Filed under Sociology
The folly of anti-anti-Semitism
About a month ago, on my post on anti-Semitism, Sparks123 asked me why I refused to label myself an anti-anti-Semite. The answer is that I think anti-anti-Semitic hysteria is a growing melanoma on the American body politic. While I’m not fond of the conspiracy-mongering on the anti-Semitic right, I’m not stupid – a group of basement-dwelling losers having a circle jerk on a blog aren’t a threat to anyone but themselves. Jim Giles will not be spearheading the rise of the Fourth Reich from his trailer out in the ass-end of Mississippi. Those lunatics are marginalized and have no influence beyond their social circles, which are only populated with people as crazy as they are. The biggest problem with anti-Semitism of that variety right now is that it threatens to clip the wings of the alternative right.
Anti-anti-Semites on both the left and right, on the other hand, are very powerful and very committed to shouting and shutting down anyone who has a less-than-hagiographic view of the Jews. Anti-anti-Semitism is bolstered beyond the usual minority-loving anti-racist whinging by the semi-unique instance of the Holocaust. Liberals and neocons have spent the past sixty plus years constantly picking at that Holocaust wound in one of the biggest and most ignored examples of scar worship in Western society. The Holocaust cult is so powerful that an entire European nation is forced to self-flagellate constantly for a crime that the majority of its inhabitants had no role in. And anyone who questions the influence Jews have on modern society gets a roundhouse kick in the face from the Foxman-Schlussel-Victimologist crowd: “OMIGOD YOU FILTHY NEO-NAZI SCUM YOU WANT TO STUFF JEWS IN OVENS YOU AWFUL PERSON YOU!”
The logic behind anti-anti-Semitism is, on the surface, sound. If the logical conclusion of anti-Semitism is ghettos and gas chambers, then ideas and statements that could potentially go down that road must be snuffed out in the womb. But what causes anti-Semitism? The liberal explanation is the same as the ones for racism and every -ism on their hit list – ignorance, selfishness, and people not letting the LOVE into their hearts and being big meanies. The Judeophobes will say that anti-Semitism exists because teh Joooos secretly rule the world and they are on to their Jewy tricks. Both sides are wrong.
The reason anti-Semitism exists can be explained with a simple quote I have used twice in the past two weeks: “proximity + diversity = war.” Like I explained on Tuesday, human beings are tribal, and multiple tribes in the same space will always be at each others’ throats. The beauty of Roissy’s equation is that it can be applied to any ethnic tension in any country on Earth, whether its the Quebecois in Canada, Chinese in Malaysia, or the Kurds in Turkey. No kooky tinfoil hat theories, no fudging facts, no insanity. Essentially, so long as the Jews remain visible minorities in gentile societies, anti-Semitism will persist. It will fluctuate in intensity, but it will never go away. If the anti-anti-Semites really wanted to accomplish their goal, they’d launch a campaign to get every Jew outside of the Holy Land to make aliyah, combined with a political push to get the U.S. government out of Israeli affairs.
The biggest sin of the anti-anti-Semitic crusaders is their insistence on painting all gentiles with the same broad brush. Their worldview is as Manichean as it gets, and doesn’t account for the differing treatments of Jews in various countries and regions of the world. On one end of the spectrum you have Nazi Germany and the Holocaust. Moving down you find Czarist Russia, where state-sanctioned anti-Semitic mob violence was so common a word had to be invented to describe it. On the extreme other end is the U.S., the most philo-Semitic nation that doesn’t have a Star of David in its flag. While Jews were legally discriminated against in the early years of America’s existence (as were all immigrant groups), the U.S. was far kinder to the tribe then any pre-WWII European nation. The only Jew to ever be killed in America because of his religion was Leo Frank, an Atlanta factory manager who was framed for the murder of one of his workers. Frank’s lynching in 1915 was ironically the inspiration for the founding of the Anti-Defamation League. American-born evangelical churches are by and large enthusiastically Zionist (see: John Hagee, Pat Robertson), and the U.S. is home to the largest population of Jews outside of Israel. The anti-anti-Semites don’t care about any of this historical nuance, though – to them, Americans, like all other goyim, are two steps away from arbeit macht frei.
This intolerant, inquisition-like treatment of anyone who criticizes the Jews is problematic because it turns ordinary people into frothing-at-the-mouth Jew-haters over time. You keep hitting a man, sooner or later he’s gonna start hitting back. Robert Lindsay recently wrote an interesting post on the evolution of Kevin MacDonald’s views of the Jews. Lindsay writes:
My theory is that the increasingly vicious and malign Jewish attacks on MacDonald (almost completely specious on intellectual grounds) gradually drove him to anti-Semitism. This is how it works so many times. People start criticizing the Jews. The Jews will brook no criticism not of their own, and since the Holocaust, anyone who says boo about them obviously wants to kill em all, right?
