Alone among prejudices, anti-Semitism makes total and complete morons out of its adherents. With the notable exceptions of Hunter Wallace and the crew at Occidental Dissent, just about every anti-Semite I’ve read on the Internet is two whips short of a BDSM kit. I think the hysterical, fact-free nature of anti-Semitism is part of the problem. People who hate or distrust blacks/NAMs at least have the facts on their side – Jew-haters have to make stuff up about conspiracies to take control of the world and deracinate white people in order to justify their paranoia. When someone comes along to debunk their idiocy with cold, hard facts, they attack them in the most insane ways possible. This is why I don’t bother arguing about the Jews with anti-Semites – it’s as productive as arguing with Truthers about 9/11.
But as much as I try to avoid the crazies, they keep popping up in my Google Reader. Today we have Richard Hoste (which rhymes with “post,” as in “God, not another retarded post from Richard Hoste.”), who blogs at HBD Books and is the editor of the HBD blog at Alternative Right. I’ve been reading Hoste since he began blogging last year and I was a frequent commenter at HBD Books when I first started In Mala Fide last summer. A blog devoted to reviews of books pertaining to human biodiversity – how could any thought-criminal NOT be interested? But slowly, as the book reviews faded away, Hoste’s facade crumbled, revealing him to be a fifth-rate white nationalist trying to use HBD to lend credence to his dribblings.
Despite my opposition to white nationalism, I don’t mind intelligent writings on the subject, but Hoste is a complete fucktard who’s making his cause look bad. The seed of doubt was first planted by this post, in which he wrote this beyond ignorant statement:
It seems to me that children, the elderly, most women and hardworking law abiding males are better off under Islam. Who does the Western system benefit? Whores, homosexuals, Roissys and alpha thugs. It’s hard to see what’s worth defending there.
Just about everyone, including me, jumped on him for that, and he was forced to recant in the next post. But then Hoste managed to dig his hole deeper with this remark at Lawrence Auster’s site:
About 17,000 Americans are murdered a year. Twice that many die in car accidents. Let’s say 50,000 people a year die in car accidents or the result of crime.
3,000 people died in 9/11.
If we had had a a 9/11 every two years, it would cause 1,500 deaths a year. It would still be an insignificant problem compared to street crime and motor accidents.
This is why I agree with you when you rally against black and Mestizo crime, but not when you get upset about terrorism.. It’s simply not a significant problem, even if you consider a 9/11 or so a year a worst case scenario (I’m not counting the people injured or economic costs, but then again I’m not counting crimes besides murder either in our comparison).
By all means profile and all that, but this should be near the bottom of our list of concerns.
Auster referred to Hoste’s comment as “spectacularly perverse and delusional,” and he’s dead right. There’s a bit of a difference between random acts of violence and an act of ideological violence, of which 9/11 was the latter. Not to mention that Hoste’s stupidity gave Auster another excuse to rehash his tired, childish rants on nihilism and materialism.
But now, Hoste has dropped the straw that broke this writer’s back. In a post entitled “Will Auster Call for Separation from Judaism?“, Hoste posts this quote from Lawrence Auster:
Let us also point out that notwithstanding Pipes’s handwringing about the disengagement of Muslims from the West, the Muslims who are already in the West, and particularly in Europe, are more numerous, more in our face, and more threatening than ever, as shown by the fearful response of most Western media and governments to the cartoon jihad. Which means that the real disengagement, the disengagement of Muslims in the West from the West, the disengagement upon which our very civilizational survival depends, has yet to begin.
Hoste then excerpts this story from the Jerusalem Post:
BERLIN – The Israeli Embassy in Germany on Friday rebuked the public prosecutor’s office in Cologne for allowing a public exhibit named “Wailing Wall†that features a cartoon it says encourages “hatred and violence†against Jews and the State of Israel.
“If one shows a figure with an Israeli flag devouring a Palestinian child, this reminds us of the most scurrilous accusations of ritual murder in European anti-Semitism,†the embassy said in a statement. “Immediately after Israel’s national Holocaust Remembrance Day, a German prosecutor gave Israel-haters a shot in the arm.â€
The implication is that Auster is a hypocrite for saying that Muslims should be removed from the West because of the furor over the Muhammad cartoons, but not for supporting the removal of the Jews because of this little incident. Ponder the utter boneheadedness of this idea. Let it sink into your brain like marinade on a freshly grilled steak. Hoste is equating an Israeli embassy’s single, solitary complaint over a cartoon with the entire Muslim world holding protests, making death threats, and generally going apeshit over a cartoon. I apologize for lowering your IQ by several points.
To their credit, Hoste’s own commenters are kicking his ass for this, and Auster has responded with his own post. But really, the damage is done. Hoste has ridden the accolades and support of his fellow bloggers to a position of prominence in the right-o-sphere, where he can twist the science of HBD to support his loathsome views. The only thing that’s saving us is his sheer incompetence, exemplified in responses such as this:
I would much rather have a people that seeks to kill those who offend them than a people that works behind the scenes to get you thrown in jail for opinions. The first are open and honest enemies of your civilization and inspire people to fight back, the second enlist your children in the cause of “fighting hate†as they destroy you in the name of love and tolerance.
Uh, yeah.
And while I’m at it, here’s another thing about Hoste that mystifies me. When he first began writing, Hoste claimed to be a graduate student in anthropology. Last year though, a commenter at Half Sigma’s challenged him on this claim, and he promptly deleted all references to it on his blog. Another commenter at Gucci Little Piggy noted that Hoste’s writings show little to no knowledge of anthropology, especially not at the graduate level. I’m frankly shocked that no one else has called Hoste out on this – even if he wasn’t already the short bus rider of HBD bloggers, this punches a HUGE hole in his credibility.
This allows me to segue into another thing that blasts anti-Semites’ credibility into pieces – their inability to be intellectually consistent when it comes to the Jews. Let’s take the question of Israel as an example. Just about every paleocon Jew-baiter loves to kvetch about how those evil Israelis are war criminals and how they’re violating the human rights of the Palestinians. It’s quite amusing to see the likes of Pat Buchanan and Taki Theodoracopulos, who couldn’t give a shit about the human rights of any other group of darkies on the earth, turn into weepy, bleeding heart liberals when it comes to the Palestinians. I could understand it if the Palestinians were of European extraction, but so far as I can tell, they basically look like garden variety Arabs. From the perspective of a racist, the Palestinians are just another group of sand-niggers, so why do they get so much love from the Jew-haters? Answer: these sand-niggers are a stick with which the anti-Semites can beat the Jews. The Undiscovered Jew brought this issue up at Half Sigma’s recently.
The other interesting thing about anti-Semites is just how fearful they are of Jews. When it comes to black people, racists hate them and view them with disdain, but anti-Semites live in perpetual paranoia that agents of ZOG will come to murder them in their sleep, or maybe put the sheeny curse on them:
For an example of this in action, see this post at Occidental Dissent. I don’t want to beat up on that site too much, because the bloggers there are smart, rational people (save for that insufferable mangina Matt Parrott/Wikitopian), but their commentariat is batshit insane. Those idiots think that Roissy Chateau is a Jew, Mystery is a Jew, and game is a Jewish strategy to destroy the white race, among other things. I’m surprised they haven’t accused me of being a Jew (for now I’ll just have to be content with being a “sexual pervert” and “moral degenerate”). Everything bad in the world is the fault of the Jews, according to these whackjobs. They’re like the proverbial elephant running scared at the sight of a mouse, and they wonder why white nationalism isn’t going anywhere. (And for those keeping score, the Denise who wrote the post is the same Denise who I remarked on here.)
I could go on and on, but you get the point. I find it increasingly difficult to take anti-Semites seriously. While I acknowledge that some Jews have had a deleterious influence on Western culture and society (most notably when it comes to feminism), the idea that the whole of Judaism is united to get whitey is just fucking ludicrous. If the race realists, white nationalists, and other related groups want to gain any political traction, they need to read the crazier Jew-haters out of their ranks. Affiliate yourself with dummies and people will think you’re one too.
P.S. I’ve kicked Hoste off my blogroll. He’s sweating pure idiocy at this point and I don’t want any on me.
P.P.S. Mr. Spencer, might I suggest making OneSTDV the new HBD editor at AltRight?
UPDATE: Hoste has responded, sort of, with a line in his new post referring to me as “a blogger who [he doesn't] read” and implying that I’ve been lead astray by that evil Marrano Lawrence Auster and his philo-Semitic ways, all because I don’t know anything about Kevin MacDonald aside from Auster’s description of him as a “Darwinian anti-Semite.” The post’s ostensible purpose is to “is to help set some of the misguided straight” on “Auster’s worst hypocrisies.”
I’ll leave the MacDonald issue off the table, but aside from that, the entire post is a conflagration of Hoste’s worst personality traits, served up in a convenient package. First off, the idea that I’ve been mislead by Larry Auster should be beyond ridiculous to any long-time reader of mine, considering we spent all last year sniping at each other over the issue of game and I most recently wrote a vicious parody of him and his commenters. I continue to read Auster daily, but I have no great love for him or many of his ideas. Having said that, I will gladly take Auster, a man who I disagree with but is intellectually honest and consistent, over a guy whose track record of foolishness and dishonesty I chronicled in the first part of this post.
Hoste’s entire post is a long, drawn-out whine that Auster would dare accuse anti-Semitic writers like himself of being anti-Semites! If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, and squats like a duck, Hoste steadfully denies that it’s a duck and attacks anyone who points out that it is:
I’ve never attacked Jews as Jews and have showered praise on many Jewish writers.  Despite this, Auster calls me an “anti-Semite†in passing.  What I object to is pretending that the Israeli government’s interests are the same as those of Western people.  I don’t believe either side is 100% in the right in the Middle East conflict and I’ve never called for kicking the Jews out of the West or anything close.  But neutrality or even admiration for the Jews isn’t enough.  As Joe Sobran said, when they say â€anti-Semitism†what’s meant is “insubordination.â€
This is coming from a guy who tried to draw a parallel between the Israeli embassy in Germany lodging one complaint over an anti-Semitic cartoon with the entire Muslim world collectively menstruating over the Muhammad cartoons. No, you aren’t biased at all, kid.
And finally, Hoste resorts to straight-up lying in his final point:
Here’s Auster saying I admire Fred Phelps and his church, when my point was a more general one about manly vs. feminized theology and revulsion for American culture.  Doing a piece on the “God Hates Fags†people to go over their negative characteristics would be pretty redundant; they speak for themselves.
You gutless turd. Here is what you wrote about Phelps at The Occidental Quarterly Online in October of 2009:
Although I lost my faith long ago, I found myself taking a liking to Pastor Phelps and his church. There is something incredibly inspiring and, well, manly about a God filled with such hatred and wrath. Phelps came across as a real man, especially when contrasted with advocates of the hippie Jesus who were interviewed in opposition to him.
What the hell do you call that, Hoste? If that isn’t admiration, it’s damn well close to it.
You’ve had a good run Hoste, but the jig is up. You’re a sleazy little insect with no integrity and no principles, and you’re an embarrassment to the HBD blogosphere and everyone else associated with you. If you know what’s good for you, you’ll resign your position at AltRight and delete your little blog (which has fewer readers then mine in more then twice the time of being online – oooh, that’s gotta sting) before you humiliate yourself further. If I was Richard Spencer, I’d have canned your sorry rear-end already. Oh and Mr. Hoste, how’s that anthropology degree coming along? You know, the one you claimed to be in graduate school for to shake your readership down for donations but suspiciously deleted from your site when someone called you out on it? Huh, boy?
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I don’t know who this Hoste idiot is but he sounds like the typical left wing muslim apologist even if he calls himself rightwing.
Unfortunately being pro-White equates to being anti-semitic.
If one acts in the interests of Whites as a first and foremost priority then many of ones opinions and actions will run counter to the interests of Jews. Jewish and White interests are not one and the same. Sometimes they may meet but more than often they won’t. Where they clash I will be called an anti-semite and they will be called….what…I dunno…free thinkers? Certainly not anti-White since being anti-White is an established bona fide cause for all Western governments.
Sure there’s a lot of crackpot anti-semites. There’s a lot of very intelligent ones as well.
[The problem is that the smart ones are being drowned out by the crackpots. For every Hunter Wallace, there's a Richard Hoste running their yap and making everyone look like a moron. Outsiders won't notice the smart guys, they'll hear the crazies yelling "Sieg Heil!" at the top of their lungs and snapping off Hitler salutes and join the neocons out of fear of the Fourth Reich. - ed.]
I agree with you though with regard the Palestinian question vs Israel. The most important factor for us to consider is what is in our interests, not the Jews or the Palestinians interests. We should take the ramifications of our actions into account and it is for that reason that I would seek to ally further with Mid Eastern countries. Sure the Israeli’s won’t like it but that’s their lookout.
There is the moral dimension as well and that land now called Israel didn’t belong to the Jews. It was part of the Ottoman Empire and then fell under British control. There is no doubt this land was very recently in the last century taken from those who had inhabited it for generations. You could say tough for the Palestinians but you could equally say tough for the Jews. Morally, I’d side with the Palestinians on a two state solution. Purely pragmatically, if the lot of them died, Jews and Muslims, killing each other tomorrow the world would be a far more livable place.
[I had a paragraph in this post on this subject, but I cut it out because I was getting too ranty. Whether or not the land belonged to someone else at some distant point in the past is irrelevant, because the Jews took it with force and own it now. It's the Primacy of Violence - he who can kill the other more efficiently wins. Every nation on earth was founded and is maintained on this principle. By your logic, since the Aborigines originally owned Australia, it would only be right to give it back to them and send the white people back to Europe. Same with the U.S., or Canada, or any country founded on the smashed skulls of its previous inhabitants. It won't happen because the white people have the superior firepower. The only morality in situations like this is that which comes out of the barrel of a gun.]
That I would prefer my country to be as close as possible to a pure European/White nation is only rational. That I would prefer my country to be with a minimum of Jews and lessened Jewish influence is part of that picture. That makes me anti-semitic. Yet I don’t wish harm to the Jews. I just wish they’d all sign up to the Israel project and go leave us in peace.
The anti-anti-semites are just as crazed as some of the anti-semites you speak of. Auster himself is a complete nutcase at times. Richard Hoste has made some stupid analogies for sure. Auster defends pedophiles in the case of Roman Polanski. There are whackjobs on either side.
[In Auster's defense (considering he and I have traded barbs in the past), he recanted his support for Polanski when presented with more info. Hoste has a record of being stupid, and his post here pushed me over the edge. I'm neither an anti-Semite nor an anti-anti-Semite, but reading so much outright nonsense from the former is kicking me into Auster's camp.]
You ask: “From the perspective of a racist, the Palestinians are just another group of sand-niggers, so why do they get so much love from the Jew-haters?”
I am a racist yet I don’t wish to cause unprovoked harm to anyone else. I am an anti-semite given that I could care less for what’s good for the Jews yet I likewise don’t wish them harm. However we are caught up in this psycho-drama in the Mid East, mostly because of oil and also mostly because we have so many Jewish shills in the media and politics lobbying for intervention. We have turned our nations over to minority group lobbying so now we are all involved whether we like it or not.
To be a sensible citizen one need take part in the ongoing debate for what is best for our nation and the Israel Palestine problem has become our problem. There’s nothing wrong with taking sides in my book so long as the side you choose benefits me and mine.
[My own position on Israel is one of neutrality. Beyond ending foreign aid to Israel, I don't see why I should be required to take a side, considering that once the aid is taken out the conflict has close to zero relevance to my life. If the paleocons and other Old Right folks were principled about this issue, they'd take a position close to mine. Instead, they're always gushing about how great the Palestinians are and how horrible the Jews are.]
I see no benefit in supporting Israel. That doesn’t mean I want to kill all Jews. Likewise I don’t want Muslims in my country. That doesn’t mean I want to kill all Muslims.
[See, that's the sort of sensible position I can support. But why can't most WNs just leave it at that? Why does wanting to stand up for your people and your race translate into being a conspiracy monger so much of the time?]
I think the ongoing genocide against Whites in South Africa is the major concern for all pro-White people. All other matters should run secondary. But I guess that proves I’m an evil hate mongering anti-semite.
[Naw, you're just an anti-Semite, which shouldn't be so bad. The problem is the cacophony of clowns making it bad. The idiot herd has to be thinned if the pro-white factions want to garner support.]
Sorry about the long winded comment, but I take this sort of topic seriously and wanted to give your post a respectful reply.
I have many paleocon tendencies myself, but I agree 100% with you on their take on Israel. It’s just anti-semitism. If the Mexicans were lobbing rockets along the border left and right they’d be screaming for the need to order the Army to invade Mexico and scorch a 50 mile buffer between our two countries into Mexico.
The land was originally Jewish, won by right of conquest (whether or not by act of God is a matter of faith, but one I accept as a Christian). It was held for nearly two millennia by the Jewish people. For most of the time after that, it was desolate land occupied again, mainly by Jews and some Bedouins. Most of the “Palestinians” are nothing more than migrants to the region who have, at best, a few hundred years of ancestral claims. They won some of that claim through a right of occupation.
Then the Jews came back in and reconquered their racial homeland.
