A few days ago, the invaluable Scott Locklin published an amusing and truthful paean to foreign chicks at Alternative Right that sent the white nationalist commentariat into fits of mouth-foaming rage. There are many reasons why I’m not a white nationalist (despite having sympathy for some of their ideas), and the near-mandatory manginaness that comes with being one is in my top five. Just get a sampling of the sheer Renfieldness of the comments for a idea:
Alt-Right does itself no credit by publishing hipster shit like this.
The answer to our problem is not importing third-world females with no standards. It’s finding the good amongst our own population, and sticking this through together, which is not too hard given a modicum of effort. Try going to church or volunteering with animals… it’s really not very hard to find good, chaste white women.
The number of “good” among the American white female population (for the purpose of cranking out loin-droppings, which I presume is what the WNs are concerned with) is barely large enough to fill a church. No joke.
Mr. Locklin, I do hope that your desire for foreign women won’t overshadow the white man’s duty to reproduce with his own racial group. Please, if you like foreign women, go for a nice German women or something. I can’t stand seeing anymore inner-racial couples walking on the same sidewalk as me. That is all.
Duty without benefits is slavery. Why the fuck should I have white kids with a white American chick when it’s statistically likely that she’ll divorce my ass and ream it with chilamony until I’m filling up my one-room apartment with lawn furniture?
To broadly insult our mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters in this manner is tasteless. Both American women and men have some changing to do, changing we can do ourselves. But you’re doing what feels good for you and that’s what counts for you. Paradoxically, you’re the typical modern American man: empowered, sassy, sarcastic, and dedicated to gratifying yourself. You’re not loyal to the nation or interested in seeing it through to a restoration. You’re doing your own thang and won’t take no bojive from people who are offended when you insult them.
You go, guy!
I’ll attack white America because it sucks. The average white American doesn’t do jack for me – hell, half of ‘em are cooking up new ways to swindle me with a smile on their faces. What precisely has white America done to earn my loyalty?
I’ve seen many foreign women from all kinds of different countries. And I have to say that white American women, along with white women from the Anglosphere (Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South Africa) and Northern Europe, are by far the most beautiful women on the planet.
I think it was Advocatus Diaboli who remarked that the same people who talk about how white women are the most beautiful women in the world are the same ones who bitch about how bitchy they are. A trip to the rural environs of any state will rapidly dissuade you of this asinine myth of white American beauty. Plenty of girls of pure Aryan stock in the heartland; it’s a shame so many of ‘em are either heffalumps or glass-addled freaks with bad teeth. I would rather jerk off to a video of Jennifer Hudson backin’ that thang up then nail one of the half-human, half-doughy things that amble through the aisles of a Kentucky Walmart. (That’s not intended as a slight against Miss Hudson – she is one fine sista I’d love to shag.)
I don’t see how insulting White American women is good for the Pro White cause. Lets stick together and attack our enemies instead of each other.
Fringe ideological movements that deny reality never escape from the fringe. If WNs aren’t going to confront the truth – that most white American women are unsuitable for the continuation of the Master Race – they’re doomed, done, dead in the water.
Go through all the pages of comments in this thread to read all of Courtney’s posts — she sounds like an angel — then read the above unspeakably boorish reply Scott Locklin makes to her.
‘Nuff said about the kind of man Scott Locklin is? I’d say so.
Don’t listen to him, Courtney. You sound gorgeous. I’m married to a girl like you — God sent her to me. I surely didn’t deserve her. It was Amazing Grace.
Bless you, sweetheart.
Do comments on blog articles qualify for Alkibiades’ and Talleyrand’s Renfield of the Week Award? ‘Cause this guy is a contender for Renfield of the Year.
But if WN men are sackless tools in thrall to the pussy, WN women are depressingly identical to ordinary women in their inability to comprehend logic or respect the accuracy of stereotypes. A sampling:
I have to disagree. I think this is an overgeneralization of American women.
In the South, where I am from, inparticular, women are still taught to be feminine. I currently have a job in D.C., and I plan on returning to the Deep South as soon as I can. In the office I work at, I conduct myself like a Southern Belle. When the male boss opens the door for me I smile and say “thank you”. If the coffee pot is running low, I am happy to do kitchen duty and refill the coffee pot for my male superiors in the office who have more important things to do.
I stand out starkly among the females I work with who tend to be from the North, the Mid-Atlantic States, and out West. If they aren’t obnoxious and slutty, they are bitter and mannish. I can tell that the men in the office appreciate my femininity in it’s entirety. It irritates me that so many women in this country give women like me a bad reputation. I want my men to be manly, and I want to be the one who wears the skirt :). Now I am waiting for my knight in shining armor by being beautiful, feminine and sweet in the mean time.
I’d agree that Southern women are more feminine than women from other parts of the country, but here’s the thing – the South comprises maybe a quarter of the U.S.’s population. Even if every Southern chick was a demure sweet thing (and they aren’t, trust me – the Yankee takeover of Virginia and Florida is making sure of that), that still wouldn’t make up for the majority of women in all other parts of the country being utterly cuckoo.
Absolutely right, Courtney. I, like you, am also a feminine woman who likes my man to be a man (and he is!). I like doors opened for me and I like cooking for my husband. I even knit and sew my own clothes! (I also have a PhD, but that didn’t make me any less feminine.)
Talk like Scott’s is not very smart because, apart from the fact that I think his estimates are simply wrong (you haven’t lived in the Midwest or the Deep South, yet, Scott — come on! — travel broadens the mind!), such talk will just alienate American women who are going to be needed if we are going to rebuild American society in any way, shape or form.
Frankly, Scott, if you like Slavic women so much, go move to a Slavic country and settle down with a nice girl from there. We Americans want to rebuild our country with AMERICANS — not more foreigners, which is the last thing we need.
Courtney — I had to wait until I was 28 to find my husband. It was worth it! :-)
Anyone who claims that Midwestern women are more feminine is either straight-up lying or has an odd definition of the Midwest that doesn’t include Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, St. Louis, and (presumably) the Twin Cities. You might be able to find some girly girls in the Dakotas…that’s it.
And here’s the coup de grace, a post from “Denise Barber” that is so overloaded with shaming language it just might set the Catalog of Anti-Male Shaming Tactics on fire:
Lock-load is an insulting cretin. As well as an utter moron. The article is loaded with errors. He shows two pictures of actresses. Lillian Gish was an American woman She had a career that spanned decades.This makes her a successful career woman – who succeeded in a business crawling with the Tribe. She would not have endured the juvenile insults of a pathetic, inadequate joke Lockloser for 2 seconds.
Neither would have Hedy Lamar – a woman that used her exquisite beauty to garner every type of material benefit imaginable. She was bi-sexual, and fled Nazi Germany, to serve the goalso of Die Jude, in America. Lockloser most likely would not have had enough cold hard cash to elicit her attention. Her idea of a dinner date would have included diamond bracelets, as hors d’ oerves.
Lockboor then includes the photographs of an assortment of foul Lesbians, and Jewesses, as representative of American females. Which they are decidely not. The promotion of every sort of denegeracy, in every American institution, is the work of the Franfurt School of Talmudic Jewry. The horrors of a degraded American, and global, womanhood, is the work of the Jew.
Lockinadequete-appendage rhapsodizes about the helpfulness of foreign females, and asserts that they aren’t as greedy and grasping. I suspect Lockmommy’sboy is exceptionally good at retaining his small hoard of cash, and resents the expenditure of the price of a hotdog, on a sidewalk stand, on any female – but if he thinks that foreign females are not materially obssessedm and greedier than George Soros – he’s still a virgin. Asiatics are the most soulless, heartless, absolutely ammoral hardheaded gold-diggers, that have ever befouled the Earth. Impovershed Eastern European females are not far behind. I have personally witnessed the very thorough skinning of every assett, of American White males, who have sought “submissive, demure” foreign brides. I have laughed in the faces, of those men, when they bemoaned their impovershment, and legal ravagement. They got what they sought, and they got what they deserved.
Finally – the White Nationalist movement is always whining about the absence of females. Gee – I wonder if snarky, snot-drenched attitudes, exemplified by Locksociallyretarded, have anything to due with this problem? Sorry, fellas – it’s not women that have to please you – you have to please, and lure in women.
Yup. It’s true. My 9 year old nephew has better social skills, than do 90% of you.
Gee, thanks, Richard Spencer, for publishing this insulting garbage. All this article has done is PISS OFF a lot of WN females.
I demand an apology. And a retraction.
Really – I do.
As a White American Woman. Who talks to a lot of other White American women. Who have HAD IT with snarky, juvenile, insulting socially-cretinous WN men.
(To those of you that are functioning, intelligent males – thank you!)
Wow. If I didn’t see this on Alternative Right and if it wasn’t filled with white nationalist code-talking, I’d assume it was a feminist screed. Why do I visualize this broad with a cock-sized clit?
Here’s another from Denise:
Screw that “it was just satire” BS. Now you all sound like that Negroid “Congresschimp”, re: Guam tipping over.
Stop insulting American White females. It’s not funny at all. This trash did not come across as “satire”. FYI – satire is supposed to be sharp, and witty. This is boorish. crotch-scratching garbage. Every-one involved need to have a great big pitcher of whiskey, or beer, hurled in thier faces. Which will happen. That’s a promise, fellas.
I wasn’t involved with Locklin’s piece, but I still want that pitcher of whiskey! I never turn down free booze.
And another:
Many, many of the comments reveal the precise nature of the problem – the boorishness, childishness, and social inpetitude of American males.
Once again, fellas – the onus is on YOU to please women. Not the other way around. Ghetto Negroes have better wooing, and flirtation skills, than so many White males. A lot of you guys are beyond pathetic. You really have nothing to offer females of any Race. A lot of you have very little money, and you are not as physically attractive as you flatter yourselves to be. To many of you – not all – but many – your attitude towards women is the most repellent aspect of your being. It’s not women – it’s you.
Take a good, hard, long look in the mirror, before you denigrate and insult females, of any Nationality. There-in the source of the problem lies.
There’s a glimmer of a point in Denise’s misandrist screed – WN men appear to have problems attracting women. But of course, she gets the solution wrong. The problem is not that the men are too antagonistic towards women – the problem, from my vantage point, is that they are too SUPPLICATING to women. The solution is for WN men to grow a collective pair and stop letting hateful hags like Denise abuse them verbally and boss them around.
If you want more hilarity from Denise, check out this thread on Occidental Dissent. Her comments on that post make her look like a white nationalist version of She-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named. She claims to not be a feminist (despite talking exactly like one) and also claims that Locklin’s article “caused despair” in her WN girlfriends (I wonder if any of them blacked out or threw up while reading it?).
To be fair, not every white nationalist who chimed in on Locklin’s post was a slavering, sniveling cheerleader for cunts. Hunter Wallace, the Yogi Bear of WNs, opines:
This is the best article I have read so far at Alternative Right. It is simultaneously thought provoking, infuriating, and polarizing enough to generate a substantial amount of feedback. Whether you agree or disagree with the author, he provoked almost everyone here into responding, which in itself is worth considering.
Searching my thoughts, I agree with many points made by the author. I do find contemporary American women less attractive than their predecessors. As a general rule, they are more promiscuous, more lavacious, more insolent, fatter, more likely to miscegenate, less feminine, less dignified, and all around less attractive. I don’t see how any honest person – male or female – can deny there has been a deterioration of sexual mores.
The ultimate symbol of the decline of the American woman is the tramp stamp. I can’t go to the gym without seeing a roundtable discussion about the latest White whore that Tiger Woods is fucking on television. In fairness to the American woman, Tiger’s wife is Norwegian. Heidi Klum is German. European women also throw themselves at the feet of black men. It turns your stomach to watch it. No country seems immune to this sickness.
British women might be even worse than their American counterparts. I’ve heard all kinds of horror stories about British tramps vacationing in the Mediterranean. But all this is changing the subject. There are quality women in America. There are whores abroad and vice versa.
