Women now outnumber men at U.S. colleges and universities. Such a phenomenon has never before occurred in the history of the entire world for a simple reason: it’s really fucking stupid.
A woman’s natural role in society is to bear and raise children. A higher education does nothing to help women fulfill this purpose. Sane societies that valued their long-term survival understood this idea. For centuries China thrived while banning women from the education necessary to enter the cognitive elite of the imperial civil service. The sensible sexism of the Greco-Romans led them to educate their women only to the extent that it would make them better wives and mothers. After all, Aristotle understood that by nature men should rule over women and that women benefited from this arrangement, just as domesticated animals generally enjoy better welfare than wild animals. Hence teaching women rhetoric, philosophy, or engineering would be pointless and counterproductive.
The Christian culture that followed continued this practice for the most part as cathedral and monastery schools only educated the brightest of the commoner males as well as the sons of noblemen. However an option was made available for the women who really did want an advanced education: don’t have any kids. Other forms of advanced education for women were inherently flawed. All throughout the Enlightenment and Victorian eras women were still excluded from higher education, as Europeans still understood the primary social function of women. Sure, a few statistical outliers received advanced educations, but we all know of course that statistical outliers are no basis for normative behavior.
Although somehow that is exactly what has happened.
Stay tuned for Part 2, in which Ed will dissect the developments that resulted in higher education being made available to large numbers of women.
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Aw c’mon Ferdinand, learning should be open to all who are interested. I’m not a fan of intellectual feminization, but if women want to learn on men’s terms, why not? [given that most (but not all) learning was created by men this is not entirely unreasonable]
Even if you take the view that women’s sole function is that of wives & mothers, look at all the men of genius who have had bright mothers.
I agree that learning may not necessarily make women happier, and there’s no harm in making that point, but that’s a choice that each individual woman should be entitled to make herself.
There is a difference between promotion of learning for women as a sine qua non on the one hand, and complete exclusion of them on the other. Maybe strike a middle ground, where those women who want to learn can do so in the knowledge of the consequences.
PS you forgot to mention about girls not being allowed to study the Torah.
Anonymous was of course moi.
Sorry, new computer, no automatic wordpress username facility.
And it would not be good from a genetic point of view if bright determined women had no children. Even if you take the male determinist view you have to accept that a considerable portion of a son’s genes come from his mother.
Yeah, no way anyone is going to mistake this sentence for an argument that women are chattel…
“Even if you take the view that women’s sole function is that of wives & mothers, look at all the men of genius who have had bright mothers.”
That’s true, but…
The best evidence indicates this was because of genetics, and not because the education of the mother rubbed off on the son.
I think it’s very important to encourage bright Women to have children.
However, there’s really no need to educate these bright Women before they start having children.
Higher Education for Women is HIGHLY dysgenic (opposite of eugenic), because it causes the higher IQ Women to have less children than the lower IQ Women.
This partly explains why the average White child has a mother with an IQ lower than the White Average (see The Bell Curve for confirmation).
Who says that bright women in general wouldn’t be having kids?
“A woman’s natural role in society is to bear and raise children.” According to James D. Watson, “We have to accept the truth that comes out of biology. It may not be pleasant.” Does biology reduce to chemistry reduce to physics reduce to information processing? According to Fredkin, free will does not exist, but “pseudo free will” does exist. Is suicide precisely as natural as self-preservation at the fundamental level of Fredkin’s information process of finite, digital nature?
Fredkin claims:
(1) All information must have a digital means of its representation.
(2) An informational process transforms the digital representation of the state of the system into its future state.
If Fredkin’s concept of “pseudo free will” is correct, we can think those thoughts and perform those actions that Fredkin’s information process yields with hidden determinism. Our choices and beliefs about normative behavior are free with respect to hidden determinism, but we need optimized science and technology to analyze our future biological possibilities with respect to hidden determinism.
“Yeah, no way anyone is going to mistake this sentence for an argument that women are chattel…”
Aristotle was using a metaphor! He never said that a Man could sell his wife or anything crazy like that.
The best evidence indicates this was because of genetics, and not because the education of the mother rubbed off on the son.
I disagree with this. Genius & ability are a combination of nature and nurture and luck. If one accepts the view that a mother influences the development of the child (and taking the view that children lose out by an absent or distracted mother necessarily affects this) then education on the part of the mother can only benefit the child.