Right Mike, we agree on the history: “the Jews came back”, after the Romans, the Byzantines, the Muslims, the Ottomans and the British who handed it to the Zionists.
If you are in principle into right of conquest then you’d have no problems if Iran were to conquer Israel. Their occupation would be justified by right of conquest according to your logic.
The thing is Mike, you don’t have to buy into it. Why be anti-Palestinian? Why do you care if the Jews or the Muslims get to run Israel/Palestine?
I think the problem with these people is that they only talk to each other. They don’t even know how they come off to normal people. Everyone on the fringe should read a few mainstream writers or writers from the other side to avoid losing perspective. Not that this would apply to Hoste, because we know he at least reads Auster, which makes it surprising that he would attack Auster in this way, which is sort of like attacking someone’s fist with your face.
Hoste himself might actually give a shit about the dune coons, though I doubt many other paleocons or WNs do. Look at his animal rights post:
http://hbdbooks.com/2010/03/the-darks-side-of-progress/
He sounds like a bleeding heart. He’s probably the only animal rights hippie in the extreme rightosphere. Except Hitler, of course.
If one acts in the interests of Whites as a first and foremost priority then many of ones opinions and actions will run counter to the interests of Jews.
Jews are in every important respect white. Most Jews do not believe in white solidarity, and advance the perceived interests of their white subgroup at the expense of all other whites, but most other whites do not believe in white solidarity either, and most other white subgroups are happy to advance their particular interests at the expense of all other whites if they have an opportunity to do so.
The problem with Jews is not that they are Jews, but that they are predominantly liberal, and very successful and influential liberals to boot. If one regards the interests of Whites as a first priority, then many of ones opinions and actions will run counter to the interests of not just of Jews but of a tremendous number of non-Jewish whites. In short, the problem for white nationalists is not Jews but white liberals, of which Jews are merely a subset. Singling out the Jews for special anger just makes the WN crowd look like stupid Nazis.
Jewish and White interests are not one and the same. Sometimes they may meet but more than often they won’t.
How so?
If you mean Israeli interests are often at odds with the interests of white nations in Europe and North America, well, the interests of European and North American nations are often at odds with each other, so that’s not a specifically Jewish problem at all. The real problem, again, is not Jews but liberalism.
The most important factor for us to consider is what is in our interests, not the Jews or the Palestinians interests.
By “our” do you mean whites? Or Americans? Or who?
It is manifestly not in the general interests of whites to see Israel destroyed.
There is the moral dimension as well and that land now called Israel didn’t belong to the Jews. It was part of the Ottoman Empire and then fell under British control. There is no doubt this land was very recently in the last century taken from those who had inhabited it for generations.
Irrelevant rubbish. Nearly every nation on Earth belonged to someone else at some point in time. Literally every nation in the Middle East is an artificial creation whose borders Britain and France invented out of whole cloth after WW1 to suit their imperialistic purposes. One only singles out Israel on this score if one, um, irrationally hates Jews. You going to make Poland give Silesia, Pomerania, and East Prussia back to Germany?
To “right” the “wrong” you describe, you would have to commit the exact same wrong, i.e. you would have to take Israeli land from those Israelis who have inhabited it for generations. Does that actually make sense to you morally?
Morally, I’d side with the Palestinians on a two state solution. Purely pragmatically, if the lot of them died, Jews and Muslims, killing each other tomorrow the world would be a far more livable place.
So, morally and pragmatically, you have no problem if all the white South Africans and black South Africans died killing each other? Oh, you don’t like that? But the blacks were just reclaiming the land that was wrongly taken from them, why should we take sides in that?
That I would prefer my country to be as close as possible to a pure European/White nation is only rational. That I would prefer my country to be with a minimum of Jews and lessened Jewish influence is part of that picture.
Why single out Jews as the only white subgroup you don’t want in your “pure” white nation?
For my part, I don’t want the filthy Irish in my pure white nation. I would like a minimum of Irish and Irish influence. Let the Irish all sign up for the Ireland project and go back there. If that makes me anti-Irish, so be it. Purging our white nation of Irish influence will eliminate a turbulent, fractious minority whose primary loyalty is elsewhere and who embroil us in unnecessary international disputes with our natural ally. Once we get rid of the bogtrotters, we’ll work on the greasy dagoes, wurst-gobbling krauts, and take out the Eastern European trash.
I see no benefit in supporting Israel.
The direct benefit, today, to the white race as a whole, is that Israel absorbs the attention and energy of the Arabs, diverting it from Europe. The destruction of Israel would give a tremendous boost to Islam, and correspondingly increase the already strong dhimmi tendencies in Europe.
From the purely American standpoint, it is stupid to pretend that at this point we can be “objective”. We are on Israel’s side, whether we like it or not. We have put too many chips on that table to imagine otherwise. The destruction of Israel would correctly be viewed as a tremendous black eye for America (which is why the international Left wants this so badly) and America’s international influence would be correspondingly reduced. Who the hell would trust America if we threw Israel under the bus? If you, as a white nationalist, think it is good for a white America to be strong and influential, then you ought to take a more pro-Israeli standpoint. At least go so far as to say that America should ensure Israel’s survival rather than standing aside to let the two sides fight it out (which, in the short term at least, would benefit Israel, as the main thing stopping them from stomping the Arabs flat is us).
That ‘might makes right’ whilst pragmatically true is not a moral position. Our Western tradition has developed laws, culture and civilisation to break down the rule of tyrants for the rule of law. If we were to break with our traditions then we will descend into chaos. But, certainly, there is no law without the power to enforce it, so the two must go hand in hand but always at the behest of the people the law serves.
[At the nation-state level, "might makes right" is the order of the day and always has been. The only way to prevent this is with a superior authority imposing morality on nations, but what superior authority do we have? God? Buddha? The United Nations? Yeah, right. Morality is only possible at levels below - anywhere else and the universe is de facto amoral. - ed.]
The problem is that this understanding is a White Western creation that cannot be merely gifted to those who aren’t of our traditions. Which is a reason why we should not be admitting those who aren’t of our kind into our homelands. They have not developed from our traditions, know none of our conventions intuitively and as a result have no way of ever truly incorporating as a whole into us. We are diminished and weakened by their presence, and we are the ones ultimately changed by them.
If you are in principle into right of conquest then you’d have no problems if Iran were to conquer Israel.
You are in favor of right of conquest, too, since the Palestinians are descended from past conquerors. You just oppose recent Israeli conquest. Gee, why is that? Hmmm, let me think…
Ferdinand, do you think men’s rights and opposition to feminism are inherently conservative? I consider myself to be more or less partisan to both, yet by the standards of the Spearhead and other sites I’d doubtless be considered, in comparative terms, a raving lefty.
[Not necessarily, but they generally correlate. Leftism and feminism have been married to each other since the sixties, so it's only natural that most anti-feminists would lean to the right. A lot of real MRAs (Angry Harry and Paul Elam, for instance) are more libertarian than conservative. - ed.]
I find it troubling that the MRA blogs seem to skew so far to the right, incorporating HBD and white nationalism as a not an insignificant fringe (you can debate left/right, but most people know what I mean here). This *isn’t* because I’m particularly concerned by their ideas; I dislike white nationalism and the neo-fascism associated with it, and am neutral on the science of HBD… But that is neither here nor there.
[Think you've been reading my blog too much, mate. Crossover between the MRA, HBD, and white nationalist blogospheres is almost nonexistent. I'm practically the only one I know of who discusses all three, and it has less to do with my fervent belief in any of them and more to do with my interest in taboo ideas.]
What I dislike is the ghetto-isation of men’s rights I perceive in its exclusive association with the right. Now, maybe some would argue that leftism is incompatible with men’s rights and is in bed with feminism (false and true respectively, IMO), but I would say part of the problem is the violent hostility to liberalism I see among men’s rights types, often on political grounds that have little explicitly to do with men’s rights.
So all sorts of issues, for instance opposition to universal healthcare, are brought into the mix as being integral to the MRM paradigm, when it is perfectly possible to conceive of healthcare as being beneficial to men, or at least not inconsistent with men’s rights – universal access to treatment for prostate cancer or erectile dysfunction, anyone?
One of the reasons feminism today is so batshit crazy is that it was hijacked from the start by the left. I can see a mirror image of this happening among men’s rights. Anyway, wondering if you have any thoughts on this? Is there space for a broad-based coalition in your opinion, or are men’s rights necessarily opposed to liberal ideas such as big government?
[The nature of feminism being part of leftism will inherently preclude leftist ideas from gaining much ground among MRAs. There will be liberal MRAs such as Jay Hammers and the dearly departed Cless Alvein part of the movement, but the overall thrust will be conservative/libertarian. The more important conflict in the manosphere is between egalitarian MRAs such as Harry and Elam who want the men's movement to accomplish what feminism failed to do, and paleomasculinists such as Jack Donovan who want to reinvigorate the old ways of manliness.]
I really don’t see any difference between your typical leftist and inmalafide. Both are brainwashed by THE PARASITICAL JEW
[...and there goes your credibility, toots. - ed.]
to not pursue their own interests but that of the other.
Maybe you’ll understand when you look around the USA and never see a European. Were the Founding Fathers black? Muslim? Oriental? Mexican? I’m sure you’d prefer it if they were.
Your politics support your own genocide. At least you’ll win a Darwin Award! Just like Feminists whose politics prevent them from breeding.
“Jews are in every important respect white.”
Get a clue. No they aren’t. If somebody offends me, I can’t silence them by calling them an antisemite. I’m not Semitic.
I want to live with and be governed by my own kind; not some hostile Jewish elite that hates people of European ancestry.
Diversity is Death.
You guys complain about feminism and you haven’t figured out that it’s just another poisonous Jewish intellectual movement designed to destroy Europeans?
Please stop wasting all your time thinking about pussy and think deeply about the Jewish question.
Here’s a quote to describe you and the only thing that matters to you: your feelings.
“To understand liberals, you have to understand this: they don’t want to do good for others, they want to feel good about themselves. Faced with a choice between a bitter truth and a sugar-coated lie, liberals don’t hesitate a second. It’s the sugar-coated lie every time.”
Jake Turner, your writing is very feminine.
Tarl, I believe we’ve done this dance before. You’ll need to vary up your moves darling if you want to keep me interested.
Just to let you in on the bleeding obvious, which may have saved you time and energy from your mere assertions masquerading as an argument, our positions diverge at the point where you consider Jews to be White.
Yes yes mate, I know you hate the Irish, Catholics no doubt too. Now I see you hate Italians, Germans and Eastern Europeans as well. You’re not Auster and “Karen in England”‘s love child perchance?
This supposed diversion tactic that Israel serves is, mmm, don’t know how to break it to you easy so I’ll be blunt. It’s not working real well. Still, it’s nice to know that imbeciles are trying to think.
Actually, Richard Hoste was a graduate student at Yale when he met Richard Spencer, who was a more conventional conservative. Hoste introduced Spencer to racialism and now they’re very close on this issue. After a while Hoste kept wanting to study biological race differences and had a falling out with the department. Maybe a few of the professors were Jewish?
Anyway, they kept in touch after Spencer left Yale. He was able to bring Hoste onto TakiMag and VDare. Their only serious disagreement is Paganism, which Spencer believes in but Hoste mocks.
[Interesting. Might I ask how you found all this out? I was under the impression that "Richard Hoste" was a pseudonym. - ed.]
“You guys complain about feminism and you haven’t figured out that it’s just another poisonous Jewish intellectual movement designed to destroy Europeans?”
Damn you, Mary Wollstonewitz and Susan B Anthonystein!
[See what I mean about the most vocal anti-Semites spouting fact-free nonsense? - ed.]
“Please stop wasting all your time thinking about pussy and think deeply about the Jewish question.”
No thanks. I’m an equal opportunities fucker and serial miscegenator who would prefer to sink into a hot young Jewish girl than some fat white sow, no matter her purebreed credentials. Give me a perky darkie any day of the week over the burgeoning, inbred, obese white peasant underclass.
But are you so certain of your own racial purity, Elizabeth? I live in the country of my ancestors, which is an island in Nothern Europe. Do you perhaps live in the melting pot of the world? If so, and diversity is death, where does that leave you? Never mind if a “parasitical jew” has stained your genes some time far back in history, I shudder to think of the dusky neapolitans and flat-faced slavs who might have sullied the blood somewhere along the line.
‘With the notable exceptions of Hunter Wallace and the crew at Occidental Dissent, just about every anti-Semite I’ve read on the Internet is two whips short of a BDSM kit. ‘
It would be interesting to see you review the writings of Kevin MacDonald.
I recall that http://www.toqonline.com linked to your site in a comment:
http://www.toqonline.com/2010/03/louis-ferdinand-celine/
[Yeah, I noticed that. I'm not familiar with MacDonald, other than knowing that Auster referred to him as a "Darwinian anti-Semite." I'll probably take a look at The Culture of Critique one of these days, depending on whether or not I can finish some of the other books on my docket. - ed.]
IMF:”While I acknowledge that some Jews have had a deleterious influence on Western culture and society (most notably when it comes to feminism)” & CE:”Damn you, Mary Wollstonewitz and Susan B Anthonystein!”
Gradualist women’s rights/suffrage was first pushed by people of Northwestern European extraction in the USA and Europe, but radical/immediatist/far-leftist 20th century feminism is DEFINITELY a Jewish movement; just look how many of the most prominent feminists are Jewish: EVIDENCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists
This a running joke among my friends. Any stupid little thing that doesn’t go our way gets blamed on a Jewish conspiracy.
Friend: Damn, they put mayo on my sandwich again!
Vincent: You know the Jews invited mayo don’t you?
Because, as a Christian, I take it as a matter of faith that the sons and daughters of Israel have a divine right to that land as an immutable, racial inheritance from God. I also believe that they are one of the civilized peoples in that entire region.
Were the founding fathers Spanish, Italian, Irish, German, Scandanavian, etc.?
No, they were mostly British in their ancestry.
As a southerner of mostly British ancestry, I quite agree. Go back to Europe you damn continental….
And on that note, I’ll also add that the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution are firmly Anglo in their cultural roots. This country was diversified into oblivion long before non-Europeans began diluting its culture. I put as much blame on the German, Irish and Italian immigrants, if not more so than, any other group for f#$%ing up this country.
I liked this post.
This HBD “movement’ is going nowhere fast. They love IQs, but hate the Jews. But then again, the academic researchers who provide HBD supporting data are too often Jewish. They sing the praises of beta behavior, but want as few Asians in the country as possible. Well, some of them. Others prefer Asians over low SES whites. Still others think tea party types are the ideal source for more HBD types. And others despise low status whites. They claim nature uber alles but hate alpha male sexual dominance. They like conservatism but don’t care that social conservatives don’t believe in evolution, the most important premise of HBD.
What the fuck is this “movement”? It’s about as demographically and ideologically consistent as the democrat party.
The majority of muslims are blatantly and shamelessly anti-semitic as far I can tell. This is mostly the Palestanian-Israeli conflict’s fault, although some basis can be set for it in their depictions during the inception of Islam and their animosity then.
Ferdinand, excuse me if this is simplistic and feel free to school me.
I just don’t understand why muslims should be considered a threat (although I do have some ideas of why they are) when they don’t make up the majority of the minorities, have no nuclear powers(except… Iran/Pakistan. The former which you could argue would’ve been better strategically to invade, as far as real threats go.) or significant armed forces. Muslim immigration’s been the result of bad management by post WW regimes. Muslim immigration also means an inevitable Westernisation: the mainstream teachings of any Western muslim organisation is noticeably liberal(although not liberal by hyperliberal standards that Christianity has reached making the term seemingly almost meaningless in some denominations) and the majority of the kids in the next generation are lost to Western thinking and values. The Islamic birth rate is self-limiting and not a significant threat. Many muslim countries are undergoing a Westernisation and feminisation thanks to dissemination of Western media and an ongoing secularisation.
The pockets of radicalism seems to me the dying rattling coughs of nations that have lost their culture, identity and pride to an ideological dominion of Western nations that they are utterly powerless against.
They look like they’re a live, dangerous threat… but the Western powers are perfectly capable of dealing with them.
Why such scare-mongering? In real terms, is this an uncompromising war of ideology?
I know it’s the fault of the muslim community in a way that radicalism exists, in that they don’t militantly eliminate it amongst their ranks. Although that smacks of socialism to collectively punish the community or equate one muslim with the other, which would be as ridiculous as equating all Christians with each other. I had a dysfunctioning peace of software on my phone for the call to prayer ‘Allah-u Akbar!’. Seeing the expressions on people’s faces when it went off: they thought they were going to die. Well, the terrorists have done their job.
Anti-Islamism is a real and increasing phenomenon. In a survey here recently, about 25% of people thought Islam was the worst religion, with the rest mostly thinking no religion is better than another or something else neutralish.
Under this kind of climate, there seems no real way in which Islamic ideas will form a threat, either via ideas or force. Unless the Western powers irrevocably and massively screw up. Which can’t be completely discounted given some puzzling former actions and requires vigilance, I agree.