If I were to quibble with Locklin, I would point out that Americans are degenerates period, men and women alike. American men are just as bad as American women in this respect. I suppose American women could make a parallel case that European men are more romantic and better lovers. They are more traditional. Everything negative that can be said about the American woman is equally true of the American man.
I don’t blame Locklin for being a xenophile though. Personally, I am attracted to almost the same type of women. There are more traditional women overseas than in America. That’s just reality.
Now here’s a guy who gets it.
To my white brothers who are intoxicated with love for the race, I’m going to give you some free advice – denying the reality of the wretched state of white American womanhood will be the death of your ambitions. You’re not helping whites when you shout down anyone with the stones to declare that not only is the empress naked, she’s got a dick in each hand and another up her snatch. If you don’t want the beauty of the white Aryan woman to perish from the earth, you need to shape up or ship out. You need game. And if you can’t come with incentives for moral degenerates like Locklin and myself to abandon our ways and have blonde, blue-eyed broodlings with Teutonic babes, you will forever be doomed to obscurity.
As for Locklin’s observations, many of them square with my own. While I can’t claim to have seduced as many foreigners as the big players/PUAs/whatever they’re calling themselves these days (or as many women period), the few foreign women I’ve had relationships with have left me with an undying hunger for something more than the ersatz femininity that American girls embody. Once you go Quebecois, for instance, going back is like having your fingernails pried off. And the only woman I’ve dated that I would have seriously proposed to spent the bulk of her childhood in a Balkan war zone. Unlike most in the manosphere, I don’t complain about American women because it’s unproductive. All this blogosphere bitching isn’t going to make our countrywomen lose the pounds or learn how to walk straight, so what’s the point? And if I really cared about meeting a marriageable woman right now, I could be on a plane to Kiev by Sunday. For the sake of my soul and that of any woman who ends up being my wife, I’ve made other priorities the focus of my life. (Of course, this assumes I don’t go the Advocatus Diaboli route of spending my last years with escorts, which is starting to look like a better and better option every day.)
And before any of the ladies chime in with a “well, well, um you American men suck too!”, let me say that I do agree that typical American men are lousy husband material. Like Locklin, I am an ardent believer in Spengler’s Universal Law of Gender Parity. (Yes, that’s twice in one week I linked that page. Deal with it.) But since I’m neither a typical American man nor a homosexual, it’s not my problem. And you must ask yourself which came first, the sack-cutting shrew or the supine schmuck?
I’ll end this with a video reminder of a time when American girls were flirty, feminine, and fun, thanks to Ray Sawhill:
As much jiggling as the dance floor girls of today, but none of the ‘tude. And you thought it couldn’t be done…
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“If you don’t want the beauty of the white Aryan woman to perish from the earth, you need to shape up or ship out. You need game.” Yes! Each and every one us needs game. But whose game? And what game? From the standpoint of preserving the British empire, should Churchill have slaughtered the pig of Stalinism instead of the pig of Hitlerism? From the standpoint of preserving Germany, should Hitler have attempted to slaughter the pig of Islam instead of the pig of Marxism? Martin Luther believed that divine molding of people directly from clay might have been better than carnal reproduction in the manner of barnyard animals. However, does any game depend upon reality?
Céline observed that the Hapsburgs were an inbred criminal class with a tendency to a deformed lip and jaw; however, these Hapsburgs kept Europe running fairly well until they swallowed the Bonapartist poison of nationalism. The middle classes of Europe and North America swallowed the poisons of agnosticism, liberalism, and egalitarianism. Consider 10 translated quotations from Machiavelli’s “Il Principe”:
1. Before all else, be armed.
2. It is much more secure to be feared than loved.
3. Men are so simple and so much inclined to obey immediate needs that a deceiver will never lack victims for his deception.
4. Men should be either treated generously or destroyed, because they take revenge for slight injuries – for heavy ones they cannot.
5. No enterprise is more likely to succeed than one concealed from the enemy until it is ripe for execution
6. Politics have no relation to morals,
7. The first method for estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him.
8, The wise man does at once what the fool does finally.
9. There is no avoiding war; it can only be postponed to the advantage of others.
10. There is no surer sign of decay in a country than to see the rites of religion held in contempt.
Do WNs need to study Machiavelli’s ideas, science, technology, and the realities of money? Is all of life a treacherous war in which money buys tools, weapons, and political power, while political powers makes a grab for money? Does belief in God exist precisely because explosives, fox holes, disease, old age, and death exist?
[There's no way I can't like a guy who manages to work Celine into every comment he makes. - ed.]
The dark side of the force is far more powerful, and fun, than the other side. Pun intended..
i stopped dating american chicks my last year in college. the dry spells between finding a fish in the smaller pond that is foreign chicks is still worth not putting up with the sense of entitlement most american girls have…..latin girls are a 50/50 on this one though. latin guys ram ahead with aggressive game so much, that many mediocre latin girls think they are 9′s when they’re really a 5 at best plus they live with mom and work some shit job….and god forbid she make good money…then that is ALL she will f’ing talk about.
As an occasional reader of the Occidental Dissent site, commentator ‘Denise Barber’, or ‘Denise’ as she is known over at OD, is an absolute mental-case, who few take seriously whatsoever, so please do not think that the Occidental guys are kissing her ass or anything. She is often humored cause she will sometimes lampoon their enemies. Often, though, she goes even to far for their standards, and is taken to task for her stupid comments by many of them as well.
Believe me, as desperate as some of those guys may be, nobody is tripping over themselves to kiss-up or schmooz an old bag (I believe she is at least 50-60 years old — judging from the way she described events in her life).
Yet this delusional old woman still thinks she is entitled to male attention and supplication.
What has this country come to?!?
[I'm smart enough to know that only the most pathetic of manginas would roll over and beg for a scrap from her. But the general theme still stands. - ed.]
“There are many reasons why I’m not a white nationalist (despite having sympathy for some of their ideas), and the near-mandatory manginaness that comes with being one is in my top five.”
LOL! That’s actually the same reason I was turned off by the “men” in your sphere and left it after I realized the most important thing is living with and be governed by my own kind.
Mangina = a man who’s indifferent to his own kind getting fucked by that which is not his own kind.
[95 percent of the people who have ever fucked me over or tried happen to have the same skin color as me. So who is "my kind" again? - ed.]
A trip to the rural environs of any state will rapidly dissuade you of this asinine myth of white American beauty.
Isn’t this the truth! My husband and I just drove from WA to the east coast, a trip which took us through the better part of the “heart land”. About Montana I turned to my husband and marveled that on the coast or in any big city I would be merely “above average” in looks, but in this part of the country I was a bonafide hottie, a 10 even. :P The same with many small towns down south. Walk into a rest stop or gas station as a reasonably attractive woman and you might as well distribute autographed pictures to the gawkers. lol. That would never happen inside the trendy part of Atlanta or a much larger city!
[I'm smart enough to know that only the most pathetic of manginas would roll over and beg for a scrap from her. But the general theme still stands. - ed.]
I agree as well with the general theme of your article.
Again, its absolutely hysterical that an old lady thinks she is so ‘hot’ and ‘special’ and ‘deserving of male supplication and admiration cause she shows up to a mens-dominated site and makes an embarrassing spectacle of herself.
Ferdi, do American women ever grow up??
[If a deluded old bag is running around a blog demanding that people pay attention to her, then no. - ed.]
I thought the comments to this article were hilarious. First, I do what I want. My life is my own. period. If I date and marry an American women, that’s my business. If I date and marry a non-American women, that’s my business as well. I know both American and non-American women who are of both good and bad character.
On the more general matter, I find both conservatives and liberals to be annoying. The comments to this article are perfect demonstration how conservatives and be just as annoying as liberals. Both ideologies and their derivatives are the same kind of busy bodies trying to tell everyone else how they should live their lives.
Listen to me very closely. I don’t need another human being to tell me what kind of sex life I can have any more than I need them to tell me how to run my business or make my financial decisions. I’m my own person and I make my own choices and live my own life. My life, mind, and body are mine and mine alone. It is an insult for another human being to suggest what my life dreams and choices should be.
You’d think a movement obsessed with Nazi Germany would be ya know, a bit more manly. Say what you will about National Socialism dude, but at least it isn’t an ethos for wimps.
Most of the problem stems from the fact that men attracted to fringe political movements are nerds. Strange, novel socio-economic-political belief systems are, for those with high IQ and disinterest in social skills, something like a squeaky chew toy is for a teething puppy. It’s not just white nationalists…check out any gathering of Communists, Libertarians, Ron Paul fans, Jewish Defense League types, radical environmentalists…they’re all the same.
Changing gears: “Do American women ever grow up?” The answer, “no, not if their looks hold out.” The most dangerous predator on earth–if you happen to be a 50-70 year old man with lots of money–is a fiftysomething woman who still has her looks intact. This particular woman I know still looks like she’s in her mid-late 30s, and still basically acts like she’s fucking “JWOWW” from Jersey Shore and sucks the finances off these desperate old men like she’s Dracula slurping down blood plasma from one of those fat Kentucky Wal-Mart chicks.
The real question is, “Do American men ever grow up?”
Oh yeah, forgot to add “white men in the anti-racist/anti-fascist movements” to my list of hopeless nerds–these guys on the hard left make WN manginas look like Michael Jordan after massive tetosterone injection.
I mean, outside of their fellow hard leftist males, does anybody respect them? At least a guy dressed as a skinhead, no matter how hopelessly “white knight” and clueless he is on the inside, at least inspires some respect in non-skinheads as a potential violent thug. But does anybody really respect “fighters for human dignity” like Jeffrey Imm with his “Love wins, love wins” chant? I’m pretty sure the ghetto and barrio dwellers they claim to be defending from evil whitey wouldn’t be caught dead hanging around with these wussy freaks.
Yob,
LMFAO :)
Found this hilarious article as an antidote to all the shrill, overweight, opinionated harpies passing themselves off as ‘women’ -
What I find to be quite alien is the notion that a person would discuss their personal life plans on a venue such as this. Even when I was in high school, I never discussed my life plans with anyone other than my parents and a few close friends. Where I chose to go to college and what major (branch of engineering, of course) was mine and my parents business only (they were paying for it, after all). Later, when I graduated from college, I moved to SoCal. Again, this was a personal choice that I did not discuss with anyone other than my mother.
Same thing with regards to my interests and involvement in life extension and cryonics as well as my move to Japan. It is completely alien to me that I should discuss and get approval of my life choices with people whom I share no interests with and have nothing in common with. This strikes me as a particularly stupid thing to do.
For one thing, I lived in Japan and Taiwan for 10 years, speak the language, and am married to a Japanese wife. I am as comfortable living in Japan and Taiwan as I am in the U.S. and I prefer Japanese and Chinese food to U.S. food.
Secondly, I am into radical life extension and transhumanism (my wife is interested in these things, but not as much as I am). So, naturally, I am not going to feel any commonality with anyone, particularly if they have never lived internationally, who do not identify with these ideas.
What is silly about the social conservatives and especially the “white nationalists” is that they expect me to feel commonality with them simply because they live in the same region of the planet as I or am of these same race as I over, say, Asian people who share the same interests and objectives as I.
The silliness never stops.
This is the saddest case of transferal I’ve ever seen. These people seem incapable of coming to terms with their own faults. I’m no psychiatrist but even I can see they are using others as a mirror for their own failings. And what the fuck is wrong with the Jew hating bitch?
[They're white nationalists. They hate Jews as a matter of course. - ed.]
Tribalism is the final failing of humanity. With it entrenched firmly in place we will never ascend to our true potential.
[Nothin' wrong with tribalism - it's the founding block of human cooperation. But if those jokers expect me to cheer for Team White when my "teammates" spend their free time trying to screw me over, they've got another thing coming.]
For fuck sake, race isn’t even genetically tenable. Fuck a foreigner, your children will thank you for giving them a robust immune system.
It’s somewhat ironic that the Russian woman Locklin posts in his article has a fairly pronounced jawline after he praised oval-faced women.
[That chick looks more Lithuanian than Russian. - ed.]
I was thinking of writing something similar. I hadn’t seen the AR piece, but I have noticed the same thing in general. The WNs are manginas, period. They waste their time worrying about Jews and NAMs instead of dealing with the problem in front of them and all around them (white) women.
