It’s Friday night and the streets are filled
With rich little fucking college pussy faggots
I’m gonna get a fucking gun
And shoot them all right in the balls
…
So like when I’m on Lansdowne and I’m looking to score
I say, “Hey baby, you wanna boogie?”
And they say, “Why don’t you buy me a drink?”
And I say, “Why I don’t tear your clothes off
And spit in your face, bitch!”
Dropkick Murphys, “Pipebomb on Lansdowne (Dance Remix)”
Much like how Chuck reads Feministing as a guilty pleasure, I’m fond of flipping through the pages of College Candy from time to time. If hilariously bad blogs were gold mines, College Candy would generate enough bullion to close the U.S. budget deficit. The site isn’t explicitly feminist like Feministing, Feministe (very original names there), Jezebel, or the other she-blogs out there, but still derives its comedy from the utter cluelessness of its contributors. A couple of recent items caught my attention because of their sheer stupidity. Join me, my readers, as we take a jaunt into the sewers of Retardation Nation.
First up, this piece introducing CC’s new column, “Ask a Dude”:
Fact: Women don’t understand men.
Fact: For the past 6 months, I’ve attempted to get some answers from some men to help all the ladies out there truly understand what the eff those turds are thinking.
Fact: After seeing a guy for two months and being “dumped†via email (where he called me the wrong name), I’m still horribly confused.
The only answer this broad needs is a slap upside the head. The reason those “turds” are screwing with you is because you sleep with them. Much like how people who try to break into popular career paths such as acting are mistreated by their superiors, the men you date treat you horribly because there are plenty of you and only a few of them, so they can get away with it. The sexual marketplace, like any marketplace, is beholden to supply and demand.
While our resident guy gave some pretty sound advice, there are so many tricky situations we women find ourselves in with men on a daily basis. Situations that can’t be summed up in some general question about dating or life or fake boobs.
So, I went on a quest to find a man who can be our voice of reason when we need him most. Like when our crush isn’t returning our calls, or, I don’t know, a guy says he loves us but wants to take the relationship back a few notches. WTF?
Tons of guys expressed interest in advising the ladies of CollegeCandy (why can’t this many dudes express interest in me!?), but I needed the perfect guy: a dude with an understanding of both men and women, a douchey past and a good-guy present. And I found him! (Unfortch, he’s taken, ladies.) He’ll be answering your questions weekly, so if you’ve got something you’re dying to figure out – and your girlfriends don’t know what they’re talking about – send ‘em over to [REDACTED]. Our dude will give it to you straight, no matter how much it hurts.
Any guy who would pass muster for a squishy, estrogenized website like College Candy would have to be lacking in the testicle department. Skedaddle over to the website and take a look at their “dude” to see what I mean. Don’t you just want to punch that jackass in the face? He looks exactly like the “rich fucking college pussy faggots” that clog the streets of Albany every weekend night, crowding the bars, embarrassing themselves with their weak-ass game, and making it harder for guys like myself to get with their nubile lady classmates.
But it gets better. Take a look at the answers “the Dude” gives to this chick’s questions:
What is one thing that all girls need to know about men?
The Dude: That men are only as complicated as women make them. Although I’d like to say that I’m a deep and thoughtful guy, it pretty much goes without saying that I think about one thing all the time…nothing. If I am at work, carrying out a task, eating a burger, or having sex…that is exactly what I’m thinking about. There is no deeper meaning, there is no analysis of my day, and there is no perfectly meditated intent behind my actions. Frankly, we’re just that simple.
Well, actually, he gets this one right. But he’ll screw up – I know he will.
What is the most romantic thing you’ve ever done for a lady?
The Dude: I wish I could say that a long list of tender, considerate moments are running through my (ever understanding) mind, but unfortunately, I was either too broke, too drunk, or too into the latest football game to ever truly sweep a chick of her feet. However, I have found that the most romantic thing a guy can do is to pay attention to the little things that really matter to a woman. For example, although past girlfriends have loved big gestures involving diamonds and various trips to Jared, my lady prefers an ice cold latte, trashy tabloid magazine, and two dudes named Ben & Jerry.
See, what did I tell ya? The most romantic thing a man can do for a woman is keep her enthralled with him, namely by having game. If you buy expensive gifts for your girl, you’re a grade-A sucker and you’re setting yourself up to be dumped. And this guy’s current girlfriend likes Ben & Jerry? Who wants to bet she has more rolls then a bakery?
What’s the douchiest thing you’ve ever done to a woman?
The Dude: Here is where my long list comes into play. After much thought (and an extensive selection process), I’ve narrowed it down to the following douchy incident. A few years back, I put a ton of time (and dinner at pretentious restaurants) into a girl I was into, but moved to Europe shortly after things started getting serious. Although I was abroad for a year, I kept things burning with the (faithful and loyal) girlfriend stateside, while actually taking in more than just the local culture (if you know what I mean.) Even worse, I broke up with her within 5 minutes of returning home.
Guys, don’t ever go on dinner dates. There is no woman alive worth three hours and a hundred dollars worth of food. “The Dude” just disqualified himself from giving any advice aside from how to be a beta. As for screwing foreign hotties while on vacation, isn’t that part of the fun of traveling?
What’s the biggest lesson you’ve learned about women?
The Dude: Alright, time for me to redeem myself from my supremely douchy past. Here is what I know about women: no matter how deep under the surface it may be…all women love to be loved. They want someone to adore and care for them (without playing games or going behind their back). They love talking about love, they love analyzing love with their friends, they love reading books and watching (occasionally tolerable) movies about love, they love pretending they don’t need love, they love hating love… You get my point? It’s one of the most endearing and amazing things about women, and why men are so mesmerized by them.
And we have officially reached the critical mass of ass. Women “want someone to adore and care for them?” If you believe that, then you deserve to come home after work and find your blushing bride giving a hummer to some tattooed asshole she met in a meat bar. And “men are so mesmerized by [women]” because they “love to be loved”? You’ve earned a second punch to the face for that one. Men are “mesmerized” by hot women because they make our groin-soldiers stand at attention, and nothing more.
Why do you want to do this column?
The Dude: To put it bluntly (and would I ever put it any other way?), I am unbelievably sick of women taking, toting and living by advice about men…that was written by women. Whether it’s women’s magazines, your friends or (though you try to deny) your frequent calls to your mother, advice about men is rarely about men, it’s about what women think about men. And to be honest, men just don’t think that much.
Given that you’re one scrotamectomy away from being a woman, “Dude,” your advice isn’t going to be any better.
See? Isn’t he perfect? He knows us and he knows us well. Now send him some questions, dammit!
“Perfect[ly]” catering to your prejudices and insecurities, sweetcheeks. And people wonder why female-targeted dating advice is so goddamn useless.
The second article I came across is by some chick who is single, sexless, and not happy:
My roommate has recently entered a relationship with a really hot, sexy Puerto Rican guy. As a result she has been having lots of hot, sexy sex. And as a result of this, I have been hearing every detail about it.
“I got an alpha male and you don’t! Nyah nyah, nyah nyah nyah!” And “hot, sexy sex”? As opposed to un-hot, unsexy sex?
Being open beyond acceptable social norms, this doesn’t bug me. But while we were out recently and had one too many beers (hey, at 2 bucks a pitcher, I’m only being economical at this point), she made a comment that kind of got my wheels turning.
“Gosh. I wish you were having tons of sex too so we could freaking exchange stories already.â€
And here I thought the point of sex was to have an orgasm and possibly make babies.
Pause.
What?!
“Hello, my whole ‘thing’ is that I’m okay with being single. Who the eff are you to tell me that I need a man to be happy? Also, I think you should have to pay more rent this month cause you have just severely offended me. Jerk.†I stuck my (angry) face in the pitcher and took a gulp.
She grabbed the pitcher from me, splashing Keystone all over my face, and responded calmly. “I never said I wanted you to get a boyfriend. I said I wanted you to have lots of sex. You don’t need a boyfriend for that.â€
Boys, we have a potential fuckbuddy on our hands! The world needs “good time girls,” and I encourage all of them to turn themselves out as soon as possible so we guys know who to avoid for anything more than a night of ass-slapping, hair-yanking, no-strings-attached sex.
