Joe Stack, the age of the wayward rebel, and other notes on the news

by Ferdinand Bardamu on February 19, 2010

in Revolution

To me, the most terrifying thing about the Joe Stack affair isn’t that another manifesto-writing rage killer made a suicide attack on a government building that wounded over a dozen people. It’s the fact that I agree with about 95 percent of what he had to say. That’s right – I have very little quarrel with what Stack wrote on his website before he got in his plane and rode into history. How can I disagree with statements like this:

We are all taught as children that without laws there would be no society, only anarchy.  Sadly, starting at early ages we in this country have been brainwashed to believe that, in return for our dedication and service, our government stands for justice for all.  We are further brainwashed to believe that there is freedom in this place, and that we should be ready to lay our lives down for the noble principals represented by its founding fathers.  Remember? One of these was “no taxation without representation”.  I have spent the total years of my adulthood unlearning that crap from only a few years of my childhood.  These days anyone who really stands up for that principal is promptly labeled a “crackpot”, traitor and worse.

Why is it that a handful of thugs and plunderers can commit unthinkable atrocities (and in the case of the GM executives, for scores of years) and when it’s time for their gravy train to crash under the weight of their gluttony and overwhelming stupidity, the force of the full federal government has no difficulty coming to their aid within days if not hours? Yet at the same time, the joke we call the American medical system, including the drug and insurance companies, are murdering tens of thousands of people a year and stealing from the corpses and victims they cripple, and this country’s leaders don’t see this as important as bailing out a few of their vile, rich cronies. Yet, the political “representatives” (thieves, liars, and self-serving scumbags is far more accurate) have endless time to sit around for year after year and debate the state of the “terrible health care problem”. It’s clear they see no crisis as long as the dead people don’t get in the way of their corporate profits rolling in.

During 1987, I spent close to $5000 of my ‘pocket change’, and at least 1000 hours of my time writing, printing, and mailing to any senator, congressman, governor, or slug that might listen; none did, and they universally treated me as if I was wasting their time.  I spent countless hours on the L.A. freeways driving to meetings and any and all of the disorganized professional groups who were attempting to mount a campaign against this atrocity.  This, only to discover that our efforts were being easily derailed by a few moles from the brokers who were just beginning to enjoy the windfall from the new declaration of their “freedom”.  Oh, and don’t forget, for all of the time I was spending on this, I was loosing income that I couldn’t bill clients.

After months of struggling it had clearly gotten to be a futile exercise.  The best we could get for all of our trouble is a pronouncement from an IRS mouthpiece that they weren’t going to enforce that provision (read harass engineers and scientists).  This immediately proved to be a lie, and the mere existence of the regulation began to have its impact on my bottom line; this, of course, was the intended effect.

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the “great” depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything.  Isn’t it ironic how far we’ve come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn’t have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it’s “business-as-usual”.  Now when the wealthy fuck up, the poor get to die for the mistakes… isn’t that a clever, tidy solution.

As government agencies go, the FAA is often justifiably referred to as a tombstone agency, though they are hardly alone.  The recent presidential puppet GW Bush and his cronies in their eight years certainly reinforced for all of us that this criticism rings equally true for all of the government.  Nothing changes unless there is a body count (unless it is in the interest of the wealthy sows at the government trough).  In a government full of hypocrites from top to bottom, life is as cheap as their lies and their self-serving laws.

You really should read the whole thing. It’s the most lucid, sensible essay written by a “madman” since Pekka-Eric Auvinen shot up that high school in Finland. You cannot read Stack’s words and honestly claim that he was insane. His actions were abhorrent, but his motivations were one hundred percent just and moral. He truly was a wayward rebel.

The usual suspects are going to try to write this off as the act of a mad loner, which is beyond laughable. Joe Stack was not an autistic loser. He wasn’t a asocial, sexually frustrated nitwit. He was a normal man with a normal job and a family. The only difference was that unlike most normal people, he got mad as hell and decided he wasn’t going to take it any more. Anyone who tries to claim he was nuts has proven that they are either completely clueless or morally bankrupt.

And Joe Stack will not be the last man to strike a blow against the system. Everyone knows that the government and Wall Street are colluding to rob the rest of us of every penny we have and laugh as we starve to death in the streets. Both political parties are in on the scam, as evidenced by the fact that the throne passed from Bush to Obama and not one damn thing changed. If the fat cats won’t curtail their avarice, their serfs will curtail it for them by murdering them in the public square to the delightful screams of the crowds. It’s already happening in Greece.

