, there is a fringe of intellectuals with a yahooish following among some, who utterly reject baby-shuffling, and believe that every mother shoudl have the right to be handed her own baby post-partum. They call themselves “family-absolutists.”
But to us, who are not living in this hypothetical world, a “family-absolutist” is kind of the same as “normal person.”
“The whole concept of “white nationalist†should eventually converge with its synonym, “normal person†because unlike any other ideology, WN is an orientation shared, IN PRACTICE, by virtually 100% of whites.”
Hahahahahhaa
Mike, I like the distinction made between nerds and geeks. So I guess my husband is a geek. Nothing about him gives away his “nerdish tendencies” unless he specifically mentions them in conversation. Actually, he’s probably a thug with nerdish tendencies. Does that make him a “theek” or a “gug”?
PA’s right about the negativity. And nerds love Schadenfreude. A geeky guy is more generous with his help, and good advice. They have more leadership abilities that way. A nerdy guy just waits for someone to mess up and then laughs about it, like an underling.
I have to assume it is because you are a stupid, mean thug.
Classic nerddom. Always attack someone’s intelligence and character if you don’t like what they’re saying. Nerdy chicks do this to me all of the time. I should have a shirt with the words I’m a stupid, mean, backward, misogynistic bitch. printed on the front, in order to save them the trouble. Then I could put Tell your boyfriend to stop checking out my ass. on the back, and really piss them off.
Comment_Whatever,
You make “thug” sound like an insult.
:-)
Mr. Bardamu,
This was an excellent article. While I do not agree with the conclusion that WN is doomed to failure, the points are cogent and correct. There is awareness of this in the “white advocate” community, and recently Alex Kurtagic has been addressing this. See his article here: http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Kurtagic-Fundraiser.html If I understand your argument correctly, you are making the point that people are not so much attracted to correct positions but positions linked with social status. This is the kind of thinking that everyone who has a knowledge of Game understands.
You do not touch upon why WN attracts so many nerds and, in general, persons of questionable social status. The liberal answer to this is that only persons with psychological pathologies could be illiberal, but the true answer is one that students of Game will grasp.
In any society, there exists a broad social consensus. The breadth of the consensus varies based on the size and relative homogeneity of the society (e.g. Sweden has a narrower consensus than the USA), but it exists none the less. All societies also maintain taboos which set the limits of debate. William F. Buckley called this the dominant structure of taboos, and most positions of WN are outside of respectable thinking.
You touch upon the utility of bullying and ostracism in combating nerd-dom. In addition to raising social intelligence, social pressure and in particular ostracism is the standard path in which society enforces its prejudices on people. Now, what sort of person is generally attracted to positions outside of the mainstream? If you answered “nerds”, you’d be partly correct. The more in depth answer is that it is people who are, for whatever reason, highly dissatisfied with the status quo and their station in life. They need not be nerds or even low in social station–typically most revolutions are led by social classes that have been recently empowered by the old guard but have not achieved identical social status.
[The crucial difference between nerds and other outcasts is that nerds have no desire for social change, but live to be pariahs. They join fringe groups for no other reason then that they are on the fringe. What the group espouses is more or less irrelevant - it could be white nationalism, Austrian economics, or furries for all the nerds care. These are the same people who violently resist any efforts to make the group mainstream and bring it into a position of power and influence. Think of hipsters who reject bands when they cease being obscure and become popular among non-hipsters, and you have the nerd attitude in a nutshell.
The OD post I linked is a prime example of nerdiness in the white nationalist community. Kievsky wrote a post on the significance of Roissy and game to white nationalism, and the usual suspects pounced on him with their tired accusations of "degeneracy" and other code-words they use to keep themselves from thinking critically. In their rejection of coolness, they contribute to their continued marginalization. - ed.]
The sort of persons who are not motivated by social status and acceptability are usually dysfunctional and odd in some way. This is not restricted to WN, but describes the members of most extremist movements. The reverse applies as well. Most SWPLs are less concerned with the content of their ideology and more concerned with the social status their ideology carries. This is why liberals are constantly smearing the right as being populated by rednecks and racists–groups which both traditionally carry low social status.
Now you might be wondering why I said that WN is not doomed to failure when it is so clear that it is linked with low status. The reason it is not doomed to failure, far beyond usual “breaking point” theses–returns to social status. Just as recently empowered classes thirst for higher social status, recently disempowered social classes thirst for the status quo ante. Now, what group is becoming significantly disempowered? Here in the Game-o-sphere we all know the answer: white heterosexual men.
White heterosexual men represent the most formidable (potential) bloc in society. We largely make society work, and society will not function without us. Occasionally one sees flashes of rebellion, such as in 1994, but thus far the tipping point has not been reached. Too many white men of higher social status are still doing well. As demographic and political warfare intensifies against us however, white heterosexual men even of higher status will begin to be ousted from their perches. Initially the response will likely be more appeasement, but as it becomes clear that appeasement does not lead to a return of status white heterosexual men will increasingly withdraw from mainstream society. When this happens, the situation will turn around very rapidly. The movement will then be led by dispossessed alphas, and not by nerdy betas who crumble at the first ‘gina crumbs that fall off the table.
[White racial consciousness will certainly increase in the coming years, but this won't automatically translate into support for organized white nationalist groups. It depends on whether the leaders of the movement can get their act together. I hope they do, but I have my doubts.]
Re: Nerds. The problem is that nerds don’t have fathers who teach them how to be socialized young men and boys. Lack of bullying is not a problem, all bullying does is cement mangina tendencies, White Knight-ism, and utter nerdiness.
Nerds are just White Males with higher IQs, more tendencies to abstraction, without any social structure to control and mitigate these tendencies. It’s the flip side of female hypergamy unrestrained.
Nerdiness can be mitigated by requiring teamwork with non-nerd men, with both positive and negative feedback loops. Nerds lack any aesthetic because they are ultra-male, as much as the hypergamous Alpha chaser is ultra female. The one lacks any aesthetic sense of proportion, the other even a smidgen of logic in nothing but a sea of feelings.
“White Nationalism” is already upon us. Its face is Sarah Palin, or Jan Brewer. Solid, sensible middle aged women with investments in society that can go poof! in an America turned into Cuidad Juarez. THEY are the common-sense, emotionally relatable, non-threatening, and social hot buttons of political discourse. These folks don’t want a doctrine of racial superiority, merely the demographic mix of say, 1960.
Look at the fury Palin generates among women: Tina Fey, Margaret Cho, Whoopi Goldberg, Joy Behar, Sarah Silverman, all hate her with a passion, because she is a massive threat.
Another thing: nerds are piss-on-your-parade negative.
Which is rather interesting given that my mother routinely notes that I tend to do that in an attempt to look for the negative in everything.
A nerdy guy just waits for someone to mess up and then laughs about it, like an underling.
It’s our way of feeling better about ourselves vis à vis others. When you’re a nerd who has nothing to show for in his life, there’s always that greater willingness to drag others down and watch them fail. In my case when I do that, I’ll end up having the guilt trip engage a penalty stop, and I’ll feel bad about being so mean while wondering if God will punish me. Other nerds don’t have that controlling factor.
On nerds
The rise nerd-dom is also a topic that should be addressed. I don’t have the hard numbers to back this, but it seems to be that there are dramatically more nerds than there once was. This has been noticeable in my relatively short lifetime (born 1985), but becomes more clear when looking on history. For an example, compare many of the engineers of the past with the engineers of today. Do people consider Henry Ford or Werner von Braun to be antisocial nerds the way Bill Gates or Eric Schmidt are perceived to be? Of course not.
But before we can explain the increase in nerds, we must first define the nerd. Many people think that nerds are simply technologically-oriented intellectuals. This is not the case. Nerd-dom is defined by three attributes, ranked in descending order of importance:
1. Low social intelligence
2. Low testosterone (compare the chins of Bill Gates, nerd, and Steve Ballmer, jock)
3. Intelligence, or at least the emphasis of intelligence as a core component of personal identity
It is very important to remember that a nerd is principally defined by his low social intelligence, effeminacy, and emphasis on intellectualism. After all, the society of the past was significantly more focused on technological achievement but significantly less nerdy. Outside of this socially-oriented definition of the nerd, it becomes impossible to reconcile an decreasingly advanced techno-industrial complex with the increase in nerd-dom.
Now, why has nerd-dom increased? Mr. Bardamu’s post advanced the hypothesis that a decline in bullying and imposition of feminism are responsible. This is partly true, but does not explain the entire story. I think the following factors are to blame. They are presented in no particular order.
1. Industrial pollutants causing endocrinal systems to alter their production of hormones.
This case has not yet been proven, but a lot of evidence is mounting up. It’s now widely known that girls are entering puberty earlier, and not just because so many are fat. It has also been shown that men have more effeminate craniofacial morphology than in the past, which is also anecdotally obvious by comparing photos of soldiers from WW2 to today’s 20 year old “men”. It would be interesting to see a study which compared index finger lengths, an indicator of prenatal testosterone reception, to the past. Male sperm counts are only 35% of what they were in the 1930s. Endocrinal changes are also a highly convincing explanation for the emergence of exclusive male homosexuality. Other weird things have cropped up, such as a community in Thunder Bay, Canada (heart of Canada’s chemical industry) where girls outnumber boys five to one.
Add all this together, and you’re going to get more effeminate men, which in turn will spawn more nerds, betas, homosexuals, etc.
2. The decline of all-male environments
What do men do when chicks are around? Compete with each other to score. Research has also shown that male intelligence declines in the presence of attractive women, perhaps because the exercise of intelligence inhibits social intelligence to a certain extent. Overthinking is not compatible with intuition.
In the past, men with mathematical and technical ability were highly likely to become engineers, scientists, and various other technical professionals. There was not a nerd-bias in these professions. Who enters these fields today? Nerds. Why? Because they cannot relate to women, they tend to avoid them. This allows them to devote more energy to intellectually demanding pursuits. This in turn increases the share of economic wealth controlled by nerds, which spawns demand for nerd-oriented culture as well as increasing the demand for nerds.
If we had more male-only schools, clubs, and workplaces, there would no longer be a sociosexual penalty for engaging in intellectually demanding work. Masculine men would displace many nerds from such professions, as their higher aggression would result in them outcompeting the beta-nerds. A lot of nerds, who aren’t really as smart as they think they are, would probably be relegated to female-dominated professions and low-intensity bookish professions (e.g. librarians). This would reduce the share of the economy controlled by nerds and the rewards of being a nerd, thus nerd-dom would decline as people pursued other avenues of success.
3. New Economy balderdash
I don’t think this needs much explaining. The gross misallocation of investment capital to dot coms in the 90s and quant-oriented finance in the 00s increased the rewards and demands for nerd-dom in much the same way the decline of all-male activities had. Furthermore, the very real success achieved by a select number of nerds along with attendant media fame increased the perceived social status of nerd-dom, helping motivate more people to become nerds.
Meanwhile the decline of the real economy embodied in industrial production (attention orthodox economists: fuck off, not all economic activities are equal in value–learn to understand the concepts of VALUE ADD and INCREASING returns to scale) has decreased the economic rewards for masculinity, with the attendant knock-on affects throughout society including in social status.
4. Feminism
Needs zero elaboration on this site.
5. Therapy/victim culture
Stems from a combination of feminism and anti-racism, and manifests itself in a way Mr. Bardamu already addressed.
I feel like I should elaborate more, but fuck it. I’m not a nerd and have work to do.
The nerd pic is interesting to me….it looks to be a model dressed up in nerd-gear, a caricature and not the real thing. It’s as if an image of a real nerd is too horrible to bear.
Add all this together, and you’re going to get more effeminate men, which in turn will spawn more nerds, betas, homosexuals, etc.
Couldn’t that be equally-well explained by simply sexual selection? Alphas have more sex, but betas are more likely to get married and reproduce.
We just found out that in the town where my husband grew up, girls now outnumber boys in the first grade class 3:1.
The decline of all-male environments
That’s a good point. My husband has lived most of his life in male-majority environments. Many American men grow up basically steeped in estrogen.
Masculine men would displace many nerds from such professions, as their higher aggression would result in them outcompeting the beta-nerds.
That’s true. Anytime a more masculine man gets in among the nerds, he’s immediately nominated as leader. I used to work in software engineering, and the team leaders and project leaders where always the coolest/sexiest guys.
Because most nerds refuse to do the legwork necessary to seduce women, they fantasize about beautiful girls who will fall into their lap and do all the hard work for them. This is part of the reason why most nerds rarely get any action.
Well, admittedly make sense. Why do all the work for a half-assed girl in the real world when you can hold out for a magical dream girl and let her do all the work?
[Because your hand will all you will have to comfort yourself in the end. - ed.]
Afraid of confrontation and used to bowing and scraping
That’s because there’s a 100% chance of getting our ass kicked and facing severe injuries.
[Getting your ass kicked is part of life. Take your lumps and come back stronger.]
they think kvetching about the evils of the patriarchy
To a loose extent, the patriarchy is composed of all of the jocks that they hate, so nerds will see women fighting against them as natural allies. The feminists, OTOH, are not the desired sexual playmates of the nerds as they lack the physical component to attract them.
Throughout history, the physical beatdowns and social shaming of their peers taught nerds to normalize their behavior well before adulthood.
But why should we shame nerds? What rational reason do we have for shaming these men so they can be normal? We’re not dealing with single mothers who impose a burden upon us, but single men who except for a few cases really aren’t that bothersome in most cases. These are just men with symptoms that seem to coincide with those of asperger syndrome.
[Nerdiness is more pervasive then you think. As Martin Regnen mentioned in the post of his I quoted, our elites are basically nerds, and they're been dutifully fucking the world up for the past few decades.]
the rise of anti-bullying programs, zero-tolerance policies for such things as bringing anything resembling a gun onto school property
Once a couple of non-NAM kids get shot at school, people start freaking out about the safety of their kids…
[Helicopter parents are also part of the problem.]
Alphas have more sex, but betas are more likely to get married and reproduce.
How many women cuckold their husbands?
Whiskey is right on the money. Bulling created the resentful man-hating fucktards that support Feminism. And school shootings.
[Bullying has been around since time immemorial, but feminism and school shootings are recent. The solution is to teach boys to grow a pair and fight back when they're still young. - ed.]
My first reaction to this was, “heh, this is pretty funny.”