Oh. Right. I forgot that little tiny detail. Because while I believe that you can have fun, fulfillment, enjoyment, and close personal relationships without romantic relationships…I have always been on the fence over whether or not you should have sex.
I’ve never thought it was wrong to have sex without being in a relationship. Look, this isn’t the 1950’s anymore; you don’t need someone’s letterman jacket before you crawl into the backseat of his Mustang. And while I’d never consider sleeping with seven anonymous strangers in a night, I will admit there are some (okay, a BILLION) gray areas between anonymity and monogamy. If you know the person is safe, and you know you can handle it emotionally, do you really have to be in a relationship to have sex? (And at any rate, shouldn’t physical and emotional safety be things you check up on even in a relationship?)
Do you have to be in a relationship to get it on? No, not really. Thing is, too many one-night stands and flings and eventually the only thing men will want you for is one-night stands and flings. If spending the rest of your years cleaning your cats’ litterboxes and taking Valtrex appeals to you, then by all means, ignore what I have to say.
But, I’ve just always wondered if casual sex could be as fulfilling.
While I tend to actively ignore most societal standards, I like to be aware of them. My guy friends seemed to almost unanimously agree that you didn’t need to be in a relationship to be having fulfilling sex. (Some of them even offered to help me find out for myself. Oh, how kind.)  The female counterparts seemed more divided on the issue; some of my girlfriends told me as long as you make sure he’s not a creep and he wraps his tool, sex is sex. It is a natural human need, and you don’t need a relationship to fulfill it.
“Societal standards?” Oh, screw you. Being a slut in modern America is like being a drunk at an AA meeting – it’s expected. You’re not being subversive by climbing up on top of dozens of dudes’ dongs. You’re not striking a blow against the Man. You’re not a rebel. You’re as common as dog shit in a public park.
And others insisted to me that the boyfriend label makes it magically better, since there is more trust, comfort, and emotion. Hey, thanks for doing absolutely nothing to help my confusion, guys.
From a purely logical standpoint (and we know how well those work in relationships, right?), I guess sex could be completely separated from relationships. Look, it’s something we all wanna do, and we’re gonna do it one way or another. We also live in a generation where commitment has become something of an urban myth, and it’s kind of sucky if we’re expected to live like nuns just because someone won’t become Facebook official with us. On the other hand, we can’t deny that for most people, sex is a very emotional thing. Even if there are no strings attached, things can still manage to get all tangled (and I’m not taking about body parts).
Commitment is “an urban myth” because skanks made it that way. No one wants to pay full price (marry) or even half-price (relationship) for a broken-down clunker (slut).
Right now, considering I’m not getting any, the idea of sex outside of a relationship is looking pretty, pretty good. But I just don’t know where I stand (lay?) on the topic. I guess I’ll have plently of time to mull it over during this little dry spell drought.
If you’re a woman and you can’t get any, you have failed as a human being. Unless you’re disgustingly overweight, unfathomably ugly, or both, getting a crotch rocket to lay waste to your seedy underbelly is as easy as walking out the door each morning. And if you’re so addicted to dick that you worry about not getting any, you should seek professional help before you do something that will lower your sexual market value. Ladies reading this, if you are a hot, lovely co-ed who is currently single, dial 1-800-BARDAMU and I’ll fix your problem right quick. BYOB.
But the stupidity doesn’t stop there. Here’s a sampling of truly deluded comments:
i think the whole attachment after sex is bullshit. there’s attachment because you initially felt an attraction, that led to sex. there might even be a bigger desire because you might feel that you “lost†him now that you two had a one night stand. that being said, i’d say random sex is crappy just because of the quality – there’s usually a lot of alcohol involved and the guy doesn’t have any obligations to you
Apparently this chick never heard of oxytocin.
ok, in college, everyone is a dirty skankin whore.. but when that’s all over and done with, you find someone that means more to you and who you can agree to not be a dirty skankin whore with.
and it’s all good. seriously!
YOU are your worst critic!
have fun and live loud WHILE YOU CAN! you know, before you have babies, a husband, and a full time job.
No, honey, it’s NOT all good. No dude worth a damn is going to marry or have a long-term relationship with a chick whose vagina has seen more action then a war vet.
Whoa, slow down Ashley. We are not all in agreement that all girls who are “hyper-sexual†as you call it were sexually abused. I’m astonished you are shallow enough to believe that. It’s so laughably fake that I’m tempted to think you’re just posting that comment as a joke.
The reason people think there’s something wrong with a girl who actually wants to have sex is because people like you are always telling us that’s the way it’s supposed to be. It’s not genetics – it’s society. I’m highly insulted that you’re saying sexual desires (a.k.a. actually having feelings instead of being a completely composed, unfeeling doll with boobs) means I had to have been sexually abused as a child. Stop spreading your vicious, shallow lies around.
Wanting to have sex != being a cockoholic. Whenever you hear a chick using this line of argument, know that she’s in all probability a hosebag. Bring your industrial strength rubbers and don’t forget to delete her number in the morning.
And so ends this journey into the minds of college girls, the future of America. God help us all.


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“No one wants to pay full price (marry) or even half-price (relationship) for a broken-down clunker (slut).”
LOL this writeup is something special. Like a decent guy is going to want a whore who’s given more rides than Amtrak. Too funny, this advice is great for the ‘I want to become a bitter, used-up hag’ crowd.
Enjoy your carefree days ladies, a real man won’t want a thing to do with you if you’re nothing but a walking artifical insemination storage unit. Some of us guys out here aren’t whores and we want nothing at all to do with you no matter how good you might look.
Commitment to a skank who may carry who knows how many STDs? Uhm, no thanks.
“No dude worth a damn is going to marry or have a long-term relationship with a chick whose vagina has seen more action then a war vet.”
Of course not. However, unless she’s really been working it like a pro, you won’t be able to know unless she’s honest about her sexual history…and you know they are never honest about their sexual history.
So if you want a halfway intelligent cool woman who is fun to be with and also pretty good looking…guess what, she hasn’t been saving herself for you. Unless you are pathologically insecure about how you measure up to her past, it shouldn’t matter.
“That men are only as complicated as women make them. Although I’d like to say that I’m a deep and thoughtful guy, it pretty much goes without saying that I think about one thing all the time…nothing. If I am at work, carrying out a task, eating a burger, or having sex…that is exactly what I’m thinking about. There is no deeper meaning, there is no analysis of my day, and there is no perfectly meditated intent behind my actions. Frankly, we’re just that simple.”
What a load of bullshit. That this guy is a vapid empty shell, I can believe. Projecting that on all men, well, that’s not going to help these slutastic women one iota. He’s just playing to their feminist prejudices. Mmm, women too complex, me just simple caveman.
Damn, I wish Phil Hartman was still alive.
And this is exactly why college education should be made super expensive and hard to get, so only the most serious and academically inclined students will enter.
This is also the reason why white and black Americans seem to perform so poorly in college, their focus is diverted into “relationships” and other such concerns.
When Asians go to college they go to study, not to get laid.
Bardamu:
“No, honey, it’s NOT all good. No dude worth a damn is going to marry or have a long-term relationship with a chick whose vagina has seen more action then a war vet.”……………………………
Me:
AND YET, you all do! If the skankiness of college girls is as pervasive as you claim, that means that whomever you do eventually decide to “settle down” with – in a LTR of 5 or more months, (I know “marriage” is out of the question for you guys), will in fact be one of these war vet women!!!
The irony is you men are turned on by super hot women. Super hot women are often, well, super hot.
The low key, conservatively dressed, non-made-up women would not be attractive to you because she lacks the “it” factor, the “hot” factor. And yet, at the same time these super hotties turn you on, you hate them. And neither are you able to be turned on by the non-hotties.
I feel your frustration.
At some point you might want to opt for being non-fickle though.
What’s your point? Women who spend a decade sucking guys off in bar-restrooms and boyfriend-hopping would not likely be fit wives and mothers even if this process didn’t turn them into emotional train wrecks. And as much as these sluts think they’re “intelligent, cool, fun to be with, and pretty good looking” because men tell them they are, the reality is that they are usually lacking in most or all of these categories. By the way, I couldn’t help but notice the lack of “moral” or “virtuous” on your list. I guess that would be asking too much, huh?
I hereby declare you a tool of the matriarchy.
“The low key, conservatively dressed, non-made-up women would not be attractive to you”
Speak for yourself. Not all of us think with our dick.