If President Obama doesn’t want the land of the free and the home of the brave to be engulfed in a wall of flame, he needs to start prosecuting every banker who defrauded the American people. Forget about bailouts – they should be given one-way tickets to the electric chair if found guilty. Bernie Madoff, the greatest criminal of the twenty-first century so far, should be taken out of his comfy cell and given a public hanging in Times Square, with his bloated, disgusting corpse used as a pinata afterwards by the people he swindled. Obama should be taking his cues from the Chinese, who have no qualms about executing white-collar criminals who threaten social stability. Of course, he probably won’t, considering he’s in on the whole thing.

I write these words not as a threat but as a warning. You can only beat a man so many times before he rises up to punch you in the face – and the American people have been flogged across the back too much by the elites. Even if there isn’t a full-scale revolt, people will still react by slowly disengaging from society politically, economically, and in other ways. Either way, the current system cannot last. The West is on its way out, and from the looks of things, not many people will mourn its passing.

Other views on the incident, from Talleyrand:

…with 20% of the able bodied male population out of work, with a good number of them feeling exiled from the sexual market place.  With despair seeping into their lives, I expect that more of this is going to happen.

A lot more.

Weekly.  Maybe even daily.

Silas Reinagel:

Today’s events are but a harbinger of what lies ahead. Having forsaken that end and those principles which were original set forth as the aims of the American experiment, there is a spirit of unrest in the air that is palpable. Revolution is not yet upon us, but perhaps it is not nearly as distant as some might think. Already I know of many who discuss their desire for anarchy rather than the present form of government. Some friends of mine are beginning to purchase weapons and train themselves in the use thereof. Another friend of mine, a philosopher, often asks how different people in our social circle would respond to revolution. As Thomas Jefferson prophetically declared: “The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.” On this day we see that one man has spilt his blood for the sake of liberty. The yearning for freedom is something that is reawakening in the hearts of many, and there is little doubt that unless the government lessens its tyrannical grip on its citizens, there will be blood. We have nearly completed a full circuit in returning to many of the opinions and ideals espoused by the Founding Fathers at the birth of our nation. Either America must be politically cleansed and reborn, or it shall fall and be replaced. There is no other alternative.

Half Sigma:

I guess you can call [the manifesto] “producerist,” Which means that it will baffle liberals, because they find it hard to understand how someone who’s not a liberal can hate corporations more than liberals do.

And finally, Vox Day:

There is something deeply sick about a society that manages to transform intelligent, successful, productive members of society into felons and murderous suicides. The irony is that the more a man genuinely believes in justice and law, the more he truly believes that America is the Land of the Free, the more shattered he is when he is forced to confront the reality that the entire legal system is a facade designed to conceal the complete absence of justice and rule of law in American society.

Would you pay this woman to give you a handjob?

Well, you won’t get the opportunity, because she and four others have been jailed for the crime of giving dejected and tired men a little manual pleasure:

COLONIE– Five women who worked at two storefront massage parlors in the town face prostitution-related charges, including workers at Jasmine Beauty & Massage on Central Avenue, which was busted on similar charges three months ago.

“I don’t think Colonie is a hotbed for this type of thing, but we have to keep an eye on it or it can keep popping up,” said Colonie Police Lt. Robert Winn.

The other operation targeted during Tuesday’s undercover operation between Colonie police and the Albany County Sheriff’s Department was Red Rose Massage Parlor, 644 Loudon Road, located in a strip mall on Route 9.

The women, ranging in age from 47 to 54, offered “additional manual stimulation” to undercover officers for $40 on top of the $65 fee for a one-hour massage, Winn said. Most of the customers appeared to pay for the services by credit or debit cards.

Can anyone please tell me what these women did that was sooooo wrong? Our society is so morally debased it’s not like letting old Chinese ladies jerk dudes off for cash will somehow destroy the social fabric, and since it’s just handjobs, the moral orels can’t play the bogus public health card. I can imagine the type of man these girls dealt with – a middle-aged cubicle jockey who works a dead-end state job, with three kids, two ulcers, and a bitchy, nagging wife who blew up like the Michelin Man after saying “I do.” A guy who would have killed himself if it weren’t for the bottle of Jim Beam he keeps in his pantry to dull the pain of existence. That weekly happy ending from the kindly Asian lady with the small, fast hands and goofy way of pronouncing “Hello!” was the only joy he had in life, and now it’s gone.