Hear. Hear. As far as I’m concerned the white race can go to hell, and I’m white. Whether its on the right or left of the political spectrum there are manginas everywhere. They and the women they prop up are causing me problems and are responsible for the sorry state Western Civilization is in, not their bogeymen like Jews.
And aren’t they WHITE NATIONALISTS not AMERICAN NATIONALISTS. They keep talking about from comments at AR how men need to get with white women in America, but what’s wrong with importing say Russian women to them? Russians are white. They can’t even be real WHITE nationalists because they are too busy being manginas.
By the numbers: White illegitimacy rates, all classes, 1964: less than 4%. Black rate, all classes, same year: 24%. White rate, all classes, now, 34%. White middle class: 20%. White working class: 40%. Black ghetto: 90% PLUS. Blacks nationally: 70% PLUS. Hispanics went from 17% illegitimacy in 1980, to over 50% today.
Conclusion: Black women became the most hypergamous (i.e. lots of illegitimate kids, multiple kids by multiple fathers, chaotic family life, selection for thugs, etc.) the quickest.
Followed by Hispanics.
THEN Whites. Who seem more resistant in the middle classes, but are definitely approaching Hispanic norms in the Working Class.
Moreover, we see a number of sexual preferences among men and women. Women of all races, including White Women, prefer Black men as sexual partners and fathers of their children. No wonder, Black men on average have more testosterone! They are more “masculine” in that they have more aggression, musculature, dominance, more prone to fighting, less to abstract thinking (itself a turn-off to women as opposed to feeling), and so on.
Negatives when women MUST have a steady mate, pure unalloyed positives, when a steady mate is not required because of abundance of resources.
Meanwhile, Black men, desired by women of all races (a Ron Artest will be desired by all women of all races, broadly, a Pau Gasol generally not), prefer White women. Heck, Tiki Barber, NBC commentator and former running back, left his pregnant wife with whom he has two kids for a 23-year old slender blonde intern. Asian women are preferred next, then Latinas, and Black women last, by Black men who can have anyone.
Sucks for Black women. Also for Asian men, who are not desired by much of anyone who has a choice. White men also lose out, in the free sexual marketplace across racial lines. This is why Black women and Asian men, the two biggest losers, try to use shame and racial solidarity to keep Black men and Asian women from crossing racial lines in love and romance.
The WN are losers. Black women and Asian men have not stopped much of what’s going on. You can’t stop it. Short of racial balkanization and fear of violence visited upon those who cross lines, there is no way to stop it. With atomized individuality and a cross-country move at a whim, community control over people’s lives is gone.
Moreover, the point of the undesirability of most White women (and Black women, and Hispanic women too) remains potent. I am sure most White men, and Asian Men, and probably Hispanic men have their lacking as well. At least Black men are good at being what women want: the hunkiest thug ever!
Look at the Twilight following. The novels and films are basically a hunky Latino/Indian guy fighting some older-but-looks-young-thug-White-guy over a girl. That’s it. Unless restrained, women’s hypergamy runs rampant. The way male harem building does in Arabia, and is equally destructive.
Its not merely White women. Take a gander at most Black or Hispanic or Asian women. You won’t find much else there to recommend them over their White sisters.
Fuck a foreigner, your children will thank you for giving them a robust immune system.
Huh? Exactly which branch of the immune system is more robust in mixed race people vs. nonmixed?
>>Its not merely White women. Take a gander at most Black or Hispanic or Asian women. You won’t find much else there to recommend them over their White sisters.>>
True. After you’re done cringing from the tattooed fatties in that Kentucky Wal-Mart, walk over to the next aisle, check out waddling Shayqueesha with her yard-wide hips and miscolored weave to be divested of the idea that “Black is Beautiful.” And when you’re done with that, walk a couple of aisles to take a ganger at Juanita, 4’11″ tall and outweighing her husband and kids put together. That takes care of the “Latinas are HOT!” meme.
And for you Asiaphiles: drive from that Wal-Mart to Louisville or Lexington, or some other nearby larger city, to enjoy the Margaret Cho lookalikes using the same feminist talking points you get from college-educated white women.
[American chicks irregardless of race are pretty grody. But I don't hear black nationalists constantly beating their chests about how the beauty of their women is envied the world over. - ed.]
Plenty of girls of pure Aryan stock in the heartland; it’s a shame so many of ‘em are either heffalumps or glass-addled freaks with bad teeth. I would rather jerk off to a video of Jennifer Hudson backin’ that thang up then nail one of the half-human, half-doughy things that amble through the aisles of a Kentucky Walmart.
This reminds me of a passage I’ve never forgotten since the first time I saw it, from Bill Bryson’s The Lost Continent:
Iowa women are almost always sensationally overweight–you see them at Merle Hay Mall in Des Moines on Saturdays, clammy and meaty in their shorts and halter tops, looking a little like elephants dressed in children’s clothes, yelling at their kids, calling out names like Dwayne and Shauna. Jack Kerouac, of all people, thought that Iowa women were the prettiest in the country, but I don’t think he ever went to Merle Hay Mall on a Saturday. I will say this, however–and it’s a strange, strange thing–the teenaged daughters of these fat women are always utterly delectable, as soft and gloriously rounded and naturally fresh-smeling as a basket of fruit. I don’t know what it is that happens to them, but it must be awful to marry one of those nubile cuties knowing that there is a time bomb ticking away in her that will at some unknown date make her bloat out into something huge and grotesque, presumably all of a sudden and without much notice, like a self-inflating raft from which the pin has been yanked.
Hermes — The answer is simple. Iowan food habits hearken back to the days of heavy farm work. Iowan woman would still be beautiful, if they were milking cows, moving hay, pulling weeds, feeding chickens, riding and grooming horses, and the other things that farm women do.
Look at any cookbook from before 1935. It’s a calorific monstrosity. Because people walked everywhere, hard labor was required to do almost anything. Almost no one had a car. Even daily housework was brutal, no vacuums, powered appliances, or washing machines. Look at say, the pictures of men and women, civilians, in the war years of 1941-45. Due to rationing, about the same as life in 1925.
Kerouac was not wrong. Women then in Iowa and other farm places were beautiful. Even older women burned the calories.
Minos, the immune boost is in aggregate. It is a people as a whole that enjoy the more robust defenses. Inbreeding creates a simplistic system that can be taken out by a normal flu that evolved beyond our capability to fend it off, and these morons are submitting themselves to inbreeding simply to maintain a skin color that has no viable purpose. Genetic diversity gives offspring a set of weapons they wouldn’t have had otherwise. People will still die of diseases, but you increase the number of survivors. Breeding is like mixing colors, if you don’t try different shades you won’t get all of the lovely results.
To my white brothers who are intoxicated with love for the race, I’m going to give you some free advice – denying the reality of the wretched state of white American womanhood will be the death of your ambitions. You’re not helping whites when you shout down anyone with the stones to declare that not only is the empress naked, she’s got a dick in each hand and another up her snatch. If you don’t want the beauty of the white Aryan woman to perish from the earth, you need to shape up or ship out. You need game. And if you can’t come with incentives for moral degenerates like Locklin and myself to abandon our ways and have blonde, blue-eyed broodlings with Teutonic babes, you will forever be doomed to obscurity.
Almost feel over laughing reading your post. Amen my white brother. Though I disagree with you that the majority of white American women are a write-off, you have hit the nail on the head on a number of points. Reputed “Aryan†macho men also do something else that is hurting their chances with the white sistahood. They continually harp on the claim that white women are a weak link in their proposed “New Order†because such women, in recent years, tend to vote more for Democrats or liberal/moderate Republicans. The theory is because women are morally defective and weaker, and want more of a socialist nanny state with ever more bountiful government subsidies, transfer payments and “compassion.†This is a standard talking point with the Steve Sailer crowd, and they back it up with an assortment of studies and stats. Difficult to see how calling white females morally defective and insulting their intelligence will help the Aryo-losers already dismal batting average with “their†women.
Notice the contradiction. The Aryo-dweebs are obsessed with blacks as the source of all evil, as the main culprits in the destruction of “states rights,†limited government etc etc. But on the other hand, they also whine about how “uncooperative†white women are as the main source of key Democratic/liberal majorities. They are hoist on their own petards. At 10% of the population, and with significant concentration in states that are already mostly Dem, black votes mean little in tipping the scales in numerous Repub vs Dem contests. Huge numbers of black voters in NY or California or Chicago for example don’t mean much, since those areas are already going to go Dem anyway, whether in national contests or gerrymandered local districts. The key element that can swing many elections is the votes of the white sisterhood. Alas, the “defective†white sisterhood is not falling into line to support the wished for ‘New Reich†according to the stats proffered by the WNs themselves. So not only have they failed sexually with “their†women, but they can’t even get “their†women on board politically to bring about the ‘New Order.†Blacks however make a convenient scapegoat for these “twin†failures, diverting attention from ‘Aryan’ incompetence.
Now along comes your paean to foreign women and hypocritically, the “white knights†charge out in high dudgeon, to “defend†white womanhood from alleged “unfair†attacks… I am no liberal by the way but a straight up conservative. Nevertheless the hypocrisy and double-facedness of our ‘Aryan†friends is something to behold..
Party on dude..
@Whisky
While individual white gals and black guys are getting it on here and there, there is really no significant wave of black-white interracial hookups in the overall picture, and white women aren’t flocking out in droves to nail powerfully hung “black bucks,†no matter how many “Mandingo†romance novels they have read, or the parade of people on the “Maury†show. That is not the reality, despite all the “drama†on both sides of the fence, or obsession with Tiger Wood.. or whatever the latest bogus media-driven “race†story is.
Despite a lot of ‘Aryan†hand-wringing about “our womenâ€, black –white marriages (about 60% involving black men-white women) statistically are trivial, LESS than one percent of total marriages.. Chump change.. in the bigger picture. The main interracial marriage action is white-Asian, white-Hispanic, and even that is small statistically, less than 3%. Most white guys I know aren’t losing sleep over this “issueâ€. Hell they could care less. And if the brothas want to take all those unmanageable white sistas off their hands, all the better then. What then drives the obsessive fear on this “problem†among our “Aryan†crowd? Hell there are a lot more long-term gay hookups than IR marriages floating around. One bright spot though.. Aryan nationalists should take comfort in the fact that white gays primarily sleep around with other white gays, thus preserving ‘Aryan purity†even in (well you know… :):
Ah, the idiot beta-boy Testicle99 is here regurgitating his masochistic self-hatred.
Completely unrelated but I found some very true (and nerdy) valentine cards.
http://www.comicsalliance.com/2010/02/12/cerebus-valentines/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
Whiskey: “Meanwhile, Black men, desired by women of all races (a Ron Artest will be desired by all women of all races, broadly, a Pau Gasol generally not)”
This is dumb. You overdo the “all women prefer black men” thing. Of all the white women I’ve known over the years this is not the case, and in general observation I rarely see white women with black men and I live among diversity. I guarantee the vast majority of white and asian women would choose David Lee over Ron Artest.
As far as White Nationalism, I don’t believe in it because I don’t see a White Nation-State ever happening. Seems impossible to me. I do however believe in White Advocacy or whatever you’d like to call it, because I want white people to come together and get rid of affirmative action and other government sponsored racism. I want my fucking government out of the race business completely, it pisses me off. That includes universities and corporations as well. I would also like white people to stand up collectively and say a big, loud “fuck you” to guilty white liberals, non-whites, democrats, or anybody who complains about racism or white people. Really. Fuck you already.
This is dumb. You overdo the “all women prefer black men†thing.
He does this because Testicle99 is a loser who can’t get a White woman he think’s that he is somehow ‘entitled to’ (you know, a ‘hottie’) — so he puts them all down, along with White men, as a result.
“And aren’t they WHITE NATIONALISTS not AMERICAN NATIONALISTS.”
“Your Country ain’t your blood.”
-Sonny Corleone, The Godfather Part II
“They keep talking about from comments at AR how men need to get with white women in America, but what’s wrong with importing say Russian women to them? Russians are White.”