Mike, it wasn’t directed at you or me, it was directed at Bardamu who wrote,……
“Men are “mesmerized†by hot women because they make our groin-soldiers stand at attention, and nothing more.”
Well I would agree with FB on that as well. I don’t think that it’s either/or.
On a visceral level, jelly doughnuts drive me to ecstasy. But on an intellectual level, I know that doughnuts are not the foundation of a healthy diet. A glutton might not have the self-control to stop gorging on doughnuts, but that doesn’t mean that everyone who drools over doughnuts is a glutton.
BARDAMU:
“As for screwing foreign hotties while on vacation, isn’t that part of the fun of traveling?”
…………………………..
If you want women to stop being sluts, you will have to stop enabling their behaviour (in other words, stop sleeping with them).
It appears you have a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship with them.
Can people actually read through Feminist blogs without falling asleep? Good GOD this stuff is crap. Blah, blah, blah…
I used to wonder why I had very few women friends. Did I hate women? No. I happen to be one myself…
But I just couldn’t stand the relentless “I’m sooooo faaaaat” and the constant, never ending griping about men and how bad we women have it.
Sorry, I just can’t stay focused once Feminists start nittering away.
Seriously!
If a man doesn’t want to marry the village bicycle then he’s “pathologically insecure about how he measures up to her past” ???
A man has a right to be disgusted. Especially by a woman’s whorish past! YUCK!! Even I am grossed out and I’m a straight, married woman with no lesbian desires. There’s a reason I “do the hover” in public rest rooms ~ I have no idea where those other women have been, let alone with whom… Ugh!!
Tool of the Matriarchy indeed!!
I hated college. It was just one giant sex-fest with everyone behaving like dogs in heat. I dropped out so I could get married and have babies. I’m now ten times happier then I ever was at college! And I’m probably learning more…
I don’t buy the pathologically insecure bit. A woman with a long sexual history is a higher infidelity risk, simply because she has demonstrated that she very much enjoys sexual variety.
Ok, dude. Go join a church and find a pure moral missionary-style wife. Who had a nasty past she won’t tell you about.
Like most feminists and crypto-feminists, you have a very low opinion of women.
“And this is exactly why college education should be made super expensive and hard to get, so only the most serious and academically inclined students will enter.”
Well, they tried making it hard to get in…but liberals whined about NAMs not being able to pass muster. So colleges were forced to lower the bar for them, as well as foot their bills.
“AND YET, you all do! If the skankiness of college girls is as pervasive as you claim, that means that whomever you do eventually decide to “settle down†with – in a LTR of 5 or more months, (I know “marriage†is out of the question for you guys), will in fact be one of these war vet women!!!”
I’d estimate that 40-45 percent of college girls are full-bore skanks, so it’s not all pervasive. And if it gets to the point where the overwhelming majority of co-eds are sluts, well, I’ll have to forget about LTRs with ‘em, and so will every other dude with a clue.
“The irony is you men are turned on by super hot women. Super hot women are often, well, super hot.”
“You men”? What are you, a chick in disguise? All men who aren’t gay or eunuchs “are turned on by super hot women.” It’s a hindbrain reaction that we can manage but not turn off completely. Unless you have erectile dysfunction, whenever you see a hot woman on the street, on your TV, anywhere, you WILL be turned on. The dick has a mind of its own.
“The low key, conservatively dressed, non-made-up women would not be attractive to you because she lacks the “it†factor, the “hot†factor.”
What are you talking about? Beauty is objective. The only way a woman can completely shield her looks from the world is to wear a burka. “Low key” women who are good looking turn a man on as well as any other hot chick.
“And yet, at the same time these super hotties turn you on, you hate them.”
I don’t hate ‘em. I just hate stupidity.
“If you want women to stop being sluts, you will have to stop enabling their behaviour (in other words, stop sleeping with them).”
You have cause and effect reversed, bub. If women would snap their legs shut, and demand higher standards of their gentleman callers, this problem wouldn’t exist. Of course, this isn’t going to happen short of a Taiping-esque revolution.
And not every woman I sleep with is a slut.
“It appears you have a dysfunctional co-dependent relationship with them.”
I love sluts. Some of my best friends are sluts. But I wouldn’t want my son to marry one.
“You have cause and effect reversed, bub. If women would snap their legs shut, and demand higher standards of their gentleman callers, this problem wouldn’t exist. ”
The problem is, the men will just go elsewhere. If a woman is really digging a guy, and that guy wants sex, either she gives it to him or someone else does.
Do men in this day and age “wait” for their women to “come around”??? Do they agree to wait until marriage or at least engagement?
NO.
So, what is a woman supposed to do when no guy will wait for her?
And women are sexual beings too. They can’t neccessarily wait until they are 25 or 30.
That’s why I plan on covertly arranging my daughters’ marriages early.
I tend to agree with you, but I do have a couple of contentions with what you’re saying.
Wanting to have sex does NOT equate to being a cockaholic, or as Roissy oft puts it, “riding the alpha cock carousel.” I enjoy sex. I want sex. I love sex. But, like most people, I restrict my nymphomaniac tendencies to relationships.
Women are not happy having casual sex. We view the experience as indelible from our emotions, whereas men are capable of just experiencing the physical enjoyment and isolating feelings from the act we will always desire more than just a “fling.”
There are a surprising minority of women who think that sex during university doesn’t “count.” They know this is bullshit because they will always remember that night they became a mere notch on a man’s belt, and it will eat away at their soul. Heh.
And like Black Military Man said, women are sexual beings too. I will corroborate this. It’s near impossible to wait for marriage the way the workplace has been restructured. Like I said elsewhere, the day a slut stops being enabled by a man who refuses to sleep with her, is the day pigs fly.
I think you have little respect for women if you think a beautiful woman inherently equates to being stupid, and only ugly women are suitable for long term relationships. FYI, most ugly women are skanks. So, are most fat women. They’re less selective, more desperate, and willing to jump on any dick that can stay hard inside them.
I know a lot of gorgeous women who are also intelligent and successful. Just because they don’t exist in your universe…
Michelle, I respect your life choices, but not all university-educated women are inherent sluts. Being informed and educated is a valuable asset to a relationship. I would HARDLY describe my undergraduate, academic experience as a “sex-fest”. More like, sleepless nights fuelled by caffeine at the library.
“Wanting to have sex does NOT equate to being a cockaholic, or as Roissy oft puts it, “riding the alpha cock carousel.†I enjoy sex. I want sex. I love sex. But, like most people, I restrict my nymphomaniac tendencies to relationships.”
Did you not see this line of mine:
“Wanting to have sex != being a cockoholic”
!= means “not equal to.”
Mea culpa. Sorry.
“I would HARDLY describe my undergraduate, academic experience as a “sex-festâ€.”
Well then I hope you give off some “abnormal” vibes, because if not every man will assume that you had a “normal” (fairly promiscuous) college experience, and downgrade you accordingly.
“And women are sexual beings too. They can’t neccessarily wait until they are 25 or 30.”
This is really the heart of the matter. A society that delays family life until 25 or 30 is on the road to destruction. The college degree, in many cases, has become a meaningless piece of paper and all of this useless education is stunting our productivity. At the same time, high schools have become college prep centers with no vocational education.
There is no need to delay adulthood as long as we do. It’s incredibly destructive for everyone.
I think judging by the way I write, speak, and generally converse, not to mention my GPA, a man could certainly tell I went to university to pay attention in lecture (admittedly ogling gorgeous professors) rather than getting drunk at the local Frat house and being handed around by various, disease-infested men.
You might be surprised, Sofia, but those categories are not mutually exclusive. Many of the smartest, most school-minded girls I knew in college were also the biggest sluts. Work hard, play hard, you know. Then again, I only knew the girls who weren’t terminally shy.
Men are “mesmerized†by hot women because they make our groin-soldiers stand at attention, and nothing more.
Ferdinand, this is just some friendly advice, but I wish you’d drop such Roissy-isms. Roissy writes like that because he’s a nihilist and is out solely to entertain. If you’re trying to be part of a serious movement, well… I guess you can write things like that if you really believe them, but do you? Do you really think the only reason men like women is that they are physically arousing? Have you ever been in love? I have, and since learning about game I’ve become as much of a realist as the next guy, but I can tell you, during that year I had a girlfriend in college who felt as strongly about me as strongly as I felt about her, when we looked into each other’s eyes, there was much more to it than an erection.