By the time I got to the end, it was, “what the hell? Ferdinand’s gone nuts.”
But after thinking back on the nerds I had to live with for a year.
“Fuck nerds. Fucking retards. Ferdinand is right.”
I admit I’m a nerd (I don’t view it as a pejorative term). I’ve noticed that many HBD bloggers (Guy White, Roissy, you, among others) are disdainful of nerds. I understand the common criticisms of nerds. Indeed, having known many individuals far more nerdy than myself, I agree with some of them. But I think that when HBDers attack nerds, they are attacking a strawman – the sterotypical Aspergers nerd. Very few nerds are really like that. It’s like basing your opinion of black people off Soulja Boy (although I admit I’ve been tempted to do that sometimes…).
Stirring up hatred against nerds is probably a dangerous idea. When people with high IQs are mistreated, they often end up killing large numbers of people (i.e. Timothy McVeigh, Adolf Hitler, Dylan Klebold, Cho Seung Hui, Ted Kaczynski, Ted Bundy).
Commenter Gig once made an excellent poit at Roissy’s tothe effect that guys will bust on a guy who acts dorky or nerdy, and that’s a good and normal part of socialization. Guys also, he continued, will pick fights with one another for the sake of testing themselve and sorting out the hierarchy.
Bullying, onthe other hand, is not a socialization/behavior-corrective mechanism. It’s four dogs savaging a fifth weak one. A theme in “Lord of the Flies” novel was that young boys, unsupervised by adults, descend into savagery. School-structured age sorting of boys, and removing them from adult male leadership, opens the door for bullying.
Ferdinand does however need to distinguish between nerds and geeks.
‘Geek’ is always OF something. Like a history geek. Or a music geek. It’s that uncommon and perhaps eccentric devotion to the subject perhaps to the point of obsession. Borne out of a genuine love for the subject. Geeks don’t do it to impress or disparage others. THAT would be nerdy.
Of course there can be crossover. It’s nerdy as hell to interject your own interests into every topic of conversation. That describes the nerds I had to live with to a tee. Whereas a geek could quite happily keep his fascination to himself and communicate normally, I feel.
The nerds I lived with, who looked a lot like the supposed caricature up the top there, were in need of a severe ass-kicking or two. Terminally awkward, embarassing, social barnacles who would latch onto anyone who gave them a chance. Which most people did, and quickly came to regret.
But I’ve also known geeks. And while they were sometimes a little shy, they basically socialised normally and didn’t stun conversations into embarassed silences. Geeks are just the kind of guys who work normal jobs and have normal relationships but then stay up until 3am endlessly tweaking the audio on some sequencer programme out of sheer passion for the craft.
This is an important distinction Ferdinand. While nerds may need their asses handed to them, geeks should just be left alone to pursue their shit.
[True dat. Geeks don't annoy me. Nerds do. - ed.]
Your description of nerds sounds like the kind of people who attend SF “cons” and often work in IT fields. Yeah, nerds can be irritating with their pet obsessions. However, they don’t seem to bother me as much as they do you. I think they are self-neutralizing because they never get out and live a well-rounded life. I don’t care about them one way or another. I think most people just ignore them.
If there are more nerds today than in the past, its most likely because their are fewer “real” men and real men social milieus for socializing young boys. The school system, in particular, seems to want to convert boys into girls with their obsession with feminization. Real men are not allowed to be real men any more, even in the military, a traditional bastion of real men culture.
You seem to be taking a much narrower definition of nerd than most people would. Most people would consider a nerd an intelligent guy who couldn’t get laid in high school and still has trouble getting laid on a regular basis. In Roissy’s terms, we’d call this a guy a beta. You’re taking nerd to mean the more intelligent of the omegas, which many would call a geek.
[I identify geekiness as having off-beat hobbies. Nerdiness is a state of mind. - ed.]
It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more. We guys can give them wedgies and swirlies, and you gals can wound their souls with cruel, cutting remarks about their fashion sense, hygiene and overall creepiness. The future of the world depends on your willingness to break the hearts and spirits of the socially retarded. Are you game?
Why should I care? Who are the hardcore nerds hurting exactly?
[Civilization, culture, and aesthetics.]
The celibate Issac Newton did more good for the future of the world than Lord Byron did.
[Newton suppressed many of his nerdy tendencies to be a productive human being. The average nerd today is as useless as Lord Byron.]
I’d rather live in a village of nerds than a village of bad boy players.
[Hang around any IT department and get back to me.]
Secondly, the hardcore nerds are already ostracized from polite society and most of them don’t care or are unable to because they otherwise would have already changed their ways. Harassing them into being cool is like harassing a severely retarded person into learning physics.
[Unfair comparison. Extreme nerdiness can be unlearned. It's difficult for older guys, but it can be done.]
In contrast to IT people, real engineers (e.g. materials science or biotechnology) tend to have some nerdy aspects, in that they are not womanizing alpha males, but do not display the obnoxious social traits of the real nerds.
“You seem to be taking a much narrower definition of nerd than most people would. Most people would consider a nerd an intelligent guy who couldn’t get laid in high school and still has trouble getting laid on a regular basis. In Roissy’s terms, we’d call this a guy a beta. You’re taking nerd to mean the more intelligent of the omegas, which many would call a geek.”
Nah. Nerd isn’t synonymous with beta. Not AT ALL. It pretty much does mean omega. The omegas who are smart, or just think they’re smart. At the least they have no social awareness (and often no awareness of personal hygiene. Which is what makes them omega).
The reason socially shaming or bullying nerds into oblivion won’t work is seen in these comments. People who are not nerds, will identify them themselves as nerds and hold themselves up as counterpoints to your arguments.
Re: Thorfinnsson -
The issue with making WN more appealing to ‘non-nerds’ is that by recruiting additional personality types into the tent you change what WN is, and make it very potentially unappealing to the core that has carried and nurtured the movement all these years.
The core ‘nerdy’ WNs will self-destruct what they have rather than see their obsessive visions of reality get challenged by people with conflicting personality types, with different, less abstract perspectives. You can see that happening right now with bitter WNs doing nothing to actually promote their cause while vigorously arguing minutia on the internet and busying themselves with chasing off potential converts because their obsessive personalities require a strict adherence to certain pillars of WN ideology.
There are many things WNs don’t want to hear about their own ideology, even from potential allies or would be WNs, and a big part of that is the personality types that are attracted to the movement and their OCDish adherence to its tenets. There are a lot of WN memes that just don’t make any sense, and are indeed ‘semantic stopsigns’.
Example:
You can’t trust the ‘Righteous Jews’ because there is no guarantee that their children will uphold that ideal model of behavior in the coming White Ethnostate. The children of Ashkenazim that forskae their cultural heritage to help the cause of White Nationalism will revert to their outgroup evolutionary tactics. Of course, there is no guarantee that the children of WNs won’t become self-righteous ultra-SWPLs and create their own outgroup and pursue contra-WN strategies. The ‘semantic stopsign’ of Jewish influence wrecking otherwise Ok white children is not going to fly with most non-nerds, considering the roots of SWPLness; Dissenter Puritanism, nascent Whiggery, et al are evident in antisemitic Ol’ England of the 16th century, at least. A time when Jews didn’t have any of the social clout that they have now.
Outside of a very common knowlege of our cultures history, most white people that have issues with white culture don’t even know any Jews and if they do they can’t distinguish them from their peers for the most part. The worst white-hating SWPLs they know are WASPs or other whites with WASPy affectations. Even if the ‘Jewish Influence’ argument were true, it wouldn’t even matter because there simply aren’t enough Jews for your average Joe to care about them above and beyond the millions of SWPLs that infest the land.
Not to mention the Pie in the Sky concept of a Judenrein White Ethnostate is certainly nerdy. It’s so far from what is possible given the options available to White Nationalists it certainly sounds like nerds discussing impossibly advanced technology that will either never exist in our lifetime, or has no practical application to end-users that nerds will none the less obsess over. It’s also, next to the Jewish Question, the most obsessed over topic in WN circles. If WNs number one focus was actually improving the situation of normal, everyday, middle and lower class White people (that aren’t even WNs) the movement might have legs. Nerds of course aren’t going to get off their assess to help non-nerd ‘sheeple’. If their co-ethnics can’t get off their assess to help themselves to what WNs are serving then they don’t deserve consideration.
PA :
The whole concept of “white nationalist†should eventually converge with its synonym, “normal person†because unlike any other ideology, WN is an orientation shared, IN PRACTICE, by virtually 100% of whites. As is the case with other races and their respective orientations.
Nope. Whites are the most inter-breeding race of all.
PA is an uber-nerd, as he fits the description Ferdinand describes to a T.
a) Obsessive about white nationalism.
b) Lies about having a family, when is really a 40 year old near-virgin.
c) Belongs to the only subgroup of men (aside from East Asians) whose own women avoid them.
d) A total alien to American culture, who thinks claiming to have more of a right to be in America than ‘NAMs’ will earn him points with mainstream American whites.
e) Thinks his white supremacist fringe is mainstream, becomes desperate when other whites don’t endorse him.
f) Goes around saying “High demend riskpikt und gifvts from ze blecks bikos high im vhite”. He still has a heavy Polish accent, you know.
What is worse than a nerd? A WN nerd with a creepy dracula accent.
[Newton suppressed many of his nerdy tendencies to be a productive human being.]
BULLSHIT!
He was a very productive NERD! I’d take these guys over the savvy wall street f*cktards any day.
@ Ferdinand
“There’s no such thing as a female nerd. As I mentioned in the post, the personality traits of nerdiness only manifest themselves to the extreme in men.”
I’ve known plenty of female nerds. They certainly aren’t as common as male nerds (maybe one female nerd for every five males), but they exist. If you don’t believe me, find a Dungeons and Dragons group at a local college and go to a session. However, they tend to be feminists, matriarchalist pagans, or into grrrl power.
[I meant in the context of this post. Nerdgirls are on average more socially adjusted then nerdboys. - ed.]
Newton wasn’t any kind of social climber, but to study in the circles that he did he was required to at least look and talk like an upperclass twit. He might have went full-nerd at home, but in 17th century England he wouldn’t have been permitted to polite society without being able to adhere to its social norms.
Nerds don’t adhere to social norms. Some are too inept to do it without coaching and many are outright disdainful of them and revel in their outcast status. Isaac Newton likely didn’t go around adjusting his underwear in public and then sniffing his buttsweat just to see the reaction of pretty girls.
Newton would talk in lecture even if no students showed up listen. That doesn’t even approach a social norm! The guy was a NERD!
A friggin brilliant one!
As are you apparently, being that you have essentially refused to take a point. No one has said that he wasn’t a nerd. What is being said is that he was a socialized nerd, which is not something that happens in any reliable fashion today. An Isaac Newton of today would not be socialized and he likely wouldn’t have been given the time of day by Cambridge professors and Royalty for it as well.
It’s also a myth that he gave lectures to empty halls. He would talk for a handful of minutes, and then leave. That isn’t ‘giving a lecture’ and I find it unlikely that it is something that happened often. Afterall, who was recording this occurence in empty lecture halls on each occasion?
No one has said he was ‘normal’, as obviously he was exceptional. What is being said is that he was capable of putting on affectations of normalcy to get by, which is something modern nerds either can’t do or more often than not simply don’t choose to out of some misplaced spirit of rebellion and faulty self-perception of being an iconoclast.
Of course, that additional explanation shouldn’t be necessary, and it probably won’t do any good since you apparently, like a nerd, can’t grasp nuance.
Joe, LOL about PA. I’m totally with you on that.
And their “go back to Africa” schtick is tiresome. As if my ancestors haven’t been here since the Ice Age. When did theirs stop digging potatoes, and show up on our shores?
FB, you really hit a nerve with this post. I think it resonates deeply with me because there are a lot of nerdy Christian guys, too.
Lets see here:
Nerds can’t understand nuance.
Most other people do not understand nuance either. Your typical PC liberal or social conservative also has the “my way or the highway” mentality in that they believe that you either have to be with them or against them.
Nerds are obsessive.
Many other people are obsessive as well. Successful entrepreneurs tend to be obsessive.
Nerds are herd conformists.
Anyone who is a PC liberal or believes in any kind of religion is a herd conformist. Indeed, both religion and socialism are constructed specifically for herd conformists.
Nerds are lazy and cowardly.
Most people are too lazy to work out at the gym to get into shape or take up any kind of outdoor sport (skiing, climbing, kite-surfing, etc.).
Nerds are manginas.
This term is often used to describe men who are PC liberals. Most PC liberal men are not nerds.
Nerds aren’t cool.
This is certainly true. That’s why they’re nerds.
However, most other people are not cool either. Most people, both men and women, are fat and out of shape. I think the obesity rate is around 35% in the U.S. and the total percentage of adults overweight are now a majority (e.g. over 50%). Obesity is nearly ubiquitous in certain regions of the country. Most people have terrible fashion sense.
Most people I see outside the gym tend not to look so good, and I live in a part of the country that is known for outdoor sports, the Pacific Northwest.
To sum up, it seems to me that for non-nerd criticism of nerds is like the pot calling the kettle black.
I called it months ago — Joe is Ricky Raw’s sock puppet. And “Anonynous,” back at our dustup at Roissy’s, is Joe’s sock puppet.
That makes T. aka Ricky Raw a really cool guy who has two degrees of sock puppets!
(“RickyRaw” just made a near-identical comment at Obsidian’s. If the commenter who signed himself there as RR is not the RR who has a blog and used to comment at Roissy’s, I take that back.)
PA,
“RickyRaw†just made a near-identical comment at Obsidian’s.
Yeah, I saw that a minute ago. Anyway, the part I was agreeing with was that you seem sort of nerdy. Sort of obsessed with the whole WN thing to the point where it’s tiresome.
Anyway, since you’re here, can you answer a WN question for me? Do WN believe in true patriarchy including patrilineage, or do they trace ethnicity through the mother? The whole “One Drop Rule” stuff seems like a throwback to slave matriarchies.
Alte, Joe/Ricky ascribes untrue things to me. I don’t “obsess” over WN issues, just comment on the subject, among many other subjects. My beliefs are no more “extreme” than say, presumably guys’ like FB, Roissy, or Doug1.