BTW, you are totally a jew ;)
[My own position on Islamist terrorism is one of skepticism. I think al-Qaeda and the like will peter out in the next decade. Muslims aren't a problem in the U.S., but as long as they reside in European countries, refusing to integrate and being inspired to commit terrorist acts, this will create problems. Though the way things are going, that problem may resolve itself. If people are distrustful of Muslims, it's because of nonsense like the Motoons controversy, or terrorist attacks like 9/11. Until the attacks and protests stop, you'll just have to deal with it. I'm sorry. - ed.]
Another interesting thing to bring up is subtle differences in the tendencies between Arab/muslim antisemitism and Anglosphere antisemitism.
As an Arab/muslim naive to the Anglosphere, I would’ve thought that anti-semitism would’ve been non-existent, especially taking into account post Holocaust sentiments which are a great definer of modern ethics. The Arab/muslim sentiment is greatly rooted in the strong identification with Palestine, although more reasonable muslims make the significantly important distinction between Zionists and Jews. Especially due to the status accorded them as People of the Book. There’re Jews who’re pro-Palestine (seriously!) who justify this. I’m not going to pretend anti-semitism isn’t widespread regardless because that would not be remotely true.
In any case, it surprised me that there’re sociocultural reasons such as e.g. feminism and financial dominion which generated anti-Jew sentiment, reasons so powerful that they overcame strong cultural programming. A genuine ethnic non-religious anti-semitism rather than a primarily anti-Zionist one.
Sorry for the long comments. I shall compound my sins further, revealing truly that I am not actually that sorry.
Clerks II is in COLOUR? Must watch soon.
“Because, as a Christian, I take it as a matter of faith that the sons and daughters of Israel have a divine right to that land as an immutable, racial inheritance from God.”
Really? Because Jesus sure seemed to favor the Jews being driven from “that land”.
“Daughters of Jerusalem, do not weep for me; weep for yourselves and for your children. For the time will come when you will say, ‘Blessed are the barren women, the wombs that never bore and the breasts that never nursed!’”
-Jesus Christ
“I also believe that they are one of the civilized peoples in that entire region.”
Then why do they have far more White Slavers and Girls held against their will to be raped for money than the average Middle Eastern Country?
If Israel wants reasonable people to think they’re civilized, they need to have their police crack down on this evil hearted practice.
All you need to see how crazy anti-semites are is Cartman from Southpark. He is their king.
I’m glad the other blogs are noticing what a nut house HBDbooks has become. You can just imagine my fun posting there with retards like Reginald (Statsoholic). And FB, it might interest you to know that Richard Hoste’s amazon profile also turned up a very interesting name: Joel Silverstein. Some of his commenters asked him straight up if he was a Jew. Of course, he has neither confirmed nor denied.
Bhetti,
There is so much scaremongering wrt Islam because we are exposed to it 24/7 whether it is in the news or the latest Muslim outrage over some slight. Muslims, whether secular or traditional, are generally not good at handling criticism either which makes it hard to sympathize with the stereotyping they have to endure. Also, people don’t like making accomodations for foreigners in general e.g. footbaths in washrooms.
“No, they were mostly British in their ancestry.”
British in ancestry, but looks like plenty of them had black kids. If connection to founding fathers is what determines the right to live in America, we ought to say goodbye to Marilyn Monroe and support Michael Vick and company.
The blogger formerly known as Udolpho has posted an extended summary and review of Kevin MacDonald’s book “The Culture of Critique” here:
http://www.mypostingcareer.com/forums/index.php?/topic/107-the-culture-of-critique/
Udolpho is no Jew-hater, though he broadly agrees with MacDonald’s contention that Jews were instrumental in corrosive (to Western civilization) movements such as Boasian anthropology, Leftism, Freudianism, the Frankfurt School, and increasing non-white immigration.
Be warned that it’s a long read, though an interesting one.
I encountered shades of this argument at Sailer’s blog a couple of years ago, and it is eye-opening. I don’t hate Jews or Israel in any sense, and I’d be happy for the US to walk away from all attempts to mediate the Israel-Palestine dispute, leaving the Israelis free to crush those who threaten them, if they still have that ability. But I am also beginning to recognize that for all the undeniable benefits high-IQ Jews have brought to the world, they also seem to be in the forefront of many uniquely harmful movements.
I was being flippant toward Elizabeth. I am a southerner which is the original multi-racial identity in this country. I’d rather have a black, southern neighbor that some white nationalist hick from the Midwest or yankee secular puritan.
**multi-racial **ethnic** identity. Southern culture is a true blend of every race this country has absorbed. White, black, whatever you are, if you’re southern, that’s your true identity.
“Hoste is equating an Israeli embassy’s single, solitary complaint over a cartoon with the entire Muslim world holding protests, making death threats, and generally going apeshit over a cartoon.”
There have been many cartoons attacking Islam published in the European media since a long time without any protests in the Muslim world.
When the largest Danish newspaper, which had played a major part in convincing Danes to send troops to Iraq (in 1991 and 2003) and Afghanistan to bring “Democracy” and “Women’s rights”, killing thousands in the process, published the cartoons it did inflame the Muslim world. If Denmark was just a peaceful country without a history of participating in Neocon imperialism, and Jyllands-Posted just a typical Danish newpaper, rather than an internationalist neocon outlet owned by a Zionist fanatic (Flemming Rose),the protests would have been ridiculous and provocative.
if Muslims are so violent and hateful as is often claimed, why have so few critics of Islam been killed in Europe? Sure, one or two have been killed, but given the fact that there are millions of Muslims living in Europe, one would expect at least a few of them go after those who are justifying the slaughter of the most pious of their coreligionists in the Middle-East. But they don’t. Instead they listen to rap, burn cars and basically imitate suburban American Blacks. Not really the behavior one would expect of Islamic fundamentalists (which they aren’t). Descendants of illiterate immigrants imported for cheap labor), most of them do not even know Arabic and can’t read the Quran. Establishment conservatives such as Christopher Caldwell’s, who never even visited the supposed Islamic ghettos in Europe, don’t understand this. If they did, and actually compared them to, say, Detroit, the similarities would be striking though even the worst areas of Paris are less downtrodden than that place).
According to the FBI, Jews have committed more acts of terrorism than Muslims.
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/not-all-terrorists-are-muslims/
The supposed “pandemic” of Muslims raping women in Sweden and Norway was way blown out of proportion, and the rapes that did occur were carried out by Somalis. The actual statistics are still available.
http://www.ablemesh.co.uk/thoughtsmuslimsnotrapists.html
It seems to me that non-European immigration, not Islam, is the main threat for Western peoples. Islam is just trying to defend itself from the interference of liberal “human rights activists” and neoconservative imperialism. Arab governments have not attacked any Western nations for over a century. The reverse is not true.
Anyway, there are many instances of people getting convicted for criticizing Jews and Israel in Europe. Even if you deem these people insane for their anti-Zionist or anti-Semitic views, it is hardly justifiable to persecute them for their views.
Here is an example of a popular French comedian sympathetic to the far right being successfully persecuted by Jewish lobbies and nearly destroyed. Keep in mind that the French government was a big advocate of free speech during the cartoon controversy.
“Dieudonné was sentenced to a penalty of 4,500 Euro for defamation after having called a prominent Jewish television presenter a “secret donor of the child-murdering Israeli army”.[48]
# On November 15, 2007, an appellate court convicted him to a 5,000 Euro fine because he had treated “the Jews” as “slave traders”.[49]
# On 26 June 2008, he was sentenced in the last judicial instance to a 7,000 Euro fine for his designation of the Holocaust as “memorial pornography”.[50]
# On 27 February 2009 he was fined 75,000 Canadian dollars in Montreal for defamatory statements with anti-semitic undertones against the singer and actor Patrick Bruel.[51]
# On 26 March 2009 Dieudonné was sentenced to a total of 3,000 Euros for defamation after having criticised Elisabeth Schemla, a Jewish journalist who ran the now defunct Proche-Orient.Info website. He declared on 31 May 2005 that the website wanted to “eradicate Dieudonné from the audiovisual landscape” and had said of him that “he’s an anti-semite, he’s the son of Hitler, he will exterminate everyone”.[52]
# On 27 October 2009, he was sentenced to a fine of 10,000 Euros for “public insult of people of Jewish faith or origin” related to his show with Robert Faurisson.[53]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dieudonn%C3%A9_M%27bala_M%27bala
gil,
What I said about Israel above is TRUE. Read the Wikipedia article on Sexual Slavery:
“The most common destinations for victims of human trafficking are Thailand, Japan, Israel, Belgium, the Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Turkey and the US, according to a report by UNODC.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_slavery
This means that out of ALL the Countries in the Middle East, the ONLY ONE brutal and rape happy enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Israel was Turkey.
Anyone who says Israel is the most “Civilized” Country in the Middle East must think that holding people against their will and repeatedly Raping them is “Civilized”.
“You can just imagine my fun posting there with retards…â€
Typical mature use of language by an Israel lover, calling me a “retard†while leaving my point completely unaddressed. No wonder people around the World love Israel and its American allies so much!
That which you care about and carry water for will be torn down and pitched into the sea.
And then when Palestine is run by pious Men like the ones running Hezbollah, Men who behead Pimps instead of protecting them from justice, tens of thousands of White Women will be saved from being forced into Prostitution every year.
That wasn’t the first time God drove them from that land only to return them later.
Even if I believed that accusation, which is hard in the absence of decent stats, women are treated far better in Israel than in the countries surrounding them. You don’t see 12 year old girls getting sold off by Israeli Jews to 70 year old men for a few livestock like you do in Saudi Arabia.
Ferdinand,
Very interesting post, yet I must take issue with you when you say that you can understand dislike and/or hatred of Black folks “because of the facts”. Uh, no, that’s not good enough. The fact of the matter is that the HBDers are working hard to find a “scientific” cover for their racism, period. And I’ve been dilligently working to bring this fact to light over on my blog. I’m sure you’ve seen my posts in this regard.
Moreover FeministX has taken the HBDers to task on her blog, in fact I recently referred to a recent post she put up where she gave OneSTDV a serious spanking.
The biggest problem with the HBDers, regardless of the focus of their animus and hatred, ain’t that they have these views, but that no one challenges them. Part of my mission is to do exactly this, and to force them to debate in the public square, which is what they claim to want in the first place.
[Perhaps you misunderstood. My point is that racism against blacks and NAMs is usually rooted in something rational, namely crime stats. It's the fact that those folks ARE rational that makes it possible for you to do what you do with them. If the black-haters were screaming tinfoil hat theories at every turn, it would be impossible to have a dialogue with them or logically dissemble their points. - ed.]
As for the whole Jewish thing, I would argue that Half Sigma is at least as problematic as Hoste, because he has no problems doing to Black folks the very thing he rails against being done to Jews. Talk about cognitive dissonance…
[Don't worry, the HBDers will get theirs eventually. But appropriate targets first.]
The Obsidian
Ferdinand__
Exactly what primarily motivates my interest in those areas. The interest comes from the sense that areas that aren’t allowed to be thought about often/usually have a lot of hidden deep truths around them that are being controlled. I want the whole picture that learning those truths might give me.
Well in anti-feminism I also have a personal/gender stake. Though much of what I advocate changing societally I don’t think will happen much or within time to do me much good. Direct remedies like game, avoiding certain situations, and knowing enough to know how important cohab agreements not to mention avoiding remarrying or at the least doing so without a Doug1 kinda prenup, mimicing living together on any breakup.
“This means that out of ALL the Countries in the Middle East, the ONLY ONE brutal and rape happy enough to be mentioned in the same breath as Israel was Turkey.”
Lol, you retard, that’s because rape and slavery is completely legal and condoned in much of the Islamic world to the point where there is nothing to be reported. There is no minimum age of marriage in countries like Yemen. It is not a statistic if a father sells his 8 yr old as a wife. No one reports any reliable stats about southest asians being held as sex slaves or labor slaves in oil rich arab states. Women can be bought and sold in the middle east. Israel is the country which has laws against this behavior because it is western. And I’d like to see the percentage of sex slavery in Israel that is actually being propogated by the 20% of the population which is Arab.
“That wasn’t the first time God drove them from that land only to return them later.”
Why would God return them when they never repented for the action (rejecting the Messiah) that provoked God into driving them out?
“Even if I believed that accusation, which is hard in the absence of decent stats, women are treated far better in Israel than in the countries surrounding them.”
Not the White Gentile Women who are held against their will and Raped.
The only Women who are treated well in Israel are the Jewish ones.
“You don’t see 12 year old girls getting sold off by Israeli Jews to 70 year old men for a few livestock like you do in Saudi Arabia.”
The Parents of a girl, the people with her blood in them, have the right to decide who she marries.
And usually in the Arab World it’s the parents of the daughter who pay the husband, not the other way around.
So if anyone’s being “bought” it’s the Man.
“Lol, you retard, that’s because rape and slavery is completely legal and condoned in much of the Islamic world to the point where there is nothing to be reported.”
Arranged Marriage is NOT rape and NOT slavery.
If it is, it follows that most of the Men of your people are slave owners and rapists!
“There is no minimum age of marriage in countries like Yemen.”
That’s irrelevant to what I was discussing. In the Middle Ages, PLENTY of girls were “forced” to marry a Man to follow their parents’ wishes.
This is a totally different practice than the utterly brutal and evil practice of forcing a Girl or Woman to become a Whore against her will.
There’s a difference between the benefit of being a Wife, and the horror of being a Whore.
Obsidian says:
“[HBDers] have these views, but … no one challenges them. Part of my mission is to do exactly this, and to force them to debate in the public square, which is what they claim to want in the first place. ”
Hey, remember the whole argument at Auster’s blog last year, when HBDers claimed that HBD (rather than just being a collection of highly useful insights) was a workable, fully thought-out traditionalist worldview by which Western civilization could be rescued? How we laughed.
“Women can be bought and sold in the middle east.”
They cannot.
“No one reports any reliable stats about southest asians being held as sex slaves or labor slaves in oil rich arab states.”
Southeast Asians laborers in the Persian Gulf are paid money, therefore they are not slaves.
“Israel is the country which has laws against this behavior because it is western.”
The laws are not enforced, and are therefore worthless.
Dr. Kevin MacDonald and some of his associates are now blogging over @ http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/tooblog/ — longer articles @ http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/
Lots of great analysis and writing over there.
It’s funny. One commenter called me a Nazi, I’m also supposed to be Jewish (which amuses my friends and family). Of course, I’m clearly philo-semitic, which is not surprising given US Western Evangelical’s identification with Jews. We tend to see ourselves as the “New Israelites” and George Washington’s Letter to the Hebrew Congregation at Newport is typical of our attitudes:
“It is now no more that toleration is spoken of as if it were the indulgence of one class of people that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights, for, happily, the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance, requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens in giving it on all occasions their effectual support.
It would be inconsistent with the frankness of my character not to avow that I am pleased with your favorable opinion of my administration and fervent wishes for my felicity.
May the children of the stock of Abraham who dwell in this land continue to merit and enjoy the good will of the other inhabitants while every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”
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I don’t think there is hatred or dislike of Black Americans, merely despair that a group of people who COULD and SHOULD be productive are a net drain on social spending, requiring in the words of one Obama Advisor permanent transfers of wealth to ameliorate a group that “structurally” cannot find productive employment.
Simply put, with money running out that is a luxury we cannot afford. It is unreasonable to expect everyone in the Black Ghetto to become materials scientists. It is reasonable to expect them to do something productive.
After all, Blacks are part of America. Contributing major parts of its cuisine, Music, and national culture. Who cannot love the genius of Louis Armstrong, Miles Davis, John Coltrane, or Stevie Wonder?
In a similar matter, I may not like some noxious intellectuals who are Jewish (Noam Chomsky, etc.) but I note they hate Israel and conservative Jews as well, and kiss the ass of Muslim jihadis. Meanwhile Superman and Captain America were created by conservative, pro-American, assimilated Jews, as was Golden Age Hollywood that produced John Wayne and Frank Capra.
In fact, “White” self-interest in spoils systems has much in common with lower White collar and Upper Blue collar East Coast and Southern Jews, as opposed to the thin veneer of SWPL that is mostly the Bill Ayers types. This does not mean Klan rallies or anything of that kind, merely voting self-interest in the spoils division (such as ending Affirmative Action). East Coast Jewish, Italian, Irish, Polish guys who listen to Howard Stern are naturally allies in spoils alliance building.
America is like an episode of Survivor that never ends, so a bigger “tribe” is always a requirement to outwit, outlast, and out-whatever that motto is.
Support for Israel is buying an option to restrain their behavior. We can cut off support, but they’ll just do what they have to in order not to die, and we will look weak and unreliable, easily pushed around to other allies in the Gulf who we wish to pump out oil cheaply and look to us against Iran. A bad trade to make Iran “happy” (which is impossible save for the US out of the Gulf and oil at $300 a barrel). [No Arab really cares about the Palestinians -- they are scared to death of Iran and its growing empire.]
Israel has given the world cell phone technology, a number of genetically engineered drugs (with the promise of more), a lot of computer software, and more. Arabs have oil which will run out eventually. Moreover, from an HBD perspective, you never know what sort of genes might be useful, and Ashkenazi Jews have high IQs. Smart people are worth their weight in gold and then some. Given that the West will never have an advantage in raw materials or raw numbers, smart people are essential for preserving Western advantage and that alone justifies US support for Israel.