Make no mistake, the war on prostitution is nothing more than the state’s attempt to artificially prop up women’s sexual market value. It goes hand in hand with IMBRA and other laws to restrict the supply of pussy. The silver lining here is that the war will soon end.

I’m not a huge fan of video games – they’re overpriced time-sucks that haven’t advanced literarily for about a decade. However, I’ve been playing Mass Effect 2 and loving it so far. Some hipster lameass who writes for Vice Magazine penned a pretty good review of the game, but I stopped dead when I got to this complaint he had about it:

The game’s biggest problem as I see it is this: Lack of gay romance options.

Because the player can choose so much of Shepard’s characterization—gender, appearance, history, attitude, aptitudes—the game encourages the player to identify strongly with their version of Shepard. I am not Tsuriko Shepard at all, but as a character I feel like she spontaneously assembled herself from parts presented to me. I have spoken to at least two gay people who, while playing ME2, have expressed frustration because in their own minds, the Shepard they created, and the Shepard they play, is gay—this may or may not be a choice they made, but only the result of the character assembling himself organically in their heads—only the game doesn’t present them the option to express this. It wouldn’t be a problem, except the game gives them the option to express almost every other element of the Shepard-personality they create. It’s an oversight.

Doofus McClueless quotes BioWare head honcho Ray Muzyka’s explanation as to why there are no gay “romance options” in the game, but the idiot is incapable of reading between the lines and figuring out the real reason: nobody wants to see two men getting it on. To those unaware, Mass Effect’s (and presumably Mass Effect 2′s, I haven’t gotten that far) relationship subplots end with Commander Shepard and his/her paramour having sex in the captain’s quarters. Since video games are marketed at straight men, and since straight men usually don’t like to watch two guys lubing up with Crisco and making the beast with two backs, it follows that no mass-marketed video game would feature homo sex. (Lesbian sex, on the other hand, is perfectly kosher. Yes, it’s a double standard. Get over it.)

Look for Mass Effect 2 to get the full In Mala Fide treatment when I finally get around to beating it.

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1 Mike T February 19, 2010 at 7:30 am

For the time being, I expect this will be an isolated incident. Not enough people have lost everything yet for people to begin to realize that this is a systemic crisis. I have maintained for a while that our wealth and leisure is a facade for the true loss of liberty, and I think that that will be proved correct in a few years when a significant number of Americans are still unemployed or underemployed.

I have maintained for a while that the popular libertarian belief that wealth is a form of freedom, while technically true, is a dangerous delusion when that freedom is juxtaposed with more important freedoms like the ones enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Also, people tend to regard that wealth-freedom as more important than rights that they “don’t use” like the right to own a firearm, the right to a speedy, public trial by jury and freedom of religion.

Take that wealth away in a depression AND leave them with a manifestly illiberal state that badly attempts to deceive the public into thinking that they’re free, and you have a recipe for disaster.

2 Kathy February 19, 2010 at 8:20 am

” Since video games are marketed at straight men, and since straight men usually don’t like to watch two guys lubing up with Crisco and making the beast with two backs, it follows that no mass-marketed video game would feature homo sex. (Lesbian sex, on the other hand, is perfectly kosher.”

EEEEEWWWW TO BOTH!

3 Phoenixism February 19, 2010 at 10:18 am

Can anyone please tell me what these women did that was sooooo wrong? Our society is so morally debased it’s not like letting old Chinese ladies jerk dudes off for cash will somehow destroy the social fabric,

Ferdinand, that’s efin classic. A priceless rant.

I think it should be painfully inscribed with a red hot needle on the forehead of every moralistic bureaucrat alive who clogs up the wheels of freedom in this country (symbolically speaking, of course).

The pessimist in me cannot rest.
Shit like this happens…you know, a “lunatic” makes a dramatic statement for the world to see; a few days follow of emboldened defiance. The stirrings of a movement….then, just like high school, the popular cliques (the news media, psychological and legal “spokespeople”) trounce the guy as a fringe societal drop out. And he’s forgotten.

Then the next little mind-fuck gets dropped in our lap by the masters to soothe our our ricocheting attention spans. Tiger Woods, John Mayer, other absolute bullshit that distracts society.

I supported Ralph Nader in 2000. I went to a rally and voted for the guy. In the following years it was an occasional source of shame but looking back, fuck that.