Men need to be able to look forward to something more than an erection if we are to have a civilization.
Mike,
They aren’t mutually exclusive factors (intelligence + slutdom), but, there are a host of other ways to tell if a woman is a huge slut. I’m also an INFJ.
The problem is, the men will just go elsewhere. If a woman is really digging a guy, and that guy wants sex, either she gives it to him or someone else does.
If she is not digging a guy who is in the top 5% (not even top 20%), then no, it will not be so easy for him to get it from someone else.
And even if he is, as long as there is not mutual agreement of monogamy, so what?
It is not like as if women are seeing only one guy at a time. (even if without sex)
Usually, no, almost always, the man will wait.
The few who dont, are the ones with options, or,
SURPRISE:
Are not into her enough to wait.
I agree though that the easily available sex has been bad for the girls who want to have sex only in a trusted, formed bond, but it is not the fault of men enjoying the supply of sex, but the other women providing men with the sex, or the promise of easy sex.
No matter what you think of women, no matter how you absolve them of their responsibilities, there is one fact:
Women are the gatekeepers of sex.
My thoughts exactly.
Not forgetting the high risk of all sorts of diseases and bugs…
Sofia: Did I say that *all* university-educated women were inherent sluts? No.
Yes, I did say “with everyone behaving like dogs in heat” but quit being so nit-picky and stick with the original point of the posts and comments. You know I was just using a common phrase.
“I would HARDLY describe my undergraduate, acedemic experience as a “sex-fest.”
Was I talking directly about you? No.
This happens to be a pet peve of mine: My fellow women (ok, fine, not *all* of them, just in case some of you want to nit-pick) take posts and comments so damn PERSONALLY. It’s so self-centered.
No wonder women aren’t taken very seriously… so busy being personally offended by generalized comments.
Everything has become a “right” to Liberals. There’s no longer any sense of earning your way through life by your natural talents and degree of work ethic. Instead there’s a sense of entitlement and “the world owes me!”
Even a college education has become a “right” to be aquired on demand.
No wonder our society is so messed up. It’s like a pack of kids in a candy store screaming, “GIMMIE!!”
Very interesting discussion, and if I may, I’d like to link it to a recent discussion here in the forum, about a 40 year old Woman from the UK who was lamenting her inability to find similarly aged Men for potential mates.
My question is this: given that the gals we’re talking about here are in their late teens to say, mid 20s, can we reasonably say that Game should adjusted to take age into account-or-as the Anna Pasternak article suggests, Women have certain deeply held views, regardless of age? I’m very curious about this, since I tend to be aware of such quirks a bit more than others, it seems. My personal hope is that a Woman gains a bit more perspective and wisdom as she ages a bit, but the Pasternak article, when put next to this College Girls piece, doesn’t suggest much of a difference.
Comments?
The Obsidian
Good post, O.
I have to tell you that my experience and based upon different articles and blogs I’ve seen, is that there isn’t much of a difference, contrary to your hope. True, there are some who actually do gain more perspective and wisdom, but I’ve found them the uncommon exception. Also, we are talking about passable to hot women, the ones you’d want to choose, as opposed to ugly and obese.
I think 2 broad (though imperfect) examples of this can be mentioned…
1. The rise and/or acceptability of cougardom. I guess the 1st point here is that cougs originally started as recent divorcees with lots of plastic surgery (often) who still looked relatively good for their ages, just picking up some far younger guys for some NSA sex. It’s now morphed. Women 35+ recently divorced or divorcing, often with kids, hop back into the dating pool, and possess the same expectations regarding their marketplace value as their daughters. I do think much of it comes down to looks….the under size 10s have this more. IOW, they still think they can snag an approx. 40yo successful guy and that he should happily pay full new 2009 MSRP price for the siliconed, botoxed and over-tanned (I’m in the west) ’98 Lexus that had add-on spoliers, and has been ridden hard over speed bumps, dirt roads & potholes.
2. This is more personal experience and POV gleaned from other guys I know and articles I’ve read, but women in their 30′s whose bio clock starts banging away like church bells have no clue and are the worst offenders.
First, simply the sex aspect. I think it is pretty safe to say that a man wouldn’t want his wife to have seen more sausage than a Hormel plant. So men’s mate/mom criteria is low mileage sexually, in terms of partner numbers. Women know this, and often lie accordingly. Roissy has mentioned same and in many other places it is mentioned as well.
Keeping on the sex theme, I remember Tom Leykis (radio show) talking about the subject saying something like “Now that she’s had her fun & wants to settle down, it’s like throwing a hotdog down the hallway and you, sucker, ‘tag’ you’re it!”
The point is that a woman who spends a decade or more banging around is crappy marriage and mom material because she’s shown a promiscuous propensity, an inability to commit, an appetite for sexual variety as an infidelity risk marker, and a behavioral pattern of placing her own desires first. This 10+ year behavioral pattern doesn’t simply vanish overnight because she may want to have kids or marry. Most women I’ve run across simply do not want to hear this, basically because it doesn’t validate their life choices. Rather, it eviscerates them.
I think women in general (again, we’re talking about passable looking to best-looking women – the ones you want to bang and marry) show tremendous dissonance/denial/choose-your-term to these factors. If all you have to choose from is hosebags, then you’ll have to choose one. It smacks of hubris to me. So I don’t see much of a difference either.
I’m not personally offended. It’s a mistaken generalized comment. I will maintain that universities are not places for “sex-fests.”
Colleges shouldn’t be forced to lower the academic bar, but the financial bar? In the U.S. colleges are private institutions, so, it’s not a “yes”, but I will posit if more people had access to complete university if they were intellectually capable of doing so, then we would have a more educated society. How is that a bad thing? A hyper-educated society means less problems.
I understand that most people from low-income families experience problems in school for a host of reasons, and therefore usually don’t pursue these venues, but if it was available to them, isn’t that great?
Oh, and of course the personal anecdotal evidence you offer isn’t self-centred. You also failed to respond to my point that educated women are able to offer a lot to a relationship and some men prefer this.
I think that not everyone needs a university education to function in society. There’s a tremendous amount of educational waste in our system. In European countries, the people who have degrees are generally the ones who need them, and there are other certifications and so on for jobs that do not need degrees. In Germany, for example, the system works very well, and most people do not go to Uni. Their system is much more efficient than the North American one, it seems to me.
I think judging by the way I write, speak, and generally converse, not to mention my GPA, a man could certainly tell I went to university to pay attention in lecture (admittedly ogling gorgeous professors) rather than getting drunk at the local Frat house and being handed around by various, disease-infested men.
As Mike points out, these are not mutually exclusive.
When I was at Stanford in the 1980s, there were obviously tons of very smart women around. Many of them were *also* quite promiscuous, even at that point in time when the AIDS hysteria supposedly temporarily tamped down promiscuity among the young. It wasn’t the “dumb girls” (we didn’t really have any of them, but of course some were smarter than others) who were promiscuous — it wasn’t sorted that way at all, really.
Tom Wolfe wrote a book about this a few years ago called “I am Charlotte Simmons” based (to some degree) on his own daughter’s college experiences and what he was able to observe himself. The rampant sexual promiscuity on college campuses is a reality. I know it’s not *all* college women who do it, but it’s still a very prominent part of the culture.
Vino,
Thanks much for the response, very well written and explained.
It’s my view that we’re going to see lots more disaffected “cougars” in the very near future, and of course, like Pasternak does, will blame this on the Menfolk, never for once taking stock of oneself. What I’ve always been fascinated by is the idea that Women are so empowered, yet are at the mercy of such trivial things as finding a good Man to settle down with. Cognitive dissonance indeed.
Anyway, yea, methinks yet another essay is brewing here…
The Obsidian
“Colleges shouldn’t be forced to lower the academic bar, but the financial bar?”
I am not opposed to scholarships. Although I think even those are a privilege, not an entitlement.
I am opposed to race-based scholarships and lowered admission requirements for certain groups(NAMs & females) only – as is currently done. This is very unfair to those not of those groups, but better academically-qualified – and lowers our national competitiveness as a whole. It rewards failure and enables underachievement in those groups. It’s also a big reason why business is simply outsourcing to more merit-based societies now (see Asia) and bypassing this whole liberal dumbing-down whose main goal is NAM/female empowerment (selective diversity)…rather than simply finding the best.