Whiskey,
I agree, broadly, and have no argument with your list of Jewish achievements. But as I understand MacDonald’s argument, he claims that the common thrust of Jewish-dominated political movements is to undermine Anglo-European attempts to assert a common “white” group interest, and this they do very successfully, to the point where white group assertiveness is immediately branded out of hand as racist or crypto-fascist. No doubt many elite whites are happy to go along with this, but Jews are instrumental in forming these movements.
Let me add, that while Jews have been in involved in many ideological harmful things, they were never the ultimate leaders, and that merely reflects their generally High IQs.
For each and every Noam Chomsky, there is a Jerry Siegel and Joe Schuster. A Jack Kirby. A Jack Warner, a Louis B. Mayer, or a Sam Goldwyn.
I’ll see your Frankfurt School, and raise you “Truth, Justice, and the American Way.” With a dose of a living Flag punching out Hitler and Tojo (the first a year before America entered the War, with pro-Axis peaceniks demonstrating, including Marxists, for Hitler). Add in John Wayne, Its A Wonderful Life, White Christmas, Holiday Inn, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, and just about most of Americana from 1920-1965, and Jews overwhelmingly have a positive effect.
Einstein helped (along with Oppenheimer) give the US the bomb FIRST. A tremendous advantage that saved millions of GI lives by avoiding a ground invasion of Japan.
Meanwhile the leader of Marxists were Stalin and Lenin, and Mao. No Jews there. What Jews existed in the USSR Communist Party got Trotsky-ized, purged and shot.
You can’t cheat an honest man, and you can’t sell someone something they don’t really want. Jews being active in Marxism and Feminism is merely a reflection of Western weakness following irrational mid-19th Century triumphalism. Most of the ills of Western society can be traced to the rejection of traditions and cultural conservatism following the horrific slaughter of a generation of men in WWI. And the collapse of centuries old empires (Austrian, Russian, German), birth of petty nationalism, and loss of European power. No one believed in the small homely virtues of home because they connected it to horrific death on the Somme. Or something.
Much of the nutty feminist stuff was started by wealthy English women in the late 1700′s, Mary Wollstonecroft for example (mother of Mary Wollstonecroft Shelley) or Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Susan B. Anthony (who compared marriage to slavery) come to mind, the latter of course American WASPs. Heck, William BLAKE of all people was a feminist, and also compared marriage to slavery, wanted it abolished. Not a Jew.
Let’s review: nutty stuff like the Oneida Community (19th Century hippies practicing “free love” and attempting to abolish jealousy) required a lot of excess money, the idea that making money was “distasteful” and big inheritances to finance general idiocy. Think Bill Ayers, son of a Commonwealth Ed chair.
Jews, being confined up through the mid 20th Century in trades, merchant classes, and entrepreneurship, did not have big whopping inheritances and a social attitude that posing around rather than making money was the proper role for a man (or woman). Read the accounts of famous Hollywood Jews, or Comic book creators, and you find a hard-scrabble, constant effort to make money. They did not have the cash or attitudes to take part in that stuff. Only a few on the margins, important thinkers but not social leaders (again no cash or social position) made any contributions.
Its only with the relatively late function of tenure plus high pay for University Professors (basically a 1950 + development) that you get guys like Noam Chomsky. Had he been born a century earlier, he’d have trying to found a Berlitz like language teaching school, because there would be no way he’d ever be hired by any University.
Why the fuck would anyone let that feminist harpy Denise post on their blog?
MGL — I would say that the labeling of White self-interest as “racist” is more a function of SWPL Yuppies, most of whom are WASPs. For example, Ward Churchill, Bill Ayers, Al Gore, Bill Clinton, and so on are not Jews. Neither is Harry Reid (Mormon), or John Lewis (Black) or Al Sharpton (Black).
To accept McDonald’s thesis, Jews would have to have either numbers they do not, or some sort of “mind-control.”
After all, I can call anyone anything. The “power” of being called racist only exists if people think it is bad, and accurate. This I argue is a function of good times rolling, a fear of losing out socially as the money rolls in (don’t rock the boat), and widespread female influence (i.e. status and being thought “nice” is most important, not male accomplishment).
Do Jews have some magic mind-control that makes a Jewish accusation of racism uniquely abhorrent? Mesmerism? No. Rather, a broad social sweep of women being the defining element of social status (rather than accomplishment) in a general good time boom time of consumer growth and marketers preferrring women consumers, made that shift.
Indeed, if you look at the most Jewish of Jews, i.e. Israeli politicians, they have allied themselves with South Africa, under Apartheid, opposed the USSR, and so on. South Africa’s apartheid era nuke was developed with assistance from Israel.
Meanwhile, being called racist (now simply worn out from over-use, and irrelevant) only has meaning if people think its a bad thing (now its like being called a Christian heretic, meaningless) and it hurts your social chances. THAT is an aspect of a female dominated society.
I’m largely in agreement with what mgl has said so far on this thread.
I’m philo-Semitic but I also think that Kevin MacDonald’s core thesis, at least in the last of his book trilogy on Jews in Euro societies, is largely true. I haven’t read any of his long three books but I have read long reviews pro and con, long excerpts from them, and articles on the subject he’s made available from time to time on his website.
The future of ‘anti-Semitism’ will be based on science (genetics) and the empirically-observed negative sociohistorical patterns associated with ethnic Jewry.
The focus will be on the very often negative influence of ethnic Jews in Western nations, especially in terms of Jewish economic criminality (exploitation and parasitism) and the promotion of general cultural decay and decline in the non-Jewish nation — as in the USA in those cultural areas where organized Jewry has caused statistically-verifiable decline, i.e. the degenerate mass-media, far-leftist politics (formerly international communism in which Jewry played the leading role), radical 20th century feminism, biased academia and Sovietesque public schools, politics corrupted by Wall Street/big business/mega-banks, decimation of local and regional American economies by international corps, promotion of mass non-White immigration in to the USA and other Western nations, centralization of the American economy by a ruthless international plutocracy in the Federal Reserve (which is disproportionately Jewish), wars for Israel in Iraq/Afghanistan/etc, endless American aid/welfare to Israel, etc.
Jews are not ‘White’ in that they are genetically different from native Europeans — and Jews are not only genetically different, they are very much culturally different as well. Keep in mind that Jews have only been in Europe for around 2,000 years or so, and often even less than that (less than 1,500 years, or even 1,000 years). Many Jews have certainly picked up significant amounts of genetic European ancestry during their sojourn in Europe, but at base they are still Near Eastern Semites which their appearance and behavior clearly shows in most cases.
Genetic studies focused on Jewish DNA shows:
- http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/01/how-ashkenazi-jewish-are-you/ — “In conclusion, we show that, at least in the context of the studied sample, it is possible to predict full Ashkenazi Jewish ancestry with 100% sensitivity and 100% specificity…”
- http://www.gnxp.com/blog/2008/04/snps-dont-lie.php — “This SNP study (and others) also shows that Ashkenazim are genetically distinct from other Europeans, which allows fairly accurate identification of group membership. Almost perfectly distinct, if you look at Ashkenazim whose grandparents are all Ashkenazi (the violet dots). ”
- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/7346496/View-from-the-Lab-Who-is-a-Jew-DNA-can-hold-the-key.html — “A scan of half a million variable sites across the genomes of several hundred Europeans and Americans, each aware from their family history of having had a recent Jewish or a non-Jewish ancestry, gave an absolute separation between Jews and others: even a single Jewish grandparent was enough to provide an unambiguous identity, written in DNA.”
So it has been well-established that ethnic Jews are both genetically and culturally different than ‘Whites,’ or native Europeans — and they are different enough to cause major ethno-cultural incompatibility.
The groundwork has already been laid for the coming rise of ‘anti-Semitism’ based upon science, empiricism, statistics, facts, logic, and cold hard reason. Reams of solid scientific evidence and stats have been compiled, many dozens if not hundreds of great books/articles/pamphlets/etc have been written, and it is only a matter of time before anti-Jewish sentiment rises again in The West just as it has done so many hundreds if not thousands of times throughout the last 2,000 years of Western history. If nothing else, it is clear that the time is rapidly approaching wherein we Westerners must conclusively settle the ‘Jewish Question’ once and for all — hopefully without violence again flaring up as it has so many times before.
Jews haven’t been expelled from nearly every of Western territory or nation throughout history for NO REASON – http://www.sunray22b.net/expulsions.htm – often the main reason was horrible economic exploitation of non-Jews by a hyper-ethnocentric and parasitic Jewish plutocracy, a historical pattern which is now repeating itself in the modern USA:
“Steinweis surveys German studies that implicated Jews in economic crimes and crimes against morality (SittlichkeitsverÂbrechern). Ironically, as Steinweis notes (p. 138), it was a Jew, the Italian crimÂinologist Caesare Lombroso, who invented the concept of the “born criminal.†J. Keller and Hanns Andersen used Lombroso’s idea in their book The Jew as CrimÂinal, in which Jews were described as “born to crime†and possessing a special preÂdisposition to and ability for fraud, dirty dealing, dishonest gambling, usury, sexual transgressions of all kinds, pick pocketing, and treason. As Steinweis points out, neither of the authors had academic credentials of any sort, nor were they associated with any university. However, Johann von Leers, a trained jurist holding a professorÂship in history at Jena University, did publish a booklet, The CriminÂality of the Jews, in which he presented statistics showing a disproportionately high Jewish participation in white-collar crime. Jews were 12 times more likely than non-Jews to be involved in usury; 11 times more likely to engage in the theft of intellectual property; 8–9 times as likely to declare fraudulent bankruptcy. Between 1903 and 1936, Leers noted, the frequency of Jewish participation in usury was 29 times that of non-Jews.” – http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Michaels-Steinweis.html
Whiskey:”Israel has given the world cell phone technology…”
The cell-phone is nothing more than a glorified walkie-talkie.
Whiskey:”Let me add, that while Jews have been in involved in many ideological harmful things, they were never the ultimate leaders, and that merely reflects their generally High IQs.”
Jews played the leading role in international communism and in establishing the USSR — Jewish leadership in the USSR ultimately led to the murder of tens of millions of innocent Eastern European Slavs in a non-wartime situation. Jewish communists and their underlings killed more innocent people than the Nazis: a lot of evidence of Jewish leadership of Soviet and international communism is @ http://brianakira.wordpress.com/jewism/
Whiskey:”Add in John Wayne, Its A Wonderful Life, White Christmas, Holiday Inn, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, and just about most of Americana from 1920-1965, and Jews overwhelmingly have a positive effect.”
You are insane Whiskey. Is this petty pop-culture junk you list really worth slow but steady ruination of American culture, the submerging of the White race in America, and the unhinging of the nation as a whole by a hostile Jewish elite?
“With a dose of a living Flag punching out Hitler and Tojo (the first a year before America entered the War, with pro-Axis peaceniks demonstrating, including Marxists, for Hitler).”
America was ruled by a heavily Jewish plutocracy even back in the 1930s. In a major speech Mussolini said:
“Illusion and lying are the basis of American interventionism-illusion that the United States is still a democracy, when instead it is a political and financial oligarchy dominated by Jews, through a personal form of dictatorship.” – http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1941/410223a.html
“Hoste is equating an Israeli embassy’s single, solitary complaint over a cartoon with the entire Muslim world holding protests, making death threats, and generally going apeshit over a cartoon. ”
Actually, you’re being pretty insane yourself by saying that the “entire” muslim world held protests and went apeshit over the cartoon. Some extremists do not “enitire muslim world” make, and if it’s fair for you to claim this then it is certainly fair for Hoste to react to characterizations like this and apply them to Jews.
[SOME extremists? If you can't see the difference between violent protests in multiple Muslim countries and death threats against the cartoonists and one complaint on the part of one Israeli embassy, you've got issues. - ed.]
“I think we should try to reclaim porch monkey and save it . . . “
“You don’t see 12 year old girls getting sold off by Israeli Jews to 70 year old men for a few livestock like you do in Saudi Arabia.â€
Regitard: The Parents of a girl, the people with her blood in them, have the right to decide who she marries.
I enjoy how Reginald prefers PEDOPHILIA over a woman choosing who she can sleep with i.e. making herself a whore. That makes me think Reginald hasn’t gotten laid in a long time. Every woman who seems to be having sex is a whore to him.
I’m very far from agreeable to a typical White American feminist. I openly declare that women who are promiscuous should be denounced as sluts. I believe that women belong in the home, managing the family while the husband leads the family. I believe that the husband should be the final arbiter in disagreements. I believe that men are generally more intelligent, innovative, and productive as employees.
But because I don’t fit neatly into your silly ‘He-Man Woman Haters Club’ tree fort, I’m allegedly a “mangina” and a “white knight”. I object to hateful screeds against our women and now I’m some sort of gelded Gender Traitor.
[When you defend those who would easily cut your throat to enrich themselves, you are a useful idiot, a stooge. Since you protect the American women who do not reciprocate your chivalrous feelings, you are a mangina. - ed.]
This whole post is silly. There are plenty of very smart anti-Semites and there are plenty of very stupid anti-Semites. How many HBD/game bloggers are stupid? I’m betting there’s a fair share of them out there.
[HBD and game bloggers don't have a political platform beyond their own self-gratification. If you're looking to affect political change, you can't let morons run wild and expect outsiders to take you seriously.]
This site’s readers are welcome to go through the Occidental Dissent archives and decide for themselves whether Denise’s post was typical. They can decide for themselves if we hypocritically whine about the Palestinians. They can decide for themselves if we’re “loathsome”. I think they’ll find that we’re a reasonable bunch who make a convincing case that White Americans have the same self-evident right to determine their own destiny among their own people that every other people possess.
[Y'all are a reasonable bunch by my estimation. It's the people in the comment threads who are making y'all look bad. If you can't see why letting tinfoil hat theorists spew their nonsense all over your comment threads is a problem, you've got real problems.]
FeministX wrote this statement, which I hold to be mostly incorrect: “Women can be bought and sold in the middle east. Israel is the country which has laws against this behavior because it is western.”
It is noteworthy that some women do suffer indentured servitude in some Arab countries – notably, immigrant maids in Dubai have horror stories about labor rights and human rights abuses – but that’s a function of being poor, not being female. I think it’s technically incorrect to say such maids are bought and sold like chattel slaves – they are not traded around as chattel slaves are.
Israel, on the other hand, has a human rights record that even the UN can’t ignore, and its role in white slavery is a matter of public record. Being “Western” doesn’t prevent Israel from being the center of a great many black market human rights abuses, not limited to white slavery.
There may very well be written “laws” against white slavery in Israel, but FeministX’s statement is highly misleading. Israel’s government only obeys its own laws when it seems convenient to do so.
“You don’t see 12 year old girls getting sold off by Israeli Jews to 70 year old men for a few livestock like you do in Saudi Arabia.â€
No, actually, if one bothers to investigate white slavery perpetrated by Israeli Jews, one does see exactly that.
“while Jews have been in involved in many ideological harmful things, they were never the ultimate leaders”
Because Marx was not the real leader of Marxism, and Lenin was not the ultimate leader of Leninism. (Note that some apologists for Judaism will try to argue that Lenin was not Jewish, but I hold that he was.)
Jews typically use goyim as public faces of Jewish movements. Kevin MacDonald has written about this.
“You can’t cheat an honest man, and you can’t sell someone something they don’t really want.”
I understand the above sentiment, but I note that if one sells a loaf baked with sawdust to a man who has been led to believe it contains only standard flour and yeast, one is in fact guilty of cheating an honest man.
It might be more accurate to say that a man with a persistent pattern of being cheated usually has some internal character flaw. This does not absolve all cheaters of all guilt.
The Chinese sweat shop workers who work sixteen hour days and buy meals that are supposed to be pork buns, but are in fact shredded cardboard – are ALL of those workers dishonest? Or are the folks who sell the cardboard more dishonest than the workers?
I’ve noticed to my dismay that many HBDers detest Jews so much that they aren’t just soft on Islamic fundamentalism, they actually look favorably on it as a counter to the “Jew-contaminated” West. (Nearly half of Sailer’s commenters, for instance, easily fall into that camp.) Yeah, good luck taking getting Westerners on board by taking THAT attitude.
“Yeah, good luck … getting Westerners on board by taking THAT attitude.”
It is possible to oppose Judaism while holding no particular attachment or aversion to Islamic culture.
This has been discussed at:
http://eaazi.blogspot.com/
and furthermore, one might benefit from studying Israel Shahak’s book, “Jewish History, Jewish Religion.”
http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/jewhis1.htm
To the idiot who thinks that Muslim countries are more civilized than Israel, I have a question.
Which would you prefer:
(1) Walk through a Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem with a sign in Hebrew which says “Down with Judaism”;
(2) Walk through a Muslim neighborhood in Mecca with a sign in Arabic which says “Down with Islam”?
or here’s another choice:
(1) Walk down the street in Tel Aviv with a sign that says “Down with Netanyahu”
(2) Walk down the street in Medina with a sign that says “Down with King Fahd”
Here’s another choice:
Your Filipina maid has a choice between working for a year in Israel for a Jewish family and working for a year in Saudi Arabia for a Muslim family. Which would you advise her to do assuming that the rate of pay is equal?