I see this myself with kids whose mothers were teachers, they tend to do better in school & college relative to their abilities than other kids (partly, but not wholly, because they know the system)
[Funnily enough it doesn't translate quite as well if it is the fathers, as opposed to the mothers, who are in the teaching profession]
Of course I do appreciate that education can come with other baggage, which may counter act.
“necessarily affects” should read “necessarily implies”, sorry – I appreciate of course that not all of you may take this view, but it is right imo.
Also, quite apart from the social benefits, I just think it’s cruel to deprive anyone who really wants to learn of the opportunity to do so; bending over backwards to allow them to do so is of course quite another matter.
And people wonder why Conservatism is on a loosing streak. Facepalm.
Apologies Ed
I jumped right into the post & didn’t read the credit to you at the beginning, I didn’t realise it was by you and not by Ferdinand. A very well written post, also very provocative, it makes one think.
Although I would dread living in a world where women are not allowed to learn, you do make some good points along the way.
i know 2 women who are PhD’s that in conversation strike me as intelligent. the rest are pretty much chicks who make more money than they would otherwise, think that guys should care that they more more money than they would otherwise, and “think” they know more as a result of a degree.
I like this post. We should add that the role of males in nature is to carry sperm and impregnate females. Now that we have sperm banks, we should complete nature’s will and eliminate all those violent lumps of flesh which normally carry the sperm.
BTW, women make up more than 50% of university students in a number of Middle eastern countries such as Saudi Arabia and Iran. In the US and most western countries, women are more qualified to attend universities as well. They have better grades in HS and lower drop out rates.
It would seem that women are more naturally prone to being fit for higher education. They like to sit still in class and do their HW.
Any woman who really wants to have a higher education should have it.
But this is very different from trying to brainwash women into pursuing higher education, which is what our society does now. This produces lower birthrates and the death of our culture.
Most women are not especially interested in higher education or a career. They do so because they have been told to do it since their childhood. In fact, most women want to have a family.
The only way for feminism to sell the career path to women is to tell them “you can have it all”. If feminism had told women “you can have a career but this disminishes your chances of getting a family” (which is true), feminism would have never succeed. Most women value more family than career.
Women often choose an easy major in the social sciences, whose value in the market is low. They end up with a title of dubious value but with the entitlement that they have a degree so they must marry a guy with degree. So they reduce the set of potential suitors. Moreover, they have wasted their best fertile years in an academic environment.
If women want to establish a career, they have to waste even more years. When they are established in their mid-thirties, they start looking for husbands (of course, high status husbands because female hypergamy does not allow another kind for a woman with degree). These potential husband are dating twenty-somethings. So there comes the whining “Where have all the good men gone?”, the spinsterhood and the cats.
It’s a really stupid for a culture to harass their women to go to a University. I am from Europe and our people is disappearing because our women go to University and have low birthrates while Muslim women are reproducing like rabbits, because they live in a patriarchal society. In less than a century, European culture and people would be gone.
Wiser cultures do this: They assume that women want a family (which is true) and prepare their girls for that. And there is an option for women who don’t fit this lifestyle: they can become scholars, nuns or whatever they want. This is a minority option. But trying to make most women acquire higher education leads to cultural suicide.
Men are put at a natural disadvantage because of grade inflation. It’s not so much that men and women are different– you could say on average men and women are equal, but it’s the *variance* which is different: among men, there’s higher standard deviation in everything. Thus there are more male geniuses and more male retards. With grade inflation, the gender with the higher variance is punished, because the geniuses barely pull anyone up since it’s so easy to get an “A” anyway, and the retards pull everyone down. So with more geniuses and retards in your gender, your gender is going to artificially have “average GPA” plummet.
Parents lie to little girls and tell them this is what society values, and government helps by creating special programs for girls in science, but when they finally go through the whole process, these girls find out that men are not at all impressed with their achievements and now their most fertile years have been wasted.
Most decent paying jobs that don’t require a higher education appeal mainly to men: police, fire, skilled trades, military, natural resources, truck driving, construction, heavy equipment operator.
Also ridding higher education of bullshit social sciences would help.
finalscollons, see this:
And it’s true.
I view a large part of the problem as overeducation, institutionalisation of education and education becoming an industry. Education should be as self-directed as humanly possible: the problem the socialists have with this is that this is necessarily the province of those who were born into families who could afford it. The problem is somewhat being solved with a trending towards vocational qualifications, as well as some cuts forced thanks to the recession.