I don’t know what WNs think of “the one drop rule.” My comments in the past on this subject touched on two key things: (1) it’s a universal human instinct to want your grandchilden to resemple you. (2) I trace culture through the father, and several times in the past had pointed out to very different observations regarding mixed kids who had a white fatehr / black mother vs mixed kids who had a black fatehr / white mother.
I used to think that Ricky/Joe is offended by an immigrant’s temerity to have conservative views on race. If that’s the case, fuck him. But I also once floated another theory: Ricky and I used to have pleasant exchanges at Roissy’s. Then, I made conservative remarks on race. I suspected that he was wounded by me not turning out to be one of those wonderful foreign white people who woudl embrace him in toto. Hence his hurt-sounding (and odd) comments about me.
‘It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more. We guys can give them wedgies and swirlies’
No you can’t, you weakling.
You’re not physically competent. You’re not physically exceptional.
You’re a mediocrity who writes on the Internet.
You’re not capable of combat, not even of fisticuffs.
[Butthurt much? - ed.]
[Civilization, culture, and aesthetics.]
The nerds as you are describing them are fairly rare, keep to themselves and aren’t found in social situation. On the basis of civilization, culture and aesthetics, douche bags who wear Ed Hardy shirts and get tribal band tattoos are a greater threat because the potential for pussy makes it more likely that their numbers will expand. If anyone should be harassed, it’s these guys, but they won’t be because they’re physically stronger than the nerds.
[Make no mistake, I've got lots of other retards on my hit list. But nerds get a pass because our victimologist culture encourages weakness and pity. Fuck that. - ed.]
[Unfair comparison. Extreme nerdiness can be unlearned. It's difficult for older guys, but it can be done.]
The more socially aware ones are like David Alexander. They might be able to change themselves, but they don’t feel like it’s worth the effort. Their lifestyle is a higher priority than social acceptance. Wanting to physically harass someone because you don’t like their particular tastes is indicative of a juvenile mindset.
[I don't have a problem with nerds who keep to themselves. But when they get into positions of power, they become a problem. Nerds have too much influence today.]
PA,
Okay, cool. Good answer.
Unfortunately, I just got back from Europe and things aren’t looking so good over there. I was shocked that the German border guards doing passport control in Munich where Turkish. And Madrid was empty of children. A friend of mine from Slovakia had just come back from there and was complaining about the rabid feminists back home, as was my (Czech) cousin.
I got to sit through a feminist-bitching session of 5 white women, telling me what a loser I was for being a homemaker and having children so young. It was ironic to me. The only person at the table producing white babies was the black chick.
When I mentioned that to a homemaker friend of ours, she acknowledged that she’s constantly harassed and insulted by career women, and that people labeled her “antisocial” when she mentioned that she considered having a third child. A few years ago, Germans were discussing Rabeneltern. And now homemakers are under fire. Things change quickly.
It’s not looking good. I don’t care about WN (as I’m not white, obviously), but it’s painful for me to see my Heimat self-destruct like that. I actually got into a fight about it with one of them. She said, “So what do you expect me to do? Get married, sit at home, and make babies? Unlike you, I have a life.”
Ah yes. Set your hopes on that horse. It’ll take you places.
Not.
I am a kind of nerd. I have always been interested in science. I have a coffee cup with the periodic table on it, and toy stuffed T4 phages and black mould organisms. Lots of nerdy interests. I work as a scientist. I also score high on the autism scale. But I am happily married with children and a good job. I manage technical staff.
As an Australian, I have never got this scientists and engineers are nerds idea. I have known plenty of good-looking high-IQ blokes who have good social skills. And plenty of cute female scientists.
Women have generally found me attractive.
Because your hand will all you will have to comfort yourself in the end.
Yes, but why sell your soul to the devil for a woman who will leave you when an even bigger alpha comes along? If it’s one thing PUA/MRA world has done, it’s made the entire concept of a relationship even less enticing and far more depressing. It’s no longer a a sugar coated romantic fantasy, but a crude pessimistic game of sexual debauchery and dominance.
[Given that you have a record of making severely screwed up comments in this vein, I'll refrain from comment. - ed.]
Getting your ass kicked is part of life. Take your lumps and come back stronger.
Are you paying for my emergency room care and physical therapy? Otherwise, it’s much cheaper to keep my mouth shut and keep to myself than to go instigate fights. I saw my brother get his ass kicked by bigger and stronger guys, and he wasn’t some wimpy weak guy. I’m not willing to take that risk like he did.
[No one says you should run around like an idiot starting fights with anyone who looks at you funny. The point is to stick up for yourself and know when to throw a punch and when to back down.]
Why should I care? Who are the hardcore nerds hurting exactly?
[Civilization, culture, and aesthetics.]
But, how are they hurting civilization and culture?
[They lack common sense and as a result pursue ludicrous, destructive policies like multiculturalism and oppose sensible things like wealth redistribution. And as I mentioned to Thorfinnsson upthread, they infiltrate fringe political groups and undermine them from within by making sure they can only appeal to losers like themselves.]
And they have no obligation to cater to your aesthetic desires.
[They're welcome to have their ugly anime posters and fake-titted, long-nailed, glass-eyed porn women to themselves. I'd rather they not force them on normal people.]
[As are you apparently, being that you have essentially refused to take a point. No one has said that he wasn't a nerd. What is begin said is that he was a socialized nerd, which is not something that happens in any reliable fashion today.]
I understand your point and I disagree. We’ve got all sorts of definitions of nerd being tossed around on this blog and until that is nailed down it’s pointless to talk about the nuances of being a “socialized” nerd.
What I disagreed with was the comment that “Newton suppressed many of his nerdy tendencies to be a productive human being.” Based on what I’ve read, I don’t see that at all.
Regardless, what I really have a problem with is the tone of the original blog entry. Opening up a can of whoop-ass may beat the nerd out of someone… or it might snap them. Next thing you know you’ve got another Columbine.
The more socially aware ones are like David Alexander.
If you read my last blog entry, you can tell that I am not socially aware, but just massively, massively messed up.
I’m definitely a low ranking unemployable low IQ idiot nerd, so I am the stereotypical omega range. Yes, girls talk to me at work, but for all intents and purposes, it’s superficial at best and nothing that can really constitute a true friendship except for Athena. To a certain extent, my position in society is that of a repeat tourist to a certain city. I know enough about how people work to understand, but it’s not the same as being a fully-fledged member of mainstream society. I’m not some dirty* smelly rag wearing nerd, and as a railfan, I sometimes mock them and refuse to railfan with them, but I’m still to weird and esoteric for mainstream consumption.
I think one has to realize that the nerd has bizzare interests because normal interests just don’t satisfy him. I stay at home and read about trains because it’s fun for me. I don’t expect other people to share that interest, and I’m shocked when normal people like my train photos. But the entire idea of hanging out in a club or bar to go meet women or hang out doesn’t make sense to me, is a little bit scary, and just doesn’t seem like fun. I think we’re just going to have to accept that there are a few males with non-standard interests that won’t find normal interests appealing even if they were tolerant. Some are just too scared and apprehensive and others will just never find it fulfilling.
[A few nerds are fine. Lots of nerds? A problem. It's not something that we should encourage. - ed.]
*I use St Ives facial scrub, Givenchy perfume, Dove soap, and Pantene & Rene Furterer shampoo to keep that under control.
I just visited a White nationalist blog, read through a thread, and almost got physically ill. This is a common experience at such sites. There is something viscerally repulsive about such people.
Yes, most WN’s do indeed believe in one-drop rule. Which makes WN’s even bigger tools and epic losers than they already are. Fully 31% of US Whites have some Black in them. A very much higher %, including me, have some Amerindian in them.
[So I suppose I'm automatically out of the club, given I have a sliver of Indian ancestry on my father's side. Lame. - ed.]
A good 80-90% of US WN’s are hardcore Nordicists. In general, they deny Whiteness to Portuguese, Spaniards, Southern Italians, Serbs, Bosnians, Macedonians, Greeks, Croats and Cypriots. Of course they deny it to those slimy Turks, Armenians, Georgians and folks of the Caucasus. Jews? Don’t ask. Arabs? Deny them all. Berbers? Same, impure. Lapps? Ditto, too much of that stinky Asiatic. Iranians? Some accept them, most say they are wogs. Pashtuns, Punjabis and other South Asian Aryans? Get real. Hispanics? All non-White. Anyway, Spaniards are contaminated you know.
The future of Whiteness in the US is Pan-Aryanism or it is doomed.
No one cares if you are a nerd. If you are a socially retarded nerd, there can be a problem. Ferd is addressing social retardation in this post, not nerdiness per se. Let’s hear it for cool guy nerds!
Ferd is incorrect in some ways though. I understand there are quite a few women on Stormfront. Stormfront, as Pan-Europeanists, is far more sane than your average WN site. Is that sad or what?
[I generally ignore Stormfront, but if they're the sane ones here, white nationalists are even more screwed then I thought.]
DA, I have plenty of non-standard interests and obsessions (I have books full of illustrations of viruses, of scanning electron micrographs of parasites, on the evolution of insects, on rare genetic anomalies, and so on, and so on). And I still got the girl.
Alte let the cat out of the bag. Treat women as slightly inferior, and they will go for you. I have made this work for many years with my wife. I went home last night and told her to pack my lunch more securely in future (some fluid from a casserole had leaked). She appeared to take offence, but I got a better packed lunch today. They love it …
I was shocked that the German border guards doing passport control in Munich where Turkish.
I’m amazed that you’re shocked about that. It’s no different than Caribbean or South Asian immigrants performing the same duties here in the Anglosphere. Given that there is a sizable number of second and third generation Turks, they’re going to have to do something other than collect welfare or sweep streets. Mind you, I suspect the only reason you’re upset about the Turks is because they’re Muslim. Realistically, would you be as upset if they were Chinese or Indian or African?
telling me what a loser I was for being a homemaker and having children so young
That’s because you don’t share their world view. As a traditionalist, you’re concerned about such things, while they’re more concerned about maximizing the utility of their freedom. To them you are a loser because you’re a smart women not using her intelligence to make money and use the money on herself in varying ways. To you, they’re losers for not caring about demographic and social issues that are important to you. As you noted, they aren’t willing to sacrifice for something that they don’t really see as a problem. Yes, they may want kids, but they don’t want them to inconvenience their lifestyles, while you don’t care and think it’s the ultimate duty. It’s the ultimate question, is life and civilization for enjoyment or is it for duty and perpetual hard work? If it’s the latter, maybe a civilizational suicide is best to enjoy the pleasure of death and to leave the hard work for those willing to throw away their lives for it.
I don’t care about WN (as I’m not white, obviously)
Except you should care about it precisely because you’re not white. Racial nationalists are our enemies regardless of who they represent and our respective race(s).
Real nerds, in the Urkel/pocket protector mold, are basically a chimera once your peer group passes early college. They essentially don’t exist.
I’d say your post is a generalization of the term “nerd” to a number of character traits. By doing so, you’ve stretched the definition and I imagine most wouldn’t recognize the nerd you describe as the one they picture when thinking of this cohort.
The point is to stick up for yourself and know when to throw a punch and when to back down.
The point is sticking up for myself can lead to serious injury requiring expensive hospitalization and physical therapy. It’s best to just simply avoid such situations whenever possible.
oppose sensible things like wealth redistribution
I must admit, this portion of your statement is a bit unusual as I’ve never pegged you as wealth redistributor.
[I'm no socialist, but a limited amount of wealth redistribution is necessary to keep the economy going and prevent social collapse. My remark there was targeted at libertarian nerds who reject all forms of wealth redistribution. For instance, FDR's Keynesian economic policies kept America together during the Great Depression. There are libertarian idiots that will argue that FDR prolonged the Depression, not recognizing that without the New Deal, there would have been a communist revolution in America. If throwing money at the masses every once and a while is the price I have to pay for social stability, I'll gladly pony up.
You also forgot that I work for the government. I'll support limited governmental interference in the economy as long as I need it to make a living. - ed.]
Regardless, I don’t the political agents that you’re talking about are nerds per se. Some of the hardcore policy wonks are, but I suspect most are really just normal people who believe in their viewpoints. How else would they be able to sell their ideas?
[More charismatic people sell the ideas, but people who are inclined to nerdiness conceive of them. Nerds can be found in positions that don't rely on popular approval, like presidential cabinets and bureaucracies. What, you think the elected politicians are the sole arbitrators of public policy?]
Lots of nerds? A problem.
As a black man, I’d probably want to increase the number of black nerds by 1000%. Yes, some nerds will get pissy and shoot up something, but otherwise, they stay quiet, and keep to themselves as they’re too scared to expose themselves to greater society unless they’re forced to. The other extreme seems to be far worse, and I’d much prefer a world of nerds over a world of thugs. Luckily for the real world, nerds are not the majority, and for whites, thugs are not either.
So I suppose I’m automatically out of the club, given I have a sliver of Indian ancestry on my father’s side.
Since I lack the appropriate amount and right white ancestry, I do not qualify. Boohoo.
Treat women as slightly inferior, and they will go for you.
And you know that I’ll never do that. I would feel guilty, and I’d never be able to love her if she really was inferior. I don’t want to treat somebody that I love as underling or bad employee, but it’s this type of sentiment needed to attract and maintain women that makes a relationship so unsatisfying these days.
[I don't have a problem with nerds who keep to themselves. But when they get into positions of power, they become a problem. Nerds have too much influence today.]
Nonsense. To have influence on a large scale, you need powers of persuasion and social skills, which nerds by definition lack. Far more societal problems are caused by charismatic bullshit artists than nerds looking at a spreadsheets. Multiculturalism wouldn’t have been possible without a force of personality like Martin Luther King and Barack Obama would never gotten close to being President if was a straight-up nerd.
[As I mentioned to DA, nerds can be found in positions of power that don't require public approval. Government bureaucracies, for instance, are full of nerds, and bureaucracies have an increasing amount of control over public policy. The nerds and bullshit artists work as a team - the former make the snake oil and the latter sell it. They are both problematic. - ed.]
DA, I said “slightly inferior”. Very arguably, women ARE slightly inferior. You could love a child, although he is an inferior. Why not a woman?
I was at a meeting with mostly women last night. I certainly didn’t feel surrounded by equals.
Feminism, by claiming, however absurdly, that women are the total equals of men has simply made most men unattractive to most women.
Good job Ferd, from the number of comments I think you must have hit close to home for many people with this post.