As a Jew, it’s pretty hard for me to take you seriously with your “anti-anti Semite” act. The pen name you use to mask your pathetic little upstate hick real name is from a novel created by a man who wrote some of the worst antiSemitic screeds of the last century. So can the bullshit, bumpkin. You’re as transparent as the rest of ‘em.
[It's nice to know that Manhattan trust-fund brats can use Google. There's hope for you kids yet! - ed.]
“I enjoy how Reginald prefers PEDOPHILIA over a woman choosing who she can sleep with i.e. making herself a whore.”
gil, I never used the phrase “making herself a Whore” in this thread, you worthless liar.
I said: “This is a totally different practice than the utterly brutal and evil practice of forcing a Girl or Woman to become a Whore against her will.”
If a Woman is forced to become a Whore AGAINST HER WILL, it follows that she was NOT the one who made herself into a Whore.
This is what the Country of Israel does to thousands of White Girls every year, and their so called police do nothing to stop it.
With only the possible exception of Turkey, there isn’t a single Country in the Muslim World brutal and evil-hearted enough to let Girls be forced to become Whores against their will to anything like the extent Israel does.
Also, pedophilia is a word that only applies if a Girl is Prepubescent. 12 year old Human females are not Prepubescent unless they are horribly malnourished, and this especially applies to girls from a race (like the Arabs) that tends to have faster maturing females.
“Every woman who seems to be having sex is a whore to him.â€
I was only talking about Women who have sex for money, or who are Raped for their enslaver to get money.
A Woman can have all the sex with her Husband she wants. But if she wants to have sex with someone else, she should be advised that she’s undermining the valuable and Pro-Female institution of Marriage, and that if she accepts money as barter for any of this Extra-Marital Sex she’ll be guilty of turning herself into a Whore.
Anyway, the Men who are desperate for sex are usually the ones like you who try to trivialize the wrongness and horror of being a Whore, so that more Women will become Whores.
The more Whores there are, the easier it is for sexually marginal Men to have the meaningless and disease spreading sex their perverted minds crave.
“Your Filipina maid has a choice between working for a year in Israel for a Jewish family and working for a year in Saudi Arabia for a Muslim family. Which would you advise her to do assuming that the rate of pay is equal?”
I would advise her to go to Saudi Arabia.
There’s all too great a chance the “Jewish family” would turn out to be an international Pimp.
But in Saudi Arabia they pretty much know how to treat Pimps, they don’t let them run wild to kidnap innocent girls from overseas like they do in Israel.
“I would advise her to go to Saudi Arabia.”
Yeah right because there are so many stories about Israeli families abusing their hired help.
Anyway, I notice you ignored my other questions. I will repeat them so everyone can see it:
Which would you prefer:
(1) Walk through a Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem with a sign in Hebrew which says “Down with Judaismâ€;
(2) Walk through a Muslim neighborhood in Mecca with a sign in Arabic which says “Down with Islam�
And here’s another choice:
(1) Walk down the street in Tel Aviv with a sign that says “Down with Netanyahuâ€
(2) Walk down the street in Medina with a sign that says “Down with King Fahdâ€
In Mala Fide,
[Ferdinand Bardamu actually. - ed.]
Things will only improve if people like you stop tolerating this feminist nightmare and start imposing a sane vision of a traditional, functional, and just society. To hiss back at the harpies is to reduce yourself to their level, to implicitly embrace modernity and accept this decadent society as we found it. There’s a higher level than the opportunistic and deceptive alpha; there’s the patriarch.
[Fair enough. But where do we begin? There's no way to oppose feminism politically without being dismissed as a loser (see: men's rights movement), and trying to get men to resist feminism won't fly because men who continue to support the system will reap bigger rewards. I'm all for traditionalism, but aside from watching the whole rotten edifice collapse and rebuilding it afterwards, or relocating to an isolated religious community, I don't see any viable methods of resistance.]
“Yeah right because there are so many stories about Israeli families abusing their hired help.”
I didn’t say I’d advise her against going to Israel because of what would happen if she was actually fortunate enough to become a family’s hired help.
I’d advise her against it because the “Job†offered to her in Israel would be all too likely to be a front for a brutal prostitution ring.
“Which would you prefer:
(1) Walk through a Jewish neighborhood in Jerusalem with a sign in Hebrew which says “Down with Judaismâ€;
(2) Walk through a Muslim neighborhood in Mecca with a sign in Arabic which says “Down with Islamâ€?”
I’d prefer to do neither. Countries don’t exist for jerks from other Cultures to come in and dump on their religious traditions.
“(1) Walk down the street in Tel Aviv with a sign that says “Down with Netanyahuâ€
(2) Walk down the street in Medina with a sign that says “Down with King Fahdâ€â€
Considering I don’t look like an Israeli, I’d get the crap beaten out of me either way.
For this reason, I’d once again prefer to do neither.
Hey You FTW.
just passing by:
“Hoste is equating an Israeli embassy’s single, solitary complaint over a cartoon with the entire Muslim world holding protests, making death threats, and generally going apeshit over a cartoon. â€
Actually, you’re being pretty insane yourself by saying that the “entire†muslim world held protests and went apeshit over the cartoon. Some extremists do not “enitire muslim world†make, and if it’s fair for you to claim this then it is certainly fair for Hoste to react to characterizations like this and apply them to Jews.
+1
[You *can't* be serious, Tupac. - ed.]
It might be more accurate to say that a man with a persistent pattern of being cheated usually has some internal character flaw. This does not absolve all cheaters of all guilt.
The Chinese sweat shop workers who work sixteen hour days and buy meals that are supposed to be pork buns, but are in fact shredded cardboard – are ALL of those workers dishonest? Or are the folks who sell the cardboard more dishonest than the workers?
A Jew libertarian would say they had the opportunity to rationally appraise the situation without the expectation that a paternalistic government do their due diligence for them.
Privately, it’s “goyim suckers”
There is nothing about men’s rights that is inherently right wing. At The Spearhead myself and others have talked plenty about right wing white knights who are just as bad as the feminists. The reason why that you see libertarian/conservative points of view in the MRAsphere is because the state has declared war on us. By definition in current practice any increase in the size of government is anti-male and any shrinking of government is pro-male. If you could totally remove feminism from leftism, that might be different but that’s a pretty academic question right now.
There really is no overlap between HBD/WN and men’s rights. The HBD/WN crowd is filled with manginas and white knights not men’s rights supporters. The only reason it seems like there is an overlap is because the HBD/WNs show up on posts like this because they can’t stand it when we MRAs point out that the HBD/WN crowd are lapdogs for women.
In principle you are correct in your assessment, but in current practice you’re not. While universal healthcare is not necessarily in opposition to men’s rights, it is right now because feminism and leftism are fused together.
Mike T:
Why do you care if the Jews or the Muslims get to run Israel/Palestine?
Because, as a Christian, I take it as a matter of faith that the sons and daughters of Israel have a divine right to that land as an immutable, racial inheritance from God. I also believe that they are one of the civilized peoples in that entire region.
And thus it comes to pass that Christian conservatives, with their fairy tale beliefs and historical narratives, find themselves in the awkward position of aiding and abetting Jewish influence to sacrifice American whites as cannon fodder for Jewish interests in the Middle East. Wake UP, Christians! You are merely useful idiots to the rather more secular (yet shrewd) Jews who pay lip service to religion, while at the same time they make rational calculations regarding their very real socio-biological genetic interests.
Fucking religion.
BTW, I noticed no one addressed Bhetti’s very sincere questions concerning what all the hubbub is about regarding Muslims, in so far as what their influence in America is.
[I did! - ed.]
Immigration-wise, keep ‘em out. Let them fight amongst themselves. I wouldn’t shed a tear if Israel bombed Iran. But WTF do we have to do with it.
“While universal healthcare is not necessarily in opposition to men’s rights, it is right now because feminism and leftism are fused together.”
Men would be paying for the thing whether if Feminism and Leftism were fused together or not!
In every society that’s ever existed outside of Africa, the Men have produced more of the monetary wealth, and thus pay most of the taxes.
“I’d advise her against it because the ‘Job’ offered to her in Israel would be all too likely to be a front for a brutal prostitution ring.”
Lol, I guess that’s why the Philippines government is constantly warning its young women about prostitution scams in Israel and not in the Arab world. Oh wait, it’s the other way around.
“I’d prefer to do neither”
Haha, unsurprising that you dodged the question. Everyone knows perfectly well that it’s far more dangerous to speak out against the government in a place like Saudi Arabia than in Israel. That’s because Israel is a civilized nation and Saudi Arabia is not.
It’s nice to know that Manhattan trust-fund brats can use Google. There’s hope for you kids yet! – ed.]
My point made. The big bad iconoclastic anti-antiSemite knows that Jews that are on to his bullshit are all rich Manhattanites.
[Or maybe it was your digs at upstate NY, bitchboy. Wow, everyone who lives north of Yonkers is a racist rube - like I haven't heard THAT before. - ed.]
Better rewrite your article, douche, and explain that what you really mean about the other guy is that he’s just more antiSemitic than you, so you use him to direct attention the other way, the same way he’d use some other guy, and so on and so on, all the way to Hitler. And don’t forget your feigned moral outrage in your rewrite. It makes you seem so righteous.
[Nice to know that neither Semites nor anti-Semites have a monopoly on idiocy. Now get to bed before I tell your mommy that you've been abusing your internet privileges.]
Bhetti, I think I can help you understand.
Except Iran/Pakistan is a pretty big except. What are the safeguards on nuclear materials in Pakistan? What will be the safeguards on nuclear materials in Iran when/if they get the bomb? Not that much. Pakistan isn’t going to launch missiles at the US, but nuclear materials could easily find their way to terrorists.
When it comes to WMDs don’t forget North Korea making a deal with terrorists either.
Muslim immigration (or even immigration in general) hasn’t been handled very well. This is part of the problem. Because of leftism assimilation hasn’t happened like it should.
Yes, the Islamic birthrate is overhyped. I know that Algeria and Iran for example are already below replacement, but that isn’t well understood.
True but that doesn’t mean they can’t cause major problems and damage on the way down.
Capable yes. Willing, not necessarily. Leftist not only aren’t willing to deal with this but want to use Muslims to bolster their own power. This is where a great deal of anti-Muslim feeling comes from. It isn’t opposition to Muslims as much as it is opposition to leftism. It’s like how white knights and manginas boost the power of feminists. Dealing with these problems would mean for leftists that they would have to go up against their own agenda. Outside of Bernard Kouchner leftists aren’t willing to do this.
Osama Bin Laden has started talking about global warming and other leftist hobby horses to build up leftist support for terrorists. Groups like CAIR here in the US play a game of trying to be the biggest politically correct victim.
The right wing isn’t that helpful either. They have other reasons for not wanting to deal with these problems such as oil money. This creates a perfect storm of a festering problem that gets worse by the day. Eventually it will become a problem that the Western powers won’t be able to deal with.
Take a look at what happened in Iran in 1979. Even in the late 70s the Shah looked to be unstoppable. But a coalition of leftists and Islamists under Khomeni were able to weaken and overthrow him. As soon as that happened Khomeni got rid of the leftists. No one wants a repeat of that anywhere.
For now at least the Western powers are massively screwing up.
In North America it is pretty nonexistent. Hanging around this part of the internet will give you the wrong idea since it gets invaded by the WNs from time to time. There are very few people who directly associate Jews with feminism like the WNs do. The supposed influence of Jewish money isn’t believed by that many either. Ironically one reason is that because there are trillions of dollars of Arab/Islamic oil money. Another reason is that morons who talk about the “Jewish lobby” say even crazier things like talking about how there is an “Armenian lobby”.
By the way, here are the U.S. State Department rankings of countries for human trafficking:
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2009/123132.htm
Note that the lowest tier includes such places as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Malaysia.
Few of those societies catered to women at the expense of men in the way ours does. Societies in which men produce most of the monetary wealth also were societies in which men controlled and spent that wealth. In America it is overwhelmingly women that spend.
Not to mention but Universal ‘Healthcare’ will almost certainly encompass birth control and abortions like nearly every other UHC scheme in existence now; which seems to be one of your personal bugaboos.
Your ‘insightful’ point is irrelevant; as they frequently seem to be.
Yes, but there is no reason men should subsidize women.
“Lol, I guess that’s why the Philippines government is constantly warning its young women about prostitution scams in Israel and not in the Arab world.”
People from the Philippines never go to Israel because of geography and the racial immigration laws, and thus the Government of the Philippines would have no reason to warn Filipinas about the dangers of going there no matter how great those dangers were.
And the best evidence evaluated by the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime shows that Arab States are overwhelmingly less overrun with evil Men trying this sort of scheme than Israel is.
You are using damned sophistry to in an attempt to deceive people.
“Everyone knows perfectly well that it’s far more dangerous to speak out against the government in a place like Saudi Arabia than in Israel. That’s because Israel is a civilized nation and Saudi Arabia is not.”
You have an asinine and childish definition of the word “civilizedâ€.
Many of the greatest civilizations in Human History had at least as much political repression as is found in the Islamic World.
Do you deny that Ancient China was a civilization?
And by the same token, the fact that Jews in Israel can speak out against the Government in no way proves they are civilized. In fact, they have behaved more like the worst sort of Animals than they have like civilized Men.
Do you think it’s “civilized†to vampirically kill people and then steal their organs?
That’s the sort of thing Israelis EMPLOYED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT do.
“Israeli military admits to organ harvesting
Following diplomatic tensions over an August article published in Swedish tabloid Aftonbladet accusing the Israeli army of illegally harvesting the organs of Palestinians, Israel has admitted its forensic pathologists removed organs from dead bodies without consent from their families, reports the Associated Press.â€
http://www.thelocal.se/23964/20091221/
[Or maybe it was your digs at upstate NY, bitchboy. Wow, everyone who lives north of Yonkers is a racist rube - like I haven't heard THAT before. - ed
Here it comes, here it comes, you're getting closer. Come on, dude, have the balls to say it. Forget your sad little 12-year-old cracks and just come on and say the Jew thing.
[Must be sad thinking that everyone's out to get you because you go to temple on Friday nights, and not because you're a spiteful little twerp who sees anti-Semitism where there is none. - ed.]
Yeah, looking around your site, I’d say there’s no way any evidence of a racist rube here. None at all.
[Did you jack off to your Obama poster while you wrote that?]
Better rewrite your article, douche, and explain that what you really mean about the other guy is that he’s just more antiSemitic than you, so you use him to direct attention the other way, the same way he’d use some other guy, and so on and so on, all the way to Hitler. And don’t forget your feigned moral outrage in your rewrite. It makes you seem so righteous.
[Nice to know that neither Semites nor anti-Semites have a monopoly on idiocy. Now get to bed before I tell your mommy that you've been abusing your internet privileges.]
Not funny, “Bardamu”, just kind of sweaty-palmed. Why don’t you fill us all in as to why you chose your nom-de-tool?
[Because of morons like you who can't separate the message from the messenger.]
Tell us about Celine, defender of Jews.
[I'm so honored to meet you, Abe Foxman.]
“Few of those societies catered to women at the expense of men in the way ours does. Societies in which men produce most of the monetary wealth also were societies in which men controlled and spent that wealth. In America it is overwhelmingly women that spend.”
I never said anything different. My point is that Universal Healthcare is inherently not very good for Men, even without feminism, because Men pay >50% of the cost while never getting >50% of the benefit.
“Not to mention but Universal ‘Healthcare’ will almost certainly encompass birth control and abortions like nearly every other UHC scheme in existence now; which seems to be one of your personal bugaboos.”
I wasn’t defending Universal Healthcare. My actual point was the exact opposite one that the idea has an Anti-Male bias even at a core level.
“Your ‘insightful’ point is irrelevant; as they frequently seem to be.”
No it IS relevant to what Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist was saying, that if Leftism and Feminism weren’t fused, it could make us live in a society where Universal Healthcare could be a positive for Men.
“…as they frequently seem to be.”
That’s because, as in this case, you aren’t reading them carefully enough to get the point.
“Yes, but there is no reason men should subsidize women.”
Do you mean Men as group shouldn’t subsidize Women as a group?
Because I think an individual Man who can afford it should subsidize his Wife while she is his Wife, unless she works outside the Home.
As an Arab/muslim naive to the Anglosphere, I would’ve thought that anti-semitism would’ve been non-existent, especially taking into account post Holocaust sentiments which are a great definer of modern ethics.
The problem is Bhetti, as Tarl so aptly illustrated, that human beings don’t like others who are different. Be that based on appearance, religion or origin. It’s part of human nature. Sure, a portion of people can look past differences, but most people prefer to stick with the herd. This was all taken as a common sense view till about WW2. The liberal ascendancy has forced people who are different to live together, a push that I feel will end in disaster. Just look at the former Yugoslavia. The Jewish experience also affirms this; the fact that they’ve been living with Europeans for 2000 years and are still considered as outsiders to the group is ample proof.
There are plenty of reasons to be critical of Jews, such as the fact 70% of American Jewish voters chose Obama, the attacks on Christianity by Jewish organizations, and the large numbers of anti-Constitution Jewish public figures (especially judges). However, it’s worth noting that most of those liberal Jews are probably just ethnic Jews and are not really religious. I doubt Orthodox Jews spend much time campaigning for Obama or drafting gun control laws.