Non-Jewish critics are savagely attacked, and dirty attacks are launched on their careers, reputations, etc. A lot of Gentile critics of the Jews actually like Jews, and they try for a while to reason with their Jewish attackers. Always a futile exercize, and the Jews never give in or back off. A lot of crtics just throw in the towel and give the Jews the abject, groveling apologies that they demand. Even after that, the critics are not really out of the woods, and the Jews treat them gingerly as if they were parolees of uncertain rectitude. But at least the smears stop.
But a lot of others won’t give in. So the attacks escalate, and often the Jews issue physical threats. Physical attacks of various types are not unusual. Jews are scary people. You don’t fuck with them.
One thing you notice is that the critics who don’t give in start becoming increasingly anti-Semitic with time. They’re probably getting more and more enraged by the attacks, and the attacks start making them dislike Jews in general. So we see how Jews often create and increase the virulence of the very anti-Semites they claim to hate so much. But I secretly think that many Jews need anti-Semites and would go nuts if all the anti-Semites disappeared tomorrow.
I don’t agree with Lindsay that Jews, outside of the hyper-PC ADL types, really want anti-Semites around, but the rest of his thesis is spot on. By viciously attacking critics of Jewish behavior, Jews and their hangers-on are creating their own worst enemies.
For some more examples closer to home, take a look at this spat that occurred in the right-o-sphere. Recently, Half Sigma has been boosting Elena Kagan’s nomination to the Supreme Court. Half Sigma is a conservative and Kagan is a radical leftist, but they both happen to be Jews. Dennis Mangan wrote a post commenting on how Half Sigma refused to publish a comment of his asking if he was “support[ing] Kagan out of ethnic solidarity” and critiquing his explanations as to why there are so many Jews on the Supreme Court. Half Sigma’s catty, bitchy response was to yank Dennis from his blogroll. Dennis also recently remarked on how he and Steve Sailer are being accused of anti-Semitism by some joker running around in Steveosphere comment sections. Hell, on my post in which I lambasted anti-Semites, some idiot accused ME of being an anti-Semite because of my pseudonym. You simply can’t win with these people.
As of right now, the anti-anti-Semites are in the seat of power. The marriage of left-wing multiculturalism and Holocaust worship ensure that anyone with an opinion of the Jews that isn’t Abe Foxman-approved will spend the rest of their lives in the shadows. But multiculturalism is being exposed for the hollow sham that it is, and the death camps at Auschwitz and Birkenau will fade from memory, to be remembered only as words and pictures, as is the fate of all history. I still think the anti-Semites, save for the Hunter Wallace/Pat Hannagan pro-white types, are deluded and dishonest, but the actions of the anti-anti-Semites may very well swell their ranks. If Kristallnacht comes to America, the Jewish elite will have only themselves to blame for behaving like inquisitors burning heretics at the stake. As I have said before, I write this not to threaten but to warn. (And I bet that despite writing all that, I’ll get some assclown accusing me of being a Nazi within the first hundred comments on this post. Bring on the hate, bitches. I’m ready.)
And speaking of Kevin MacDonald, my copy of The Culture of Critique arrived in the mail yesterday. Look for a review and analysis in the coming weeks.
What’s interesting to me is that 20 million Soviets died in WWII and this is completely eclipsed by the Holocaust in public memory. All of E. Europe was devastated, but because those deaths were less targeted, they are not a concern.
Up until the 19th century when assimilation began to occur the Jews were definitely an unembraced obvious minority in Europe. Their religious traditions set them utterly apart which did not endear them to their goyim neighbors. You can’t have that kind of proximity + diversity without both sides taking it up some. I mean, quite a lot of the historical evidence of the shtetl and other Jewish/Gentile interaction went up in smoke ’round about 1942, but there had to have been some real oxygen wastes in the population. Any group of people has its villains. All that has been burned clean by the Holocaust, though. Victims, victims: they were all victims. Never did anything to anybody.
A book I read a few years ago, Postville: A Clash of Cultures in Heartland America by Stephen Bloom explored this in some depth. I found it fascinating.
What enrages me about these people is that the same people who will say “never again!” about the Holocaust were often sympathetic to regimes doing it to gentiles for different reasons. You’d think that they would have been clamoring at the UN for a Nuremburg-like trial of the Soviet leaders after the Soviet Union fell, for example, you’d think that Jewish politicians would adamantly support the recognition of the Armenian genocide…
hell, you’d think they’d even demand full and equal recognition of the OTHER 6M victims of the Holocaust…
First hundred comments? Well, it’s good to be optimistic…
*Right-wing* annti-Semitism is not much of a threat in the U.S. at the present time; this is far from true of *Left-wing* anti-Semitism…which usually starts as “anti-Zionism” but rapidly moves in a full anti-Semitic direction.
Observe that “progressive” hostility to Israel correlates about 90% with hostility to the U.S. and indeed toward Western civilization in general.