One thing I notice about the U.S. (weaned through T.V., movies, books, and ancedotes from friends) is that a lot of emphasis is placed on the “college experience”, which is totally not the case here, so I think that might be where the difference kicks in.
Fraternities and sororities are hardly noteable here, and when they do exist, it’s trying to emulate an American institution for the sake of it. But without any of the wild partying, and sex orgies.
So, maybe this is why my opinion of undergraduate is so radically different. I’m certainly no homebody, I’m social, I know what goes on. There doesn’t seem to be any rampant sexual promiscuity except in a very small subset of the population, again, trying to emulate the “American college experience.”
Though, I do understand being intelligent and slutty aren’t mutually exclusive. As I mentioned, there are a host of telltale signs that might indicate a woman you are dating is a slut.
You’re not from the US…ok, that explains everything now.
Michelle was talking about American life, which is markedly different than areas outside the ZionAnglosphere.
Not everyone needs a university degree, but it’s a wonderful opportunity. If you like learning, and want to specialize in a particular area of interest, I can’t think of a better way to do it. You don’t have to employ it in a practical sense later in life to have gotten use and enjoyment out of it.
Was this directed at me? Your choice of words is telling. You use “beautiful”, the men here “hot”. There is a HUGE difference. My grandmother is beautiful, but she’s not hot. Many “hot” women are not naturally beautifully at all.
Also interesting that you put “fat” and “ugly” in the same category.
Nobody asserted that beautiful or even “hot” women could not be intelligent, either.
The issue is that they see men selecting *out* women who have high odometers as being “oppressive”, because feminism teaches them that. At bottom, this is based on feminism’s refusal to admit to real differences between the sexes.
For men, as you point out, a high odometer in women is a red flag because it indicates a higher infidelity risk. Men are concerned about this rather viscerally, because cuckolding risk is a risk that only men bear — women do not bear that risk. And a woman with a long sexual history is more likely to engage in infidelities because she has demonstrated a taste for sexual variety — something which directly undermines the ability to behave monogamously over the long-term. It’s not “male hatred of women” or “male sexism” that makes men not want to marry high odometer women –> it’s perfectly rational, and it relates to the risk of cuckolding.
Women do not bear that risk, so they are often not as concerned about the man’s sexual history. In fact, women seem to prefer men with some history because that indicates that they have been “pre-screened” by other women, have more experience and so on. So women tend to not care as much about a man’s sexual odometer, whlie preferring that he have some miles on it. That is slightly irrational, given that the iconic risk for women is that their husband abandons them for a younger woman at some point. One would think that a rational strategy would select out men who have longer histories because they may be more tempted to abandon in future years. But that rationality does not appear to have found its way into female mate selection.
Feminism teaches women to see men’s selection preferences as based in sexism — which is nonsense, as pointed out. Nevertheless, many women viscerally feel that way about it, which is why they deny, lie, cover up, and shame men who want to know about their histories, rather than leading the kinds of lives that make them more attractive as mates. It’s the classic case of projection: they think that men should evaluate women the way that women evaluate men (less based on looks, more based on persona, less care about sexual history and so on) –> which, as I said above, is itself based on the idea that men and women are the same.
Then divorcees in their late 30s or early 40s with kids are the way to go. They would have been taken off the market a long time ago when they got married, hence they would NOT have had a lot of sexual partners.
It’s the single, young “hot” women with the high numbers of partners that you have to worry about.
I think it tells that she’s heterosexual.
Beautiful implies good looks.
Hot implies good looks that turn you on.
So I think she recognizes good looks in women, but they don’t turn her on (because she is str8).
Just like I could recognize a good-looking man.
But I’ve never called a good-looking man hot, because that’d be uber-gay and they don’t turn me on.
Also, why wouldn’t “fat” and “ugly” be in the same category of “physically unappealing?”
Not everyone needs a university degree, but it’s a wonderful opportunity. If you like learning, and want to specialize in a particular area of interest, I can’t think of a better way to do it. You don’t have to employ it in a practical sense later in life to have gotten use and enjoyment out of it.
It is, but it comes at a huge cost. I think that the function of the education system should, first and foremost, be training people to be productive citizens. Other countries do that better than the US does, by tracking people into appropriate educational tracks for the kinds of work they will be doing for society, rather than smushing everyone together into getting an undergraduate degree. Personal enrichment is fine, but it isn’t really the purpose of an educational “system”.
What are you, a feminist troll?
Usually trolls try too hard to impersonate someone, and instead of picking some personal or unique screenname…will “spell out” what they are trying to fake.
E.g. – “BLACK MILITARY MAN.” Look, I’m a (macho) MAN! Honest, folks!
Perhaps. Some of the divorcees in their early 40s will have been married around 30, and will have racked up quite a few partners by then. The ones who are divorced already by their early 30s probably married in the mid 20s and earlier, so for that subset, you’re probably right.
Of course you have other issues in terms of dating someone who has children. I’m a single dad myself, so I’m not biased against that, but it certainly is something a lot of people who do not have kids of their own do not want to deal with, for perfectly acceptable reasons.
No, it wasn’t directed at you, but it was directed at Mike.
Though, I did append the “fat” category; I didn’t include it in the same category as “ugly.” I do agree with Byrdeye that they are both physically unappealing attributes.
I am from Canada. So it isn’t too much of a stretch, except when it comes to issues like these.
Many degrees in the Arts & Humanities are rarely practically applied, i.e. history, English lit., anthropology, etc. But many people continue to take them, mostly out of personal interest or under a delusion they’re going to get a job in those respective fields, and then go on to do secondary degrees (think journalism, law) and enter into those career niches.
What needs to be restructured is the way we view university, not as a corporation, but as an actual insitution for learning (not for sex or the experience or whatever else). If more people entered based on pure interest and academic eligibility, it would bar people doing it as a chore. I think it would ultimately even out, and we would get more people who are good and passionate at what they do.
That may also be exceptionally idealistic, but…
Vino, Everyone,
As promised, yet another astrologically-inspired essay addressing the issue at hand has sprung out of my head. God forbid, lol! It actually takes up the recent Anna Pasternak piece, but fully applies to the topic here as well. Check it out and holla back.
Over 40-Aged Woman Asks: Where Are All The Men?
Fri Aug 28 2009 1.21PM EDT
Despite all the many different kinds of astrology out there in our time, every last single astrologer worth the name knows that their bread and butter has always been, and will always be, what we call Synastry-the astrology of love, relationships and sex.
Given that the majority of those who consult us in this regard tend to be women, the following article deserves a close read by astrologers. It is a window onto the vastly changed dating/mating landscape in our time, and gives us pause to consider how we’ve done business up to this point moving forward.
Anna Pasternak, of the United Kingdom and a writer of some repute I understand, wrote a piece for the Daily Mail, which appeared on its website last month, Jul 30 2009 to be exact; below, I present lengthy excerpts of the piece, followed by my astrological analysis and commentary:
“Is there even ONE straight, kind, solvent single man in his 40s left in Britain?
By Anna Pasternak
29th July 2009
Recently, I gave a talk to 300 women entitled Hope After Heartbreak. I catalogued my emotionally devastating 30s; getting divorced, having a child with a younger man and being left a single mother.
Then I detailed how I’d overcome my grief and shame to find an unexpected level of contentment in my 40s.
When I was asked, as I knew I would be, had I found love again, my answer was ‘sadly not’. Did I think I would? My honest response was that I hoped so, but that I no longer had any certainty
Two types of men : The overgrown ‘kidults’ – men who have degenerated into hopeless commitment-phobes and the successful, solvent divorcés who approach dating like a cold business transaction.
Because when I look around at my girlfriends – bright, attractive, successful, fabulous women in their 40s who are single – I sincerely begin to wonder: Is there even one solvent, kind, desirable, heterosexual single man in his 40s left in Britain?
My friends and I have a horrible suspicion that the answer is no.
The topic was much debated when I went on a detox holiday in Morocco at Easter with nine single women, ranging in age from mid-30s to late-40s and all looking for love.
At first I thought it would be an oestrogen-infused nightmare, but as I got to know the women, all well-educated and successful (including bankers, a lawyer, a top fashion buyer, a media executive and an art historian), we bonded over our inability to find our male match.