Also, Hoste’s comparison was not very good, but it’s no more ridiculous than anything Auster writes about Jews. I like Auster’s writings, but whenever I see a blog post of his with “Jews,” “Israel,” or “Anti-Semites” I skip it. When he writes about Jews, he writes like a Jewish Jesse Jackson.
…forest for the trees…
Do you have Asperger’s by chance?
I don’t think even most hardcore MRAs are opposed to women getting healthcare at the expense of men; and indeed those MRAs that want a return to traditional patriarchy would pretty much require that women’s healthcare be required to be at the expense of men as men would ideally be the sole earners of income.
There is no ‘Anti-Male bias’ in UHC because women have higher healthcare costs for obvious reasons, and seeing to those health needs is a net societal good. If fathers actually had rights to their own children those female specific healthcare costs wouldn’t even be seen as intrinsically female for that matter. There isn’t any reason for prenatal care to be viewed as any more intrinsically female than there is for child support to be something paid by men to women nearly exclusively.
Now if those ‘healthcare’ costs are due to birth control, abortions, boob jobs and an endless stream of antidepressants; that’s a different story. It’s a completely different story especially in a society where women are increasingly the ones in control of resources as well.
PM/AF Tech’s point was about political capital though. Feminists are Leftists, and Leftists support UHC. If/when it gets implemented that just gives Feminists greater political capital. The political movement that is synonymous with Feminism gaining dominance would be bad for men. It doesn’t have anything to do with out of pocket expenses. Men already overwhelmingly pay for women’s benefit, and there are plenty of schemes to get into men’s wallets for the benefit of women; so not much changes on a monetary scale.
“People from the Philippines never go to Israel because of geography and the racial immigration laws”
That’s nonsense, there are lots of Filipina guest workers in Israel just like in Saudi Arabia.
And do you seriously think that Saudi Arabia allows Filipinos to immigrate?
“Do you deny that Ancient China was a civilization? ”
If by “a civilization,” you mean “civilized by modern standards” then yes, I deny it. (That’s assuming that the Ancient Chinese did not tolerate dissent. I do not know one way or another.)
“That’s the sort of thing Israelis EMPLOYED BY THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT do.”
Lol, even the article you link to does not support your claim.
Anyway, are you saying that any country where government employees have harvested organs of deceased people without consent of their families is “uncivilized”?
[Must be sad thinking that everyone's out to get you because you go to temple on Friday nights, and not because you're a spiteful little twerp who sees anti-Semitism where there is none. - ed.]
Not everyone – just hysterical, over the top anti-antiSemites of the breed Marx spoke of.
[Since I said NINETY COMMENTS AGO that I'm neither an anti-Semite nor an anti-anti-Semite, all you've proven is your inability to read. - ed.]
Yeah, looking around your site, I’d say there’s no way any evidence of a racist rube here. None at all.
[Did you jack off to your Obama poster while you wrote that?]
Again, not even funny, just goyish and puerile.
["Goyish"? How tolllllerant of you. Remind me again why I should care if a bigot thinks I'm a bigot?]
Not funny, “Bardamuâ€, just kind of sweaty-palmed. Why don’t you fill us all in as to why you chose your nom-de-tool?
[Because of morons like you who can't separate the message from the messenger.]
That’s not an answer, sweaty-palms.
[You get the answers you deserve, whiner. Think about that the next time you wander onto someone else's blog and insult them right off the bat.]
Tell us about Celine, defender of Jews.
[I'm so honored to meet you, Abe Foxman.]
Yeah, you’ve got us rolling with that one. Now for the last time, could you explain why a guy who writes a blustery article about some other antiSemite refers to himself by the most famous character created by one of the most antiSemitic men in an age of antiSemites?
[Ever consider that anti-Semitism, or the Jews period aren't exactly a big concern of mine judging by the sorts of posts I write? PROTIP: check the archives!]
With all of your dissembling, you could see why we’d be suspicious of your little article, couldn’t you?
[What do you mean "we", paleface? You're the only one here who gives a rat's ass.]
Bagatelles pour un massacre is not clearly separate from the author’s earlier novels such as Voyage to the End of the Night or Death on the Installment Plan. Celine’s alter ego Ferdinand (Bardamu) appears in this book as well. He relates his trials and tribulations and lashes out against these wrongs: individual powerlessness in a world of decadence that periodically lets itself get dragged into bloody, senseless wars, the alcoholism and stupidity of the French, militarism and the failure of communism, which the author described after a journey through Russia in Mea Culpa (1936). The new element was that the pamphlets with their very violent language attributed all the evils afflicting France to the Jews. Anti-Semitism is present in all of Celine’s work and expanded into incredible proportions due to various conditions in the 1930s. Like others, Celine believed in the “Jewish conspiracy”. He, too, claimed that Jews controlled all cultural means thanks to their financial power and mutual solidarity, thereby stifling the original, purely national culture with an imported sub-culture run by Jews.
So what’s your answer, pal? Are you the big rough and tumble slayer of antiSemites across the web, or the guy who deliberately names himself Ferdinand Bardamu and all that that suggests?
[I'm the slayers of morons, whatever they believe in. If you think I've got a secret agenda, knock yourself out. Thanks for all the laughs. - ed.]
“That’s nonsense, there are lots of Filipina guest workers in Israel just like in Saudi Arabia.”
What’s the basis for this claim?
And what’s the basis for your previous claim that the Philippine Government only warns Filipina Women of prostitution scams in the Arab World, and not Israel?
Also it must be noted that all the Women known to have been sexually enslaved in Israel were White Women.
This may suggest there’s a motive of Anti-White Gentile hatred behind the crime, and behind the refusal of the Government to crack down on it. Therefore it may be that the Filipina Women in Israel are relatively safe.
But this says nothing about the overall rate of Sexual Slavery in Israel.
“And do you seriously think that Saudi Arabia allows Filipinos to immigrate?”
They may allow them in temporarily as guest workers, that is certain possible given that Dubai allows guest workers from Southeast Asia in.
“If by ‘a civilization,’ you mean ‘civilized by modern standards’ then yes, I deny it.”
Then your definition of civilization is just a code word for Democracy, just as George W. Bush’s use of civilization was a code word for that.
No Historian would accept your definition, except maybe a Neocon or two.
“even the article you link to does not support your claim.”
They harvested organs from Palestinians. You’d have to be very naive to think they swooped into the funerals of Palestinians who died of natural causes and stole the organs without the permission of the families.
The Israeli army is going to have access to dead Palestinians after they kill them, therefore it’s a reasonable inference that they stole organs from Palestinians they had killed.
“Anyway, are you saying that any country where government employees have harvested organs of deceased people without consent of their families is “uncivilizedâ€?â€
If there’s every reason to think that Country was responsible for killing the people they stole the organs of, and given that the report being confirmed provoked no outrage in the populace of the Country, I would say such a Country as Israel is not civilized.
It’s the kind of barbarity I associate more with the depths of Africa than a Country that deserves to be called civilized.
“By the way, here are the U.S. State Department rankings of countries for human trafficking:
http://www.state.gov/g/tip/rls/tiprpt/2009/123132.htm
Note that the lowest tier includes such places as Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and Malaysia.”
Human Trafficking does NOT mean the same thing as Sexual Slavery.
Sexual Slavery is both the far more specific term, and the infinitely worse and more sadistic practice.
Reports looking at Sexual Slavery have found Israel to be among the absolute worst offenders.
[Since I said NINETY COMMENTS AGO that I'm neither an anti-Semite nor an anti-anti-Semite, all you've proven is your inability to read. - ed.]
It doesn’t matter what you said, dissembler, it matters what you are, and what you are is a guy who calls himself Ferdinand Bardamu, so all your blabbering about some other guy’s antiSemitism is either psychotic or bullshit or some combination.
“Remind me again why I should care if a bigot thinks I’m a bigot?” You chose the pen name, pal (and thanks for that feigned outrage I asked for).
“Think about that the next time you wander onto someone else’s blog and insult them right off the bat.]”
Oooh, big tough guy with a blog full of insults doesn’t like to be insulted.
“Ever consider that anti-Semitism, or the Jews period aren’t exactly a big concern of mine judging by the sorts of posts I write?” No, I didn’t consider that – from a look at your nasty little site, your posts are all about defaming people, so one where you suddenly attack some other guy for defaming people seems kind of suspect.
“What do you mean “we”, paleface? You’re the only one here who gives a rat’s ass.”
I meant my two roommates here at Tulane, both of whom are, per your code, “Manhattan trust-fund brats”. Besides, I doubt if I’m the only one on this site who cares – I’ll bet other people would find the ideological gap between what you’re saying about this other guy and the name you’ve given yourself kind of fishy.
This is exactly what I meant. Feminist & Leftist control of government currently means that big government is always anti-male even if you can come up with an explanation why an aspect of big government should be pro-male.
Yes, and men shouldn’t be required to subsidize women individually either. No man should be forced or pressured into marrying a woman. If women want men to marry them then women need to shape up and improve themselves big time. Also, the all of the incentives against men getting married need to be taken away.
Men should not subsidize women sitting around on their fat asses.
@Hannagan,
Um, since we’re on the subject of assertions masquerading as argument, who the fuck made you the arbiter of who is white and who isn’t?
From where I sit the Jews are as white as the Micks – and both are more white than the Italians, Greeks, and Spanish.
In your case, trying and failing.
“If women want men to marry them then women need to shape up and improve themselves big time.”
Yeah, there’s a certain level of sluttiness, not very high by modern standards, where marriage stops making any sense for the Man.
Also there’s the issues that Women these days are less interested in domestic work, as you allude to, and more interested in pushing their husband around so he’ll do it.
“Also, the all of the incentives against men getting married need to be taken away.”
Indeed.
“Men should not subsidize women sitting around on their fat asses.”
Though it must be said that even Women who sit around and do nothing at home cost us a lot less than the ones who stumble into the workforce, stealing jobs from Men and running Companies into the ground.
Subsidizing Women to lounge around the house all day would probably the single smartest thing we could do to improve gender relations, as long as the subsidy was reasonable in per capita size.
Tarl,
Even Ashkenazi Jews, the least Middle Eastern of Jews by far, are outside the European genetic cluster including Italians, English, Irish, Spanish, etc.
As a chart in this article shows, Ashkenazi Jews are intermediate between American Whites and Druze:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2009/01/how-ashkenazi-jewish-are-you/
I’ve just discovered a very important reason why Men most assuredly SHOULD subsidize Women sitting on their butts all day:
“It is the look that turned the heads of millions of men but now seems to be the victim of social trends.
And career women (damn them!) may be unwittingly responsible.
The classic hourglass shape, made famous by Sophia Loren and Marilyn Monroe, is less common among the women of today
According to anthropologist Elizabeth Cashdan, high-powered working women are less likely to have the classic shape of a tiny waist with wide hips and large bosom due to the stress levels associated with their jobs.
Instead, women who work to support their families (damn their families for not supporting them!) probably carry a touch more fat than they would like around their stomachs, rather than their hips, says Professor Cashdan.
The move away from the Hollywood siren of yesteryear towards the more angular attractions of the likes of Keira Knightley is attributed to androgens, a type of hormone that includes testosterone.
These hormones help women become physically stronger and more able to withstand stress – attributes that are needed to hold down high-powered jobs.
As a result, working women today are more likely to have a more ‘straight up and down’ figure.”
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1108830/End-hourglass-Career-women-usher-straighter-female-form.html#ixzz0lcnGN862
And people wonder why Women these days have turned into a bunch of in your face and unpleasant dykes!
God is punishing us for letting and/or making them go into the workforce.
“What’s the basis for this claim?
And what’s the basis for your previous claim that the Philippine Government only warns Filipina Women of prostitution scams in the Arab World, and not Israel?”
I know a lot of Filipinos and a lot of Israelis.
“They may allow them in temporarily as guest workers, ”
So let’s see if I understand your argument:
(1) Israel does not allow Filipinos to immigrate
(2) Therefore there must not be any Filipino workers in Israel
(3) Saudi Arabia does not allow Filipinos to immigrate
(4) But it’s possible that Saudi Arabia has Filipinos working there.
Does that pretty much sum it up?
“Then your definition of civilization is just a code word for Democracy”
No, I meant exactly what I said, nothing more and nothing less. A country which does not tolerate dissent is uncivilized by modern standards.
“They harvested organs from Palestinians. You’d have to be very naive to think they swooped into the funerals of Palestinians who died of natural causes and stole the organs without the permission of the families.”
“If there’s every reason to think that Country was responsible for killing the people they stole the organs of”
Lol, here’s a quote from your article:
“The organs were harvested from individuals who died from various causes, but AP reported that there has been no evidence to back up Aftonbladet’s claim that Israeli soldiers killed Palestinians for their organs.”
So even going by YOUR article your claim fails.
“Reports looking at Sexual Slavery have found Israel to be among the absolute worst offenders.”
Reports by reputable organizations? Reports by people/organizations who are obviously anti-Semitic? I’d like to see. Please link to one or two of these reports.
Jew vs. Muslim is often a false opposition; e.g. Israel protects Saudi-Arabia from Iran.
Moderate Zionists like the ADL protect moderate Muslims.
That said, the only Jews that are reliably anti-Islam are the Kahanists.
http://virtualjudah.wordpress.com
Ferdinand,
“Men’s Rights”, like “White Civil Rights”, are non-starters. They both operate on the oligarchy’s rhetoric (civil rights, equality, social justice, etc…) rather than its reality. The reality is that the meritocracy designed by America’s WASP oligarchy was an open invitation for the most gifted, motivated, and organized oligarchy of all (Jews) to sweep in and replace them. They’ve built a formidable coalition in opposition to the Anglo-American Christian males they’ve dethroned and a key component of that coalition is White women: feminists.
I believe we can look to the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Russian nation which is rising like a phoenix from the ruins for some ideas on how to proceed. First, I believe you’re correct in implying that the system is inherently unstable and due to collapse – hopefully within a decade or so.
[Have you read "The Misandry Bubble"? It's a futurist piece by one of my blog-rades predicting exactly that. It's long and you probably won't agree with all of it, but its thought provoking nonetheless. - ed.]
After a period of ennui and confusion, Russians have began to resurrect their traditional institutions and folkways more or less intact. The once-moribund Orthodox church is growing rapidly – with women in the lead. The czar has been more or less resurrected in Putin’s cult of personality. As Locklin correctly implied in his infamous screed, Russia’s women have become among the most traditional and desired in the world.
I can’t predict the future and I’m not declaring that things will go down exactly like they did in Russia. But that’s where I’m coming from.
I believe that beneath Roissy’s arrogant bravado is a tortured Raskolnikov yearning for divine justice from traditional authority, and I wouldn’t be surprised if that were your condition as well.
[You catch on quick. I'm skeptical about reasserting traditionalism in a world that's been morphed by technology, but I think that the better parts of it can and must be implemented for societal sanity. I once joked about the Roissysphere being a "herd of hedonists stampeding towards Puritanism," and I don't think I was inaccurate.]
I strive for a world in which White American males and females live up to becoming men and women. In that sense, I’m probably guilty of being a “white knight”. Though, as a White Nationalist, I probably need to note that I’m not affiliated or associated in any way with those other White Knights.
[Perhaps I was mistaken about you, though this wouldn't be the first time I've changed my mind over someone I antagonized. Thanks for the comments, Matt.]
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It doesn’t matter what you said, dissembler, it matters what you are, and what you are is a guy who calls himself Ferdinand Bardamu, so all your blabbering about some other guy’s antiSemitism is either psychotic or bullshit or some combination.
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It takes a churl to call himself Ferdinand Bardamu on a vanity-press website, but it takes a more oafish churl to use that screen name as a blanket disqualification of all speech.
The opening line of the original post was:
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Alone among prejudices, anti-Semitism makes total and complete morons out of its adherents.
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…but when I consider some of the pro-Jewish rhetoric posted in this comment section, I wonder whether the original author is willing to admit that Jews who hate non-Jews sometimes become so close to completely moronic that it takes an expert to tell the difference?
[There's idiots on both sides. If I ever get set off by an anti-anti-Semite one of these days, rest assured you'll be reading a post lambasting them too. - ed.]
Whether or not the author concedes the above point, I do encourage him to read Kevin MacDonald and Israel Shahak.
[I don't agree with the things you've been saying in your comments, but I have an open mind. I'll be sure to check both those guys out.]
According to Paul, God will not call the Jews to repentance until He is done with the gentiles. It’s in Romans. Chapter 11, I believe.
1) That ignores all of the cases of women being abused, honor killed, etc. for choosing who they will marry.
2) That ignores all of the abuse that is common of wives in the Islamic world such as beating women for leaving the house with a male relative (married women cannot even grocery shop in much of the Arab world for their husbands while they’re at work!)
3) That ignores the countless examples of “pious Muslim men” gang-raping infidel women, which is as common as the day is long in countries like Egypt with large numbers of religious minorities.
4) The fact that it is normal in many Islamic countries to mutilate the genitalia of women until they are physically incapable of enjoying sex.