No WN Man has complained about that practice.
Locklin specially advocated not discriminating amongst foreign women by race. Since the vast majority of foreign women are Non-White, this is a recipe for the dissolution of the White Race.
If somebody advocated practices that would destroy something you cared about, something you owe your life to, wouldn’t you be upset?
[He was being facetious. Lighten up, man. Not everything has to be serious. - ed.]
But for some people Women are just for giving Men pleasure, and not for making babies.
[Why not both? - ed.]
I only wish their fathers and mothers and taken that attitude, as then the World wouldn’t be cursed by their presence.
[I'm all for making babies, as are most people. But if the incentives to procreate aren't there, you can just fuhgeddaboudit.]
“Why not both?”
There’s no reason why we shouldn’t seek to organize society in such a way that both uses of a Woman can be achieved.
However it MUST be understood that the pleasure exists merely as a tool to help drive Men into making babies.
Jesus said: “The Sabbath was made for Man, and not Man for the Sabbath.â€
He said this to explain to people that the Sabbath is merely the servant of Man, as that which exists merely to serve X is less than X, and therefore in a conflict between Human needs and the custom called the Sabbath, the needs of Humans ought to be given precedence.
In the same way, Sexual Pleasure was made for Babies to be born, and therefore Sexual Pleasure is less important that procreation, and procreation ought to be given precedence.
Even if you look at things merely from the standpoint of Sexual Pleasure being the only thing of value in the Universe, this still follows!
If I father a son tomorrow, on average I’ll have created a Reginald LIFETIME worth of sexual pleasure by this act.
And if the average White Boy has 1.9 children, I’ll have on average created 2.9 Reginald lifetimes worth of sexual pleasure by my act. And that doesn’t even include the issue that my son could have grandchildren of his own!
Clearly, if I only want to create more sexual pleasure, I should concentrate on fathering children, and when forced to choose pick that goal as being far more worthy than maximizing the amount of sexual pleasure I experience in my personal lifetime.
Now you may say that Hedonist Men only care for their own pleasure, BUT THEN HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN ROISSY?
This Hedonist has devoted his life to the unpaid pursuit of helping Men he doesn’t even know squeeze some sexual pleasure from their lives.
“I’m all for making babies, as are most people. But if the incentives to procreate aren’t there, you can just fuhgeddaboudit.”
I guess you are to making babies what hookers are to having sex. I’m sorry, but if I’m going to bribe people to have children, it will have to be bribing them to have my children.
Well either that or bribing them to have the children of a Supergenius Scientist with an IQ even higher than I have.
As you are a Man, this could never be.
[Governments bribe people to procreate all the time. Where do you think the marital tax deduction came from? - ed.]
But on a plane higher than the personal, what would it take to incentivise you into making babies? Would the legalization of Polygamy be enough?
Because I’m strongly in favor of that step being taken.
[I can understand why you would support polygamy, but that would be worse than what we have now. And I assume you want me to have babies in the US of A, because I could probably start a family in Eastern Europe or Latin America (Argentina if you prefer). I have been thinking about this topic as of late, and here is my truncated list of things people interested in rejuvenating the white birthrate should support:
1) Jubilee for college loans and all related college debt.
2) Withdrawal from all free trade agreements and organizations combined with punitive tariffs on all foreign goods to rejuvenate the American manufacturing sector.
3) Abolition of no-fault divorce.
4) Reform of child support laws.
Any government in the West that implements those four measures will see its birthrates explode.]
Black nationalists do talk up the “beauty” dubious as it is of Black women. Despite all evidence to the contrary. Though there certainly are some beautiful Black women, just not very many. Gabrielle Union, Halle Berry, certainly. Michelle Obama is constantly talked up as the model of a beautiful and elegant woman.
She looks and acts like a Klingon Lawyer.
I agree inter-racial marriage is small. However preference for athletes and celebrities is large, ala Tiki Barber. Or Steve McNair. I’ve known many White women, almost all professionals, highly educated. They do like their Black guys, particularly the pro athletes. However, they generally disdain them for actual husbands, particularly for reasons of reliability and presentability. Among lower class White women this is less of an issue. Interracial marriage seems highest in the military — you will see a lot of couples in both configurations, likely because of lack of many women available, and civilians being unable to deal with frequent deployments/relocations. This group seems different than the Rachel Uchitels, far more working class “plus” akin to skilled tradesmen. Do “all women vote Dem?” No but most do and the same holds true for the sexual marketplace in aggregate.
Reality: I’m sure mine swing bigger than yours.
White Nationalism is a failure, a spectacular one. As noted, White women consistently vote for various attributes of socialism.
Getting rid of Affirmative Action and other racial preferences is impossible at this point — there is too much legal structure, embedded dependency, clientitis, and so on. The Media, Hollywood, most of corporate America, the Military, the legal professions, the universities, students, the K-12 education system, the entire Black/Hispanic middle/upper class, would howl, riot, revolt. It would require totally replacing the Supreme Court with populist Whites, the Congress, Presidency, and nearly every State legislature, Governor’s office, and State Supreme Court plus all the lower federal and state courts.
At best, we can promote “White Socialism” in the naked spoils grabbing sans guilt. Get yours before someone else does. Someone will have to stand in the back of the line. This means picking spots and picking strategic fights.
Ala a campaign suing racial discrimination in the NBA, against Whites, to rile things up and serve as a potent Alinsky distraction, at the same time there is pressure to allocate resources for Medical Care mainly to the White Middle Class. This has the advantage of picking up White women voters.
Oh man, what an awesome video. I was totally entranced by the dancer with the brown bob. Even the singer, who physically looked like any other DC lawyer cunt, managed to overcome her blandness with femininity and managed to carry off confidence and forcefullness without coming across like a ball-buster.
I’ll never marry again, but girls like that brunette dancer can occasionally get me doubting myself.
So so so much better than the vulgar shit on Lady Gaga or Beyonce videos
I loved this post, and the original one. Had me laughing so hard tea snorted out of my nose. I’ve got a similar one coming up soon, so it was interesting to see someone else addressing the same topic.
Absolutely! Men, if you want a good wife, go to Mariánské LáznÄ›, where my family is from. Just gather all of the unmarried women between the ages of 18 and 27 and pick one randomly. You’re much more likely to find a good one that way, than searching for the needle in the haystack here. Young, pretty, fertile, helpful, respectful, and they even make great goulash.
I’m absolutely horrified by the women here. Even German women are better than this. At least they look good, and know how to cook and keep house. There are some good American women, but even they will tell you that they are rare. It’s hard for them to make friends here, because the other women are so terrible.
And if you can’t come with incentives for moral degenerates like Locklin and myself to abandon our ways and have blonde, blue-eyed broodlings with Teutonic babes, you will forever be doomed to obscurity.
May I just note that my husband didn’t marry a true Teutonic woman, but he still has blonde, blue-eyed Teutonic babies. There’s more than one way to skin a cat, you know. What’s the point of being a WN if you don’t pass on your genetic legacy? If it weren’t for the Polish and Brazilian brides, Germany’s birth rate would have halved by now.
And Hestia’s right about beauty-ratings. I live out near Amish country and out here men stare at me like their eyes are falling out of their heads, trail me down the street, etc. “Oh, my gosh! She has a defined waist and wears a dress!” In D.C. or Baltimore I get a casual glance, at the most. In Germany, I just get a second look for being “exotic” and having an accent.
The women out here are mostly hideous and sloppy, but they think that they are “all that”. They need to get out more. I’ve never seen so many seriously obese people in my life, as you can see all over America.
You’d think a movement obsessed with Nazi Germany would be ya know, a bit more manly.
Some of my male relatives in Germany could totally kick these guys’ asses, even though they’re so old now. These guys probably would have run and hid from the Russians, LOL.
WN will never catch on as long as the women aren’t worth fighting for. Men, go get yourselves a nice Czech or Romanian woman (try TimiÅŸoara), and call it a day.
That was a nice deconstruction of that garbage, Ferdinand…
Reality: I’m sure mine swing bigger than yours.
LOL – good one Testy.
Seriously though, ease up with your obsession with Black men, its a little creepy.
Fuck it. The west is dead. There’s no saving it. What once meant something means nothing now, it’s just porn and consumerism now, we’re well on our way to all being mulattoed drunkards. Might as well get laid in the meantime. Why have White kids when they’ll just be used as fuck toys for some angry colored people.
Ancel De Lambert, yeah, the benefit of genetic diversity is to a species or to a population, and not to the individual. So whether the children of any given genetically distinct couple are better or *worse* off (or the same) depends on the particular complement of genes they end up with. There’s no evidence that mixed race children are more likely to be better or worse off immunologically than non-mixed ones.
T-boy sez:
“At least Black men are good at being what women want: the hunkiest thug ever!”
There is no way a non-homo male wrote that.
“Governments bribe people to procreate all the time. Where do you think the marital tax deduction came from?”
France and Russia are the only Countries that are serious about it, though, as far as I can tell.
The Tax Structure in America discourages people to work, by taxing the people who work at a much higher rate. This discourages marriage more than the marital tax deduction encourages it.
“I can understand why you would support polygamy, but that would be worse than what we have now.”
If by “worse”, you mean better, I agree.
[The problem with polygamy is that it locks most men - usually poorer and younger men - out of the sexual marketplace. It solves one problem and creates another. How do you plan to deal with all those lonely, unsexed, testosterone-fueled young guys running around? Kill them off in war (not possible in the age of MAD)? Deport them (only dumps the problem on someone else, and who'll do the deporting)? Give them bread and circuses (kicks the problem further down the road when the economy crashes, as it always does)? For the longest time, the West functioned just fine with monogamy, because it kept the birthrate up while ensuring social stability. - ed.]
“And I assume you want me to have babies in the US of A”
Actually there are White Countries that have an even greater paucity of White Men interested in making babies than America does.
If you went there with the firm intention of making babies, you might actually end up doing more good.
“because I could probably start a family in Eastern Europe or Latin America (Argentina if you prefer).”
Eastern Europe would be an excellent choice.
The problem with Latin America is that Whites there seem to be getting outbred even worse than they are in America. Therefore sending you there would probably be like firing a small caliber gun at a 50 foot giant.
You know, a waste of resources that could be better spent elsewhere.
“I have been thinking about this topic as of late, and here is my truncated list of things people interested in rejuvenating the white birthrate should support:â€
All four of your ideas would certainly improve matters, especially the one about abolishing no fault divorce.
The bad thing about no fault divorce is that besides causing White People to spend less of their lives in the fertility enhancing married state, it also serves to scare Men off from marriage.
And especially it may be scaring off the higher income and higher IQ White Men who have the most to lose, monetarily speaking, from having an involuntary and unprovoked divorce sprung on them.
For the sake of maintaining racial quality, those are the White Men we should be encouraging to breed the most, which is the sick thing about it.
You also make a very important point about child support laws.
It was a grave mistake to let the legal system base that so much on a percentage of the Man’s income.
It’s completely absurd when what they should do is base in on how much the mother and her children could comfortably live off of.
Anything more than that only serves to evilly tempt the wives of relatively wealthy Men into divorce.
The wife of a rich Men should see her standard of living go DOWN after a divorce, not stay the same or go up.
[Reginald, have you read "The Misandry Bubble" by my blograde The Fifth Horseman? It's a great primer on the myriad reasons why men aren't getting married anymore, how they're coping, and how the whole dystopia will be undone in ten years' time. Seems like you're already familiar with many of these issues.
http://www.singularity2050.com/2010/01/the-misandry-bubble.html - ed.]
Look at Tiki Barber’s latest squeeze. The 23-year old blonde, from a wealthy family, interning at NBC. Does she think realistically that Barber will marry her? Unlikely. She has a family that has by all accounts, considerable wealth, so gold-digging is not at play. She’s young, and could quite conceivably have all sorts of men, including ones quite closer to her age than the 35 year old Barber, a full 12 years her senior.
Note, Barber is at best a minor celebrity, several years removed from playing, and a second tier player at best. Why him?