Some of the bankers confessed to resorting to affairs with married men at work, which was depressing, but mostly we concluded we were unable to find what we were looking for because like-minded men of our age didn’t exist.
Why? Because our male counterparts were looking for something completely different.
I have been single for the past four years and have dated a handful of men. As far as I can see, they fall into two distinct camps. There are the overgrown ‘kidults’ – men who have degenerated into hopeless commitment-phobes and just want to have ‘fun’ (ie lots of sex) with taut twenty-somethings. They just seem to seek endless couplings, often facilitated by the internet.
Then there are the successful, solvent divorcés who are so determined to find wife number two pronto that they approach dating like a cold business transaction.
A first date with a corporate-style player is as relaxing as a high-pressure job interview (for a job you’re not sure you want) as they mentally tick boxes and suss your potential worth on the marriage market.
I have been asked before the starter ‘So what is it that you are looking for in a relationship?’ and by pudding I’ve been told in unstinting detail exactly what he wants.
Believe me, in all this it’s not a case of us women being unrealistic or fussy. It’s our male counterparts who are more exacting, arrogant and demanding than we could ever be, and who have this vile presumption that they are some kind of sought-after prize that we would be so lucky to ‘get’.
For once, they feel in a position of power in the sex war – and they are exploiting it for all it’s worth.
One City high-flyer told me over dinner in a slick Mayfair restaurant that he couldn’t contemplate a relationship with a woman with whom he didn’t have compatible skin tone. He ordered me to whip off my watch so we could compare our natural skin colour.
He also boasted that he had a strong awareness of aesthetics and had already clocked my accessories (yuk!). He turned out to be obscenely wealthy – when I asked where he lived, he said ‘on a plane’, meaning his private plane.
I realised, during our evening together, when he rattled off the story of his divorce, proudly announcing that he had left her, that he was one of the many male divorcés stung by handing over huge alimonies and who secretly hate women and are after only unchallenging trophy wives.
These men are so adept at sizing you up – your wealth and your looks – that they don’t bother to see who you really are. And they don’t care that an intelligent forty-something woman like me seeks a spark of recognition, of mutual companionship and respect.”
*Back To Mu*: the article continues on in this vein, ending with something about Pasternak and her erstwhile MILF colleagues waiting for a miracle in the form of a straight, single, good looking and successful man over 40, who doesn’t have commitment phobia, a roving eye for all them Pretty Young Things, and doesn’t view these ladies as the next business transaction. Nevermind the fact that these ladies are bringing with them a good bit of baggage to begin with-in Pasternak’s case literally, since she has a kid and is a singlemom-but we’re supposed to forget all about that.
Hmm.
I wasn’t able to locate Pasternak’s birthdata (if someone out there has it, by all means send it along!) but the Daily Mail website also published a clocktime along with the calendar date her piece was published: Jul 30 2009 8.59AM BDST, which, using Placidus houses, gives an Asc of about 14 Virgo. The ever-critical Maiden. Why am I not surprised?
This chart, which is a kind of Horary, given that Ms. Pasternak has asked a seemingly earnest question in which she has a vested interest in its outcome, suggests that it can yield much information not only for her but for the rest of us as well.
As mentioned above, Virgo rises, giving us Mercury as its ruler; these would describe Ms. Pasternak and certainly makes sense. Moreover, we note that Saturn-age-is rising in the Virgo Asc-Pasternak’s concerns and worries over getting older and being a spinster (Saturn), and as well we note that the Moon, significator of women everywhere, is Fallen in Scorpio, and in the 3 house of article and essay writing, newspapers and websites. Like I said, it seems this chart is a good fit to the matters at hand.
The 3 house is also that of questions of all kinds, and the Moon in a Horary chart suggests the querent’s mental and emotional state at the time the question was asked. Here it suggests that Pasternak isn’t thinking clearly on these issues, or that she has, forgive me, delusions of granduer. Why do I say that?
Well, aside from the Moon being Fallen to begin with, it is also tightly square Mercury, the thinking and rational planet. Its placement in the 12 house certainly doesn’t help things, and shows Pasternak certainly suffering as a result of her loneliness. The Moon then takes full centerstage in my view here, and again it is not well placed. Both these planets, the Moon and Mercury, don’t acquit Pasternak well in this map with regard to attracting the high quality mates she desires.
But there’s another major factor at work in this chart and that both figuratively and literally, clouds her judgment-note how both the Asc ruler AND Moon, are in aspect to Neptune. In the former case, its by opposition, and in the latter via square. Note also how strong these aspects are, for two reasons: one because they occur in Fixed Signs; and two, because the aspects in both cases, are applying. This means that it will be very hard for Pasternak to see that her expectations for what she can reasonably expect in a mate at this point in her life are incredibly unrealistic, and rather than to face that fact, it is easier to go on blaming others (the men she calls “kidults” in the piece; note that Uranus is in the 7 house, and that Neptune, ruler of the 7, is opposed the Asc ruler Mercury!) for her own failings. Afterall, what “straight, solvent, single” guy would want a woman who’s not only 40, but divorced by one man and had a kid by another, and is now a singlemom? I mean, really.
Note also that Jupiter is conjunct Neptune, and thus is brought into the mix. As we all know, Jupiter tends to puff up anything it comes into contact with, and here we can see that it puffed up Pasternak’s ideas about herself, shown by Mercury’s placement in Leo as well. That may have been true 20 years or so ago, when she was young and vivacious, before the bad marriage and kid came along. But, as Saturn rising in the Virgo Asc clearly shows, the years have not been kind-and she must now take stock of these facts and act accordingly.
Simply put, had Ms. Pasternak had consulted me instead of writing such an article in pain and anguish, I would have told her to “settle”-her days of attracting high powered “players” are over. There is nothing preventing her from getting a loving, stable relationship from a good guy, but it is likely that he is not going to be of the high achieving sort that she’s accustomed to. Much more likely that he’s a blue collar guy (note Neptune, ruler of the 7, in the 6 house of employees, NOT bosses; Neptune=”service work”), perhaps a social worker, or something along those lines. But innany event, w/the years wearing on in very obvious ways, w/a child on her own and a divorce in the back mirror, I would advise Ms. Pasternak to have reduced, more realistic expectations, and to have a much less critical (Virgo rising) attitude to the men she’s about to meet, to be much more outgoing and friendly, and to SMILE a lot more as well. Something tells me she doesn’t do that a lot, particularly around men.
And, as Pasternak states at the beginning of her piece, she is by no means alone. The greatly changed dating scene has meant that more women than ever are accomplished, but also are more often than not alone as well. And to add insult to injury, many of these same women are nearing the end of their most attractive years-yet many of them are in the same boat as Pasternak, demanding that they be able to snag the top of the heap men regardless of their own actions over the past few decades, and when that doesn’t happen (because, you know, men aren’t supposed to have “choice” too, only women), then they are man-boys who won’t commit, and some such nonsense. Sure, there may well be some truth to all that, but the fact remains, that there are tradeoffs in all things-Saturn teaches us this, and it seems, based on the chart I have in front of me, Ms. Pasternak is getting a crash course in this lesson as well. If you wish to spend your most fertile years slutting/partying it up, chasing the corporate dream, or making bad decisions as to who will be your baby daddy, you can’t then turnaround and blame all other men when they aren’t too gung ho to pickup the pieces that have been two decades in the making. At least not the topmost guys who have options, anyway.
I think, as the New Grrl Order wears on, it will be important for us astrologers to disabuse our lady clients over a certain age of all their grave misconceptions in these areas. If we do, we will be doing the world a great service.
Holla back
The Obsidian
I realize that. I was a history undergraduate myself. But the system as a whole is terribly inefficient when compared with other advanced countries.
I agree, and actually think scholarships should only be granted for hard sciences. Liberal farts would be a waste of pulic monies.
Although in general, unis have all become liberal re-education camps for brainwashing kids. Evo-psych and reality-based POVs (like on here) are strictly forbidden in these campuses and are career suicide for any profs who attempt to set the record straight.
I actually have a friend who’s faculty, and is forced to keep most of his liberally-incorrect viewpoints on the hush.
Point being, university is currently a HUGE societal detriment politically – since they are all pro-NAM, feminist strongholds.