5) The fact that women are routinely bought and sold as young girls to much older men in “white slaver” conditions, only it is “above board” because it’s **legal** in many Islamic countries.
But yeah, I could see how inhuman Israel is because it has a bit of a problem with what are probably Eastern European gangs bringing in sex slaves to Israel–as they do all across Europe by your own Wikipedia citation more than makes up for the way that women are treated in the majority of the Islamic world.
” Auster, a man who I disagree with but is intellectually honest and consistent”
He’s not. Present him with a fact that invalidates a dearly held idea of his and he’ll reject the existence of that fact. I’ve encountered this with him several times (and no, none of those cases had anything to do with Jews).
Other than that, sound post.
Pro-Male/Anti-Feminist Tech:”There are very few people who directly associate Jews with feminism like the WNs do.”
Again, just LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE of Jewish involvement in radical feminism during the 20th century and now in the 21st…the evidence is overwhelming and indisputable: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Jewish_feminists
It goes without saying that 20th/21st century radical feminism (which is composed disproportionately of Jews) is also very often pro-diversity, anti-Western (and often thus anti-White), far leftist, pro mass immigration, pro ‘social justice,’ and especially ANTI-WHITE MALE.
“That ignores all of the cases of women being abused, honor killed, etc. for choosing who they will marry.”
Only a stupid society allows Women to choose who they marry.
“That ignores all of the abuse that is common of wives in the Islamic world such as beating women for leaving the house with a male relative…”
Actually, in Countries where it’s firmly established that a Husband has authority over his Wife, there’s going to be less Anti-Female violence. And certainly, the murder rate for females in the Islamic World is much lower than in the Feminism worshipping West.
“That ignores all of the abuse that is common of wives in the Islamic world such as beating women for leaving the house with a male relative.”
That’s a Pre-Islamic practice. And more importantly it isn’t being done to White Women.
I don’t care very much what Xs do to the Women of Tribe X. They own those Women, and can do to them as they please.
What’s wrong and evil is what Jew headed gangs are doing to White Women in Eastern Europe, and this is what I want to see stamped out.
” The fact that women are routinely bought and sold as young girls to much older men in “white slaver†conditions, only it is “above board†because it’s **legal** in many Islamic countries.”
No it’s not. Selling a Woman to be a Whore is illegal in EVERY Islamic Country.
Thanks Tupac, PMAFT, slumlord, Ferdinand. I’ll keep my thoughts to myself, but you and other commenters have highlighted different aspects of the problem that almost doesn’t require my input, because it’ll just be a synthesis and summary.
Ferd,
Why are you refusing to label yourself an “anti-anti-Semite” as it’s some sort of bad thing. If you’re calling anti-Semites stupid and dishonest, than doesn’t make you “anti-anti-Semite.” I get that you’re not fond of the overly-PC nature of the ADL, but I don’t think you can pull off an agnostic act on this.
[Because I believe anti-Semites - the more rational and honest of them, anyway - have some points in regard to Jewish influence and behavior. My position on this issue is close to Lawrence Auster or Guy White. - ed.]
Damn good read and thread!
Mike T.-
Southerns are not more “American” than northerners. I hold the Native American card, that trumps all. Northern whites and blacks had been sleeping together as early as the land was first being settled, just like they were in the south. New York saw immigrants form every nationality from across the world, with millions staying in the northern states, and they all mixed. I believe there is more race diversity in the northern half of the US by the “settlement geography” records I’ve looked at.
Just LOOK AT THE EVIDENCE of WHITE involvement in radical feminism.
[Don't bother, man. These people don't even consider Jews to be white. By what mutilations of logic they can seriously argue that, I have no clue, but that will hobble any argument you try to have with them. - ed.]
There’s no reason to do either. Either they can try and hack it in the workforce without affirmative action and all other female protections or they can shape up and improve for men. There is no reason women should be subsidized at the workplace or to sit on their ass at home.
Matt,
I think you have rose-colored glasses on regarding what is going on in Russia and with the Orthodox Church. The Church might as well be an apparatus of the State over there, and it’s theology is crafted by modern Russian politics, not ancient tradition. Women leading should be a clue that tradition, outisde of superficiality, is not what they have at hand. It’s more Soviet style ultra-egalitarianism and State worship dressed up in Christian clothing.
The Orthodox Church didn’t rise out of the fires of the Soviet Union. It was reforged into something completely different during that time, and the Church resurfaced (and never fully went under despite persecution) before the USSR collapsed. Any Bishop appointed to Church authority for the decades had to be approved by KGB committees. The Church isn’t any less servile to contemporary government authority now than it has been for a long time, and it’s appointment process isn’t likely very different.
Russia’s ‘rise’ is mostly veneer. It would be hard to get any lower than they were a few decades ago, and there really wasn’t anywhere to go but up. The country still has serious problems though, and much of its population is just as bitterly materialistic and nihilistic as the modern West; and just as many still cling to their egalitarian fantasies. Russia isn’t reverting to its old ways; it’s simply appropriating images of its past to spruce up the place without changing much in the way of policy.
“Either they can try and hack it in the workforce without affirmative action and all other female protections…”
They would utterly fail. Even with Affirmative Action for Women acting as a massive transfer of wealth from Men to Women our society is nearing a point where the current system of combining Monogamous Marriage and the tolerance of Mass Bachelorhood will have to be abandoned (one way or the other).
“…or they can shape up and improve for men.”
Sounds good to me.
“There is no reason women should be subsidized at the workplace or to sit on their ass at home.”
Are you talking about Women who get alimony here? Women who get alimony get money for doing nothing, I admit.
And Women who refuse their wifely duties and yet still receive support from the Husbands are getting money for nothing as well.
Yeah, I don’t really support that. I was mostly making the point that Women in the Workforce are worse than useless, and that it would therefore make sense on an economic level to pay them to stay out of the workforce.
But of course the problem is that this might discourage them from bothering to perform useful functions for their Husbands, and that might make the economic advantage of the “Pay Women To Stay Out of the Workforce†plan seem trivial in the grand scheme of things.
“These people don’t even consider Jews to be white.”
My definition of White is European Caucasian. Jews are Non-European Caucasians, and if you include them as White you also have to include other Non-European Caucasians like the Arab and Iranians.
Reginald is a Green Knight, or a musulman-gina. Constantly bragging how Islam is tough on rapists, pimps and molestors, and how it protects women from objectification, and being a improved feminism.
And in doing so, he betrays his own ancestors (assuming he’s a white European) who proudly fought against everything Islam stood for.
Nah. Reginald is a Christian. He still values Christian society over Islamic society. It’s just that if he was given a choice between athiestic liberalism or Islam, he’d choose Islam. I don’t like the guy but to call him a traitor is unfair. His overwrought concern for (white) women being sexuality exploited however, does make him a white knight/mangina.
I didn’t realize Virginia Dare was Jewish.
Ferdinand, you’re not covering yourself with glory w/r/t Brimelow’s salary. Read the comments of the article you linked to find Brimelow’s response. The blog author immediately posted them as an update (way back in May 2009).
http://thecoldequations.blogspot.com/2009/05/vdares-defenders-respond.html
[Fair enough. Pulled. VDARE still sucks, though. - ed.]
gil,
Very well said, except for the last part.
When a Man mocks God, he mocks himself.
And when a White Man stops caring deeply what happens to White Women, on a fundamental level he has stopped caring what happens to himself.
You cannot hate the tree and yet love the fruit. And you cannot hate White Women and yet love yourself as a White Man.
To not be outraged at how White Women are being treated, all too often without their consent, to not be outraged at how Atheistic Liberalism has inflicted a far worse lot on them than they had in more humane times, is a form of hating them.
Half my ancestors were Women, as surely as half my Ancestors were Men.
I take more after the Men, but still owe my life to the Women as much as to the Men. Thank Heaven my White Male ancestors cared enough about the Women of their people to put everything they had into protecting them from sexual exploitation.
“VDARE still sucks, though.”
I admit to only reading Sailer and Brimelow.
“And when a White Man stops caring deeply what happens to White Women, on a fundamental level he has stopped caring what happens to himself.”
Reginald,
There is a limit my friend. I can understand worrying about the womenfolk in your family or even in your town but worrying about all white women everywhere is a little much. You are not that close to them even if they share your civilization and the concern you feel for them is not mutual. I see no reason to feel sorry for some NYC lawyer cunt that gets game run on her by some unsavory characters. Sometimes people get what they deserve, it may be fate or the work of God, but I don’t think it is very manly to be overly concerned about women with low moral character. Men certainly did not make them that way and they should be held responsible for their own foolish actions, not us or society. And I apologize for calling you a retard. That was wrong, but in the future try to temper your comments and use less emotion. You are a reasonable person, just make sure it is reflected in your posts.
Sure gil,
“You are not that close to them”
Genetically they are.
“I see no reason to feel sorry for some NYC lawyer…”
Female lawyers are a special case. There’s a threshold of Masculinization and Wealth where a White Women loses the right to expect White Men to protect her.
If anything, White Female Lawyers should be protecting ME, and until they start doing this I’ll not favor some of the most dominant members of society being made even stronger.
“Sometimes people get what they deserve…”
And more often the people who really deserve to be punished get off scot free. You know, I don’t think it’s Justice operating in the World when some boy from the backwoods loses the use of his legs in punishment for choosing to support what America did to Iraq.
It especially isn’t Justice in the context of how the people who planned the thing, and who talked gullible Hicks into going along with it, got off with no punishment at all (some of them even getting Presidential Medals of Freedom).
I admit that when a Girl voluntarily chooses to help Hugh Hefner or Joe Francis wage war against the traditional culture of the West, she is doing an evil thing in the same way that when a Boy voluntarily chooses to help the American Military try to wage war against the traditional culture of the Muslims, he is doing an evil thing.
But really what we usually have here are people who lack the proper guidance from society.
At the same time there’s a certain degree of complicity with preexisting evil and exploitation where punishment is warranted.
That’s why I think Women who voluntary appear in the film or video based forms of Pornography, specifically the kind with people actually having sex, should be executed by the State.
Also I think Women who choose to be Prostitutes, and who refuse to reform themselves, should probably be put in jail for life. You just reach a point with some people where they can’t be trusted to play a role of any kind in society, as all they’ll do is corrupt the relatively uncorrupted.
“but I don’t think it is very manly to be overly concerned about women with low moral character.”
Many Eastern European White Women who end up sexually enslaved were of perfectly fine moral character, some of them were even married and perfectly good wives to their husbands.
What drives these Women of fine moral character to take the disastrous step of seeking work overseas is something, they and/or their husbands being fearfully poor, that is completely outside their control.
This is why it isn’t White Women from the most decadent parts of the West who end up sexually enslaved, but instead White Women from the parts of the West with the most Whites suffering from privation.
If there was really justice in the World, Betty Freidan, Susan Sontag, and the Woman who invented salary proportionate child support would be the ones who ended up having the extremity of male brutality visited upon them.
But instead Women like that are always protected, because things today are run by people who place a high value on premeditated evil.
“If there was really justice in the World, Betty Freidan, Susan Sontag, and the Woman who invented salary proportionate child support would be the ones who ended up having the extremity of male brutality visited upon them.”
We could agree with that.
You see, it’s bad for Men too when those that do evil have no fear of vengeance.
It’s bad for Women when Pimps and Rapists have no fear of vengeance.
It’s bad for Children when Child Molesters have no fear of vengeance.
And it’s bad for Men when Women who do evil or think about it have no fear of vengeance.
How the Evil loving West of today treats Women who cuckold their husbands is especially instructive, I think. In a society not governed by the principle of tolerating evil, a Women caught cuckolding her Husband would consider herself lucky to get out of the marriage with her life.
But in the West today many such Women get out of the marriage larded with monetary rewards extracted from the poor Man they defrauded for years.
In a society built on the principle of tolerating evil, Men will never be safe because there’s enough potential for evil in Women to make our lives miserable.
“Hoste is equating an Israeli embassy’s single, solitary complaint over a cartoon with the entire Muslim world holding protests, making death threats, and generally going apeshit over a cartoon.”
Are you aware that thousands of people have been imprisoned and heavily fined in Germany and other European countries for criticizing Jews? Jewish groups were the impetus behind many anti-free speech laws long before Muslims were on anyone’s radar screen.
[I oppose those laws as well, but getting fined and jailed is not the same as getting killed. - ed.]
It is an exageration to say that paleos get weepy over the Palestinians. We simply point out the obvious fact that Israel is an ethnostate with practices that border on apartheid.
[Given that most of you defended South Africa when everyone was boycotting them in the '80's because of apartheid, your crocodile tears aren't convincing me at all. - ed.]
The target of these remarks are the so-called ‘conservative’ Jews — the J. Goldbergs of the world– who are quick to pull the ‘anti-racist’ schtick but who defend their tribal ‘homeland’. Its called pointing out the contradictions.
If there was really justice in the World, Betty Freidan, Susan Sontag, and the Woman who invented salary proportionate child support would be the ones who ended up having the extremity of male brutality visited upon them.
Hmm. Don’t know about number 3, but one and two are certainly members of the ‘chosen’.
This site’s readers are welcome to go through the Occidental Dissent archives and decide for themselves whether Denise’s post was typical. They can decide for themselves if we hypocritically whine about the Palestinians. They can decide for themselves if we’re “loathsomeâ€. I think they’ll find that we’re a reasonable bunch who make a convincing case that White Americans have the same self-evident right to determine their own destiny among their own people that every other people possess. @ Matt Parrott
[Y'all are a reasonable bunch by my estimation. It's the people in the comment threads who are making y'all look bad. If you can't see why letting tinfoil hat theorists spew their nonsense all over your comment threads is a problem, you've got real problems.] @ Ferdinand Bardamu
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Ferdinand,
The problem regarding ‘Manginary’ and the foolish toleration of idiots with the Occidental Dissent guys, IMHO, is that Hunter Wallace and some of the other editors do not ‘man up’ enough and discourage the losers from hanging around their site.
This is especially so with that mental cancer, that emotional vampire commenter ‘Denise’ – who is an absolute and shameless anti-male harpie – who just after recently embarrassing the living snot out of herself and Occidental Dissent with her psychotic post ‘Charm School’, brought a ‘friend’ of hers along to the site and, as you probably guessed, this new female commenter ‘Annie’ starts off attacking men who disagree with her:
So many ‘White Nationalists’ are afflicted with such pathetically low self-esteem that they are happy when anyone, no matter how scummy, comes along and ‘validates’ them. Some of them absolutely seem to piss their pants in excitement when a woman shows up – even if such a woman is a seeming feminist who in fact emasculates them.
Ferdinand, maybe you can talk some sense into Hunter Wallace and Robert Campbell, and encourage them to think a bit more strategically in the long-term interests of their blog and not let old, hateful misandric misanthropes derail and bring it down, since it really is a good place for reasoned discussion on the, as you call it, ‘taboo’ subjects of the day.
[Hunter has already told me he plans to crack down on the idiocy in the comment threads, and I'm grateful. The signal to noise ratio at that site is so bad it's astounding, especially when you consider that the regular contributors are smart, sensible people. - ed.]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_feminists
[You DON'T need to copy the entire freaking list! Especially since doing so landed your comment in the spam bin! - ed.]
I’m glad that the people here generally like OD’s content.
As an admin over there, I can’t understand why Hunter allows half the crap he does. It’s one of the reasons why my contributions on that site have become less frequent.
Two sides of the same coin really. Auster and co (yourself included) are paranoid about Muslims taking over. Hoste and co are anti semites. Neither have a good understanding of history, theology and politics but give their imagined enemies way too much credit and power and scare themselves into a lather.
This post of yours reads like the pot calling the kettle black.
Auster, a man who I disagree with but is intellectually honest…
Are you kidding?!
“THE JEWS ARE AN ALIEN BODY within the society they inhabit†wrote the British historian Hillaire Belloc ((1870-1953) ) in his 1922 book, “The Jews.”
In his book Belloc made a very telling observation regarding the Jews and their relation to their host nations:
— “The Jew comes to an alien society at first in small numbers. He is treated as a friend. He thrives. His numbers increase.
Then through a divergence between his aims and those of his hosts he creates (or discovers) a growing animosity. He resents it. He opposes his hosts who wish to be masters in their own house. The Jew resists their claim. It comes to violence. It is always the same miserable sequence.â€
Looking through history, we see no successful multicultural societies; all of them die out or collapse into third-world status within a few generations. Looking through history again, we see no society that has successfully hosted a politically-active Jewish population without collapsing or, because one cannot in civility remove a parasite, resorting to increasingly violent pogroms, of which the Holocaust is only the most recent and most publicized. Judaism is parasitic, there’s no doubt about that. It makes a clear distinction between “the chosen people” and those goyim who are provided by the Jewish god to be a means of sustenance for the Jewish tribe. Admirably, Judaism is also racist, limiting itself for the most part to those of the Jewish ethnicity and excluding outsiders from its learning.
Where Europeans tend toward idealism, including the concept of self-sacrifice for a higher good, Judaism sees only the individual and individual comfort, and doesn’t concern itself with long-term consequences.