[It's a myth that the number of comments is indicative of the popularity of a blog post, as I've witnessed several times. But not in this case. No non-LIGFY post of mine hasn't gotten this many hits since I roasted Richard Hoste. - ed.]
Also, I should add, its not just a lack of social graces that makes a nerd, but its their attitude, as you said in a comment. Brilliant men like Newton may have fuck all social sense but they don’t approach things with the loser (for lack of a better word) mentality that the nerds you are talking about do.
Why not a woman?
That’s because the child is young & cute, and effectively, it’s my personal product that will hopefully become superior to me. In contrast, I would prefer my equal to be my spouse.
Women are cute. They are designed to be cute. They have all sorts of childlike traits: big eyes, round skulls, smooth skin, high voices, relatively small size. They are neotenic. They bring out, in normal men, the desire to protect and dominate. To own and control …
“Nerds are herd conformists.”
Yeah, White Nationalist sure are “herd conformists” alright.
What is happening with the ‘new White Nationalism’ (WN 2.0) is that it is building an intelligentsia. That is all. An intelligentsia often tends toward nerdiness, but it is a necessary step in a building the intellectual basis for a movement.
[As I mentioned to DA, nerds can be found in positions of power that don't require public approval. Government bureaucracies, for instance, are full of nerds, and bureaucracies have an increasing amount of control over public policy. The nerds and bullshit artists work as a team - the former make the snake oil and the latter sell it. They are both problematic. - ed.]
There are conservative nerds and there are liberal nerds. Which group of nerds get to occupy the bureaucracy depends on who gets elected. (Except for career bureaucrats who tend to lean toward the left) And the nerds in the bureaucracy are quite different from the WoW nerds you were railing against earlier. A bureaucratic nerd needs a fair amount of social savvy to rise up the ladder to where the elites are listening to him.
The two ideologies that you love to mock for being filled with nerds, libertarianism and white nationalism, do not hold much sway among the elite. (Although Cato-style libertarianism is certainly far less objectionable to them) If these are the ideologies that are the nerdiest, than it would seem that mainstream conservatism and mainstream liberalism are less nerdy and more socially acceptable.
Damn. And I always thought I was a nerd.
I pretty much agree with the article except for the pro-bullying bit preferring ignoring them and their complaints. However there’s not really much to fear because such social retards come with a Darwin Award at birth because they will never attract a woman let alone produce offspring. They will hear their Alpha counterparts talk lurid tales of their sexual adventures while in high school, they will bump into their Beta counterparts who have married and settled down in their twenties and then they will wake up one day in their thirites and realise that they are Omegas – no woman wants them at all, ever.
Nerdiness is a bullet I barely dodged. Thank God for a love of aesthetics. I realize now that one can’t dump every bit of it (I can’t will myself away from enjoying Science Fiction short stories and Independent comic books, which seem to be aspects of nerd culture I really enjoy personally rather than because other awkward people dig it). Still, one must hate nerds. Not so much for the external aspects of the hatred, but to burn up the dross within yourself.
I would beg to differ: female nerds DO exist, and the average feminist fills the bill to precision. In reading through this post, I paused at nearly every paragraph to reflect, “ah…how very much like a feminist!”
Also, it is not strictly true that nerds are oblivious to nuance. Some of them, in fact, are oblivious to anything BUT nuance – using nuance for an escape hatch from the harsh binaries of commonsense which life shoves in our faces as often as anything else.
Male feminist nerds like the referenced Ampersand use “nuance” as a derailing technique – to avoid coming to close intellectual quarters with MRAs and such people.
“Yes, most WN’s do indeed believe in one-drop rule. Which makes WN’s even bigger tools and epic losers than they already are. Fully 31% of US Whites have some Black in them.”
That’s true, and those 31% average out to about 2.3%.
Interestingly this is a far higher level of Black admixture than is found for Whites in those European nations which have had their Autosomal dna tested.
This indicates that on average, the more time a White’s ancestors spent in America, the more likely they’ll have Black ancestry.
This makes it ironic that Nordicists are so much more likely to be Americans, and so much less likely to be of recent European ancestry.
“So I suppose I’m automatically out of the club, given I have a sliver of Indian ancestry on my father’s side.”
You may be a degenerate, but at least you aren’t a psychopath who thirsts for the expulsion and/or blood of your fellow Whites.
You wouldn’t have liked being a Nordicist anyway.
“[I generally ignore Stormfront, but if they're the sane ones here, white nationalists are even more screwed then I thought.]”
I think most White Nationalists take the Pan-European position, though I guess there’s no way to know.
@Sparks123,
“The nerds as you are describing them are fairly rare, keep to themselves and aren’t found in social situation.”
UNTRUE
I think most White Nationalists take the Pan-European position, though I guess there’s no way to know.
It’s hard to say. Outside of Stormfront, US WN’s are about 80% Nordicist minimum (I’ve been studying this for a long time). WN Pan-Europeanists outside of SF are few and far between and tend to keep their mouths tightly shut. The Nordicists have the floor.
SF is Pan-Europeanist as part of its stated agenda. Nordicism is supposedly banned on SF, but it really isn’t, it’s just frowned upon. Nevertheless, the Latin American fora, etc. are regularly harassed and attacked by Nordicists.
Even Jared Taylor’s American Renaissance is starting to run blatantly and insultingly Nordicist Med-bashing crap. I was stunned when I saw that, but it figures. Commenters on Amren are nearly all Nordicists, and no one ever questions them.
I’m glad WN’s are a bunch of Nordicist fools because that means they will be even more pitiful, rejected and ostracized than ever. Few normal White Americans believe that the only Whites on Earth are those from Northern Europe. I think we should encourage this nonsense because then they will dig their Stupid Hole halfway to China and make them about as marginalized as Charles Manson’s supporters.
There’s something to be said that social dimness is not really a problem in women when it comes to relationships. How many guys secretly dream of gals who are rather submissive and aren’t particular prone to cheating and, most of all, be faithful? Such traits are socially-terminal in men but are okay for women (provided they’re reasonably good-looking of course). Maybe this explains why nerdiness is found in a suprising large portion of the male population?
The biggest “Nordicist” nutcase over on OD most certainly is the commenter “MGLS”. He can barely let any comment go by unchallenged that has even a whiff of anything to do with a real, or more likely perceived, “insult”, or at least what he deems as not “sufficiently respectful” towards his “pan-Northern Europeanism”, and especially, his obsessive fondness for all things British/English (who he deludes himself into thinking are as “pure Nordic” as the Swedes..and don’t you dare tell him the factual otherwise!!!)
Otherwise he gets all frantically obsessed trying to “prove” just how “Viking” the English (in other words himself) really (supposedly) are, especially when he posts page after page of material attempting to demonstrate this from a book and author nearly 100 years old: Famed American “Nordicist” Madison Grant and his work The Passing of the Great Race.
He also seems to have a profound socio-pathological, all-consuming hatred for any and all things Southern European — with absolutely no exceptions. He routinely, to justify his consuming antipathy, especially towards Italians, posts ancient stories from over a century ago when they were just arriving in this country, so of course their ethnic accounts and portrayls are going to be less-than-flattering, and way out-of-context. Not a problem for, as some call him, “Mr. Miggles”, since fairness and a sense of balance and proportionality are as alien to him as Egyptian Hieroglyphics.
As well, since he is a humorless and obsessive person, when he makes an enemy of someone (which he is doing with increasing frequency), he begines to cyber-stalk them, following them around and saving and pasting their comments in unrelated threads to show how much his opponents are the “enemies to ‘Nordish’ preservation”. He even has done this with a few of the OD administrators, creating seperate threads in the OD Forum to complain how “petty” and “unfair” they are for deleting his unrelated, and unrelenting Nordicist commenting and hobby horsing.
Since he is on the OD site so much, I really wonder if he has any kind of social life outside of his internet existence, or, for that matter, if he even has a job. This article seems to have been inspired, coincidently or not, by the likes of “Miggles”.
[Ugh...I've run into that guy before. He's about as fun as a stroke. I wasn't thinking of him when I wrote this, but he fits the bill perfectly. - ed.]
Hey D. Alexander – since you’ve admitted to getting a couple of roots means you don’t qualify to be an Omega. You’d be as close as a Beta go to being an Omega without actually being an Omega but you’re still a Beta.
[So I suppose I'm automatically out of the club, given I have a sliver of Indian ancestry on my father's side. Lame. - ed.]
High fives all around! Mr. Pale Face is a Redskin, after all. ;-)
But seriously, I’ve been to Toulouse and Madrid and was surprised both times by how the people look like straight-up negroes. You can’t tell the Spaniards, the mulattoes, and the North Africans apart. Really, if they’re white, then so am I. Even a lot of Germans are much darker than me and have brown eyes, which I always find slightly disconcerting. I always think, “I wonder what they’re mixed with?”
Although I suppose I have the typical black-person’s-internalization of the One Drop Rule.
There’s something to be said that social dimness is not really a problem in women when it comes to relationships. How many guys secretly dream of gals who are rather submissive and aren’t particular prone to cheating and, most of all, be faithful?
Female nerds are feminists. The submissive, faithful ones have higher social skills, that’s why they end up like that. They understand what men actually want, rather than mindlessly hanging on to a worthless ideology.
since you’ve admitted to getting a couple of roots means you don’t qualify to be an Omega
Three attempts at penis in vagina sex and numerous incidences of oral sex and making out with the same woman still screams omega. You need to replicate it with a second woman to avoid being omega. :-)
You also forgot that I work for the government. I’ll support limited governmental interference in the economy as long as I need it to make a living.
At least you’re honest, and willing to admit that you won’t curse what feeds you…
Nerds are simply the children of a specific personality type. You don’t recognize the more mature form of those types when you meet them, because, well, most of you are completely blind to anything actually real. So maybe an artsy girl takes pictures of everything, her clock, her makeup-bottles, random windows, her feet, when she is young. Maybe we need to “beat that out of her”? All people are a little/lot/over-the-top silly when they are young.
Mistaking a growl for a whine going get you in trouble one of these days, skip.
[You are such a pussy. - ed.]
So a seven year old needs to “just fight back” against a ten year old? How does that work, skip?
[Throw a punch, champ. Or two. Toss in a kick if you like. I know you're a weakling who faints at the sight of your own blood, but just try it. Life is so much better when you have a pair of balls.]
“Nerds are repulsive human beings and a blight on civilization. Nerds worship everything evil and heap calumny on everything good. Nerdiness is a social cancer to be fought in all its forms.”
– “Alpha males”, “beta males”, blah, blah, blah. Surely Bill Gates is the universal image of “nerdiness”, but what woman (practical one, anyway) would not jump at the opportunity to land this nerd?
By the way, is that a picture of you at the head of this article? Lol.
[Originality fail. - ed.]
Alte,
The Spanish certainly have less Black blood than White Americans, and admixture analysis has failed to find a greater amount of West Asian Caucasian ancestry for the Spanish than has been found in other European groups.
Now so far there hasn’t been an admixture analysis which includes both Spaniards and the more northern Berbers, so maybe there’s a shared fractional component in the Spanish which they share with some North African Caucasians, but not with Middle Easterner Caucasians.
At the same time its important to understand the principle of convergent evolution. You’d think based on superficial appearance that the Ashkenazi Jews are more European in ancestry than they actually are, due to the fact that they’ve spend enough time in Europe that some aspects of their phenotype have adapted to the European climate.
In the same way there may have been convergent evolution with the Spanish and North African Caucasians in some aspects of phenotype, due to the similarities in climate.
Certainly the genetic distance between the Spanish and French has been found to be extremely small compared to the total variability found in the European continent.
For example, the gene map of Europe compiled by the Erasmus University Medical Center found overlap between the Spanish and French clusters, while failing to find any overlap between the French and Danes, or even any overlap between the French and northern Germans.
All I know is that the Bavarians are ethnic mutts, which might be the reason for their strong cultural pride. They’re compensating for diversity with a stronger culture and a stricter adherence to religion.
FB, this is what Roissy said about nerds:
it’s funny, but every self-confessed female nerd i’ve met or dated has never manifested anywhere near the full panoply of nerdiness i see in my male nerd friends. for instance, no male nerd could write a blog similar to yours — they are simply incapable of any emotional depth. you could strip away your name and pics and i would still know your blog was written by a woman.
[And...shocker! Roissy is right AGAIN. - ed.]
FB: I can’t keep my terminology straight. I’d always figured that the sorts of people described in your essay would be described as geeks (with nerds being the productive ones), but apparently geeks are just normals with some eccentric interests. Oy vey, the shifting language!
Anyway, I know you’re being tongue-in-cheek, but there’s little hope that peer pressure can do anything about the sorts you describe (who are mainly Asperger’s types). If they can’t respond to social interaction normally, you can forget using normal tactics to get them to conform. It doesn’t work on psychopaths, and it doesn’t work on Aspies.
What to do, then? Take the most annoying state, and give it to them as the Nerd Israel. Dump it from the Union (most people would say New Jersey or Mississippi, but I’m thinking Massachusetts…)
[Taxachusetts gets an unfair rap. I say we send 'em to West Virginia. - ed.]
“By the way, is that a picture of you at the head of this article? Lol.”
Damn … FUCKING GOOD ONE DUDE. YOU FUCKING GOT HIM.
You really are a little girl, you know that?
[No I'm not, but you have the comebacks of one. Are you gonna start calling me a big meanie next? - ed.]
So…. again, how exactly does “fighting back” stop a seven year old from being beaten up by a ten year old again? Oh yeah, it doesn’t.
[Your wounded, passive-aggressive beta schtick isn't funny anymore, boy.]
Life is so much better when you have a pair of balls
Actually, you end up doing stupid shit and getting hurt at best or killed at worst.
Actually, you end up getting laid. You don’t get something for nothing, DA.
I love it when Snark is snarky. Gives me a cheap little thrill.
[And...shocker! Roissy is right AGAIN. - ed.]
I hate when he’s right, so it sucks that he’s so reliably on target. It makes me want to throw rocks and yell at the injustice in the world. “There! And there! And stop acting so fucking sexy! And there’s another one, there!” I hate guys like that.
Sorry. Too much wine, so I’ll stop trolling now.
[I love it when you troll. - ed.]
Actually, you end up getting laid. You don’t get something for nothing, DA.