Feminism seemed enabled primarily to make women enter the workforce. That women don’t enter the workforce as much is true; they leave to have families. This is however a temporary leave. Modern technology and, ironically, the education of children means that she has nothing to do at home after a certain time.
Perhaps the modern regime is too pro-education and the Greco-Roman regime too anti-education (perhaps the first is a reaction to the unreasonableness of the latter). Men and women are less enemies if they share the same discourse.
I don’t think one should return to the extreme about this. It is enough to simply encourage woman to devote themselves to what they are naturally inclined to do, family, without barring her from pursuing knowledge if she’s passionate enough for it.
Under the Arab model, many women are actually seeking their husbands at university. Its convenient for the men as well as there is a legitimate way of socialising with them, makes sure both of you are roughly equally intelligent and so on. It’s not a complete waste of money.
Of course, there’s the careerist and anti-sex indoctrination that happens at some unis that should be addressed as well.
Women, ever status conscious, want that piece of paper, that diploma, to increase their status.
Men, ever earning a living conscious, want something that helps them earn a living.
Is there anything more damning to modern education than the fact that more women go than men?
I prefer my women smart rather than stupid. Brains in a woman is sexy. The problem isn’t education, the problem is what they have been taught.
“Now that we have sperm banks, we should complete nature’s will and eliminate all those violent lumps of flesh which normally carry the sperm.”
What would you do when you run out of sperm?
See, this is why women are unfit for higher education. Never mind supply and demand, they have difficulty grasping ‘supply’.
@Siblings of Daedalus,
Brightness does not require even further education. If a woman has a child she will pass on her genes, not her formal education.
Sdaedalus,
In general women should receive an education to the extent that it helps them fulfill their potential as wife/spouse. However those not inclined or unable to fulfill their natural social function and with the aptitude for it should have the option of a more extensive higher education. The thrust of these articles is to argue that women, as a whole, are consuming such an excessive amount of higher education that it is detrimental to the society that is providing it to them.
I guess I could have made the title more subtle, but this is the Internet. Subtlety be damned.
FX:”It would seem that women are more naturally prone to being fit for higher education. They like to sit still in class and do their HW.”
Women are more conformist, obedient, and less likely to question the status-quo — so yes of course they do better than most males in highly structured Sovietish environments like most public schools in the USA and elsewhere.
Education should be segregated by gender until college. Then we’ll again see how much better men do, and maybe women too.
Reginald:”Higher Education for Women is HIGHLY dysgenic (opposite of eugenic), because it causes the higher IQ Women to have less children than the lower IQ Women.”
Yes, exactly right. Especially the smartest women who go for a lot of higher ed, or JDs, PhDs, med school, even some MAs…those women have very few children, often none at all. Too much education for women is definitely dysgenic. Too many women in college are squandering their prime breeding years (their 20s) to pursue often pointless studies. Iit’s dragging down the IQ of the White race to have so many smart White women in college and not at home with kids.
Bhetti, I was not talking about Saudi Arabia. I am talking about immigrant Muslim communities in Europe. I don’t know anything about Saudi Arabia but I know very well about Muslims in Europe. I have lived and worked with them.
Excellent, ES! Hear, hear! Looking forward to Part II.
I do not see a problem with women attending college.
Think about it.
If a chick has a degree then she will most likely have a career or at least have career potential.
Now, when a girl has achieved this “credential”, a guy can just bang her and date her (it happens in that order at times or vice versa) and suffer no real big economic consequence (unless he gets pregnant).
As opposed to the old way of things where a girl would have to get her parents to approve of you and then you will most likely just get ensnared in monogamy (and really what kind of guy with options would want to let that happen?).
Oh, and another thing, just because many women are starting to attend college doesn’t necessarily mean they are any more smarter or better than men. A HUGE majority of them pick soft majors that do not even require much academia to accomplish (i.e. teaching, English, History, H.R you get the picture).
Men typically go for hardcore math/science oriented majors.
Femx said, “Now that we have sperm banks, we should complete nature’s will and eliminate all those violent lumps of flesh which normally carry the sperm.â€
Your forgetting that both genders physiologically need each other. Unless their gay and that percentage isn’t too high to make the norm anyway.
“In the US and most western countries, women are more qualified to attend universities as well. They have better grades in HS and lower drop out rates…It would seem that women are more naturally prone to being fit for higher education.â€
You miss the big picture, and that is that the majority of men attain an I.Q at the very top and at the very bottom of the I.Q scale. Meaning more men have higher I.Q’s and more men have lower I.Q’s than females.