Women unless fairly strong social controls (of other women, particularly mothers, aunts, cousins, friends, sisters) impose a sense of shame, reliably pick the most aggressive, dominant, high-testosterone kind of men available, even if they are deficient in other areas or it hurts their long-term choices.
Barber’s squeeze, could have had anyone, really, including more suitable male celebrities her own age, and chose that guy.
The flip-side is Black women. Generally hyper-masculine, unattractive, examples the Williams linebacker sisters. Or Michelle Obama, regularly pushed as the model of feminine grace.
Whenever the term “white nationalist” comes up, people likely picture a uniformed skinhead or some other paramilitary type with a membrship to an organization SPLC keeps an eye on.
Such people exist. They are the marginalized of marginalized.
But there are millions of normal whitel people — likely close to 100% of nthis blog’s white readers — shit, close to 100% of all white people in America, including liberals — who would find living in a black/brown United States something akin to living in hell.
All of us are white nationalists, in a way. To put it into different words, all of us are normal human beings.
We may or may not have a few non-white friedns, may or may not harbor generous opinions on race around said friends, or in polite company in general… but I doubt any of us woudl like to live as a minority among non-whites. Even among HBD’s beloved East Asians, who let’s not forget, were not so hi-IQ, nerdy, beta and polite at Hanoi, Bataan or Nanking.
While white nationalism seems freakish today, it’s only as freakish desiring to own a business in Brezhnev’s USSR.
[The biggest problem with white nationalism is that it's trying to construct a pan-racial identity where there is none and never has been. The various ethnicities that make up America's whites have been slitting each others' throats since time immemorial. Individual nationalisms based on heritages (Irish-American, Italian-American, etc.) have a better shot at success than white nationalism. - ed.]
whiskey
I hate these ideas that are just so ahistorical, ignoring even 30 years ago. In the 60s-80s there wasn’t much black man white woman coupling though it did appear for awhile in movies in the late 60s-70s, and not as much in the 90s as now. However it’s been throughly pushed onto gen Y as a good thing and any kind of non violent opposition or scorn of it as horrifically racist, whether by white guys or girls, by such left oriented and owned outlets as MTV, and from there, the wider media. Esp. in the last five or six years in the wider media.
As for your notion that black men are inherantly the most attractive to white women, I see little evidence of this. However there is a quasi taboo still, but no longer due to leftist propaganda an acceptable one in many quarters (for whites) to openly push to enforce by social scorn or shaming of “dating” black, so this has a badness thrill built in by ideology for many liberal white girls. It also sticks it to white guys who society is constantly telling everyone it’s cool to do, and loss of unjust privilege whining for them to complain, as other race groups do whenever attractive opposite sex members date out.
However, white guys can simply be uninterested in white girls as LTR much less wife material if they’ve shown a preference for black men previously at various points in her life, just like they can and should reject high volume prior sluts. Both are real bad signs that she’ll make a faithful wife. Well the two categories heavily overlap.
Whiskey is best read as comedy. At best he’s like a deadpan standup performer who utters one or two insighful things as he mubles over-the-top assertions. At worst, Whiskey is like Jane Fonda hissing words of despair on north Vietnam radio.
I also see littel evidence of black as a whole having much pull over non-black women. Whenever we see interracial couples, it’s either an elite black male (athletic, handsome, smart) with an average white female, or a solidly above-average black guy with a warpig white female.
I had a mini-epiphany of sorts a few days ago on a commuter train. A group of lawyer-types was occupying several rows of seats, loudly carrying on, joking, laughing. There were about 5 white guys, 2-3 black, and a few women, moslty attractive black ones, all appearing to either know each other or actually traveling together.
The top three aplha guys of that group were white. They projected easy authority, in a fun, relaxed way. The top white guys were leading the convos. Telling jokes or stories, with the whole group bursting out in laugher ever couple of seconds.
The black guys of the group, while “above average” and who looked like professionals, were at best in supporting role to the top white guys. They looked comfortable enough, but subdued i a way. In other words, they settled into their beta role. The women (most of whom were black) looked CLEARLY responsive to the white guys’ lead. Their eyes lit up whtn the top white dude was rattling off his stories.
ANd the mini-epiphany? It occurred to me that in teh aggregate, today’s black ‘swag’ relative to whites is a product of a culture that encourages black supremacy and enforces white defensiveness. It’s about who is allowed to be loud. Run-of-the-mill young black males: they let it fly because no one is stopping them; nay, they are encouraged by school and pop culture. Whites, on the other hand, are only allowed to revel in individual accomplishmen, not coolective unless it’s Irish pride or some other such anachronistic excuse to drink beer.
What this group on the train showed me is that when unbound, white men wil lassume the alpha role, among men and among women, even non-white women.
Ancel
Stop listening to leftist ideologues, some of who are scientists but almost always talking outside the field of expertise on things like this.
Race is ABSOLUTELY and completely genetically determinable, down to very fine detail and subdivisions of races now. Further the popular conceptions of racial division and which race someone falls into tend to be pretty broadly accurate when compared to scientific analysis so long as the person doing the catagorizing has a good bit of familiarity with each of the groups he/she is asked to assign individuals to, his best guess.
Race is important in many and a growing number of areas of medicine, now that the post 60s taboo on researching and clincially considering it is lifting. For example some types of medicines used to treat hypertension (high blood pressure in “Americans” (whites predominately) aren’t nearly as effective on African Americans usually, those other types of hypertension reducing drugs are. And so on.
Ancel–
Of course there are all kinds of complex mixtures of races in different parts of the world. When these are of a long standing nature, these groups often on a geographic cline between major racial groups, can be called and are sub races.
More recent mixtures are mixtures and tend not to be too geographically associated, but rather spread around a country like the Us and many others in this jet and previously mass sea and rail transport age.
There’s not nearly as much racial mixing overall as the attention to it would suggest. The rate of mixture of NE Asian women and white America men, measured by reference to the much smaller group in America, NE asian women, is pretty high. I imagine it is w/SE Asian women in the us too, but they’re a really small group, comparatively, and aren’t usually broken out from other E Asians.
Whiskey
It most certainly is not. It came fairly close to happening in the Michigan law case. Sandra Day O’Conner said it should be sunset, but not yet.
The Conn. firefighters case that Sotomayor decided the wrong way on the Court of Appeals, but which was reversed by the Supremes, is an important step in the right direction.
As usual you don’t know what you’re talking about. And you’re submersed in invariable doom and gloom. Must suck to be you.
PA is like the racist version of The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. :) lol
Whiskey has a good point about Tiki Barber’s latest honey. He goes way over the top but sometimes his stuff makes sense until he loses it.
Ferdinand, that video is a great find!
I’m out.
@ sharpcool:
“I do however believe in White Advocacy or whatever you’d like to call it, because I want white people to come together and get rid of affirmative action and other government sponsored racism.”
Curiously, you are not in favor of getting rid of affirmative action for white women, who are its biggest beneficiaries, because they too in various government categories are classified as “minorities.” As one recent 2007 study notes:
Quote:
“The National Merit Scholar procedure (undertaken in order to improve the gender mix in the candidate pool) is to choose potential scholarship recipients based on the math score plus two times the verbal score, but this does not lead to equal numbers of female and male recipients: in 1995-96, 39 percent of National Merit Scholars were female, even though 55 percent of students taking the PSAT.. were female. This led to a complaint by the organization FairTest, filed with the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights, that led to the Educational Testing Service and College Board agreeing to add a writing skills section to the PSAT beginning with the high school class of 1999. This led to a significant reduction in the gender gap in qualifying test scores.”
(Jacobsen.The economics of Gender. 2007.)
And as to “affirmative action: – quote:
Since 1972, all federal contractors and first-tier sub-contractors with 50 or more employees (or a contract worth $50,000 or more) must agree to “take affirmative action to ensure that applicants are employed and that employees are treated during employment without regard to their race, color, religion, sex or national origin.”: These actions include maintaining written affirmative action plans containing goals and timetables for correcting deficiencies in equal employment opportunity. ..”
(Jacobsen.The economics of Gender. 2007.)
The authors of one study cited by Jacobsen conclude that “affirmative action has had a modest effect in increasing white female employment..”
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“HBDers” (High Bullshite Density) supporters like to rail against blacks, but have no problem cashing the checks earned by their white wives, relatives and girlfriends under “affirmative action.” They rail against “wasteful” spending on blacks in schools, but the bulk of school payrolls go to teachers who are overwhelmingly white women. Again, ‘HBDers” are quite happy to cash the checks brought home by white girlfriends, relatives and wives for allegedly “wasteful” educational spending.
@ PA:
“Whites, on the other hand, are only allowed to revel in individual accomplishmen, not coolective unless it’s Irish pride or some other such anachronistic excuse to drink beer.”
Baloney. There are numerous instances where whites are more than encouraged to “revel” in collective endeavor. I played high school ball in a suburban/rural town. We did not have many “minorities” it was mostly a white team. The best linemen on our team were white, as were out running backs and receivers. We more than held our own against the more black “urban” teams surrounding because we had better preparation and had decent talent. In our state that was the pattern. And yes, we celebrated “collectively” when we won. Nobody stopped us because we were “white.” That’s BS.
affirmative action for white women, who are its biggest beneficiaries,
Not true. This might be a favorite talking point for you, Obsidian/Mumin, and Truth, but it is false.
Read these articles by Richard Hoste.
End Affirmative Action, End the Black Upper Class: The Case of Law
Affirmative Action in Modern America
29 Blacks a Year Qualified for T14
And yes, we celebrated “collectively” when we won. Nobody stopped us because we were “white.” That’s BS.
Whites are not allowed collective pride and celebration as whites.
“A trip to the rural environs of any state will rapidly dissuade you of this asinine myth of white American beauty. ”
That is because, as Oswald Spengler explained, as civilizations decline the ‘best and brightest’ move to urban areas to try and prop up civilization for a little while longer; most of those left in the rural areas are the “fellaheen” –
“At this level all Civilizations enter upon a stage, which lasts for centuries, of appalling depopulation. The whole pyramid of cultural man vanishes. It crumbles from the summit, first the world-cities, then the provincial forms and finally the land itself, whose best blood has incontinently poured in to the towns, merely to bolster them up awhile. At the last, only the primitive blood remains, alive, but robbed of its strongest and most promising elements. This residue is the Fellah type.†– from Chapter XIII – “Cities and People†in THE DECLINE OF THE WEST
Do you all think Jennifer Hudson would still look good if she was 100% racially African?
Do you think it is the smattering of White/European genes in her which make her look attractive?
[Hudson's best feature is her butt, and white girls aren't known for having awesome cabooses like hers, so...no. - ed.]
I am thoroughly in favor of getting rid of affirmative action for white women, and all other women. As I’ve said before the list of major volume affirmative action receivers, who should lose it in order if it doesn’t happen all at once, or in other words who least deserve it are:
1) women as women, including white women, who have no other leg to AA stand on. (Women are except at the extreme smart end (due to more clumping in the middle than men on intelligence, as smart as men and have enjoyed for a long time now very similar socio economic advantages as men.)
2) immigrants of any race, legal or illegal. (You come here voluntarily, you get no special priviliges just cause your group probably l largely for genetic reasons and most of the rest cultural, has a hard time rising as high as other groups. Tough. Don’t like it, don’t come. Actually I hope underperforming group ethnicities don’t, except for big outlier performers, who don’t need and should get AA.) Let’s make this a bit more precise and say immigrants since the Civil Rights Act of 1965, and their progeny.
3) Hispanics/Latinos however long their families were here. You were never enslaved or treated with more distain than skads of other American groups that were down for awhile. Such as Chinese, Irish, eastern European Jews at first, and so on.
4) Blacks. If anyone should get it, it would be blacks and maybe AmerIndians. AmerIndians get a big guilt and sympathy inclusion due to leftist propaganda that it was oh so horrible to conquor them when they were hostile nations opposing whites, tough shite they lost and mostly died due to very poorly understood Eurasian diseases that the isolated AmerIndians hadn’t encountered. But the thing is they really haven’t been discriminated against if they’re individually acting ok for a long time in America, and most of them have hugely intermarried with whites, so as to seem to have disappeared. But their genes haven’t.