You don’t get laid when you’re in a wheel chair or sitting in jail for a life sentence.
I hate when he’s right, so it sucks that he’s so reliably on target.
Some how, the entire PUA/MRA world is addictive, yet depressing because it does destroy those pretty little lies about finding a soul mate and loving her forever. As I’ve said, it makes relationships less enticing, and more crude and savage.
The Nordicism debate on OD is essentially MGLS and Robert Campbell vs. Reginald and a few other commentators like Kulaks and Euro. No one else pays any attention to it.
There are as many anti-Nordicists as Nordicists on our website. That’s why these fucking threads get hundreds of comments.
Nordicism is only one of the many issues that get debated in the comments. Christianity is another hot topic. Prudes vs. Libertines has been going on for a few days. As with Nordicism, each side is represented among both the authors and the commentators.
“Would you really rather live in a world without nerds than in one with nerds? I think not. Most of the good stuff in the world started with a nerd.”
With rare exceptions, that is simply not true. I worked in physics for 12 years. While the profession is nerdy, the people who achieved things most decidedly were NOT nerdy. They were alpha types, just like in any other field. It’s probably the same in software. The only actual nerd I can think of invented the world’s suckiest operating system.
Yes, this whole nerd thing bothers me. The top physicists of the 20th century, and the mathematicians, included some very masculine types. Einstein liked the ladies; Von Neumann would today be called a “sexual harasser” and was a real bon viveur. Godel was pretty nerdy, but even he married a nice looking girl, an actress if I recall. Schrodinger cuckolded some other physicist. Dirac was strange, but he was very arrogant (I heard him give a lecture once, and he was not modest.) Oppenheimer liked the good things in life and had plenty of women. Feynman was a devotee of strippers and used to seduced the wives of his graduate students. Gamow had a large personality and was something of a wit. Hoyle was arrogant and opinionated. Pauling was arrogant and I seem to remember that he had sexual escapades. Teller was an alpha male type. And so on.
FB, the important thing isn’t whether or not you like it. The important thing is whether or not it’s good for your hit count and increases your commentariat.
[Well, gee, I didn't think you cared so much about my stats. - ed.]
(And whether or not I’m simply making a fool out of myself.)
The top physicists of the 20th century, and the mathematicians, included some very masculine types.
I’ve noticed the same thing, as I used to work in the scientific field, mostly with physicists. The best ones were generally more alpha than the others. (Hey, I’m a girl. I notice these things.) Same with engineers.
Although I don’t know if that’s because dominant types are more likely to be geniuses, or because being a genius leads to self-confidence. My husband is absolutely brilliant — easily the most intelligent man I’ve ever met — and very alpha. The speed with which he makes mental connections is absolutely astonishing and sometimes dumbfounding, and I can imagine that a lifetime of astonishing people effects a man’s personality. Or maybe it’s just the correlation of intelligence with physical attractiveness and virility rearing it’s genetically fit head.
Perhaps that’s why innovation seems to be stagnating in the West, and moving in the direction of incremental improvements (a beta habit), rather than inventive leaps (an alpha trait). The alphas have given up using their brains for civilization advancement, and are increasingly just chasing tail or plotting rebellion. After all, they’re smart enough to see the writing on the wall, aren’t they?
What a waste of male potential.
James Watson made a similar suggestion a while back. He said that back in the 1950s, science was about the most fun a young intelligent man could have. So he went to Cambridge and deduced the structure of DNA (with Crick, as you know). He said that today there are a lot easier ways of having fun and conquering nature (“chasing tail” being one; video games being another).
Also, it pains me to say it, but I suspect that a lot of the “big” discoveries have in fact already been made. The age of the swashbuckling male scientist and inventor may be waning. No physicist dominates like a Dirac or even a Dyson today. I suppose Hawking comes closest, and maybe that fellow Witten. But Hawking has fame partly because of his unusual physical circumstances.
What I honestly don’t get about the Roissys of the world is how they can spend so much time chasing girls. With all due respect, I just don’t think it is a good use of a man’s time. To land a really desirable woman for an LTR, yes. But to bed a succession of them … what is the ultimate point?
I think being a good scientist, particularly if you can “do the math” as you Americans say, does wonders for the ego. Some of the most arrogant men I have known have been scientists. Many of them are atheists of course, which means they are true masters of the universe, in their own minds, like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.
I never thought of being a scientist as a nerdy, sissy avocation. Quite the reverse. It was one of the reasons I pursued science. It always seemed a quintessentially masculine endeavour to me. People sometimes think that my own field, biology, is more feminine; but all the top biologists are men.
[Well, gee, I didn't think you cared so much about my stats. - ed.]
I don’t. I just worry sometimes that I annoy you, and everybody else, who are trying to have some semblance of an intelligent conversation without my constant inane derailments. If it helped your stats, at least I’d have some sort of excuse.
But if you enjoy the derailments, then I’ll continue at my leisure.
Also, it pains me to say it, but I suspect that a lot of the “big†discoveries have in fact already been made.
How many times have we heard that before? Famous last words, David.
But Hawking has fame partly because of his unusual physical circumstances.
That helps, but he’s popularly famous for the same reason Einstein was: he has the immensely rare ability to understand incredibly complex things, and then explain them in a manner so that even a science-dunce like I can understand them. There are undoubtedly many more intelligent scientists, but their ideas don’t spread because nobody understands them. One of the reasons that the more alpha among the scientists are seen as being more intelligent is because they are able to communicate their ideas, and convince others of their ideas’ superiority.
This ability was the reason that my old boss used to drag me around with him everywhere he went. Anytime he didn’t understand something, he’d lean over and ask me, “What does that mean?”. Or we’d leave a meeting and he’d say, “Write up a report telling me what the hell they were talking about. 2 pages, no complex charts, in 2 hours.” Then he’d go into the follow-up meeting looking like a brilliant man in full control, despite knowing next-to-nothing about software engineering.
It made me invaluable to him, and made me the increasing target of poaching from other departments. It’s a very rare trait, especially in the complex matrix of R&D, where each person is quite ensconced in his own field, and largely ignorant of the others. Someone who is not necessarily a top expert in his own field, but able to make immediate connections between the varying areas of expertise, will be noted and promoted. I suppose it’s more of a female trait (a la Marie Curie), but it’s rare for a woman to have the intellectual stamina to be able to make much use of it. A man who can do that has it made.
People sometimes think that my own field, biology, is more feminine; but all the top biologists are men.
Biology (and software engineering) has room at the bottom for women, with little need for higher maths. Physics, mathematics, chemistry, electrical engineering, etc. don’t. Not really. Biology also seems less abstract (at least at the bottom), which is easier for women. But at the top of biology, it starts to merge together with other “harder” disciplines, and the women drop out.
Talking about women in science is like talking about women in medicine. The total numbers and increase in presence is astonishing. But when you see what positions they are actually holding, the situation becomes clear. When it gets down to the hard-core thinking, doing, and working, the women are a tiny minority. This is because those jobs are gosh-darn hard, and require an ability to concentrate on a single topic that hardly any women have.
Trying to argue otherwise, or whine about discrimination, completely misses the point. Having men be nurses and women be surgeons is generally a complete misallocation of human capital.
I’m beginning to think you haven’t even seen a real fight in your life.
[Keep projecting, kid. - ed.]
Oh, and chuckles, after someone a foot taller than me hit me, I hit him back. And then I got pounded. You would have chosen to be “smart”, I’m sure.
[Oooh, he's calling me "chuckles" now! I must've really pissed him off!]
As another example of a “real” fight… since you are to dishonest to admit that a seven-year old will always be beaten up by a ten year old…….
[Or maybe I don't respond to ludicrously loaded questions.]
A girl I knew boyfriend got beaten up by three guys at one party. Nobody got involved… which was the smart thing. One of the thugs would have gone screaming to a cop, who would have then “used his discretion” to arrest the “bully beater”.
Oh, and her boyfriend DID fight back… as much as someone being beaten by three people at once can.
[Did you always argue this womanly? It's been fun, but I'm bored now. Toodaloo, you tool.]
(Grabs popcorn, takes a comfortable seat, watches with growing interest as two men play “let’s you and me fight”. Complete with chest-pounding, infantile banter, and heart-wrenching anecdotes.)
[Har har har. Anyway, I'm done with Comment_Whatever. His prissy way of playing the victim in every argument he makes is well-known across the Roissysphere. - ed.]
Anyway, I was just popping in to note that Laura10 at the Spearhead deserves the Truth Award for the week:
My mom used to say that if she spanked me first thing in the morning I would be good for the rest of the day. This could apply to a lot of women.
Another thing that needs to be to be acknowledged is that a physical altercation with a man they find attractive is sexually arousing to a woman. I wouldn’t want to get really hurt, but a little bit of a tussle is a turn on. I suspect many women stir the pot for this reason.
Truth. Word up. That’s something that Roissy hasn’t quite caught onto yet, because men don’t understand the urge. Which is that when you see a woman and a man fighting in the street, it’s not just a question of “help or don’t help”. It’s often the case that the woman actually instigated the fight in the hopes that she would get “smacked around a bit”. Really. That’s why she gets angry if you intervene.
He said that back in the 1950s, science was about the most fun a young intelligent man could have.
I’m tempted to argue that the main problem is that the return on investment in getting a degree in science just isn’t there anymore. In other words, up until recently, you can make far more money fooling around with financial markets than by working in a lab. I also suspect that computer science soaked up some of the bright scientists during the 70s, 80s, and 90s as well.
To be honest, why go into a field with no women that doesn’t attract hot women as spouses when you can run a hedge fund and become a millionaire? Why do years of research if one has the social skills to go into big law and make $350K per annum?
I never thought of being a scientist as a nerdy, sissy avocation.
It’s become sissy primarily due to the stereotype of the men involved with it. In college where one meets students going into these fields, one meets highly unattractive nerds and weird looking and smelly foreigners who study all day.
Having men be nurses and women be surgeons is generally a complete misallocation of human capital.
Actually, if men are good doctors, per extrapolation, one could argue that they’d be good nurses as well. Who really wants some distracted nurse that’s thinking about something else entirely?
“Truth. Word up. That’s something that Roissy hasn’t quite caught onto yet, because men don’t understand the urge. Which is that when you see a woman and a man fighting in the street, it’s not just a question of “help or don’t helpâ€. It’s often the case that the woman actually instigated the fight in the hopes that she would get “smacked around a bitâ€. Really. That’s why she gets angry if you intervene.”
I am pretty sure Roissy knows this. We all know it. Roissy is the dark lord, so obviously he knows it.
Well, obviously. As he’s the Dark Lord. Quite right. He might want to spread the news a bit, though, as it might prevent some poor chap from offering to have his face beat in by the boyfriend.
His last article on the subject (and the previous one) didn’t really make that clear. It concentrated on women choosing violent men, not on them actually pushing violent men to act out violently on a certain occasion. Those are two different points. The former makes her a less sympathetic victim, but still a bit of a victim. The latter makes her a co-conspirator in her own beating.
Perhaps we should change his title to He-Who-Should-Not-Be-Named or Satan’s Spawn. It’s better than Chateau, which sounds really gay. I can almost imagine saying it with a hand-flip and a pushed-out hip. Like what-ev-er.
And now I really will get off the freaking computer. I hate summer vacation with a quite and seething desperation. All they want to do is run around in the backyard and play LEGOs all day. I need to get things under control here, or I shall go mad with boredom. If I haven’t already.
not on them actually pushing violent men to act out violently on a certain occasion
That reminds me of my friend’s mother who decided to be a crazy bitch, and instigate situations for her husband to become violent toward her. He could never succumb to that desire to beat her around, and in response, she decided that she needed a divorce. He got the house and kids, but that was a pyrric victory since it was her salary that paid for everything which was one of the reasons for her divorce.
If this is the default operating state for women, it makes being single attractive, and I suspect it’s why closeted gay men felt so miserable in their fake marriages. I also suspect this is why alpha males pump and dump women. You’d have to be an idiot to have to deal with that on a daily basis.
because men don’t understand the urge
Maybe women are just broken. Lilith was probably a better model. :-)
He got the house and kids, but that was a Pyrrhic victory since it was her salary that paid for everything which was one of the reasons for her divorce.
Interesting. Perhaps the skewed intramarital dynamic (from her higher income) was what was driving the constant shit-testing. I’ve read that DV is higher when the husband is unemployed, but I wonder if it’s only male-driven DV, or female-driven DV, as well.
[i]They were alpha types, just like in any other field.[/i]
Uh, of course the top nerd is going to look alpha if you just compare him to the bottom and middle nerds he works with. In the general population they’d be middling-beta at best. But then, if you’re rich the whole alpha-beta thing doesn’t matter so much.
You’d have to be an idiot to have to deal with that on a daily basis.
As if men were always perfectly behaved and never difficult to deal with. Whatever. It must be nice, living on your planet.
Yes, biology gets highly abstract at the higher levels. It can be done in a very simple way, or it can become very complex. It is not just butterfly collecting for low IQ scientists. The systems are immensely complex, and I think a good biologist has to have, or develop, a sort of intuition about living systems and how they work. In the physical sciences, the problems are simple but the solutions are hard. In biology, the problems are very complex, and finding the solution seems to depend on isolating the right part of the problem by a kind of intuition.
I am a good communicator and I can also understand the science. This really helps in my job. My father was a barrister – like what Americans call a “trial attorney” – and I think I inherited his volubility. I think I am a good technical manager because I can quickly understand the practical issues as well as the theoretical, and that I can communicate clearly and simply.
I suppose a good example of the charismatic alpha male scientist was Carl Sagan. Married a couple of hotties. One of his wives was Lynn Margulis, probably one of the very few really top female biologists. I forgot to add earlier that Feynman also eventually married a hottie, as did JD Watson. All good communicators.
As for regularly beating women, Noel Coward had a famous line in one of his plays: “women should be struck regularly – like gongs.” My wife, as I have previously noted, likes to be spanked, but at irregular intervals. She did once ask me to smack her around, but that was years and years ago.
Perhaps the skewed intramarital dynamic (from her higher income) was what was driving the constant shit-testing.
It’s weird because I’m still afraid of this guy. To me he was a scary, mean Jamaican immigrant who’d beat anybody up for the littlest thing. Yet, even he couldn’t bring himself to beat his wife in that situation.