On the other hand a females (in the majority) I.Q is always around the middle meaning not to high, but not too low. Women are (for the most part) mediocre and practical.
I’m sure there are plenty of deviations to this rule, but like everyone in the roissysphere knows. The exceptions don’t make the rules.
In general, I would have to say that about all the women in the workforce, only about 15% really produce anything of value. The rest work in jobs that are of no importance to the functioning of society.
Just 15%.
By the way, here is a chart of mortgage debt as a percentage of GDP.
Most of these are herb men being forced by their wives to buy a house bigger than they need, just to ‘keep up with the Joneses’. Just to correct back to the level of the 1990s, Mortgage debt has to shrink from 70% to 45% of GDP, which would mean a loss of $3 Trillion.
We keep seeing article about how ‘divorces are delayed due to the economy’. This means that the woman does not want to divorce when the net worth is negative (since she would get half of the debt, rather than the customary half of a positive net worth).
The good news is that homeowners will be locking into a negative net worth for the next decade or more (which I have been warning about since 2006), making many women stay in marriages they would otherwise have ended. By the time they are back to a positive net worth, a lot of women who live in houses today will be well past their Wile E. Coyote moment.
So this is an example of the costs of misandry transferring back to women (and rightly so).
I don’t think educating women is a problem at all. Some societies educate women without detriment.
The problem is that laws are being bent to increasingly ridiculous degrees to mask areas where women never, ever will be able to compete at the same level as men.
This is where the West blunders relative to Asian countries that educate women without detriment.
Women have very little understanding of :
a) Cause and Effect
b) Supply and Demand
Period.
Ed
Thanks, that clarifies matters.
But I’m not really sure why spending a few years at college before the age of 25 would necessarily preclude a woman from performing what you define as her natural social function.
Surely she’s as well off learning as reading celebrity magazines?
I agree that learning can have side-effects but this is not necessarily always the case.
Jacko
I do appreciate your point on the genetic thing but you might have a look at my comment on the combined importance of nature and nurture above and let me know what you think. Having an educated mother is an advantage for a child in terms of their development (assuming of course said mother actually spends time with them which is not always the case)
By the way, just to clarify, I deplore the whole culture of degrees for the sake of degrees and the dumbing down of higher education but I’m not sure all this is due to women, it is also due to sheer academic laziness and the introduction of the corporate culture into academia, high student pass rate, high marks and high postgraduate nos. resulting in more funds for departments & so forth.
Daedalus,
Yes, of course, in a perfect world, a woman would be educated and also have two or three kids. However, what is happening now, throughout the West, is a pattern of women becoming educated and having no kids at all. 25% of all German women will never marry or give birth. Japanese men and women are not even trying to get together anymore. Balance is required. How we get that I have no idea.
“What would you do when you run out of sperm?
See, this is why women are unfit for higher education. Never mind supply and demand, they have difficulty grasping ’supply’.”
No problem. Both sperm and ova can be made from stem cells in the lab. You still need women for gestation, at least until exowombs show up (both Japanese and Chinese are working on these).
How we get that I have no idea
I’m really tempted to say it may be your duty to society to impregnate some of these over-educated soon to be biologically redundant American women and save their gene pool from destruction. You could console yourself with the thought that you would be performing the US male equivalent of “lie back and think of England”
Or indeed German or Japanese women.
No need to worry about SDaedalus though, the Irish gene pool is reproducing at an alarming rate.
I think this kind of misses the forest for the trees. If you replaced every woman in college with a man today, and for perpetuity you likely would produce just as many people worthless to society, because college education is largely superfluous to the jobs college graduates actually do in the real world.
The issue is only partially too many women in college in comparison to men. The larger portion of it is too many people in college at all. College isn’t even about education and the first people that will tell you that are your professors. Who would know better than those that spent half their life in post-graduate studies right?
Colleges weren’t even really designed to train people to be members of the workforce and to be productive members of society. They didn’t do it at inception, they weren’t intended to, they don’t do it now, and they likely never will. This isn’t something that really needs to be taught and if it did it certainly wouldn’t cost $100k out of pocket per person.
There is certainly a purpose, and a societal good that can come of higher education, however our developing institution of High School the Sequel is only hurting us.
[Irony alert: One of the ads at the bottom of the blog is "Pell Grants for Moms".]