No shame at all. He was a weirdo and a kooky demagogue. Maybe he was not the one to carry this torch. We need someone to do that for us. We need another weirdo who can rally this country out of its Pop Culture slumber.

Is anyone even capable to marching on City Hall anymore?

4 Tupac Chopra February 19, 2010 at 11:16 am

We need someone to do that for us. We need another weirdo who can rally this country out of its Pop Culture slumber.

Is anyone even capable to marching on City Hall anymore?

Verily, we shall have a new savior.

The one…

The only…

E P I C B E A R D M A N

5 Steve Tirone February 19, 2010 at 11:39 am

This is exactly why I am teaching my boys Game, how to handle guns, and basic survival and manual labor skills. I grew up in outer-borough NYC, a Sicilian by extract, and I’ve been mocked and condescended to as “bridge-and-tunnel-trash” by uber-liberal wanna-be socialist Manhattanites who were slumming by sleeping with me.

They will be as meat for me and my sons when things fall apart.

6 anoukange February 19, 2010 at 12:08 pm

You’ve had some great posts for sure but this is in my top ten favorites. I 100% agree with all of what is said by both you and by Joe Stack. I also support massage parlors and prostitution which not surprisingly I catch shit for from many of my female friends. I think they should run specials on hand jobs. Poster design slogan: “Put a spring into your step and save 10% by visiting our shop during tax season or by bringing in a picture of any wife that weighs in over 180lbs.”, etc.

7 TAllagash February 19, 2010 at 12:25 pm

the quote, ” the big thieves hang the little ones,” always feels apropos when I watch the news and hear about Iraq, war profiteering, blah blah.

8 Lindsey Abelard February 19, 2010 at 12:47 pm

Stack tried to kill his wife and daughter by setting a house fire prior to him flying his plane into the IRS building. This is mentally sick. If he had bought million dollar insurance policies years ago so that if he died (once the 2 year suicide clauses timed out) so that his wife and daughter got the money once he was dead, I would have more regard for him.

Besides, the IRS is the wrong target. The IRS does what congress tells it to. Believe it or not, I actually have no beef with the IRS.

The one government agency that deserves termination is the FDA, which is caused millions of deaths due to an overly restrictive policy on the approval of new medical therapies. The FDA is a crime against humanity.

9 novaseeker February 19, 2010 at 12:54 pm

Mass Effect 2 is very fun!

I suspect that the comments on the “lack” of gay romance options in the game are more indicative of what BW has allowed in other games. Dragon Age, for example, which BW released last year, *did* have “bisexual” male characters in it that were romance options, while other characters were “strictly” straight. So I suppose people were expecting the same thing for ME2, but what they forgot is that ME2 is basically aimed at a different audience, and even ME1 had a straight romance only (well .. lesbian permitted, but as you say, lesbian doesn’t count as gay).

As for the guy in the plane — it’s the tip of the iceberg of the anger brewing in American men everywhere outside the arugula-sniffing effete elites.

10 whiskey February 19, 2010 at 1:54 pm

The guy on the plane also endorsed the Communist Manifesto and indeed quoted it and identified himself as a communist.

I don’t think he’s indicative of the mass of men disinvested in society. Rather, they’ve turned to slackerdom and indifference. You can see it in Virginia Tech and the Montreal Massacre of those women by that Muslim guy, where the guys in the former just passively sat there or ran away, and the latter where they meekly went outside.

Had either group consisted of off-duty Marines, highly invested, or a bunch of Captain Phil Harris types (Deadliest Catch), or construction workers, men used to physical exertion, investment, who don’t take crap, the outcome would have been different.

The danger is not guys going Sodini, but guys just not caring.

Stack is more like “I’d Dr. Amy Bishop!” the other left-wing nutcase who killed people.

I suspect in both cases the failure of the system to stop them, in Bishop’s case by the power of Left-wing Money and Democratic machine politics, will be the real story.

11 luvsic February 19, 2010 at 1:59 pm

dude, couldn’t agree with you more.

I was actually really angry that the URL where I read his ‘manifesto’ was editorialized as “insane …”

This guy was not insane, he’s been laughed at by forces more powerful than him.

They basically asked him, what are you gonna do about it, and he showed them.

12 luvsic February 19, 2010 at 2:01 pm

Anyone remember the plotline from The Rock.

Yeah, yeah, Michael Bay movie, etc but think about what those guys were motivated by.