As if men were always perfectly behaved and never difficult to deal with. Whatever. It must be nice, living on your planet.
I’m just a miserable pessimist that’s holding out for some perfect spouse to operate under a perfect condition instead of deal with women as is. Yeah, there are some bad men, but from a male perspective, female behaviour only makes one resent the presence of females. There’s a part of me that just wants to scream out and say, why can’t you be “normal”, with normal really being “man with female sex organs and slutty appearance”.
Well, DA, there are other things besides money. Science is the most fascinating use of a man’s mind that I can imagine. I have nothing against businessmen, being one just didn’t interest me.
The science students I knew were at least of average appearance, except for a possible tendency towards nerdiness among some of the physicists and mathematicians (we didn’t speak of “nerds” in those days – sometimes naming something helps to make the phenomenon more noticeable). But the biochemists and zoologists I studied with were quite attractive and sociable young people. Some of the women were stunning – sexy and trendy young biochemists. I have told my story previously of seeing a middle-aged visiting professor nearly have a stroke when he saw the legs on one girl.
DA, it is a common male fantasy to have a woman with a man’s emotional simplicity and a woman’s body and desires; but they hardly exist. “Game” is a male attempt to get women to behave in a predictable and desirable way. It seems to work, up to a point. But if a woman has PMT or something, there is not much you can do but batten down the hatches and wait for more clement emotional weather.
“[It's a myth that the number of comments is indicative of the popularity of a blog post, as I've witnessed several times. But not in this case. No non-LIGFY post of mine hasn't gotten this many hits since I roasted Richard Hoste. - ed.]”
I actually meant that there are so many comments because this post hit so close to home for some and they are here trying to argue the point with you because they hope it will change the truth of the matter. They are just like feminists who try and argue the reality of sexuality out of existence, which supports the theory that feminists really are the female equivalent of nerds.
“David: Yes, this whole nerd thing bothers me. The top physicists of the 20th century, and the mathematicians, included some very masculine types. Einstein liked the ladies; Von Neumann would today be called a “sexual harasser†and was a real bon viveur. Godel was pretty nerdy, but even he married a nice looking girl, an actress if I recall. Schrodinger cuckolded some other physicist. Dirac was strange, but he was very arrogant (I heard him give a lecture once, and he was not modest.) Oppenheimer liked the good things in life and had plenty of women. Feynman was a devotee of strippers and used to seduced the wives of his graduate students. Gamow had a large personality and was something of a wit. Hoyle was arrogant and opinionated. Pauling was arrogant and I seem to remember that he had sexual escapades. Teller was an alpha male type. And so on.”
Awesome stuff. I did not know this but I already held these men in high esteem and now I have more respect for them ever. Also, did you know Bertrand Russell was a player.
“David: I think being a good scientist, particularly if you can “do the math†as you Americans say, does wonders for the ego. Some of the most arrogant men I have known have been scientists. Many of them are atheists of course, which means they are true masters of the universe, in their own minds, like Sheldon from The Big Bang Theory.”
Back in my worst AFC days I dominated tutorials. Doing so actually gained me female attention. I don’t know whether it was from DHV or what but I could have laid the hottest girl in class if I had known how to fucken escalate after she approached me after class.
Also, brilliant alpha men are turned away from academia and intellegesia because of how feminist it has become. The corruption of the Humanities are the worst. They are enclaves of feminist indoctrination and beta hand wringing. Science is nothing but trivia. Universities are no longer places where the most intelligent men compete against each other and try to push the boundaries of human knowledge and understanding; universities are hideouts from betas and omegas who don’t have the balls to face the world. This perversion of learning begins in high school and is probably a major reason boys couldn’t give a shit about school – because school teaches you nothing that is worth giving a shit about. It really sucks balls because I would love to be a teacher or an academic but I cannot stomach the bullshit that tries to pass itself off as knowledge these days. I’ll stop the rant here.
“Alte: I don’t. I just worry sometimes that I annoy you, and everybody else, who are trying to have some semblance of an intelligent conversation without my constant inane derailments. If it helped your stats, at least I’d have some sort of excuse.”
Women are at their cutest when they act like little children.
“Alte: Biology (and software engineering) has room at the bottom for women, with little need for higher maths.”
‘Most scientists are bean counters and button sorters’ – R.A. Heinlein (The Notebooks of Lazarus Long).
“Alte: DV is higher when the husband is unemployed, but I wonder if it’s only male-driven DV, or female-driven DV, as well.”
If I remember the stat right, most times she starts it and he finishes it.
Actually, I don’t like “players”. Bertrand Russell had “issues”. He fell and hurt his penis quite badly as a boy, which, given his dynastic importance as an aristocrat, was of great concern to his family. And no doubt to little Bertie. I suspect he had some psychosexual need to prove his virility. He used to chase women in a rather abnormal way. He apparently slept with his son’s wife. Dirty old devil.
He was also one of the fathers of modern feminism. Not a man I admire.
Alte is playing dumb. She is actually very intelligent.
Dirac remarked in the lecture I attended that “Schrodinger lacked boldness”, in a disdainful English tone. The only comparable example of such condescension that I can think of would be Wolfgang Pauli’s remark in a seminar: “What Professor Einstein has just said is not so dumb …”
The academic world has been bureaucratised and the charisma routinised (both Weberian terms apply rather well). Once fields have been established by brilliant alpha males, lesser males and females move in. Women follow men in every respect, including intellectually. Once women take over a profession, it is effectively dead. I don’t blame women for this. They have a high need for security, for obvious reasons.
Alpha males flourish in tumultous conditions, on the geographical and intellectual frontiers, in untamed environments. Nietzsche is good on this. He was often writing about the alpha male. “Live dangerously”. Alpha males are transgressive. They are followed by a gaggle of giggling beta males and women, who pose as “transgressive” but who are simply followers.
I don’t want to denigrate useful scholarship. Science and scholarship require their ordinary workers, as well as their brilliant inventive thinkers and synthesisers.
Uh, of course the top nerd is going to look alpha if you just compare him to the bottom and middle nerds he works with. In the general population they’d be middling-beta at best.
Well, of course. If you move people around among different populations, their status will change. The same goes for women.
I suspect high intelligence is part of the “alpha” mix. I am currently reading a Mills&Boon(Sexy) romantic novel for women. The alpha male is a Greek (and therefore licenced to be chauvinistic and old school); young; very handsome; ridiculously rich; a good businessman; about to marry a Swedish model; AND he has a “piercing intellect”.
He has also deflowered the heroine, made her pregnant and dumped her with a son. She eventually goes to work at his home as a sort of maid. Presumably they get married at the end.
Alte is playing dumb. She is actually very intelligent.
No, actually I do sometimes get in these moods where it feels like my brain is melting. Complete flakedom. Then I’m reduced to giggling, teasing, and prancing.
I suspect an estrogen meltdown. It’s best if I just shut up completely or I risk dissolving into hysterics.
Yes, Alte, but you are capable of being intelligent. Nobody is serious all the time. And men have testosterone attacks. I couldn’t think of anything but sex last weekend. This weekend I am feeling much more sensible and scholarly.
This post is such bullshit.
The angry get’s in the way of anything interesting. What are nerds as a phenomenom. According to this post they are such collection of charasteristics that the writer doesn’t like. who are these nerds you don’t like
A lot more interesting would be just quoting DSM-IV personalNity disorders. Or trying to get at something similar or better with this “nerd” concept. But no. It is just some musings in the style of Otto Weininger: just replace the nerd with the word female.
The post has nothing to respond to, except the bullshitness of this post. It might have interesting ideas, but they are drowned in the rhetoric and in the badly defined targets of the “hate”.
[Nice use of scare quotes. It creates the illusion of having a point. - ed.]
OK. I get it. I shouldn’t read this blog, because this is just snark all the way.
Thanks -ed. Maybe I didn’t have a point. But I still don’t get yours. You hate Nerds. But who are nerds, and how are they defined. Are they the Eric S. Raymond and his hordes or who? Where did they hold this nerd-pride parade that you got all worked up about that.
I realise that there are people with poor people skills, and who have born that way. Autistics. There are some who just have an unsuccesfull mix of characteristics. But what is this Nerd phenomenon. If it is true, we should try to define it. Declaring our hate is not enough.
Everyone hates sociopaths. And your definition of nerdism isn’t far from sociopathy. Maybe they are unable to function in normal social occasions. But what then. You advocate ostracising nerds, so they would change their behaviour. How likely is that? Do you think they choose that way? and who are they anyway. You just have post about dissing those unsexy males you dislike. So what.
The fact that my comment are not well articulated doesn’t make your post very good. Please be open to critique. maybe some comments that are not just snark or even a follow-up post.
So this is where all the cool kids sit at lunch?! Man, I’m such a dork, I’ve been over at the goth table this whole time trying to score (look, that one bitch is hot, and I like the black aesthetic, especially when applied to panties, and apparently she has big time daddy issues that I’m more than willing to help her explore. I don’t care how long or how deeply I have to penetrate her in order to massage out her psychic repressions…psychoanalytically speaking of course). Is there a seat open for me. I try real hard to be cool, thats gotta count for something.
And by the way. You might as well amend the title to this post with “Chapter One of a Multi-part Series” (fuck it, lets stay true to the motif, lets call it episode 4), simply because if I wasn’t here to offer my invaluable insight into the nerd-geek-dork triadic personality continuum, this debate can only be considered as a character introduction at best. With that said, I agree with the above astute conclusions, except the ones that came from pussies. Fuck pussies. No one becomes a winner without learning how to deal with losing along the way.
The original Alpha-Geek,
Jabber to the wik-wik-wocky (Maybe I’m an alpha-dork? Whatever, I’m still Alpha.)
Oh, and the geeks will inherit the earth. Jebus or somebody said that, so you know its gotta be true.
“No one becomes a winner without learning how to deal with losing along the way.”
Interesting; I think the nerds Ferd is getting at are the sort who embrace being a loser instead of attempting to become winners.
(look, that one bitch is hot, and I like the black aesthetic, especially when applied to panties, and apparently she has big time daddy issues that I’m more than willing to help her explore. I don’t care how long or how deeply I have to penetrate her in order to massage out her psychic repressions…psychoanalytically speaking of course)
Alpha. I tingled.
LOL.
Women are at their cutest when they act like little children.
Just thought I’d point out that the cuter they are, the more dangerous they are. Or, as Roissy says:
Roissy Maxim #7: The sweeter and more innocent a girl seems, the greater the likelihood she has been in a gangbang.
Corollary: Always assume she is a whore. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.
Interesting; I think the nerds Ferd is getting at are the sort who embrace being a loser instead of attempting to become winners.
I’m tempted to argue that for many nerds, they embrace being a loser because they’re aware that they are incapable of becoming a winner.* Being the best loser possible is our way of saving face and preventing greater embarrassment from losing. For some other nerds, they’re just incapable of being normal because they have little to no interest in normal pursuits.
*See David Alexander and his decision to opt-out and hide from “normal” people due to his lack of a proper white collar middle job and college degree.
Nerds are hot. I only take home nerds with me late night. There I said it. I feel liberated.
Taking home alphas with glasses don’t count.
How does the author know that most white nationalists are nerds when white nationalism is mostly an anonymous, online movement at this time? It’s not like we’re all marching down the streets with funny haircuts, “high water” pants, bow ties and tape around our horn rimmed glasses while chanting “sieg heil!”.
Quite ironic since not too long ago we were considered marginal figures with nary any brain cells to be held up for opprobrium and ridicule on all the television talk shows. Now, after years of deconstructing the ideology of liberals, CON-servatives, black supremacists, jewish supremacists, and all the other wingnuts of the rainbow coalition we’re just too smart for our own good which somehow makes us unyielding and nerdy. Go figure.
“Alte:Just thought I’d point out that the cuter they are, the more dangerous they are. Or, as Roissy says:
Roissy Maxim #7: The sweeter and more innocent a girl seems, the greater the likelihood she has been in a gangbang.
Corollary: Always assume she is a whore. It helps kick the legs out from under the pedestal you will be tempted to put her on, and it is more often than not true.”
Two different things wanteth the true man: danger and diversion. Therefore wanteth he woman, as the most dangerous plaything. – F. Nietzsche
That’s an apt quote, Breeze. I’ve postulated the same thing. Men like danger and being entertained, and women like suffering and being controlled. Cute meets alpha. Have you ever noticed that there’s a strong dichotomy in such pairs? It seems that the more alpha the guy is, the cuter and more feminine the woman. If she’s especially sweet, the guy is probably a total thug.
At any point, I was just thinking about the fact that cute women are especially attractive to men. But many men forget that they’re attractive to most other men, as well. Such women aren’t usually sitting alone and lonely on Friday night, if you know what I mean. And they collect male hangers-on like party favors.
Taking home alphas with glasses don’t count.
LOL. I had the same thought. She’s thinking “nerds” like my husband, or FB. Guys who like computers and math, and stuff.
I’ve got the perfect anecdote to illustrate this. (More trolling and derailing, FB.)
So, we’re on the way to the airport on the Madrid subway line (for railfans out there). My husband is carrying 3 large bags and a laptop case, I’m pulling a small carry-on suitcase and a purse. The typical constellation.
At a gate, we stand still and I accidentally push the handle of my suitcase down and pinch my ring finger. I immediately drop the handle, hold up my hand, and start sniveling, “Oww! I hurt my finger!” My husband runs/stumbles over, grabs my hand, and commiserates, “Wow, you pinched it really bad! That must really hurt.” Then he turned around and proceeded to kick the suitcase, and shout at it in frustration, “Piece of crap! Fucking piece of junk! I’m never buying crap like that again.” (It is a Samsonite.)
Then he looks up at my face, “Oh God. Please don’t cry. Look, I’ll take the suitcase. It’s probably too heavy for you to carry up those stairs over there, anyway.” Husband grabs suitcase and lugs all 4 of them up a long flight of stairs. I trail along behind him, cradling my horribly injured, little hand, and bravely trying to hold back the tears.
We get to the top of the stairs and are waiting for the train. Then he looks over at me, standing there, examining my finger. Then he looks down at himself, drenched in sweat, red-faced, and surrounded by a pile of suitcases. “That finger hurt really bad, huh?” “Yes, thank you Sweety.”