Well, I do think the situation warrants some attention. However, it is indeed not the end of the world. Demographics go up and down. Most women will tell you that they do want children; what this article highlights is the phenomenon of educated women being unable to have them. Energy is neither created nor destroyed, but merely transferred. I forget who said that, probably Einstein. But no matter, the point is, it is a trade-off -an either/or trade-off. Either you become educated and childless, or you have children and become a mother. The twain shall never meet. It is a touchy subject, and I can tell it chafes women the wrong way, as it should. Life isn’t fair.
@Lindsay Abelard,
The sperm and ova from stem cells have proven to be insufficiently robust. Sheep clones have been demonstrably weak, so much so that it was deemed pointless to continue. Perhaps in the future, but the science is not up to speed yet.
The Irish are breeding in alarming numbers? In today’s numbers ‘alarming’ could very well mean a woman who has two children.
Kyle, yes. People do indeed make more money from skilled trades than those with college degrees. The real money comes to those with post-graduate degrees, and even then they are only on a par with those who have a skilled trade. A woman who has a BA in Psychology will most likely work as an office assistant.
I’m investing in Cat farming.
So, correct me if I’m wrong but … are ya’ll saying that you’d prefer your women to be dumb?
People can be educated but not particularly smart, or they can be educated and smart, or they can be uneducated yet smart, or they can be uneducated and dumb. It is foolish indeed to assume that uneducated = dumb or educated = smart; not so. Intelligence is inherent – either you got it or you don’t; education is another matter altogether.
Kat Wilder,
Huge flaw in your entire set of assumptions.
A young woman who knows that her grandmother is wise in the ways of the world, and knows the score when she strongly advises her granddaughter to a) Not have any sex partners before marriage, and b) not be single past the age of 28 or so, is smart for listening to her grandmother rather than to ‘feminists’.
Conversely, many women with fancy degrees are really dumb about life, since what they have received is not education, but indoctrination masquerading as education.
It is safe to say that a woman who is not married at the age of 35, or got pregnant out of wedlock, is pretty dumb, no matter what degrees she may have.
I’m really tempted to say it may be your duty to society to impregnate some of these over-educated soon to be biologically redundant American women and save their gene pool from destruction.
I have done this heavily, albeit through clinical rather than sexual means.
I might have miscegenated a disproportionate slice of the white race, but I damn well raised both the height and IQ of society.
I hope I have not been used for the purpose of soft-cuckolding other men, though (although that probably has happened).
The Irish are breeding in alarming numbers? In today’s numbers ‘alarming’ could very well mean a woman who has two children
No apparently there has been an increase in births here since the economic downturn, the Irish have always had a tendency to breed like rabbits when financially on their uppers.
@Fifth Horseman
I have done this heavily, albeit through clinical rather than sexual means.
I might have miscegenated a disproportionate slice of the white race, but I damn well raised both the height and IQ of society
A man who practices what he preaches is quite rare. However, do you worry about the damage to society caused by your offspring being born to single mothers? Or do you have a single mother prohibition on your emissions? Didnt’ think the latter was possible, but perhaps as a prolific donor you have a special arrangement with the clinic?
Will S
People can be educated but not particularly smart, or they can be educated and smart, or they can be uneducated yet smart, or they can be uneducated and dumb. It is foolish indeed to assume that uneducated = dumb or educated = smart; not so
This is very true.
SDaedalus,
There was no such provision of ‘no single mothers’ in the contract. I doubt that could be mandated even if I asked. In reviewing the contract, my sole concern was the ‘no child support’ clauses being airtight.
I did the first bank (Palo Alto) several years ago, and at the time assumed that most people were hetero couples and/or lesbian couples (passive cuckolding had not occurred to me). The second bank (Berkeley) was more recent. In any event, I didn’t think that single mothers would be the majority at the time (I might have assumed wrongly).
However, do you worry about the damage to society caused by your offspring being born to single mothers?
They were going to do it anyway, so better me than tattoo’ed thugs. If they inherit my mental capacity and non-thuggishness, it may be a net positive to society vs. the alternative thug-spawn. ~20 kids total, give or take a couple.
I did notice that at both banks, every single employee, including the lab scientists who produced the detailed reports on motility, pH, WBCs, etc. were all women. Not one man anywhere.
In reviewing the contract, my sole concern was the ‘no child support’ clauses being airtight
That is very funny but I suppose with the extent of your donations you would indeed want to be sure of that, 20 children (give or take a couple) would be a lot to support.