There is no solution to the Jewish question except to resolve that they and their partial descendants be ejected from European lands, as they are incompatible. Interestingly, this can be done without bigotry, because we don’t need to shoot them or hate them or gas them, only to recognize that according to our values system, their beliefs are degenerate and parasitic. To them, it may not be so, but that’s not our job to decide. Our job is to decide whether or not Jews fit in our society, and the answer is a resounding NO.
Great posts Thiry.
“It is always the same miserable sequence.”
Yes, it is always “the same miserable sequence” — though I’m only 27 years of age I’ve studied these historical patterns for a few years now, and it is all rather predictable; it goes something like:
(1) Slow Jewish infiltration in to non-Jewish nation, society, or territory
(2) Jews are often heralded or given a kind of ‘special status’ by non-Jewish elites because they do tend to boost a nation’s economic prominence due to the fact that they are indeed good at promoting commerce of all kinds
(3) Eventually Jewish parasitism leads to concentration of much of a nation’s wealth and productive capacity in the hands of a very insular, corrupt, and hyper-ethnocentric Jewish plutocracy; the former benevolent elite is often deposed by an increasingly hostile Jewish elite, or else the Jews seek to intermarry with the non-Jewish elite in order to gain their elite non-Jewish genes
(4) Slowly but surely widespread cultural, political, and economic decadence, decay, and decline arises which can be directly traced back to the rise of Jewish power in the non-Jewish society
(5) Finally there is the inevitable flaring up of anti-Jewish violence and/or expulsionist sentiment by a surviving native racial/ethnic nationalist remnant; many Jews are expelled or immigrate when times get tough, only to start the Jewish cycle of infiltration—>parasitism—>persecution over somewhere else
It is amazing how predictable it all is once you examine the historical evidence.
Who Rules America?
http://www.natall.com/who-rules-america/
I’m glad that the people here generally like OD’s content.
As an admin over there, I can’t understand why Hunter allows half the crap he does. It’s one of the reasons why my contributions on that site have become less frequent. – Sam Davidson
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Sam,
You are one of my absolute favorite contributors over there at Occidental Dissent!
And yes, it is unfirtunate the quality of the posts have been slipping lately – especially since that weirdo ‘Denise’ and her ‘friend’ ‘Annie’ came around insulting and gratuitously attacking the guys, and attempting to use the blog for their own personal therapy and attention-wh–ing.
Sam, PLEASE talk some sense into Hunter and that fellow Robert Campbell (whom ‘Denise’ claims to ‘know’) and encourage them to discourage her or her emotionally unstable ‘friends’ from posting there, and polluting and degrading the fine quality of that blog.
Seriously, as the old saying goes – ‘with ‘friends’ like those two – who needs enemies’??
One can argue that Statist Zionism is one of the few political ideologies that actually acted to solve the major political problem facing it, in that it gave the surviving Eastern European Jews of the period 1955-1990 an exit from the eternal Jewish fate of persecution when Romania, Hungary, Poland and the USSR finally turned to the long-delayed and Pan-European-gratifying task of extirpating the surviving remnant of Europe’s Jews. Its contretemps with Palestinian nationalism and Arab-Jewish identity notwithstanding, it is still one of the only political ideologies to be an unqualified success in terms of the Jewish Question as it existed in post WW2 Europe.
Observer said “So many ‘White Nationalists’ are afflicted with such pathetically low self-esteem that they are happy when anyone, no matter how scummy, comes along and ‘validates’ them. Some of them absolutely seem to piss their pants in excitement when a woman shows up – even if such a woman is a seeming feminist who in fact emasculates them.”
As an Observer and not a Participant, how do you know that many White nationalists are afflicted with pathetically low self esteem? Have you ever met any White nationalists in person? Have you ever attended any of their meetings? Have you ever personally conversed with them at length? No, I very much doubt you ever have. So you really don’t know what you are talking about and you’re just spouting off.
Occidental Dissent is very much an intellectual, rationalistic, and often philosophical website – look at the painting at the top, which is “The School of Athens” by Raphael. Most of the writers there are high IQ intellectuals, as are many (but clearly not all) of the commenters. If you want to see the comments of more female White nationalists head over to Stormfront where they have had hundreds of female commenters for many years. Since so many females are petty attention seekers I agree that female contributors and commenters do tend to degrade the quality unless they are very intelligent and also on their best behavior. Luckily a good chunk of the content on Occidental Dissent is too high brow, nuanced, philosophical, and intellectual for most women to comprehend, since very few women are deep thinkers like standard intellectual men – thus they avoid sites like that. Women prefer the decidedly low brow, stuff like celebrity gossip, pop culture, and shopping to discussions about the survival of the White race. Plus, women don’t view race the same way men do, numerous scientific studies show that – they are more focused on trivial things, materialism and status seeking the like, to care too much about the vagaries of race. It is interesting though that women become A LOT more personally racist when they are menstruating, pregnant, or have small children – this is an instinctive reaction to protecting their offspring from other races, or else avoiding getting raped and impregnated by a male from another race when they are in their fertile period.
But in short, since you are Observer you don’t know what you are talking about. Instead of relying on internet commentary you should meet some White nationalists in person and then you will be able to accurately assess their self esteem.
[This HAS to be parody. - ed.]
Shalom;
Great Post. I am 100% Pro-White, you should see all the left wing Jewish nazis that hate my guts and my sister, JewishWhiteNationalist.
I lived in sanctuary cities, I dont understand how these Jew haters that say they are pro-American can be WITH palestine. It is like saying “I love Illegals here in the USA”
Anyhow, thanks for the great post. :D
@Stary: We simply point out the obvious fact that Israel is an ethnostate with practices that border on apartheid.
You mean the same way that they say the South Africans that are white were called Apartheid?
If America became TOTALLY Apartheid against Mexico, I wouldnt shed a tear.
How noble of you…Stary…. koo koo
Ed., I do hope that is a parody! However it does seem that many, if not most women are rather shallow in their thinking. And, they seem to be crowd pleasers, rarely daring to go against the flow (which is perhaps why most WNs are male.)
And, this may also be why so many online assume I’m male. (shrug)
Well, I finally managed to read this entire article and most of the comments.
The behavior of many online AS does mystify me, even though I have to say that much of what AS say about jews (lower-case, meaning leftard, self-hating ones) is true. Its almost as if the IQ of AS drop by about 100 points once the subject of Jews arises.
Even a WN who appears perfectly rational and sane when discussing negroes or other non-Whites, becomes downright batshit crazy when the discussion turns to Jews. I have no idea why.
As much as I hate leftard jews, I don’t think I come across as batshit crazy when discussing how much I despise them, even though half of me shares a common ethnicity with them. Why non-Jewish AS become so insane, I have no idea. Its the only form of hatred that makes its practitioners appear so ridiculous and laughable…so much so that I’m beginning to wonder if perhaps there is something Divinely intentioned about it (i.e., that it is Divinely ordained as a way to correct or discipline Jews by the Hand of God.)
JWN:”Why non-Jewish AS become so insane, I have no idea. Its the only form of hatred that makes its practitioners appear so ridiculous and laughable…”
Insane? Ridiculous? Laughable?
Nah…anti-Semitism has its genesis in Jewish economic parasitism and the rampant Jewish promotion of sociocultural decay once they come to power:
“Jews were 1% of the population. At the time (1932) almost half of all German private banks were Jewish owned, the stock exchange was dominated by Jewish stockbrokers and almost half of the nation’s newspapers were Jewish run as were 80 per cent of chain stores.” – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1194194/Has-historian-finally-real-reason-Hitlers-obsessive-hatred-Jews.html
“It was the Jews with their international affiliations and their hereditary flair for finance who were best able to seize such opportunities…They did so with such effect that, even in November 1938, after five years of anti-Semitic legislation and persecution, they still owned, according to the Times correspondent in Berlin, something like a third of the real property in the Reich. Most of it came into their hands during the inflation… But to those who had lost their all, this bewildering transfer seemed a monstrous injustice. After prolonged sufferings they had now been deprived of their last possessions. They saw them pass into the hands of strangers, many of whom had not shared their sacrifices and who cared little or nothing for their national standards and traditions…
The Jews obtained a wonderful ascendancy in politics, business and the learned professions [in spite of constituting] less than one percent of the population… The banks, including the Reichsbank and the big private banks, were practically controlled by them. So were the publishing trade, the cinema, the theatres and a large part of the press — all the normal means, in fact, by which public opinion in a civilized country is formed… The largest newspaper combine in the country with a daily circulation of four millions was a Jewish monopoly…
Every year it became harder and harder for a gentile to gain or keep a foothold in any privileged occupation. … At this time it was not the ‘Aryans’ who exercised racial discrimination. It was a discrimination that operated without violence. It was exercised by a minority against a majority. There was no persecution, only elimination. … It was the contrast between the wealth enjoyed — and lavishly displayed — by aliens of cosmopolitan tastes, and the poverty and misery of native Germans, that has made anti-Semitism so dangerous and ugly a force in the new Europe. Beggars on horseback are seldom popular, least of all with those whom they have just thrown out of the saddle. – by Sir Arthur Bryant, Unfinished Victory (1940) (slightly edited for brevity) – http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/authors/Darkmoon-GoodbyeI.html
Sound ridiculous? Noticing any patterns with what is happening in 21st Century America?
JewishWhiteNationalist,
Have you ever read Controversy of Zion by Douglas Reed? One of the themes in the book is how the Jewish oligarchs have historically exploited anti-Semites as useful idiots in keeping the Jewish folk in the ghetto. If you watch the new documentary about the ADL, Defamation, you’ll see that very process boiled down to a macabre amusement park ride they push their teenagers through like cattle.
Readers of a game site which regularly explores gender relations ought to be familiar with the impact of impotent rage. We have every reason to believe that we White Americans are being cuckolded on an epic global scale by your people and it’s maddening. We’re correct but we can’t win the arguments because you own the media and have astronomical verbal intelligence. We’re righteous defenders of our people and our way of life, but we’re set up to look like villains and fools.
You and yours will type a bunch of words after I hit submit, words which will distort the context, turn this into a forum about my flaws or defects, or words which will dance around the fact that my people are in a cultural and demographic death spiral that we WNs are desperately trying to escape. Nobody at OD ever says a anything about the Palestinians, but you smear us as bleeding heart hypocrites on the subject. Many of the contributors offer compelling ideas, but you focus on some tards in the comments. We can’t win, either in defending our ideals or in defending our people. It’s maddening.
In fact, if I dwell on it too long, I’m liable to start sounding stupid, ridiculous, and laughable.
“We’re correct but we can’t win the arguments because you own the media and have astronomical verbal intelligence.”
And nothing related to finance or economics, I repeat NOTHING, can get done in the USA without the full authorization of the Jewish-controlled Federal Reserve. It’s easy to control a nation when you have a very tight grip on its entire money supply, indeed when you have the ability to print all the money your Tribe and its allies will ever need to stay in full control.
When you use terms such as “you own”, or “you do this” or “you do that”, referring to me because I’m Jewish, you forget that Jews like me are in the minority and don’t matter to the jews who are ruining everything. In fact I have been spit upon by such jews for daring to disagree with their world-view.
You also forget that Jews like me hate the jews who are doing all of this more than you hate them. The problem is, like yours, we are too small in number to make a difference in their views.
JWN,
To the extent that you explicitly identify as Jewish, I believe it’s appropriate to speak to you as a representative of “your people”. But I haven’t forgotten that you’re exceptional in being a White Advocate. I don’t harass Jewish people who participate in the movement and I’ve been known to make a “white knight” of myself in defending them when they’re doing good work.
I won’t ask you to denounce your own people and in fact I’ll think less of you if you do. But, as you well know, we have a lot of reasons to be upset at organized Jewry. Don’t act surprised about it.
Matt Parrott: You say you would think less of me if I denounced my own people. You need to understand something: jews (lower case, for the leftist, atheistic ones) I do not regard as “my people”. I have sat shiva for them, in a sense (Jewish mourning ritual for those actually or spiritually dead.) I’m sorry if that makes you think less of me, although I hope you understand why I feel as I do. I would not lift one finger to help a leftist jew in any way, shape or form, because I see them as my enemy as much as he is yours.
The only Jews I do regard as “my people” are those who follow Jewish Law in terms of defending the country God has exiled them to (in my case, America); who oppose things Jewish Law opposes (such as abortion, homosexuality, feminism, and the like), and those Jews who seek to live their lives spiritually without harming anyone else.
I will and often have denounced the first group; I would never denounce the second one.
I have feel deeply distressed for most of my adult life at the way leftist jews have worked to destroy the American nation and way of life. More than any other people, the American people have welcomed the Jews and have been very good to us; more so than any other nation.
For leftist jews to spit in the face of decent, honorable White Americans is reprehensible to me…and for them to work to abolish Christian culture and religion in this country disgusts me (half my own family is Christian). I cannot even begin to put into words how much contempt I have for such jews. I would like to see them vanish from the face of the earth. They disgrace God, they disgrace authentic Judaism, they disgrace decent Jews everywhere. They may not realize it, but they create antiSemitism.
I was raised by parents who, though Jewish (one by conversion), raised me in a very conservative, pro-White, anti-communist, pro-American fashion. Most of American traditional culture is my culture, too. I grew up singing Christmas carols in public school (yes, I am that old!) I identify as an American first, and everything else second. I cannot do otherwise because this is how I was raised.
The leftist jew is a parasite who bores from within his host (America). He will not rest until America becomes a cesspool. What he doesn’t realize (and what the negroes and other non-whites he supports don’t realize either) is that if they succeed in driving the White race into extinction (God forbid), what chumps will there be to keep feeding their way of life?
I have tried for years to figure out why leftist jews seem to hate the American way of lfie so much. I’ve come to two conclusions: One, either they see America as an extension of the Europe they came to hate due to mistreatment there; and/or they think that if America lets in every crazy minority, they (the jews) will be more able to blend in and won’t be noticed, and won’t be persecuted. Remember that in Europe for centuries, apart from the gypsies, they were the only minority and so, stood out like a sore thumb.
The real reason may be more insidious than what I figured out.
JWN,
We’re going to have to agree to disagree on the subject of nationality. I recognize that it’s complicated, especially with your hybrid heritage, but you’re either a White American or you’re an American Jew. That’s not to say one has to reject or deny one’s fractional heritage – but a man (or lady) can only truly serve one god and one nation (most folks fail to serve even one). I recommend following either your husband’s or your father’s lead in making that decision.
I think Jewish hatred and subversion of their hosts has a lot to do with the simple necessity of maintaining the ethnic identity. The rabbi can’t convince every Jew to fear God, so he convinces the rest to fear gentiles. In doing so, he retains a greater degree of influence and control while leaving open the opportunity of either them or their progeny embracing their birthright. For the typical secular Jew, the incredibly rich heritage and strong community is replaced with little more than a corrosive and pathetic victim mentally ill-fitting for the most successful people on Earth.
Well, my father is long departed, and he was not a religious Jew (his “religion”, as it were, could be better termed “Americanism”.) His family was long gone by the time I was born (I was a late life baby)…so most of my exposure was to my mother’s Italian Catholic family. They were not very religious either, though.
I take after my dad in the sense that my actual “religion” is Americanism. I believe the documents of the Founding Fathers were, in a sense, Divinely inspired. I believe there is One God, and that He guides us when we seek His will.
I have never felt closely bonded to what I call “official Jews”. My mother used to say they are ‘too Jewwy’ (a hard to define term, but I somehow always knew what she meant when she said it!) I do admire much in my Jewish heritage, however. Its mostly jews I have the problem with.
The real point is that all three supernatural superstitious religions that came out of the Mid East long ago, 5000 years ago, 2000 years ago and 1200 years are completely without basis and are mere supernatural myth beliefs that have no grounding in reality. The dear Hebrews, of which I am a member, got it completely wrong, there is NO GOD at all. Step One. The dear Christians, who mean well and often do good things and often do abd things, got it completely wrong too: Jesus was a fake messiah, part of a long list of false messiahs among ancient Jews who claimed they were messiahs, but Jesus’ followers took the bait and went beserk it and created churches to propagandize the world but Jesus was no messiah and he was no Son of any God how could he a son of a god if there is no God, and follks, despite what you may have heard or been brainwashed in early life, there IS NO god at all, so cross off JEsus, no pun intended, and our dear Muslim friends and neighbors fell for the Judea-Chrisian BS and took it one step further and psycho Mohammed, like psyho Jesus and psycho Moses said they were God inspired. No way. There is no way. They were self ego inspired. Nice. but no cigar. The entire world is now poisoned by antisemitism, antiChristianism and AntiMuslimisn, but in fact, all three Mid East religions are fake fake fake false supersitious belief systems. We need to wake up and change lanes. We been driving the wrong way for 5000 years. Antisemities are sick. The rest is history. AND, most importantly, the ancient Hebrews, my brothers, were completely in the dark about reality. and here we are in 2010 A.D. anno dummus! It aint 2010,,it’s more like 4 billion and ten!
All of this blithering crass and claptrap on this site won’t change a damn thing. The kikes, along with their collaborating scum like the creator of this bs “blog”, will get what they deserve in the end.
WHITE POWER!
@Allen Beannen
WTF? What the fuck? You admit that the false ideologies of the Jewbeasts have perverted mankind and left a path of falsehood across history, and yet you call the people who oppose them ‘sick’? Fuck off and die.
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