He started laughing hysterically, “You are one dangerous broad. And I am completely pussy-whipped. See, if I had been thinking clearly, I would have said, ‘If you hurt that hand, than carry it with the other hand.’ Instead, you whimper a bit, and I turn into a freaking pack animal.”
“But it did really hurt!”
“I’m sure it did.
This is probably how vigilante justice happens. Some sweet young thing says, ‘That big bad man over there hurt me.’ and they all go run for a rope to hang him with. No questions asked. Sheesh. Women should come with a warning label.”
In my defense, it did hurt really bad! Being pinched is dreadful, sort of like a paper cut. I took over pulling the suitcase afterward.
But I couldn’t help thinking, “Wow, that suitcase got torn up. Imagine if that had been somebody’s spleen.”
Oh, I have another anecdote!
We’re in Madrid (again) and I had gone shoe shopping. (Madrid has a really great collection of shoe stores, by the way.) At any rate, we go shoe shopping, and I put on the new shoes, and have the older shoes put in a bag to take with me. Then we go out for dinner, and I accidentally leave the bag with the old shoes at the table when we leave.
We pass by the same tapas bar the next evening, and I point out to my husband that I should go inside and ask about the shoes. He waits in front of the window, while I go in.
I walk up to the counter and stand demurely off to the side. One of the guys behind the counter walks over (ignoring the people waiting in line at the register) to ask me what I need. So, I tell him that I’m looking for my shoes that I left outside the evening before.
He starts looking around the restaurant, opening closets, ruffling through coats, and even starts opening up the shopping bags of this little old lady sitting at a table near us (that wasn’t even logical). Then — get this — his manager, who was still behind the counter, also walks over and demands an explanation. So we tell him that I’d lost my shoes, and he suggests that they both go downstairs and look in the basement.
I didn’t really care that much for those shoes, so I insist that they don’t trouble themselves. But it’s no trouble, and off they go! I stand there, listening to them rummage through boxes, and comb through shelves downstairs, while their customers stand in line at the counter, getting very impatient. They come back upstairs, quite dejected at not having found my shoes anywhere. I thank them for their trouble, feeling a bit bewildered, and then leave the restaurant and rejoin my husband.
He looks at me coolly for a moment, and then says, “That was the most ridiculous thing I’ve seen in a while. They both left an open register to go hunt for your stupid shoes. They should be fired.
We should go to the rest of the restaurants on the block and see if it works the same way.” Then he cracks up laughing, but he still looked a bit angry.
Even women find this sort of reaction a bit surprising. Whenever something like that happens, I feel like I’ve entered The Twilight Zone.
Okay, now you can all yell at me and stuff.
So, we’re on the way to the airport on the Madrid subway line (for railfans out there).
Line 8. Even annoying vapid girls have their moments. :-)
Also, male feminists are overwhelmingly nerds – see pansies like Hugo Schwyzer
Hugo Schwyzer is a serious alpha who has been married four or five times and was voted “sexiest college professor in America” or something like that. He does way better with women than Roissy ever did or could. He probably just settled down into marriage and feminist prostelytizing because he got burned out on all the drama his playboy lifestyle was creating. (Probably has a strong romantic streak as well, as evidenced by marrying all those women).
Alte’s husband sounds kind of dorky. Or maybe she sounds airheaded, hard to tell when it is one person doing the describing.
[You're even lamer than Keith. - ed.]
Whatsa matter? You threatened by Hugo Schwyzer’s sexual prowess? He is annoying, but you can tell just from his writing how well he sustains his frame.
[Your sarcastic attempt to pass off a vegetarian Episcopalian feminist herb as an alpha bores me. You'll need to up your game if you want to keep me interested. - ed.]
I like the part where manly men have pillowfights but can’t take bombs being dropped on them. Normal people are predictable, boring, and are easily replaceable if you care about a social circle, which is why I love dropping the nuclear bomb and seeing how they react. It’s like prodding a test animal.
As a woman who studies computer science, goes to an anime club regularely, occationally cosplays, watches scifi, enjoys coding, larping and going to retro game conventions, I find your view erronous, to say the least.
While it is true that there are more people with social problems among nerds, nerds – gasp – are normal people. Contrary to the picture you paint of monster-like creatures or parasites of society, I have found the nerd community most welcoming, kind and creative.
What you speak of applies perhaps partially to the most extreme minority of geeks with a behavior-altering syndrome, who knows. Instead of labeling nerd activities as strange just because other people don’t do them, let’s have a look at them.
Coding
Coding is about creating something new, a do-it-yourself approach to software. Some people do their own food, build their own houses and some people just make their own software.
Roleplaying
Roleplaying is one step further of reading books. It’s actually similar to writing one – with your friends! A group of friends get together for some fun. They create an adventure and everyone contributes to the story.
Cosplay
Many people are concerned that the youth is not learning to do handcrafts, that the ability is disappearing. Cosplay practically forces people to learn how to use the sewing machine and how to make clothes. While some people go to costume parties, cosplayers just pick their clothes from games or anime and go to cosplay conventions. Again, this encourages an active do-it-yourself approach to hobbies
Anime clubs
Well, this is an easy one. If you’re interested in movies, don’t you want to hang out with other people who like movies? Similarily, if you like a specific type of cartoons or comics, don’t you want to hang with other similar people?
I for one am thrilled if I encounter someone who’s so much into coding that they spend everyday hours doing it. I know the thrill when the program finally works. Just like playing a game. You know the rules and you just have to combine them to get where you want.
Nerds ARE normal people. In many activities a rational mind is needed to be good at it, as in coding. Yes, but I fail to see the problem. I really would not date a non-nerd man. A non-nerd wouldn’t just be interested in the same things as me.
At first I thought you were making a sarcastic post. That you were actually talking about some other group of people and you’d reveal it at the end of the post. Slowly I was convinced that you actually wrote about nerds, that’s how little the characteristics applied to my experiences with nerds.
Strong flame-bait language, hilarious generalization and face-palm inducing deduction. So why do I like this post? Trust me, I have first hand, personal experience with nerdiness, and this parts of this text reflects a lot of my insights.
Bullying and aggression is not cool, though. Let people be themselves and they might not be so nerdily defensive about avoiding growing up.
IS it True that ppl we call “nerds” in high school turn out to become CEO in the future and those who laugh/tease at nerd work at McDonald? cos i personally think it’s a bull**** that nerds came up with just to feel good. But my history teacher and my nerdy friend said this exact same thing. Don’t be offended if you are a nerd or a non-nerd, it’s jst my opinion.
So you hate people who have symptoms of Autism spectrum disorders, thats… great. I’m new to this blog so I don’t really know your normal tone, but I hope to god this whole post is intended to be at least semi farcical. I honestly hope I’m just being too “nerdy” to pick up on the subtleties of your argument here. Prodding nerds into examining their lifestyles via overblown language is one thing(even if the end result is of questionable taste), but if you honestly believe and advocate the things your’re saying here I pity you.
so your pretty much stating the obvious here, but what you don’t seem to get is that being a “nerd” is not limited playing video games d and d computers and card games. any form of obsession that effects your mental and physical self is a form of “nerdism”. ive noticed this in a wide range of people. from jocks who are so obsessed with playing sports that they put little to no effort in anything else.
if they don’t make it into the world of professional sports they end up with nothing. working a grocery store as a stock “boy” and the age of 35. sure they get a girl but that girl tends to be an overweight angry hateful person. yes sometimes they luck out and get a job at a factory but they still end up with same fat bitchy wife and they continue to eat their steak and beer and end up with collin cancer. (they pretty much peeking high school and thats that. this doesnt mean that the “gamming” nerd is any better (no way in hell)being obsessive at the expense of ones self is a bad idea no matter what you obsess about. i would not call my self a nerd im in very good shape and i enjoy a wide range of activities. I have no trouble finding women but I also enjoy playing video games from time to time and i do own pretty fancy computer.
at the same time i would not call myself a jock i’m pretty tall ,I like sports , (playing them not watching them ) I do drink but I don’t “party in my back yard” every Friday belching and farting out loud . I have no trouble getting women. but I don’t fuck everything that moves.
what im getting at here is that you yourself seem very much like the type of nerd you are describing. you insist on hating and attacking others. and you use terms like “retard” (not that im offended) it just seems that your a very angry person. and for some reason people you consider nerds have done or said something to make you angry and this is most likely why you are lashing out. don’t take this comment as an insult i’m just saying if you truly find your self ‘cool” then threes no need to attack anyone else to make your self seem or feel more cool.
think about it this way if a lion is full and happy with him self sitting under a tree and a turtle walks by he won’t even give it a second glance (trust me i took my kids to zoo and the lions don’t really pay attention to you. but a little dog hears a branch fall and he freaks out and bite the nearest living thing. now getting back to the traditional nerd, body type does have allot to do with it and im not just talking abotu being in good shape a taller nerd will get more girls (of course being taller helps if your a nerd or not , just like a woman with a curvy body (nerd or not) can get more guys . yes its true even “normal guys ” would enjoy having a girl with big tits and a great ass and they try their hardest to get one . but they are more then happy be with a wide range of other types of girls as well (flavors of ice cream and all).
and finally (yes im almost finished hahaha) there is such a thing as a fully tradionaly female nerd (just as nerdy as the males . it is true there tends to be less of them. but none the less they still exsist and sit in their rooms playing online games religiously. these girls are rare and tend to be snatched up by the first nerd man that they encounter and because they feel so insucure . they stay with the first guy for fear of not finding anyone else. but once again the same thing happens with any other obessed social group. alcoholics party goers for example . drink party puke hangover go to work for a week repeat.
in the end obessing =bad taking to many risks bad. taking no risks =bad. balance is the key and no amount of “bullying” is ever gonna change that. be careful because that nerd you hate might just end up being friends with a fairly buff (for alck of a better word) “cool” guy. or he might just end up being a fat 6,5 350lb guy. now of course your gonna come up with some snarky nerdy comeback. but once again this is not meant as an attack on you. its just clearing somethings up so other people don’t get fooled into living the “bullys ” life. if you live by the sword you shall die by the sword (yeah i know where thats from , its still makes sence)
Nerds are superior, you are inferior. We are the alpha and the omega!
When we develop transdimensional technology and slide out of this crappy world and into a paralell earth you all be stuck here with your low IQs and eventually breed yourself into extinction.
Stereotypes ? I am intelligent, I get the best grades in college and I can run do lots of pushups and pass any PT.
How is a take back the night rally designed to disenfranchise men? I thought it was about not getting raped.
This article is pretty lame flame bait. The author is clearly a nerd with a self-loathing complex; who else would write such an obsessive detailed article. This is a clear case of projection. Or he’s just trolling. Doesn’t really matter which.
But don’t worry, there’s hope. I’m sure there’s some kind of reforming nerd club where membership entails being beat-up any time you show signs of thinking. The author should join.
Oh, I forgot, the ‘ed’ is also a complete fuckwit.
Lame blog, loser!!!!
Captain Reality signing off.
Blogs really are a pseudo-intellectual’s playground.
This reminds me why i’m a misanthrope. The sheer number of logical fallacies in this article make me wonder if this was written by a troglodyte.
In your article you didn’t describe nerds at all. You must be just jealous on them and only thing you are doing is spreading this hate because you know they are better than you. Wake up and stop trolling.
To quote an early part of your article:
“Fuck you.”
So, you think you’re cool because you propose that adults give other adults wedges and assault them physically? Your idea of tolerance is so far from reality that you couldn’t possibly be a cool kid. Pretty much all cool kids – by the time they reach their twenties – have developed enough tolerance to do their own thing and not care about what “nerds” do. My theory is that you’re a nerd who’s become a wannabe “cool kid” over the years, and now you think you understand why you were picked on and are attempting to justify it. You also are just as socially retarded as you claim nerds are.
” The reason why many PUAs and seduction gurus can’t keep girlfriends is because their obsession with sarging impedes their ability to improve other social skills with women.”
Are you seriously insisting that PUA’s are nerds? You obviously have no clue and were stuffed into many lockers…do you even know what a nerd is? Seriously.
Once safely ensconced in his chosen clique, a nerd becomes slavishly devoted to upholding the myths and pretty lies of his overlords, no matter how stupid they may be. Dissent is only permissible within a narrow Chomsky-esque range – leave it, and not only will the nerds throw you under the bus, they’ll back over your body repeatedly to make sure you’re dead.
What the hell are you on about? Myths and petty lies of his overlords? What overlords? You mean comformists/jocks in high school? That only lasts a bit and isn’t always that bad. Oh, and normal guys get bullied too. I like how you call these people overlords. I also like how you call the stuff that is said by such “overlords” lies and myths. You mean like the ones your spouting here? You really were a nerd in school…stop denying it.
“Also, male feminists are overwhelmingly nerds – see pansies like Hugo Schwyzer and Barry “Ampersand†Deutsch. I’ll quote myself again on those most loathsome of creatures:”
Ummm..you do know that a feminist is simply one that simply agrees that equal opportunity for women is a good thing..?? To deny that would make you the equivolent of a flat-earther or geocentrist.Yeah..you’re really cool buddy. More like you’re an antisocial dipshit with no life who rants on about how we should all beat up the nerds and make them comform…but you are not comforming so I guess we would have to start with you.
“It’s worth noting that nerdiness is largely unique to the male of the species. Having hung out with and dated nerdettes, I can say that there is no female nerd on Earth who can match her male counterpart in social tone-deafness.”
Dude, seriously? I’ve met female nerds…they may be slightly more socially adept overall with others but they are still uncool and akward and have weird ideas. That’s okay..I’m cool with uncool people. You, on the other hand are the very thing you claim to hate so much. Need more proof? You say here that nerds manginas and male feminists are nerds…yet if this last quote isn’t the biggest case of a nerd kissing female ass I’ve ever seen….like..seriously, dude – you’re not a feminist – you’re a female worshiper! For fucks sake.
“Throughout history, the physical beatdowns and social shaming of their peers taught nerds to normalize their behavior well before adulthood. There’s no better way to learn that picking your nose in class isn’t apropos then everyone around you calling you a disgusting loser. Because young children haven’t yet been indoctrinated with the social mores and “anti-judgmental†and “tolerant†propaganda of adults, they are utterly shameless and ruthless about ostracizing nerds from the herd. Unfortunately, the rise of anti-bullying programs, zero-tolerance policies for such things as bringing anything resembling a gun onto school property, and a culture of encouraging kids to run crying to their teachers, principals, or parents whenever they get their poor widdle feewings hurt have allowed nerdiness to grow out of control.”