I did notice that at both banks, every single employee, including the lab scientists who produced the detailed reports on motility, pH, WBCs were all women. Not one man anywhere
That is very scary. A world without men. My god. SDaedalus would be very upset.
“It would seem that women are more naturally prone to being fit for higher education. They like to sit still in class and do their HW.”
Yep. Simple minds deal with the monotony and mediocrity of our assembly line like educational system much better than bright, inquisitive ones.
@SDaedalus,
I didn’t realize you are Irish. Are you in Dublin? My Grandfather is from Kerry. I can’t remember now from your website…are you a student…english major?
I read ‘Dubliners’ recently and it was fantastic. I particularly liked ‘Eveline’, ‘The Dead’, and ‘The Boarding House’. But all of them were terrific.
I didn’t realize you are Irish
Yes I am.
Are you in Dublin?
Yes.
My Grandfather is from Kerry
Kerry people are quite something, very strong personalities, very idiosyncratic, they do their own thing. I think Welmer also has a Kerry grandfather by the way.
I can’t remember now from your website…are you a student…english major?
No, unless you use the term student to include a student of life.
I never formally studied English literature in the strict sense of the word. My third level studies were in another area not normally described as literature.
I read ‘Dubliners’ recently and it was fantastic. I particularly liked ‘Eveline’, ‘The Dead’, and ‘The Boarding House’. But all of them were terrific
Dubliners is such a brilliant book.
All of the stories are fantastic, but the Dead really captures the inherent sadness & nostalgia at the heart of the Irish psyche, we have to make ourselves unhappy at any cost, rather than living in the moment we look back to the past. You see the same thing in the last sentence of the Great Gatsby, Fitzgerald was so typically Irish in personality, although quieter than a lot of Irishmen he still fell into a defined Irish type.
The house which is the scene of the party in the Dead, is still standing, and was recently restored. I pass it regularly.
I thought that this was hilarious:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/most-men-are-too-intimidated-to-date-a-successful,17257/
Substitute a raft of other traits for ‘Gorgon’ and you have a cogent exploration of the female mindset under discussion.
I don’t think my assumptions are wrong (rarely any of us do, or we wouldn’t say them!) I agree — college doesn’t necessarily educate women — or men, for that matter. It just looks nice on the resume
If you don’t believe in the value of educating women, however, Greg Mortenson would like to prove just how wrong you are:
“You can hand out condoms, drop bombs, build roads, or put in electricity, but until the girls are educated a society won’t change.”
“Once you educate the boys, they tend to leave the villages and go search for work in the cities, but the girls stay home, become leaders in the community, and pass on what they’ve learned. If you really want to change a culture, to empower women, improve basic hygiene and health care, and fight high rates of infant mortality, the answer is to educate girls.”
“If you teach a boy, you educate an individual; but if you teach a girl, you educate a community.”
College saddles women with loads of debt that is often not paid off until their mid-forties.
So women either *have* to work in order to pay off their student loans or they come to marriage while full of debt and their husbands have to pay off the student loans.
College is a sham now that so many people get degrees. Rare is the person that lands the job they dreamed of while burying themselves in student loan debts. College grads are a dime-a-dozen and it’s nothing special any more.
It would do the world a load of good if college returned to being for those of high intellectual skill while the rest attended trade-schools or learned “on the job”. This idea that we have to “be fair” has only cheapened the impact of a college degree while plunging most of our population into decades of debt.
Kat,
The post clearly limits itself to higher education for women. I firmly believe that value can be created by educating women. However the benefits you cite can be readily achieved with primary and some secondary schooling. The spread of literacy, improved health and hygiene and lower infant death rates all certainly help women fulfill thier primary social function as nurturing mothers.
Of course overindulgence in any earthly good even education is detrimental both to the overindulgers and to society at large.
Providing higher education to girls has certainly changed our culture but not for the better (parts III and IV).
you educate an individual; but if you teach a girl, you educate a community.â€
This was true when birth-rates were high, and children lived in two-parent households.
I maintain that only about 15% of women in the workforce actually do work of real value. About 70% of men produce real value in the workforce.
“I did notice that at both banks, every single employee, including the lab scientists who produced the detailed reports on motility, pH, WBCs were all women. Not one man anywhere.”
Seems like a sensible precaution (use your imagination as to why).