That’s the order but I want it all gone.
Or else lets have a real diversity thing that e.g. has quotas for Jews.
Now that might not be good for the country’s competitiveness but certainly AA isn’t either. What would be good for the country is ending this taboo on discussing and criticizing and thereby limiting enormously outsized but dimly known by most media following yahoos, Jewish influence. E.g. in the entertainment and indeed most mass media, by networking mechanism primarily.
It has been proven by genetics that most Slavs have quite a bit of Asiatic genes, some even upwards of 10-20%. So if you are of Western European stock mixing with Slavs is a form of race-mixing, albeit not a particularly egregious form.
Also, recent genetic studies of Argentines show that many of them have substantial admixture with Asiatic Amerindians – http://racehist.blogspot.com/2009/08/latin-american-white.html
[Spare me the nitpicking about microscopic minutia that none of us will ever notice. If it looks white and talks white, it's white. - ed.]
JeffersonDavis:
Curiously, you are not in favor of getting rid of affirmative action for white women, who are its biggest beneficiaries, because they too in various government categories are classified as “minorities.†As one recent 2007 study notes
Don’t know why you assumed I’m in favor of AA for white women, maybe it fits your narrative. I’m against all AA, especially for women because I’m well aware of how they are benefiting from it at the expense of men, particularly in universities. But hey, that white guy who couldn’t get a scholarship or get into his school of choice because of AA gets to “cash the check” of his white wife!
You’re gonna have to come up with something better than this.
This is so dumb. Whenever a black American does something bad or looks bad, HBDopes say it’s because they are black. Whenever a black American does something good or looks good, they say “Durrr, it’s obviously the smattering of white genes responsible.” You can’t win with these retards
The biggest problem with white nationalism is that it’s trying to construct a pan-racial identity where there is none …
There is no formal pan-racial white identy, but it’s there solidly defacto. Roughly 100% of this blog’s white readers, and 100% of white american, even liberals, will not say “oh fuck” when they see another white moving into their neighborhood or show up to pick up their daughter for a date.
… and never has been.
US whites had never before been on thier way to being a minority in this country. The times are achanging.
[That's not for another four decades, and may not even happen (hint: linear demographic predictions are a scientific FAIL, and always have been.) - ed.]
The various ethnicities that make up America’s whites have been slitting each others’ throats since time immemorial.
No US-born American of Hungarian cares if his daughter is courted by a 3rd-generation Slovak-American. America readlly did become a melting pot of European nations, until 1965 on its way to forming a brand new white American ethnicity.
[Maybe not, but does he have any great love for the Slovak? Mere indifference isn't enough for unity.]
Individual nationalisms based on heritages (Irish-American, Italian-American, etc.) have a better shot at success than white nationalism. – ed.]
That’s now mostly anachronistic family-tree hobbyism and annual excuses to drink beer. Besides, a house divided…
Various Asian nationalities also don’t like one another, but this doesn’t stop them from forming a pan-Asian identity for the sake of collective identity and political muscle.
[Those grievance lobbies are unbelievably fragile and only held together with the help of the white man. If the U.S. ever collapsed, the Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans would go back to killing each other again.]
People who have an anti-white agenda like to nitpick “whiteness” and confuse the issue. Ah it’s too flawed a concept to categorize people as white and non-white.
It’s not a flawed concept when those same type of people want to bash the Tea Parties for being “too white”. Suddenly they don’t care who’s Ukranian, who’s Italian, who’s Swedish, and who’s of European mixture. Now they’re white enough to denigrate. Can’t have it both ways.
Another point on there never having been a formal white identity in the US: up until recently, white Americans did have an identity: American (with additional regional and sub-cultural variations). So calling themselves “Euro-American” or such would have been redundant, borderng on silly.
But all that has changed. In a diverse country, “American” is somewhat meaningless. What greater whole does a teenage boy of English, Celtic, German and Italian mixed-descent identify with? Indian immigrants, Chinese, Salvadorans, and unmentionable (shhh!) … whites?
No, he grows into a man without a country. Historically, that has been considered a tragic fate. He can’t even call himself a native American because there already now are Native Americans.
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My larger point is NOT to promote any political movements. As a normal, somewhat average citizen, that’s “not what I do.” I believe that things historically will take place as they are meant to.
My point, instead, is to do point at the forced hypocricy that accompanies a suppression of ethno/racial self-identification among certain Americans. No, as polite individuals we must never identify with our white identity. We say all the right thinhgs about how race doesn’t matter, how we should be judged as indiviuals, blah blah. But defacto, in our private lives, all of us, even liberals, behave no differently than a Grand Kleagle from Georgia when it comes to finding a place to live, people to socialize with, and approving suitors for our chilren.
PA is like the racist version of The Secret Life of Walter Mitty. :) lol
Some Walter Mitty! “fantacising” about feats of… eavesdropping on other peoples’ train conversations. :) lollzzlzlzz
Don’t get me wrong dude, I like you. The funny Walter Mitty aspect of your posts isn’t the eavesdropping. It’s that self-aggrandizing stuff you always seem to imagine observing.
It was probably just a regular conversation with absolutely none of the dynamics you claim you saw and then you just fantasized all the extra stuff. You give the immpression of walking around in this pro-white fantasy daydream all day, however it’s cool because it gives your posts an entertaining air. :D
I’m surprised you didn’t take it further and say all the women dropped to their knees and started begging to suck the white guys dicks while the black guys wept. That would have been good touch.
Reginald, have you read “The Misandry Bubble” by my blograde The Fifth Horseman? It’s a great primer on the myriad reasons why men aren’t getting married anymore, how they’re coping, and how the whole dystopia will be undone in ten years’ time. Seems like you’re already familiar with many of these issues.
link – ed.
Man, that was great stuff. Why hasn’t that Horseman guy updated since? That was epic. :)
PA–
I think before the mass immigration deluge of peasant and heavily Indio Mexicans and Central Americans, almost all way down the IQ and at the bottom of their country’s SES peoples at a time when we need brains to drive productivity, many or most Latin Americans could also melt well with Americans. You know, Argentians, Columbians, Cubans, most Brazilians certainly their upper quarter, and so on. Still happens but now when anyone says Latino the first thought is of a peasant stock heavily indio Mexican or Nicaraguan, whose male kids are often in gangs, and whose daughters tend to get real fat real fat by their late teens. Not Ricki Riccardo or hot Columbian babes (and a lot of them are, a whole lot).
Don’t get me wrong dude, I like you.
Well that’s a relief!
The funny Walter Mitty aspect of your posts isn’t the eavesdropping. It’s that self-aggrandizing stuff you always seem to imagine observing.
Observing objective reality and inferring things from said observation is self-aggradizement? I thought it’s just somethng non-retarded people do every day.
it’s cool because it gives your posts an entertaining air. :D
I aims to please.
I’m surprised you didn’t take it further and say all the women dropped to their knees and started begging to suck the white guys dicks while the black guys wept.
My writing that detail would have been a fabrication because it didn’t actually happen.
That would have been good touch.
You call it a nice touch, I call it unnecesary and heavyhanded.
Doug: I disagree with your point that we “need to import brains.” We have plenty of brains to run things. We need to import no one, except possibly attractive young womwn and Europeans in small numbers, and everyone else in TINY numbers.
PA
Yeah we’ve disagreed on that from the get go of discussing it, but I’m never too sure how great our disagreement really is. I’m not in favor of mass immigration of smart people either. (As an aside regression to the mean being what it is in interbreeding populations ie races and subraces usually, I give preference all things being equal to not just smart skilled individuals but ones who come from groups who tend to be that way. Which isn’t blacks. Subcontinental Indians are something of a special case because traditionally their castes weren’t supposed to be interbreeding at all and hence each caste or really regional one can and probably should be considered a separate sub race, which makes the average Indian national IQ, even if it is low 80s, not very important. In fact there was more intercaste marriage often covered by by lying about origins than admitted, but usually only to include someone unusually successful, so probably can be largely ignored.)
I do think some immigration of smart people of different races and cultures esp if not of way lower average intelligence is invigorating for our nation in a host of ways though, including culturally.
Basically to be honest there’s only one kind of intermarriage relevant to America that I’m against, provided the families are good with it and the child will identify with each cultural heritage in signficant part. I’m just fine w/east asian and smart group south Asian intermarriages. Don’t want them to swamp white people but they don’t seem to be. Non peasant heavily Indo latino white intermarriages including when there’s some indio but person largely identifies as spanish in origin seems just fine to me as well. A lot of hot columbians, and upper quarter Brazilians as well. Nope it’s just black white intermarriages among large groups in American that I’ve got some problem with and do want to culturally discourage, if not make illegal again. I’d probably feel the same about American white and aboriginal marriages unless the aboriginal percentage was way low, but that’s not an issue here is it. I could come up with other theoretical ones I wouldn’t like but they all have to do with way lower group iq which I’m convinced is largely genetic, excessive aggressiveness, and deeply ingrained cultural hostility to whites generally, all of which black in America have, for the most part. And you marry a family and live in a community. Your kids or grandkids will live in the black community in america. So no. Shame it, far as I’m concerned. And shame girls that go that way experimentally as well. And refuse to marry them or live with them or LTR with them as poor risks.
The problem with race mixing is that it eventually leads to the death of all higher culture as the people who formed the high culture are replaced. What is happening in the USA today is similar to what happened in the Roman Empire — an influx of workers, settlers, immigrants, etc from lower-tier nations and races slowly replace the founding stock which originally made the nation or empire successful. Similarly, in ancient Greece the worker-slaves brought in from Turkey and the Levant slowly replaced the people who founded the various Greek city-states, and thus Greece declined.
Look at the most racially mixed parts of the world and nearly all of them are cultural wastelands – much of the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, nearly all of Latin America, and so on. Do you want the USA to become just another Brazil?
[The USA is not race mixing, unless you're a purist who regards everyone who isn't a blonde, blue-eyed northern European as untermenschen. Look up interracial marriage stats if you don't believe me. - ed.]
Ferdinand–
Well the way to insure that it’s non linear from the last 20 years is to actually STOP illegal immigration, and deport most of our existing illegals as well, thus greatly lowering the unemployment rate and raising wages at lower levels at the same time.
And reducing current and future democratic votes, whence comes much of the resistence to this idea, plus Jews hugely influential in the media aversion to any real immigration control, so that the gates to Israel remain open in case among other things, many others, and some employers not so large in number but large in lobbying money, who want the illegals too.
It was probably just a regular conversation with absolutely none of the dynamics you claim you saw and then you just fantasized all the extra stuff. You give the immpression of walking around in this pro-white fantasy daydream all day, however it’s cool because it gives your posts an entertaining air. :D
With the advent of the internet some of these guys have been marinading in racialism for over ten years, so it’s not surprising some of them read the racial angle into absolutely everything. Then, like some feminist or gay studies ‘scholars,’ they go on to claim it is the overriding element in everything they observe.
In the eavesdropping example mentioned, PA simply needs to be reminded that in this world there are ‘shy guys’ and there are ‘loud mouths.’ With over 300 million people in America, yes, you will occasionally stumble across a group composed of five white guys and three blacks in which the whites are the more extroverted. Rocket science this ain’t.
Look at the most racially mixed parts of the world and nearly all of them are cultural wastelands – much of the Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, nearly all of Latin America, and so on. Do you want the USA to become just another Brazil?
In what sense do you mean ‘cultural wasteland’? Just what is so ‘cultured’ about America that everywhere else is a relative ‘wasteland’? Are you’re sure you’re not conflating ‘high culture’ with education and economic development?
In my opinion, most of this ‘high culture’ stuff can only be seen in the rear-view mirror of our imagination. Dickens’ London was ‘high-cultured,’ I suppose, but what of the teeming vagabonds and ruffians who’d slit your throat for a shilling?