I think we could see some stuff like that

13 anoukange February 19, 2010 at 2:33 pm

“The FDA is a crime against humanity.”

I agree with this too. That’s why I smoke pot for any ailment I may have instead of taking over -the- counter or prescription drugs. Ganja is in its natural state, untouched by man. I can trust it, so to speak.

14 Omega Man February 19, 2010 at 3:02 pm

I saw no mention of wife or children for Stack. All the indignities of life hurt more when you’re alone. Older men who are sick or in financial trouble are a typical profile for suicide, morese I believe than the teenagers the shrinks always worry about.

We live under a soft-authoritarian regime. It maintains power because something like a small majority of the population is OK with it. Tea Party or not there is no real stomach among the American people for any meaningful overhaul of the system, just rearranging the deck chairs.

15 Ferdinand Bardamu February 19, 2010 at 3:17 pm

Lindsey:

Stack tried to kill his wife and daughter by setting a house fire prior to him flying his plane into the IRS building. This is mentally sick.

Married men have, in the past, killed their families just prior to committing suicide. The idea is to spare them any more suffering. You may think it sick, but there’s a certain logic to it.

Omega Man:

I saw no mention of wife or children for Stack.

Try here:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586781,00.html

16 Tupac Chopra February 19, 2010 at 3:26 pm

Whiskey:

The guy on the plane also endorsed the Communist Manifesto and indeed quoted it and identified himself as a communist.

Link?

17 Sparks123 February 19, 2010 at 5:05 pm

Link?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

The liberal media will of course, try to make this guy out as a right-winger/tea party guy.

18 Acksiom February 19, 2010 at 5:43 pm

“Stack’s father-in-law, Jack Cook, told The New York Times that he knew Stack had a ‘hang-up’ with the IRS and his marriage had been strained. His wife had taken her daughter to a hotel to get away from Stack on Wednesday night, the newspaper said.”

I’ve read the links. I’m not seeing any support for the claim that he was trying to kill his wife and step-child. Or that he self-identified as a communist.

Looks like false accusations on your part to me.

19 Tupac Chopra February 19, 2010 at 5:50 pm

Link?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,586627,00.html

Yeah, I already read that. The only time he mentions communism is when he quotes the famous slogan as a setup to his capitalism barb: “From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

It was a rhetorical device.

I figured Whiskey was hyperventilating again.

20 Sparks123 February 19, 2010 at 7:15 pm

Yeah, I already read that. The only time he mentions communism is when he quotes the famous slogan as a setup to his capitalism barb: “From each according to his gullibility, to each according to his greed.”

It was a rhetorical device.

He appears to be implying that Communism is morally superior to capitalism.

21 Tupac Chopra February 19, 2010 at 7:49 pm

He appears to be implying that Communism is morally superior to capitalism.

Since the bulk of his manifesto excoriates the unjust nature of the wealth distribution policies of the gubmint, I kinda doubt it.

22 Athol Kay: Married Man Sex Life February 19, 2010 at 7:57 pm

I think you just have to realize the government is basically just the HR Department for whoever is running the show.

23 The Fifth Horseman February 19, 2010 at 8:24 pm

Make no mistake, the war on prostitution is nothing more than the state’s attempt to artificially prop up women’s sexual market value. It goes hand in hand with IMBRA and other laws to restrict the supply of pussy. The silver lining here is that the war will soon end.

Now that a fair number of guy are reluctantly choosing to drop out, they cannot prop up the value anymore. The number of buyers (at least for marriage) is shrinking.

Econ 101.

There is something deeply sick about a society that manages to transform intelligent, successful, productive members of society into felons and murderous suicides.

I never thought I would even begin to consider the CCP to be morally superior to the US government.

But now such a notion is not all that farfetched.

24 The Fifth Horseman February 19, 2010 at 8:27 pm

Remember, there are onlly 4 prolems in America :

1) Misandry is codified into law (the biggest problem of all).

2) 90-96% of Black people vote Democrat, no matter what (moving both parties leftward)

3) Illegal immigration is easy, while legal immigration os high-skilled people is hard

4) Too many lawyers, who directly profit from creating misery for others

Just 4 problems that are taking down what was once the best society ever created.

Just four.

25 The Fifth Horseman February 19, 2010 at 8:34 pm

a middle-aged cubicle jockey who works a dead-end state job, with three kids,

One could take the view that if he has reproduced (thrice), he has succeeded in life, no matter how unhappy he presently is.