How did these Women controlled banks handle Racial and Sub-Racial issues? Did they provide their clients with accurate information relating to at least one of these critical metrics?
Also, were they just interested in Education, or was an interest in the much more meaningful metric of IQ also shown?
“They were going to do it anyway, so better me than tattoo’ed thugs.”
Curse you, Tatto’ed thugs, and your practice of making donations to sperm banks!
But I know what you mean. The Sperm Bank itself is taking the place of Tatto-ed thugs.
@Ed Soto — Providing higher education to girls has certainly changed our culture but not for the better First of all, they’d be women by college age, not girls. Secondly, the problems with our culture — and there are many — stem from the people in power. (And, of course, the apathetic ignorance of the populace). And last I looked, there were very, very few women in power — president, vice president, CEOs, etc.
Yep, better to keep ‘em dumb, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen …
@Fifth Horsemen — This was true when birth-rates were high Are high birth rates good? Does the world, at 6 billion-plus, need more people? Do all women (or men, for that matter) want kids? What if they can’t have them — are they failures? Is cranking out kids all we’re good for?
As for the idea that only about 15% of women in the workforce actually do work of real value. About 70% of men produce real value in the workforce. … and how, exactly do you know this? Studies? First-hand experience? Hearsay? Just your opinion?
What century are we living in? Coulda sworn it was the 21st …
And BTW, are you single by any chance? I’m pretty much putting my money on yes …
Kat Wilder,
Does the world, at 6 billion-plus, need more people?
Dodge. Western culture will simply be replaced by Islam, even if the total human population remains the same. I don’t think you realize what controls women are under, under Islam.
Do all women (or men, for that matter) want kids?
Mostly, yes. Women even more so than men. Do you get out much?
As for the idea that only about 15% of women in the workforce actually do work of real value. … and how, exactly do you know this?
I see it every day. At 15%, a lot of guys would accuse me of being too pro-woman. But I believe 15% of women actually work in paid jobs that are useful to society.
And BTW, are you single by any chance? I’m pretty much putting my money on yes …
Ah… shaming language. The refuge of a woman who can’t debate actual points. You have a long way to go before you learn how women think (being a woman does not mean you know how women think. Quite the opposite, in fact).
I’ve had multiple women way out of your league, kid, and have two girlfriends right now. You might want to check out what ‘Game’ is.
You need to educate yourself by reading ‘The Misandry Bubble’.
Also, read this article by a woman :
http://www.the-spearhead.com/2009/10/11/feminism-and-the-economy/
Kat Wilder,
Yep, better to keep ‘em dumb, barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen …
As opposed to keeping them dumb, wearing $300 shoes, and trying to be ‘cougars’ in the nightclub? That is what women of your ilk are today. They are not educated in a true sense. They have merely received indoctrination.
How did these Women controlled banks handle Racial and Sub-Racial issues? Did they provide their clients with accurate information relating to at least one of these critical metrics?
Excellent question. Here is what happened :
They do ask for race, but among the racial checkboxes, there were two choices : ‘White/Caucasian’ and ‘Asian’. This is common in the US in all demographic forms.
Now, if a man is Arab, Persian, or Indian, what is he to put? Offically, all of these groups are ‘Caucasian’, as the official definition of the term includes groups beyond ‘white’. But these groups are also ‘Asian’ in a technical sense.
However, the popular understanding of the words ‘Caucasian’ and ‘Asian’ are too limited to ‘white’ and ‘East Asian’.
Hence, I checked off ‘White/Caucasian’, which is technically correct, but a woman getting the sperm will assume, in ignorance, that it is from a white guy, even though Persian, Arab, and Indian guys would all be in the same group, with no sub-groups within them.
This also means that if a woman went there specifically seeking ‘Indian’ or ‘Persian’ sperm, she would be incorrectly told that there is none. There is, but it is all under ‘White/Caucasian.’
Also, were they just interested in Education, or was an interest in the much more meaningful metric of IQ also shown?
Degrees, GPAs, standardized test scores, and income are all asked. The application process is very, very detailed.
Thanks for answering Horseman,
These Sperm Banks are really exploiting Women by lying to them.
It would be one thing is they used the ACTUAL scientific nonclemanture, and divided donors between Caucasians, Mongoloids, and Negroids.
But instead they trick Women into thinking the term Caucasian is being used in the usual idiomatic way, as another word for European Caucasian, by using it in the context of the COMPLTELEY non-scientific and idiomatic term “Asian”.