Let’s get specific. What exactly are we talking about? In my opinion, it’s the architecture, the forms of dress and the forms of address that are implied by those who complain about the dearth of high culture (whose own familiarity with real high culture, I suspect, would not often withstand close scrutiny). Most of modern architecture is an eyesore, and when it isn’t can’t really compare to the magnificence of what it is replacing; modern forms of dress are degenerate in the extreme; likewise modern forms of address — overly familiar, ostentatiously trashy and often mindlessly hostile.
“The problem with polygamy is that it locks most men – usually poorer and younger men – out of the sexual marketplace. It solves one problem and creates another. How do you plan to deal with all those lonely, unsexed, testosterone-fueled young guys running around?”
35% of White Men over 20 are already unmarried. As long as Polygamy had reasonable constraints on it that number wouldn’t go up by very much. Really there isn’t a need for all that high a percentage of Women to be in Polygamous marriages for profound good to come from it.
And in the vast majority of societies the number of Men capable of maintaining multiple wives will be small relative to the size of the overall population. If we look at the Islamic World many of the marriages are monogamous, and I haven’t seen any evidence that the percentage of Men who are unmarried is much higher in the typical Islamic Country than in America today.
“How do you plan to deal with all those lonely, unsexed, testosterone-fueled young guys running around?”
If they break the law, they will get the proscribed penalty. Otherwise they will be left alone to do whatever they want, except plot to launch a violent revolution.
This technique works perfectly well in the Islamic World, even in the Countries that haven’t had wars for a very long time.
“For the longest time, the West functioned just fine with monogamy, because it kept the birthrate up while ensuring social stability.”
For an even longer time the West functioned just fine with Polygamy.
As late as Homer, one of the greatest poets of all time and the product of a society at least on the intellectual level of any White society that came after, Polygamy was perfectly legal in Hellas.
It was only after Polygamy became outlawed that one of the greatest races of all time went to hell, and declined into insignificance and centuries of obscurity.
Monogamy is a very sensitive thing, only under carefully maintained social and legal conditions can it keep the birthrate up. For an unusually long time we managed to keep those conditions in place in the Christianized West.
But all things built on a delicate foundation will come to an end, as we see before our very eyes.
As “The Misandry Bubble” put it:
“Simple logic of supply and demand tells us that the institution of monogamous marriage requires at least 80% male participation in order to be viable.”
We are not quite past saving Monogamous Marriage, from the standpoint of what is physically possible. However, anyone who looks into the hearts of Westerners and thinks they see people willing to make the sacrifices necessary to change the system enough that it could be saved, is not a good judge of character.
“Reginald, have you read “The Misandry Bubble” by my blograde The Fifth Horseman?â€
Yes I have, and he made some interesting points. , The parts about what’s driving Men away from marriage are spot on, and I especially think his point about delayed marriage patterns making marriage far less attractive to Men hit the nail on the head.
Another part I really liked was this quote, which really gets at the heart of what‘s wrong with society these days:
“For one thing, the wedding itself has gone from a solemn event attended only by close family and friends, to an extravaganza of conspicuous consumption for the enjoyment of women but financed by the hapless man. The wedding ring itself used to be a family heirloom passed down over generations, but now, the bride thumbs through a catalog that shows her rings that the man is expected to spend two months of his salary to buy. This presumption that somehow the woman is to be indulged for entering marriage is a complete reversal of centuries-old traditions grounded in biological realities (and evidence of how American men have become weak pushovers).â€
That’s it: We have decided to reject biological realities, we’ve decided to reject traditions that acknowledge biological realities, and our Men have lost the ability to put up a fight even when it would benefit both him and his prospective Bride.
You don’t do your soon to be Wife any good by letting her weaken your financial position just for the sake of one orgy of feminine excess (not to mention how insulting this excess is to the solemnity of the occasion).
This shows that it can’t be generosity that explains this, not even a hugely misplaced form of generosity, but rather pure weakness and an inability to assert logic in the face of proposed emotionalist folly. And the thing is that feeding and indulging the materialist side of your Wife is not going to work, it isn’t going to have an appeasing effect.
It’s just going to let that side of her take over her mind, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it doesn’t greatly increase the chance that the Woman you marry in such a garish ceremony will turn around and divorce you for the money.
After all, you’ve given her the idea that you’re just an ATM machine without any opinions or thoughts of your own that you’re willing to stand up for.
But this was even more important:
“But most importantly, ‘feminists’ devalued the traditional areas of female expertise (raising the next generation of citizens), while attaching value only to areas of male expertise (the boardroom, the military, sexual promiscuity) and told women to go duplicate male results under the premise that this was inherently better than traditional female functions. Telling women that emulating their mothers and grandmothers is less valuable than mimicking men sounds quite misogynistic to me, and unsurprisingly, despite all these ‘freedoms’, women are more unhappy than ever after being inflicted with such misogyny.â€
The thing is that EVERY time, Feminists promoted Women doing the more Male thing over doing the more Female thing. (It makes you wonder if they don’t hate themselves when you get down to it.)
It’s not just that they said: “Some Women are more interested in careers than raising children, and we should accommodate them.â€
They actually went so far as to hold up the female outlier as the female ideal, and therefore effectively dumped on how the vast majority of Women in Human History lived their lives.
And what they really don’t understand is the concept of specialization of labor. Men are better at fighting in wars than Women, so why should we waste Women’s time on their being soldiers when there are other things they could do far better?
And it might not be so bad if they let Women into the military only when they passed the exact same physical standards Men did, but of course thanks to the Feminists this most assuredly is not the case.
Another example is Housework. There’s a real madness in the idea that Men should do 50% of the Housework, even though Nature has fitted them with far less interest or proficiency in these arts than Women have.
One of the elemental advantages of a Man living with a Woman, one of the elemental advantages of marriage, is that she can concentrate more on keeping house and having/watching the children, while the Man concentrates more on his career.
This is so much more efficient that it isn’t even funny.
The WN’s are nuts. They don’t even use the term “Aryan” correctly. They are not Aryans. Europeans are not Aryans. Aryans are found in South Asia, and to a lesser extent in Central Asia. The Taliban are Aryans. So are the Iranians. Don’t take my word for it, go check an anthropology book.
Hey You said “Similarly, in ancient Greece the worker-slaves brought in from Turkey and the Levant slowly replaced the people who founded the various Greek city-states, and thus Greece declined.”
Yes, that is true.
The Spartans brought in ‘helots’ (agricultural worker-slaves) to do all of their basic farm work and other manual labor; eventually the helots had far more children than the Spartans, and the Spartans became a minority in their own territory. The Spartans were of European extraction while the helots were mostly Semitic/Levantine and Turkish as the commenter said. – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helots
The helots eventually staged many revolts, threatening the sociopolitical order; but the main factor in Greek decline was that the populations they brought in to do their manual labor drudgery eventually out-bred the host population who formed the high culture, so eventually that high culture fell.
In the USA, you saw the same thing happen in the decades after the Civil War wherein the Black-African slaves became the majority of the population in some Southern states (Mississippi, South Carolina, etc). The same thing occurred in Ancient Rome and many other empires.
So the lesson of all this is not to allow the people (usually non-Whites) brought in to do manual labor eventually out-breed the native (White) population. This is obviously happening in the modern USA, with Whites expected to become less than 50% of the population by about 2050. In California White people are already a minority — over the last few decades they were out-bred by the Hispanic serfs they brought in to do their dirty-work: this is pattern which threatens to occur all over North America…Whites being out-bred by the non-Whites they bring to clean their homes, serve them food, make them coffee, work in their farms and factories, run their cash registers, etc.
“There are many reasons why I’m not a white nationalist (despite having sympathy for some of their ideas), the near-mandatory manginaness that comes with being one is in my top five.”
It wasn’t something I was particularly aware of, as WN types have about as much real estate in my consciousness as the flat earth society, but the comments to my article certainly gave me pause for reflection on that matter. Personally, I was hoping for outraged letters to the editor from readers of Bust or Jezebel magazine. Little did I suspect that the same movement which spawned F. Roger Devlin would have so little understanding of what is going on with women in our society. They’re hardly selling me or any other sane person on their cause with that sort of nonsense.
As for the women, WN, liberal or conservative; white, black, yellow or paisley, American women almost universally incredibly unpleasant people to be avoided at all costs. Conservative American women I have known have tended to be even less feminine and pleasant than the liberal ones. While I find Ann Coulter occasionally hilarious, I no more want to date or, god help me, be shacked up with someone like her than I would with a dude.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag1EbxYKh_4
Ancient Greece was so wildly dysfunctional as a civilization I can’t believe it is being help up as an example of anything. The founders of those Greek city-states declined because of two key factors.
One, that the concept of a city-state is fucking retarded and was held onto as a geopolitical institution even after the whole of Greece was conquered by Alexander highlighting how defunct the whole thing was. Of course, after Alexander’s death they simply went back to the way things hadn’t been working before he came.
Two, the city-states hated and feared each other and Greek killed Greek and focused on sustaining what was instead of building for the future; until finally nationhood was foisted on them by outside forces (as it had been under Alexander, a non-Greek). The ‘fall of Greece’ never happened for any reason because there never was a Greece before it fell.
The individual city-states fell for various reasons, but mostly because they were too stupid to govern themselves properly and adhered to braindead esoteric political philosophies that allowed things like women to own property and be given all the rights that their men had to earn through military service because the Spartans were egalitarian utopians that believed women could be raised as men and therefor would act as part of the Spartan brotherhood.
Oh, and Spartans weren’t even Greek and didn’t consider themselves such. Spartans did in fact consider their Helots so. Athenian writers, ashamed of the the way Dorians treated other Hellenes, and how they generally considered the Greeks untermenschen was expiated by simply swapping terminology and recording Dorians as Hellenes and Helots as non-Hellenes. The Dorians didn’t need to import massive numbers of Turks and Semites, since they conquered soil that was already overflowing with Greeks.
What’s more is the topography of the land prevents this massive influx of Levantine, Semites and Turks. Even the geopolitical borders don’t allow this, since they would had to have marched through enemy territory from the Southwest of Greece to the Northeast, through Athens, to reach these non-Greek peoples. Spartans never had naval supremacy and were not a seafaring people, and probably would have had their asses kicked by other Meditaranean powers, just like they did by the Athenians (at sea anyway). This massive influx of Helots from abroad did not happen. The section of Greece you are talking about is still probably the ‘whitest’ part of Greece today. If it was absolutely overrun by Semites and Turks where did they go between ~150BC and today?
Good comment, Kyle. Greek history has been grossly misinterpreted by WNs who try to make eveything into black vs white. The Greeks are actually descended from people who migrated there from Asia Minor during the Neolithic, long before the classical period. There is little if any racial difference between Greeks and their neighbors in southwest Asia.
“It wasn’t something I was particularly aware of, as WN types have about as much real estate in my consciousness as the flat earth society”
Then why did you write an article for AltRight, a site that’s approvingly linked to Occidental Dissent and which has published Arch-White Nationalist Kevin MacDonald?
I really think you are lying in an attempt to “zing†White Nationalists. You may be self-centered and stupid, but you aren’t so self-centered and stupid that you didn’t even research a group anyone would’ve know would be a primary audience of your article.
“They’re hardly selling me or any other sane person on their cause with that sort of nonsense.â€
Implying that White Nationalists are not sane is what Liberals do.
No wonder you favor Open Borders!
Why don’t you go run off on a vacation with your ideological ally Barack Obama and find yourself some nice Luo females to make your existence more pleasant? (Please don’t come back though, at least not with the Luos.)
“Little did I suspect that the same movement which spawned F. Roger Devlin would have so little understanding of what is going on with women in our society.â€
Most of the comments were perfectly reasonable, and acknowledged the general decline of American Women in terms of their manners and some other traits.
I even brought up a profoundly important area where American Women have declined compared to their ancestresses (chastity) that you were too negligent to even bother mentioning.
“As for the women, WN, liberal or conservative; white, black, yellow or paisley, American women almost universally incredibly unpleasant people to be avoided at all costs.â€
Do you realize that “pleasure†is a subjective state of consciousness? Your personal feelings prove nothing about whether there are Men who have gotten pleasure from being around American Women.