26 The Fifth Horseman February 19, 2010 at 9:15 pm

Actually, the pattern would become more targetted.

George Sodini attacked women who were not part of any feminist apparatus, and had not directly wronged him.

Joe Stack attacked low-level IRS employees, who don’t really matter.

Eventually, we will see things become more targetted. Like a shooter going to a NOW meeting, or actual feminists being targetted (The Spearhead has posted a list of the most prominent feminist law professors).

I don’t approve of such violence.

But it is all too predictable.

P.S. The mistake Joe Stack made is neglecting to convert to Islam before doing this.

27 Advocatus Diaboli February 19, 2010 at 9:37 pm

The fall of the soviet union removed a;; shackles of self-restraint from our greedy ‘elites’.

28 MarkyMark February 19, 2010 at 10:38 pm

FB,

Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and the rest of the District of Criminals are so crooked & dishonest that they make Bernie Madoff look like a saint! Bernie Madoff engages in a scam & ponzi scheme; he gets jailed for it. The federal gov’t does it, and they get away with it?! Please, someone tell me what difference there is between what Madoff did, vs. what Washington does on a daily basis?

MarkyMark

29 whiskey February 19, 2010 at 10:56 pm

The guy goes on about the failure to pass healthcare. The evils of George W. Bush. And quotes the Communist Manifesto.

That’s “I’m Dr. Amy Bishop” all over again. He’s a hard-left nutcase.

Tea Partiers don’t WANT Health Care passed, and don’t quote the Communist Manifesto.

He’s a lunatic like Bishop, a hard-left nutcase who worshiped Obama.

This guy Stack is not really interesting. What IS interesting is how many gave him the “left-wing” pass ala Bishop.

30 Comment_Whatever February 20, 2010 at 12:07 am

Should be:

Whiskey said:

Tea Partiers don’t WANT Health Care passed

The old people don’t want government health care?

I thought they already had government health care…. at least for the next nine days!

Oh wait, they don’t want government health care for OTHER PEOPLE. Okay, now I got it.

You live in your own little world, don’t you Whiskey?

What would Mamma think if you developed a spine?

It bears repeating. We have the teabaggers, who are raking in the government benefits, leading a noble charge against government benefits identical to those that they already enjoy. At the behest of the government-appointed Oligarchs that control American Health Care. Against the “anti-capitalist” state that gave them all their money in the first place.

Sounds a lot like Russia to me.

Basically, Greedy Band Of Thieves A(“Obama’s Crew”) and Greedy Band of Thieves B(“Certificate Of Need Health Care”) are facing each other down.

One side is threatening to cut Medicare 21% on March 1.

The other side has it’s oldsters doing cart-wheels, and maybe later shootings.

Of course, we aren’t QUITE at Russia yet…. or there already would be shootings and killings…. and there haven’t been, at least that I know of. Also, Obama isn’t Putin, so it’s really going to be a whole lot messier.

Welcome to the start of Russia 2.0!

31 Gil February 20, 2010 at 10:14 am

“Tea Party or not there is no real stomach among the American people for any meaningful overhaul of the system, just rearranging the deck chairs.”

Virtually everyone’s a bureaucrat at heart – all talk and no action. Overthrowing the government and instituting freedom could get someone hurt. When the powers-that-be know that then when those who would supposedly overthrow them would rather talk about it and having peaceful protests then the powerful know they are perfectly safe.

32 Average Joe February 20, 2010 at 1:42 pm

While I can’t disagree with most of what was stated in the manifesto, I have trouble with clinging to the idea that he was an average guy takin’ it in the rear from the government.

I could be wrong, but from what I have gathered, he owned his own plane, lived in a upscale neighborhood in a “McMansion” and for a significant portion of his life was making some serious cash.

An average GenX guy like me, currently living in a tiny house in a sketchy neighborhood, who has never really ever gotten any significant portion of the pie -yes, I know it could be much worse and is for many many other men out there-I have trouble seeing this guy as one of the “have nots”.

33 hans February 20, 2010 at 1:54 pm

It´s called Psyops.

A desperate attempt by “The Powers That Be” to make questioning everything that is going wrong a “Thought-Crime”. This guy was obviously sucided and his House burned to kill all the evidence.

Stay calm, critical and true to your observations.