Anyway, I hope you’re an Iranian, as they’re genetically closer to Whites than most Non-European Caucasians are.
No Women should be saddled with a child that’s too genetically distant from her, except in punishment for choosing to have interracial sex.
“This also means that if a woman went there specifically seeking ‘Indian’ or ‘Persian’ sperm, she would be incorrectly told that there is none. There is, but it is all under ‘White/Caucasian.’ ”
That is just such a complete load of garbage.
Not only are these Banks hurting White Women who want to have White Children, they’re also hurting Middle Eastern Caucasian Women who want to have Middle Eastern Caucasian children.
It’s sickening.
“Dodge. Western culture will simply be replaced by Islam, even if the total human population remains the same.”
Liberals never think it through that far. They don’t realize that their hedonistic little liberal lives are slated for the chopping block, unless they start having more children.
“I don’t think you realize what controls women are under, under Islam.”
I doubt that any Feminist does.
Sometimes they’ll whine about the Taliban, but they never come to the realization that it isn’t just the so called extreme Muslims who place their Women under strong controls.
Reginald,
Let’s just say that they use(d) the same demographic checkboxes that you would see in a college admissions app, as derived from 20th century census forms, decided by some bureaucrat somewhere. It is not deception, but adherence to textbook anthropology, without regard to idiomatic usage of the same terms. This does not affect any group other than Arabs/Persians/Indians on a census level, which is why it was never corrected, and blindly copied in cryobank applications.
So the only races you can choose are :
Black/African Descent
American Indian/Alaskan Native
Asian
White/Caucasian
Latino/Hispanic
So what is an Arab/Persian/Indian/Central Asian to do? Both ‘White/Caucasian’ and ‘Asian’ are technically correct, but not idiomatically understood to include Arab/Persian/Indian/Central Asians.
Thus, he might as well be anthropologically textbook about it.
It would be one thing is they used the ACTUAL scientific nonclemanture, and divided donors between Caucasians, Mongoloids, and Negroids.
But, again, three groups are not enough unless it is widely declared that Caucasian also includes certain non-whites. Those three buckets do not account for AmerIndian Hispanics, Persians, Arabs, South Asians, etc. under popular understanding.
@Fifth Horseman — ah! The fact that you are into game (PUA) explains it all. Thanks. You have no idea of my “league,” and I’m no “kid.” Or a cougar. I have little respect for men who have to rely on “game” to attract a woman, instead of using humor, intelligence, kindness and integrity (just as I have little respect for women who abide by “The Rules). But, to each his own. I’m sure the two babes you have right now are absolutely in your league — and below mine.
Actually, NOT all women want kids. Ever hear of Elizabeth Gilbert? Her multi-best-selling book (soon to be a movie with Julia Roberts, yes a chick flick!) was all about NOT wanting kids. Get out much?
And, I’m sorry but saying that only 15 percent of women do “real” work based on what you see around you everyday is pretty shoddy “science.”
Despite the many women who are now lawyers, doctors, judges, scientists, politicians, CEOs, mathematicians, architects, engineers, etc., women still make up the majority of the “caregiver” jobs — teachers, nurses, geriatric support. And, if course, many are also moms.
Are you saying that the women who are doing those care-giver jobs (including your own mom, grandmother, great-grandmother …) aren’t doing “real” or important work? If you don’t value the work mothers do, why the hell do you want more women to stay home and have babies?
But maybe you’re right — maybe they’re not doing a good job. Because your teachers and mom obviously failed you with your narrow-minded thinking and broad statements of “fact” based on limited experience. Or, did you get that from your dad?
Does anyone other than me suspect that Fifth Horseman’s claims all over PUA/HBD blogs to having sired 20 children via anonymous sperm donation is a fantasy? I suppose it could be true, but he’s got a track record of making grandiose claims that don’t sound credible. For example, he goes on saying things like “I have very high-level Game.” or “”I’ve banged lots of 9s and 10s.” (citing him from memory). Maybe I’m off here, but these claims just don’t sound congruent against the personality he projects.
But fantasy or not, his glee at the notion of “soft-miscegenating” whites, or whatever he calls it, speaks to profound race-insecurities, of even hostility.
What impresses me as goofy at best and sleazy at worst is the fact that Fifth Horseman is an MRA type while bragging of having robbed other men of their reproductive right to having a child that looks as close to him as his tragically infertile condition allows. Some men’s rights advocate.
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