O,
Believe it or not, I read that bit of claptrap. There’s an even more on point Daily Mail article written by Rowan Pelling on Aug 17th, whose topic is, “I’ve slept with 40 men, but should I admit it to my boyfriend?”
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1206927/Rowan-Pellings-sex-advice-column-Ive-slept-40-men-I-admit-boyfriend.html#comments#ixzz0PVIR81R8
The themes are the same…well-traveled (and I don’t mean geographically) women in their 30′s and up, whining and complaining that men should take them as they are, no matter how much baggage they possess and bad decisions they made.
I agree with you we’ll see more *cougars.* however, instead of hot (for them) surgery enhanced women looking for one-nighters, we’ll see them looking for the guys who don’t want them. It’s about to get more popularized too. There’s a new series about to start called Cougartown or Cougarville starring Courtney Cox as a hot 40-something doing, well, whatever. Now I think she looks good for her age, but there is no comparison to that woman in Ace Ventura or early Friends. None whatsoever. But the average hausfrau in th US will think that is okay more and more, and certainly don’t look like the size 2 CC likely is.
I’m in Scottsdale right now, the primordial fetid and festering pond from which cougardom seems to have oozed. If this is any example for what’s to come, things will be truly ugly indeed. The divorce rate here is circa 63%, and guess who’s doing it?
Literally every non-married 30-something women I’ve met in the last several years save for only one (and she’s become a good friend) has the baby rabies and wants their accessory, I mean, kid(s) yesterday. When I ask what they’ve been doing the last decade+ all you get are dissembling answers, and the usual ‘men are commitment-phobic’ answers. Funny, they are usually the easiest, so I’m quite certain those are high mileage units indeed.
Now I confess to knowing absolutely nothing of astrology and understand not a word of your analysis, save for the summation, which I agree with.
What you see occurring on a larger scale is that, with respect to women in their 30′s and haven’t married, they’ve ‘focused on their career’ & happily rode the sausage roller coaster of fun for 10+ years, is an absolute freaking out that there is an ever-shrinking market for the wares they peddle. Of course, like any good salesman (woman), they have to convince themselves their product is a good one so they can convince others it is too… The practical import to me as a guys is that these women generally are so ‘independent,’ until they don’t want to be anymore, and want a guy to provide it.
So, ya, I agree with you.
The *cougs* are a slightly different kettle of fish. Originally hailing from upper middle class locations where husband made top 2% or more money ($200k+) she usually married mid to late 20′s & maybe squeezed out a kid or two, all the while staying fit & trim via the exclusive gym club membership and not working. When in the later 30′s after approx. 10 years of marriage, not working and acquiring some good property via hubby’s work, she decides to cash out. It’s no coincidence that cougs started during the real estate run-up, when cashing out became a really good idea.
Now after cashing out, the coug wants to play using hubby’s money. Contrast this with her 30-40′s never married compatriots, who seek the guy to provide, the coug was already provided for.
That’s looking at it from an original coug standpoint. The definition of a coug now is pretty much any divorced broad over 35, with no top end. More often than not, they don’t have much $ from upper middle to upper class divorce, so they are now competing with their unmarried girlfriends for the new dude to take care of them. They too, don’t want to think they made any bad decisions.
The screeching and wailing has only just begun, for men here in their 30′s & 40′s see them for what they are, and are ignoring them in droves, but for a quick pump & dump.
Byrdeye,
While I agree w/many of your points wrt the current day Academy, I must call into question your use of the term “NAM” in assigning blame for the way things are today. Let’s keep in mind, that most Black kids coming out of America’s inner city schools are going on to university to begin with; most, if they go at all, begin at the community college level, which I think is quite appropriate for a host of reasons.
In the main, those Black kids who are going on to college are often from the “overclasses” of Blacks, for whom Affirmative Action is a hotly debated topic. Some argue that they shouldn’t receive it because of their relative privileged status, others take the opposite view. I see both sides of the debate and don’t have a fixed view one way or another.
But the point is that it would be unwise to hang the failure of higher education around the necks of kids who in all likielihood aint gonna wind up at the Harvards and Yales of the world anyway, simply because of the crappy state of American inner city public schools to begin with. The problems on the campus have much more relevant culprits, like the largely White Feminist Studies Dept’s, and the like.
Just wanted to point that out. We have got to get out of this nasty habit of scapegoating.
Lastly, I personally think things are the way they are, because its profitable. Think about it-the unis make money hand over fist, regardless of whether the kids who go there actually learn anything or if they do, whether they are actually applicable to the realworld. And this persists because we as a society have bought into the hype that says, only those who have lambskins on their walls are not only fit to have better jobs, but just are better people, period. Having a degree means much more than mere earning potential-its a social credential, a status marker, and for some, a way of announcing in so many words, your IQ. Its a way of seperating yourself from the Great Unwashed, and guess what?-for all the cheering the Frank Riccis and Joe The Plumbers get, NONE OF YOU would actually want to BE them. Which is why, when it comes to forums and venues like these, one can count on one hand, if they’re lucky, the number of blue collar guys who actually participate. That’s not by accident-the uni experience and all it entails, actually winds up seperating more people than they bring together.
So, to me, on so many levels, discussions to me are a lot like pissing contests between rival groups of boys at school, its a bunch of ado about nothing, other than a kind of bragging rights. No one is really interested in changing things, because no one really wants to be the de facto Niggers of Society, doing its dirty work-hence why we stole a bunch of folk from one continent, shuffled around the existing folk here, and in more recent years, started importing folk from South of the Border there.
Holla back
The Obsidian
Vino,
Yupper, we’ve only seen the beginnings of the fallout from the Sexual Revolution begun in the latter 60s and which continued on throughout the 70s and into the early 80s, when things kinda slowed down a bit due to the HIV/AIDS epidemic. Many of the Women born during that time were brought up on what I think are clearly delusional thinking and ideas-and now, as I’ve noted above in my piece, Saturn’s bringing a dead reckoning.
I’m familiar w/the other “advice” piece, Ferdinand wrote about it here recently, and no surprise, not once does the article ever asks its female readers for any shred of personal accountability. Now before the howling starts, for the record, I have no problem w/any Woman doing whatever she wants w/her body. What I DO have a problem with is the idea that she shouldn’t have to pay any consequences for her actions. And the more I hear stuff about “double standards” and the like the more I’m convinced that we have a real problem on our hands-one’s consequences for actions taken shouldn’t be based on the actions of others.
What so many Women haven’t taken into account is the simple fact that Men would respond to the Sexual Revolution in their own ways, many of them not so good. Simply put, it is not in a Man’s interests in our time to take on such an investment, and in truth, he doesn’t have to. Maybe more of these Women should have studied things like basic Econ 101 to better understand theories like Economic Man and Incentives.
Hmm.
The Obsidian
Sofia, Mike, Bardamu;
Fat and ugly.
Come on, you’ve never seen a fat woman who’s face was “beautiful”?
Also, in the USA currently Beyonce is considered “fat”, so no, I don’t equate that kind of “fat” with “ugliness”.
By the way, my wife is super slender so don’t start on that, “you’re a black man so you are automatically attracted to fat women”.
NOT!
O,
I think we are in agreement. To use a phrase as applied to the military, “Freedom isn’t free.” Whether that freedom is to pursue career, bang dozens, or whatever, there is a cost involved, and the law (or is it rule?) of unintended consequences.
“Simply put, it is not in a Man’s interests in our time to take on such an investment, and in truth, he doesn’t have to. Maybe more of these Women should have studied things like basic Econ 101 to better understand theories like Economic Man and Incentives.”
- I hear ya. Being well-versed in tax rule and policy this is one area where the dissonance is loudest. Or is that tone- deafness? If you make an endeavor so expensive (by price and/or tax), or cheap, you affect the behavior in predictable ways. Of course if they can convince a guy to pick up the tab, why learn that lesson? The convincing’s getting harder, though…
Vino,
Speaking of which, the feminists never thought to themselves: what happens if the guys aren’t going to college at the same or at least similar rate as the gals? How will this change they way guys and gals meet? Nope, no thought about that at all, and look at the result.