34 DaveinHackensack February 20, 2010 at 7:08 pm

I just skimmed this fellow’s manifesto, but I can’t say I empathize with him much. Sounds like he was a tax cheat, who was mad that he didn’t get away with his scams. His rant about the Catholic Church’s tax status elides the church’s enormous roles in health care, education, and charity in the U.S.

It’s ironic that you bring up Greece, because one of the main reasons Greece is in the situation it’s in is because it is filled with too many Joe Stack-types, who refused to pay taxes — that, and a bunch overpaid government workers. Greece has been living way beyond its means, with deficits of ~12% of GDP. I’m not sure what the bomber’s beef with J.P. Morgan was. Goldman was involved in some shady business with Greece, but even in that case, Goldman wasn’t ripping off Greece but abetting Greece in deceiving the E.U. and the buyers of Greek debt; Goldman was helping Greece live beyond its means. The Greeks were the shopaholics; Goldman helped them fudge their credit card applications.

35 Advocatus Diaboli February 20, 2010 at 7:42 pm
36 Comment_Whatever February 20, 2010 at 10:53 pm

DaveInHackInSack makes a FASCINATING claim:

t’s ironic that you bring up Greece, because one of the main reasons Greece is in the situation it’s in is because it is filled with too many Joe Stack-types, who refused to pay taxes — that, and a bunch overpaid government workers. Greece has been living way beyond its means, with deficits of ~12% of GDP. I’m not sure what the bomber’s beef with J.P. Morgan was. Goldman was involved in some shady business with Greece, but even in that case, Goldman wasn’t ripping off Greece but abetting Greece in deceiving the E.U. and the buyers of Greek debt; Goldman was helping Greece live beyond its means. The Greeks were the shopaholics; Goldman helped them fudge their credit card applications.

So the Greeks benefited from their governments overspending? Oh I’m sure SOMEONE benefited from the over-spending. SOMEONE.

Would you care, Dave, to PROVE that the money actually went to the Greek people rather than the builders of $200 toilets?

Listen now, to the sound of silence.

37 DaveinHackensack February 21, 2010 at 7:01 am

“So the Greeks benefited from their governments overspending?”

Plenty of them did, starting with all of those with government sinecures. You want an idea of how many Greeks benefited from their government writing checks it couldn’t cash? Look at how many of them are squealing now as the government proposes spending cuts.

“Would you care, Dave, to PROVE that the money actually went to the Greek people rather than the builders of $200 toilets?”

How would you propose I “PROVE” your asinine question in a manner that would satisfy you?

38 Tupac Chopra February 21, 2010 at 11:30 am

Whiskey:

The guy goes on about the failure to pass healthcare. The evils of George W. Bush.

So someone who points out the evils of George Bush is a commie?

Jeez Whiskey, you are really too far gone.

Were you aware that none other than EPIC BEARD MAN is on record as being glad Bush is out of office????

You shall pay dearly for your insolence, neo-con.

39 Comment_Whatever February 21, 2010 at 8:31 pm

Dave squealed:

“Would you care, Dave, to PROVE that the money actually went to the Greek people rather than the builders of $200 toilets?”

How would you propose I “PROVE” your asinine question in a manner that would satisfy you?

I’m so sorry if actually asking you to prove your claims is viewed as “mean”. But then again nearly any of your beliefs would be impossible to prove if the discussion were actually limited to facts, so I can see where you wouldn’t like being “limited” to the real world.

Plenty of them did, starting with all of those with government sinecures. You want an idea of how many Greeks benefited from their government writing checks it couldn’t cash? Look at how many of them are squealing now as the government proposes spending cuts.

While it is true that a true Capitalist, like you, knows that a worker is overpaid when he is paid above his “worth”…. that is NOTHING….. I have to say that in the real world, people who go to work expect to be paid.

I’m a little confused, also. You say the government cut money going to normal Greeks and they are upset about it. Unless a MIRACLE had occurred, I expect those Greeks are still paying something called TAXES.

I know it’s very unfashionable in America to want something for the taxes you pay in, but the Greeks don’t get that. They know the value of a dollar and expect to get something for the dollars they pay in.

Maybe you should go send in some Goldman Sachs executives and the US Secretary of Treasury to explain to them the “model” of paying taxes and receiving nothing in return. This model seems to be working quite well in America.

40 J. Durden October 22, 2010 at 6:16 pm

Gamers, I have noticed, have this weird sort of fetish for trying to be liberal. Imma stop that.

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