I mean, it would be like I said a movie I didn’t like was incredibly unpleasant and was to be avoided at all costs, completely ignoring the for all I know people different than me in some relevant way could actually be going to the movie and finding it pleasurable.
And if such people exist, what reason is there that my lack of pleasure should be given precedence over their pleasure?
The fact of the matter is that the marriage rate is LOWER in Europe than in America.
This indicates that American Women have something going for them relative to European Women that other Men can better appreciate than you do.
“Conservative American women I have known have tended to be even less feminine and pleasant than the liberal ones.â€
Well, the personal experience of someone so stupid that he knows nothing of the White Nationalist movement in spite of his intellectual collaboration with a White Nationalism friendly magazine must be given precedence!
“While I find Ann Coulter occasionally hilarious, I no more want to date or, god help me, be shacked up with someone like her than I would with a dude.â€
Wait. Are you saying Ann Coulter isn’t a dude?
Anyway, Coulter is from the VERY Blue State of Connecticut. When people talk about “Conservative†Women, they usually mean they came from a Conservative part of the Country. Coulter may have relatively conservative political views, but that doesn’t change that she’s actually the product of a subculture that is more Liberal than the norm for America.
Plus, picking someone like Ann Coulter who was selected for success in the Male Oriented field of Political Hectoring for your example of the typical “Conservative Woman†is crazy.
In addition, Coulter is childless at the age of 49, and being childless at that age is correlated with an American Woman being far less feminine than average.
Also there’s the issue that OF COURSE you don’t want to date someone who is way too old for any normal Man to find sexually interesting.
I forgot to mention that Ann Coulter is a product of the Female Lawyer subculture.
The Female Lawyer subculture is FAR more masculine than the American Female norm.
To assess the level of Masculinity in American Women based on a Female Lawyer, would be like assessing the level of Femininity in American Men based on video you shot at the “Flaming Homo Nancy Boy” nightclub!
This is a pattern with you, Locklin, you pick American Women from highly unusually masculine subcultures and then use them to tar American Women in general.
I seem to recall you even resorted to including a picture of Sandra Berhardt in your article!!
She’s a LESBIAN, in case you didn’t know.
I bet a good percentage of the dykes in any Country are pretty freaking Masculine…
And a 55 year old Lesbian/Bisexual at that.
Once a Woman is past menopause, the hormones that made her feminine wither away.
This explains why even old Russian Women are hardly my idea of Women I’d like to go on a date with.
Hey Reginald: are you an American woman? You sure complain like one!
Scott,
Actually, most of the greatest complainers in American History were Men.
When the Liberals in the 1960′s started a process of destroying this Country, who stood up and complaining long and hard about it?
The Man George Wallace.
But leaving this interesting and undeniable point aside, I am of the same sex that Mr. Wallace was.
Kyle–
the notion that Greek civilization was largely ended with Alexander’s conquest of Athens and the other city states in the 4th century bc is pure misleading liberal British schoolmaster and Uni greek wonk bullshite, never quite stated like that by anyone knowledgeable. All that ended was Greek democracy. Which turned out to not actually be very important for Greek civilization, which actually had it’s highest overally flowering, and certainly in maths and the sciences, but importantly in the arts, over the next several centuries in the Greek lead post Alexandrian near middle east (Alexander’s conquest of the whole greek and middle eastern world divided into a few empires and parcelled out to his best leader generals on his death.) The center of the Greek world that gave us e.g. Euclid and the basic and intermediate geometry we still use today, and all kinds of inventions, was the Ptolemaic Greek city of Alexandria, on the Mediterranean, near the mouth of the Nile, w/ a canal between. A couple of other middle eastern Greek city states also became more important for greek culture than Athens, though Athens did retain importance.
the Eastern roman Empire, which began to be established by Rome’s conquest of Greece and then Egypt and then Syria and Palestine what’s now Turkey spoke Greek and had Greek culture, and after Constantine in the mid 4th century AD, was more important than Rome and the Western empire. It lived on (Catholic Europe came to call it Byzantium by the Middle Ages on) though slowly declining after the rise of Islam and their conquests, until the 13th century, and was Greco Roman to the end, more Greco than Roman.
I learned Russian when I was 19 to 21 in order to emigrate to Russia permanently, and because I didn’t like American girls. This was way back in 1990. I saw what my mom did to my dad and said, “the hell with that.”
Anyone wants to learn Russian and has a work ethic, get in touch. With Pimsleur Russian and Skype I could have you speaking enough Russian to get laid on that basis alone, if you live in an area with Russian immigrant females.
There’s something about an American dude being able to speak extensively and intelligently in their native tongue, that drives them nuts. I think it’s the “cute accent” and the fact that, even though they are in your country, you respected them enough to learn their language.
[That's true about foreign women in general. During my short stay in Montreal, knowing French gave me a rapport with the locals. My skills have atrophied since moving back to the States, but Rosetta Stone can always get me back up to speed. - ed.]
I could write a book on being married to a Russian woman. They run a tight ship. The trick to a successful marriage with a Russian woman is to assume all the male roles, which includes managing the money. If you think managing the money is “distaff,” you will have a miserable marriage. Managing the money is the man’s job. If you let the woman do it, she’s going to constantly worry you with, “we don’t have enough money!”
You have to tell the woman, “Don’t pour your endless worries on me. Tell it to your friends.”
For the Russian woman, it’s natural to constantly worry. But when she puts her worries on an American guy, the American guy tries to solve the problem. It’s like having someone push the panic button on your shoulder ten times a day for no good reason. Constant stimulation of the fight or flight response.
That’s why Russian guys drink. And when the Russian woman yells at him for a series of inadequacies, “pyanitsa! Bezdyelnik! Oy, nee govori, shto ya za toboy zamuzhem vishla? Davai razvod.”
Of course it doesn’t mean shit. The Russian woman is actually joking. That’s just what see says. The American guy thinks she’s serious.
Then I saw a Russian movie and I saw a Russian wife screaming the same things at the Russian man, that I’d heard a thousand times. The Russian man didn’t take it seriously. Ah ha! It was like a revelation from God. She’s only joking! Or bluffing, and enjoying her power over me.
And then I realized that all these years, I’d allowed her to manage the money, which had a huge psychic cost for her. All her self esteem and hope for the future was based on the numbers in a bank account. I needed to assume this role because I have an indifferent Buddhist attitude to money. It’s not worth getting upset over lack or money, or excited over a surfeit of it.
So I took over several of these roles, and I told her that she cannot put her worries on me at all. And it’s so much better.
And I am convinced that you must train a woman early, not to pester you with her petty worries. Her friends are better equipped to hear about it. So many marriages fail because a woman views her husband in a role that properly belongs to her girlfriends; she sees him as someone to walk up to and pour her worries on him and demand answers, as though her husband was a Maytag service technician, and he wasn’t making her appliances do exactly what she wanted them to do.
You must make all the decisions from day one. You manage the money, you decide what color the house is, you decide what can be afforded and what cannot. You keep her in a childlike innocence and always tell her not to worry but think happy thoughts. That will delay wrinkles and heart disease for both of you.
[This is a great comment, Kievsky. Might I suggest re-posting it at Occidental Dissent?]
There’s something about an American dude being able to speak extensively and intelligently in their native tongue, that drives them nuts. I think it’s the “cute accent†and the fact that, even though they are in your country, you respected them enough to learn their language.
Interestingly enough, if the language is Polish, there won’t be a “cute accent” reaction, only a “you respected them enough to learn their language” reaction. The reason: Polish spoken by a foreigner, ESPECIALLY a reasonably fluent foreigner, sounds like the speech of a retarded person.
Literally, a tard. Foreign non-Slavic speakers of Polish sound like mentally retarded native Poles. I think it has to do with a particular crispness of Polish speech, its shads of nuance in the pronounciation of consonants. Serbo-Croatioan is similar in its crispness.
It’s like the inverse of American English pronounciation, where it’s the vowels with their nuanced dipthongs that bewilder a foreigner.
Russian is more melodious and I think more forgiving in this regard, so there’s probably more of a “cute accent” thing possible there.
And yeah, I agree that’s a great comment.
Thanks Doug, although I assure you I don’t know any British schoolmasters and am not a Uni Greek wonk, I do know what I’m talking about.
I didn’t state that Greece fell with the conquest of Alexander. Quite the opposite; it was offered a brief respite from it’s baseline cultural retardation. Alexander offered a broader Hellenic identity for his entire Empire and he proved the inefficacies of their Polis model of parceling out land and squabbling with your immediate neighbors.
Of course after his death, what did they do? The abandoned what he built and what was proven to work in favor for what was being written by true to life Greek wonks.
Yes, the Eastern Empire flourished, in large part by importing Roman governors initially and then raising up northern ‘barbarians’ to rule over occupied Greece as well. They obviously knew that the Greeks were not competent to be put in charge of their own land without parcelling it back out into City-States.
Thanks for also pointing out that the Middle East is heavily Hellenized. Likewise also organized into dysfunctional City-States that only know where the borders to their countries lie because the British drew those lines on the map for them.
Also the comments were about Greek Civilization, not Greek culture. A civilization in any sensical denotation relates to a society, characterized by a common region or people that share a common infrastucture. This common region, and people with a shared infrastucture does not apply to so-called Greek City-States that are not actually populated by Greeks and are not even in Greece. All of which already existed in a state of civilization before the Greeks got there anyway.
Russian melodious? It’s the most robotic language I’ve ever heard. Serbo-Croatian and (to a lesser extent) Bulgarian are the melodious of the Slavic tongues, I find.
And when the Russian woman yells at him for a series of inadequacies, “pyanitsa! Bezdyelnik! Oy, nee govori, shto ya za toboy zamuzhem vishla? Davai razvod.â€
I don’t speak Russian but I find it easy to picture that being exclaimed. The Slavic world shares this tendency to put-on hysterical overreaction with the third world, which is just another reason they were (correctly, imo) perceived as oafish and inferior by westerners.
“Once you go Quebecois, for instance, going back is like having your fingernails.”
Ferdinand, I enjoy your blog, I read it frequently and I wholeheartedly agree with nearly everything you write. However, and I hate to burst your bubble, this meme you occasionally push about the wonders of Quebec girls is demonstrably false. I know because I’m 23 and I’ve lived just 20 minutes off the island of Montreal my entire life. And as much as I’d love to brag about the quality of our women and how much better off we are here, I’m afraid there really isn’t much to brag about. Quite frankly, from what I’ve seen, the only difference between us and the rest of the continent is that the average beauty quotient is probably 1 point higher here on a 10 point scale than it is elsewhere. This applies to the guys as well. Obesity is also not as prevalent here (but make no mistake, it is becoming a serious problem), but that can be said for the rest of the country as well. Granted, that is hardly an insignificant difference, but the point is, not unlike anywhere else, without either something special going for you (fame, fortune, extraordinary good looks, etc) or solid alpha male asshole game, you’re just as dead in the water here as you are anywhere else. Believe me, hot girls here aren’t exactly fighting over good, stable provider types. The alpha cock carousel is running at maximum power.
If you won’t take my word for it, there’s a large body of anecdotal evidence that seems to support this view. For example, a popular french forum I occasionally visit (and this isn’t a forum filled with social misfits like us, but mr/mrs everybody) has yielded numerous threads about the ultra feminization of the province and its negative consequences, about how increasingly disillusioned men are with our society, etc. Although I have neither the time nor the inclination right now to dig for sources, Quebec is also notorious for having high unemployment rates and high drop out rates amongst males. The divorce rate is allegedly no better. Neither are the birth or marriage rates. And heck, a couple of years ago I believe, two authors even released a book called “Les Québécois ne veulent plus draguer et encore moins séduire” (translation: Quebecers no longer want to flirt, much less seduce) to describe the apparent difficult relationship men have with women here.
I could go on. But by virtually any measure, male/female relationships are as broken here as they are anywhere else, and the utopia you describe doesn’t seem to have any legs to stand on.
I know you’ve visited the province a number of times, but have you had a chance to live here for an extended period of time? If so, where/when, and what was your experience like exactly?
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