“It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more. We guys can give them wedgies and swirlies, and you gals can wound their souls with cruel, cutting remarks about their fashion sense, hygiene and overall creepiness. The future of the world depends on your willingness to break the hearts and spirits of the socially retarded. Are you game?”
omfg…you seriously think that REAL cool people have time for this shit or have any desire to go around giving “nerds” weggies? You really are socially unaware. Shit, if it wasn’t for all of the serious replies to your critics, I would think this was all satire. You can’t seriously believe your own bullshit.
In the end..only wannabe cool kids/jocks behave this way after the age of 17 or so. I was morbidly obese in high school but I still managed to avoid the “nerd” crowd. I was a druggie instead. I guess that places me above “nerd” on the cool list but definately below jock or prep. I never got recognition from those higher up the social ladder but I never got shit either? You know why? It had nothing to do with tolerance. It has to do with the fact that cool kids only spend time on something worthwile. And quite frankly, they could care less what nerds do with their lives. They just wanna do their thing. Sure, they might jokingly tease now and then but they do that to eachother too. No big deal. The only problem I’ve had at college is when I try to socialize with nerds who are trying desperately to become cool but have no idea what coolness is all about.
Look..I used to live with a jock. He was my uncle. He didn’t care if you were nerdy or not, his focus was specifically on success in life. Real cool people are driven to succeed and are focused on themselves. I know, because I learned to become “cool”. I got into football and basketball and music. Right now I am trying to hang with these nerds who all act like scared little kids in front of me. They all say I am normal and refuse to believe I am a nerd. Well, the truth is…I learned how to be cool but I am a nerd by nature. I understand both sides of the coin – and I can tell you – you couldn’t be more off on your understanding of what it means to be “cool”.
Only a socially unaware doofus would propose this behavior. If you actually did this, you would either get sued from now until eternity, end up in jail, or both.
What a wonderful article–just what I was looking for. I had my old job practically ruined by the machinations of a nerd “colleague,” and I simply can’t stand these social outcasts who refuse to grow up. These losers become office gossips, snitches, tattletales, and all-around pains in the ass. The harder they try to get others to like them, the more they fail with their inherent despicability.
This blog is a epitome of anti-intellectualism! The person who wrote this blog supports the New World Order and the psuedo pop culture machine. What did the leaders of Communist and Facists despotic regimes do? They killed all the smart people! Anyone who critically thinks is considered a geek or a nerd. Maybe even a terrorist? What the establishment wants is obiedient, dumb downed and mindless sheeple. As long as people are worshipping Hollywood stars, watching reality TV, dry fuckin’ on a dance floor, fist pumping and playing ball games no one can question the establishment. Nerds and smart people took us out of the dark ages into the Renaissance and created the scientific method. Fuck You!!!!!!! The answer to 1984 is 1776! Pol Pot killed nearly a million nerds and Mao did the same thing in the Cultural Revolution. Fuck you jock!!!! I bet you worship Hitler! I bet you’re a Right wing Republican who loves Ann Coulter, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, war and death in the name of Judeo Christian values. Eat Shit you asshole!!!! Humanity will defeat you! Kindness and intelligence are out truly allie. Long live Carl Sagan, Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson, Richard Dawkins, Stephen Hawkin and Albert Einstein!!
Just because you talk fancy and spell perfectly does not always mean you’re a nerd. You could be a gentle man, prep, geek, dork, or even something random like a low class punk who just knows how to type well. We all are only what WE choose to be. As long as we prove it by fitting MOST of the stereo type.
Like I can’t call myself a geek or a nerd and type “liiike thiise” or say I hate fiction movies, I hate science, I hate classical or techno music, I hate reading, I hate video games, I hate respecting women, or hate almost anything a real nerd likes, or likes to do. I’m acting more like a “cool kid” then, or some other kind of person.
Also, most of the only people who support MRA or anything against “so called feminism which is really Chivalry” are a bunch of low class bums and lawless rebels all usually younger than 59 years of age. Who despise women, gentlemen, nerds, or anyone with class who upholds women or has an old school view of women. They also think old school is on their side, only because women didn’t have as much rights back then. They don’t even know what Chivalry even is. They are dumber than jocks.
It’s funny how you’re adamantly insistent on defining “nerd” and “geek” here. Thirty-odd years ago the same things would be said about them, but the words would be switched. After all, a “geek” used to be the old drunk who bit the heads off chickens as “the brute man from Borneo” or some such, for enough scratch to buy one more bottle of rotgut, and so calling someone a “geek” was not positive.
Words are seductive but fickle mistresses, especially the English.
Did anyone else understand that the purpose of this article was to see if anyone would get butthurt over it? If they do, then they are certainly nerds. I liked this article.
The fact that this article uses almost meaningless ambiguous language for “nerd” is purposely done. This is the reason why I like this article so much.
It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more.
You aren’t smart enough.
This was definitely the most interesting read the whole week! You make many good points. I can see you put a lot of research and hard work into writing this post… and that brings me to my next point.
You sure have submerged into the world of nerds and you seem very passionate about this particular subject. Almost obsessively passionate. Are you certain your rage is not bubbling from the fact you are a nerd yourself, only very deeply in denial and the phobia you seem to have is only a byproduct of being one yourself? Having to deny the one characteristic that defines your very being and worth as a person and I believe, must be very frustrating and tiring. Knowing every time you raise your hand your fingers automatically will spread into the vulcan salute, loathing your own high IQ, having to hide it from the general public (especially the girls) by pretending you’re just another butt-for-brains regular joe. You’re doing a great job so far and if directing your need to obsess over a subject and the burning rage you have inside of you can be subdued by angry rants such as this keep it up and maybe someday, somehow, you will be able to live your life as a normal respectable human being and even believe you’re one yourself. However, do be careful about letting your intelligence show, or jig’ll be up and others such as me will notice you’re just a plain ol’ nerd. I’d suggest maybe using the word “like” some more and perhaps introducing yourself to chat speak, the language of the teenagers of the 21st century. If these options seem appalling, maybe just a few grammatical errors and spelling mistakes will do.
Keep strong brotha, you’re not alone!
(P.S. Don’t worry, your secret is safe with me. You can stay safely tucked in the back of the closet with your inner nerdom, as well as your obsessions with white nationalism, social structures and alpha males. Now, someone might draw further deductions from there, but those shall remain discussed between you and your psychiatrist.)
Seriously, where do autistic males fit into this? Are you suggesting that we torment those whose only crime was being born with a developmental disorder?
Pretending to be smart.
This article is repulsive ( by the way those are a C and an L). I wish I had never stumbled upon such trash as this.
I do not see why you would write about this, but then again you are entitles to your own opinion. By the way, I agree with Ben F. Dower… once again WOW, I am shocked that there are people who think like this and even worse those who agree and follow these people
entitled
Bravo Mr.Dower!
I agree with this article, but only for those over 21 or so who still cling nerd-dom in a desperate attempt to seem quircky. The teenagers who get picked on are simply lost and need help.
I find this a bit offensive. I looked this up because i thought it would be a bit of fun, but this is a serious attack on what is basically an entire “race” (not really, but for the sake of simplicity, lets call the intelligencia a race). I am a nerd, but the fact that I have an IQ in the genius range (157 on the 0-200 scale) does not prevent me from loving to socialise with friends, playing sports (squash and race-rowing) and basically being otherwise awesome.
sorry, back again. three things:
1. Loving the grammer jock-type guys. Way to make your almost-illegible points ;) .
2. After carefully re-reading this, I have concluded the writer has some kind of major and aggressively anti-social complex that is causing him to do what I call “subconscious scapegoating” (not an actual technical term that I know of). He has some kind of major issue that he has not been able cope with so, subconsciously, he has designed an entire system whereby one race (the intelligencia; I personally object to the word nerd, it’s an unpleasant perjorative that is popularised by the media) is responsible for all the faults that this individual has with society.
In this case, I would estimate that his major issue is that he feels alone and defensive, because the parts of his life he had previously deemed an ‘everyman’ type position are now being filled by people that are more qualified or more intelligent. For example, he could feel that all the sexually attractive women are being attracted themselves to people who are of higher intelligence or qualifications, like doctors and lawyers, people the writer has unceremoniously deemed ‘nerds’ (I’m going to point out that these people very commonly have awesome lives). This may explain his serious accusation that women find nerdiness “as attractive as rape”; he feels threatened and has lashed out by convincing himself that all women hate nerds and that “true nerd women” are all of the sit-in-the-basement-playing -computer-games variety.
In short, get help random-internet-hate-crime-rant-guy
I couldn’t agree with you more!!!
“Nerds live in a world where everything is either/or. If you’re not with them, you’re with their enemies.”
LOL Really? I’m a nerd, I love anime, math, & video games, & I have friends of all social groups.
“Nerds are herd conformists.”
LOL I highly doubt it. Most people are nerds usually because they HATE conformists. You probably know them. They’re the kids that think popularity means everything. Compare the number of nerds to the number of popular kids & then tell me who’s the “herd conformists”. I think you’ll find conformists to be the popular kids
“Nerds are lazy and cowardly.”
LOL Lazy? Perhaps I am. Like alot of math majors & computer programmers, I like to make code that allows me to type less (of course you wouldn’t understand this concept unless you actually a programming class). I’m lazy because it save me time & because I work better under pressure. But cowardly? Hell no! I stand up for myself. A few popular kids in grade had to learn that lesson the hard way. If there’s a chance, & the outcome is worth fighting for, you better believe I’ll take it.
“male feminists are overwhelmingly nerds”
LOL Actually, I’m a nerd & absolutely HATE feminists. Based on my experience, they don’t give a fuck if it’s a guy who gets rape or abused by a woman, they think all us men are the same.
“Nerds are also ignorant of context and take everything literally.”
I’ll admit I am guilty of this. But thanks to the Internet, I have learn how to tell the difference between sarcasm & trolling.
“Because nerds reject aesthetics and coolness, nerd-led groups, ideologies, and movements never expand beyond the non-nerdy part of the population.”
You wanna know why we reject those stuff? Because cool kids (pops) such as yourself act like complete assholes because we have different taste. I’m sorry I’m not into High School Musical, I’m sorry my favorite band is Daft Punk & not Miley Cyrus. I’m sorry I like video games & not Football. Just because we have different interests doesn’t give you an excuse to treat us like an asshole. You’re popular. We get it already. What else you got? One of the reasons I can’t stand the populars (cool kids) is because they think they’re better than everyone else just because they know more people or have more friends. I don’t mind the populars who are nice & don’t care that they are popular, but there are so few of those nowadays. I’ll admit I don’t have many friends, but that is really because hardly anyone knows me. I’ll admit I’m socially awkward, but just because I don’t have very many friends does not mean I’m not a good friend. Besides, I’ve been told it’s better to have a few friends rather than a ton of friends. Quality over Quantity is the lesson here.
“It is time for we, the cool kids, to descend upon the nerds and make their lives miserable once more.”
Now that’s gonna get you nowhere
Your name is Ferdinand and you’re dissing on the nerds? Ahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! Dude that’s the pot calling the kettle black ain’t it?
This was the most biased and stereotypical thing I’ve ever read. Not all nerds are socially awkward
“male feminists are overwhelmingly nerds”
Actually.. most white knights and Chivalrous men are nerds. And Chivalrous men are the kind of men who treat women better than themselves or anyone else. MOST classic stereo type nerds kind of act the same way around women. They are real gentlemen around women when ever they get a chance to talk to them. Usually when ever they are hiding from women, they are really hiding in there rooms masterbating about cartoon women they seen from off an anime show or a video game.
feminism was never once about treating women better than men, if any of you above me thought it is… then you really must be a jock.
M.R.A’s are feminists, and there is nothing anti feminist about equality.
hahaha. i read all the comments here and no one seemed to throw a punch back at you. gee, i should write a fukkin article about how so called mainstream, popular, jocks, thugs, bad boys etc. are fukkinn idiots and why we are justified to hate them. yes, some of the things you say are true, which give nerds a bad name. not all nerds are “pussies” and “herds” and “gameless manginas”. anyways, im a nerd and i see the fucked up shit that is happening in ameriKKKa today. yeah yeah yeah, youre gonna tell me to “get the fuck out of this country”. i was born here. i now enough history by reading books and talking to family members and older friends. this country is nothing what it was like as it was going back to before 20 years ago. i’ll tell you what i see is wrong in western society. i see textaholics everywhere. texting is something id rather not do. people would rather text than actually socialize. you try to talk to someone and they would rather be on their iphones texting and going on facebook. i know a lot of nerds do this but so does everybody else. take these fuckin phones away and watch what will happen. ill leave you to guess. another thing i see so messed up is how people react when their favorite sports teams lose. they act like its the end of the world. i mean really??? how about dating. it seems like you need some special formula now to seduce some woman just to get a person in your life. pick up artist bullshit. telling men to change and be fake just to get a person into their lives. improve yourself to become your better self but dont be fake. real, intelligent, self respecting women like men who are true to themselves. if it werent for nerds, you would not be typing this article would you? you needed a computer to do this right? you talk about nerds getting too deep into their interests. my interests such as art, music, philosophy, and science are meaningful to me. art and music is making beauty. science is explaining the world we live in. philosophy is to interpret many aspects of life. i find that alot more interesting than watching sports, tweeting all day, texting, getting drunk, banging random women,ridiculing people who are different etc. the problem with the so called “normal” people like you is you only care about yourselves. you dont care about the world around you and trying to make it better. you are conditioned to follow the “survival of the fittest” model. or can i say the survival of the assholes model. oh, and as far as being “manginas” with women, i am by all means respectful to women but i do not put them high on a pedestal and make them out to be more or less than what they really are which is a human being. if a woman cant like me for who i am, im frikkin done. move on. so, feel free to write me anytime, but until then enjoy your life.
Asswipe Nerds lol
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This may be one of the dumbest crock of shit I’ve ever read. What do ya know I’m a thin fairly good looking geeky nerd GIRL. I’m social and so are my geeky friends. Everyone knows that geek is the new cool! Its pretty much a scientific fact, way to be outdated. Anyone who is not somewhat nerdy or geeky is boring and original.
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