I’ve long been of the view that you should pay as little as possible when dealing w/Women. That may sound harsh, but if they make more than you to begin with, and if we’re talking about being independent and strong and all that, well, then why NOT she pay for things? Its only fair, right? Ahh, but you see, not too many Women want to sign on for that task. They want to be independent and strong, but they also want to be pampered too. Can’t get both, the world just doesn’t work that way. Otherwise, every Pauper would be a King.
So, the Law of Unintended Consequences will indeed extract its price from the ladies, whether they want it to or not. Bottomline, most of them will NOT land the high powered guy of their dreams, for the simple Econ 101 reasons of Supply and Demand-such guys will be in seriously short supply, and they would be crazy to settle down too soon before sampling all the lovely flowers in the garden. That means they will keep their options open for as long as they can, so all most of these ladies can hope for from such a guy is an extended Pump & Dump.
Next comes the second tier guys moneywise. If they have Game, it’ll make things go smoother, because he’ll have the skills and tools to win her over and keep her despite the financial disparity. Only problem here is, as we know, not many guys are that diligent w/Game to make any real headway.
And then finally, they’ll be the ultimate losers on the guy side, the Omegas. However, the great thing about the vast majority of em is that they won’t bother anyone, and will pretty much stay to themselves, on the margins of human interaction.
The biggest losers overall WILL be Women. Because one, there’s so many of em, and they’re living longer. Two, because there simply aren’t enough warm male bodies to begin with, let alone those w/high amounts f either Game or money/status or both. And three, because even if some of these ladies snag a highend player, chances are very slim she’ll be able to keep her, given the cultural You Go Grrl zeitgeist we’re currently in. There are entire cohorts of young Women now who can barely heat up a microwave dinner, let alone do much of anything else. Its very sad.
The Obsidian
“Come on, you’ve never seen a fat woman who’s face was “beautifulâ€?”
Yea, but beauty encompasses more than just the face. Have you ever seen a beautiful obese woman?
O, let’s not confuse SES with race here.
While I am not opposed to scholarships as a perk for those with high scores and perhaps with some preference towards low-income kids…
Race-based affirmative action is not this, though. It is based on race, purely – whether it’s Bill Cosby’s rich kids or not. So, why should a rich Black kid get a lowered bar over a poor Cambodian ESL immigrant? it’s unfair to the non-NAMs and also artificially intellectually handicaps our country. Something we can’t afford to do anymore with rising mental giants in the East as competition.
I do agree that Americans created these problems to begin with by importing cheap slave labor, instead of just doing that grunt work themselves.
OK, I definitely don’t think Beyonce is fat. There are a lot of plus sized women with pretty faces, but attraction encompasses the body too. If you’re proportionate, it might be OK, but oftentimes, even weight distribution is hard to come by.
The biggest losers overall WILL be Women. Because one, there’s so many of em, and they’re living longer. Two, because there simply aren’t enough warm male bodies to begin with, let alone those w/high amounts f either Game or money/status or both. And three, because even if some of these ladies snag a highend player, chances are very slim she’ll be able to keep her, given the cultural You Go Grrl zeitgeist we’re currently in. There are entire cohorts of young Women now who can barely heat up a microwave dinner, let alone do much of anything else. Its very sad.
I agree.
The thing that struck me about the Pasternak article was how entitled she sounded. Many of the men she describes as having dated in the article were wealthy, high-status men. And yet she funds faults with them. She clearly feels entitled, coming into the market in her 40s, nevertheless to a man with all of the classic boxes on the list checked. That’s a recipe for growing old with your cats. And I suspect that will be her fate.
The most telling sentence in the article, though, was this one:
For once, they feel in a position of power in the sex war – and they are exploiting it for all it’s worth.
You can clearly sense the frustration there, a frustration with reality as it is. Yes, honey, you had the position of power when you were in your 20s, but you don’t now. And that burns you up, doesn’t it. cupcake? Well, time to either adjust to the reality of your situation, or learn more about cats. And, uh, maybe you should have handled yourself in your 20s a tad differently? Just maybe?
Universities are very liberal institutions in general, but politics are usually barred from the classroom so this only comes through in inherently liberal studies like Women & Gender Studies. The PolSci classes I took were run by conservative professors (as gleaned from their personal publications), but no political affiliation shone through. I’m a philosophy undergraduate myself, which is apolitical, since it just comes down to studying logic, semantics, ontology, etc. etc.
“Yea, but beauty encompasses more than just the face. ”
AND it encompasses more than just the body. That’s why I rarely find “hot” women attractive. They give off such an unattractive, shallow vibe.
Nope, Americans didn’t import cheap slave labor, Europeans imported free slave labor, while the Americans were busy trying to hold on to their land.
Now that we are all “american citizens” (small a), I say our gov needs to make sure we get jobs first. After that, I have nothing against Asians filling in the rest of the jobs. If we have a shortage of engineers or doctors in this country, then we can bring in the Asians. But citizens of america should be given first preference in – america.
As the son, brother, husband and father of females, I feel I should say something in their defense.
Just as we men may have been fed lies by the feminist movement, sexual revolution, pop culture and media, women have too. They were/are just as lost and clueless as we were/are.
Just as we were brainwashed not to care how many men women slept with, they were similarly brainwashed.
Even now you will hardly ever find a “condom” moment in a movie with a sex scene. Somehow the risk of disease/death/unwanted pregnancy/child support or the simultaneous appearance of all of the above is supposed to not exist.
This is perhaps one reason why teens and college kids think themselves so untouchable.
“As the son, brother, husband and father of females, I feel I should say something in their defense.”
Lol, you sure know a lot about the female perspective, for a “Black Military *grunt* Man.” Although constantly trying to reiterate here that you are a man.
So, how much do you know about being in the military or being a man? How do you treat women and how do they respond to you?
I was born and bred in a military family. I treat women with respect and they more often than not reciprocate.
Maybe it’s a military thing.
But as far as the “fallout” of feminism and the sexual revolution………. here’s a doozy;
http://www.blogher.com/no-kids-what-am-i-missing
Nova,
Basically “Bun n Run”, or as my White brothers would say, “Pump & Dump”, is essentially a Man’s game-very few if Women can actually play to win. This is another reason why the biggest losers in the New Grrl Order will be Women, because they’re playing a game they cannot win.
This is why I am of the view that on average, Women aren’t very good longterm thnkers. Think about it, when’s the last time you saw a female version of Bobby Fischer?
See what I mean? ;)
The Obsidian
“I treat women with respect and they more often than not reciprocate.”
LMFAO, I have never heard a real man, much less a military man, from this generation claim that. You have just outed yourself. I mean, seriously…women (especially with all the sloots in the military) reciprocate respect??
GTFOH sparky!!! Like a true feminist, you have NO ETHICS and playing dirty is one of your primary tactics.
Chess is an interesting subtopic. It’s one of those areas feminists hate, because while feminists will concede that men are on average bigger and physically stronger (hence separate sports), they do not concede anything mentally, despite the bell curve differences between men and women. Chess is a thorn in the side of those feminist ideas, though, because at the highest levels, women cannot beat male chess champs without handicapping (i.e., removing pieces from the men at the start of the game). That indicates another inconvenient truth about the bell curve, and mental gender differences between men and women.
On Bobby Fischer on women and chess, there’s an interesting video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdA7I9nPhSU
But as far as the “fallout†of feminism and the sexual revolution………. here’s a doozy;
http://www.blogher.com/no-kids-what-am-i-missing
Although she would never, in a million years, admit that feminism has anything to do with where she finds herself in life.
“LMFAO, I have never heard a real man, much less a military man, from this generation claim that”….
Well, you just did!
Read it and weep.
Lol, it’s sooo obvious…
You are not Black.
You are not military.
You are NOT a man.
You ARE the feminist troll, sparky!
Now scram!
Could be a generation gap thing. I’m over 40.
Salam.
I disagree, I think women will be perfectly happy at maximizing their sex with Alphas, for as long as they can, and being alone afterwards.
After all, there is television. Cats. Other older women. Kids. Perhaps three by different fathers (something clearly women like and enjoy). So what if the brothers and sisters don’t care about each other and often fight?
Women are perfectly happy to trade sex NOW with as many Alpha guys, and Alpha thuglets, for companionship later.
Uh-huh.
What branch are you in, what’s your rank, position and when was the last time you were down range?
“Do you really think the only reason men like women is that they are physically arousing?”
No, but it’s a crucial component that can’t be neglected. All romantic love starts down below.
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