“anti-anti-Semite” is cover for “anti-non-philosemite”. This works with “anti-anti-Communist”, too. If you don’t love [Judaism|Communism] and all its works, you’re the enemy.
HalfSigma pulled Mangan from his blogroll?!?!
I’m surprised that you regard Hunter Wallace somewhat positively. I’ve only read a few of his posts (none in the last year or so), but I get a horrible impression of him from GuyWhite (who I undoubtedly respect).
[I disagree with Hunter on some things, but I respect him for trying to pull the pro-white right in more positive, productive directions. Plus, he was kind enough to add me to his blogroll, which helps. Speaking of Guy White, the two ended their feud recently. - ed.]
As a member of The Tribe and a regular visitor here, I think you might point out that the problem is not so much anti-anti-semitism, but the selective nature of such. Those Jews (like many in my family, I’m sorry to say) still fear the “Christian Right”, whom they are convinced are planning the return of Auschwitz and Dachau, while giving a pass to the likes of Ahmadinjehad, who has made no bones about his desire to exterminate Israel.
And yes, your point about the selective application of “never again” is well-taken. I’ve been saying the same thing for years.
And finally, I would suggest that those Jews who are so sensitive about anti-semitism are those who seem unconcerned about the Holocaust we bring to ourselves through intermarriage and embrace of all the latest fashions in feminism and homosexuality resulting in our failure to breed a next generation.
Sestamibi,
I am also a MOT, politically conservative but non-religious. Your characterization of intermarriage as a Holocaust is very arguable. Intermarried families may have descendants (genetic continuity), some of whom may choose to identify as Jewish (cultural continuity). Exterminated families have no continuity. Having said that, I have to admit that I find it challenging sometimes to be too concerned about Jewish cultural continuity when it is so closely linked with a religion I dislike (especially the orthodox variants) and irritating political leftism and PCism.
I don’t know any Jews like this, to be honest. The Jews I know are a lot like me: chatty, brainy, a little on the nerdy side. Most of them are either married to non-Jews or don’t take their religion at all seriously. Seems obvious to me that Jews in America will either be extinct or Orthodox within the next hundred years.
I know that the *public* face of Judaism is different, but aren’t you really pointing to race hustlers?
“What’s interesting to me is that 20 million Soviets died in WWII and this is completely eclipsed by the Holocaust in public memory.”
It’s not “eclipsed” at all. In fact, a lot of the slack the Soviet Union got from the global left in the post war era was because of sympathy for the millions they lost fighting the Nazis. But a distinction is made between those who were rounded up and murdered — men, women, and children — simply because they happened to belong to a certain group, versus those who were killed in a war between the Soviet Union and its erstwhile ally Nazi Germany.
“If Kristallnacht comes to America, the Jewish elite will have only themselves to blame”
I’m not calling you an anti-Semite, so don’t twist this, but the idea that the Jews are to blame for their own persecution is an old one, and one you’ll read in the comments on blogs such as Mangan’s. In truth, most German Jews, for example, were loyal, patriotic, and proud Germans, as is probably the case with most American Jews.
[They're not to blame in all cases, but specifically this one, considering America's history of philo-Semitism. - ed.]
And, honestly, the causation here is kind of b.s. Foxman annoys you. He annoys me too. Is that going to prompt you to smash in the window of a Jewish business? Of course not. Jesse Jackson annoys me. Is he going to prompt me to burn down a black church? Again, of course not. The evil in men’s hearts prompts them to do evil, not the rantings of a few obnoxious individuals.
[Of course not, because we're intelligent, peaceful people. The effect comes primarily from the radicalization of influential people who subsequently infect the body politic with their views. Kevin MacDonald, for instance, is regarded as a god among the anti-Semitic, white nationalist right. In his post, Lindsay mentioned that as recently as 2006 (when he interviewed him), MacDonald was a Judeophile. Now he's an anti-Semite. If folks like him become more important, the chance of the average, not-as-discerning American becoming more anti-Semitic increases. It's a feedback loop.]
What’s weird here is that some of these paranoid lefty Jewish-Americans view Southern Rednecks, of mostly British ancestry, as potential Nazis, while seemingly totally ignoring the tens of millions of bona-fide GERMANS who demographically dominate the American Northwest. WTF?
I’m not calling you an anti-Semite, so don’t twist this, but the idea that the Jews are to blame for their own persecution is an old one
But is it true?
As a member of The Tribe and a regular visitor here, I think you might point out that the problem is not so much anti-anti-semitism, but the selective nature of such. Those Jews (like many in my family, I’m sorry to say) still fear the “Christian Right”, whom they are convinced are planning the return of Auschwitz and Dachau
Thanks for mentioning this, as when non-Jews point it out we get called neo-Nazis.
As they say with addiction, the first step is admitting that a problem exists. I’m seeing other Jews on this thread who still can’t admit that.
The Jewish belief that the “Christian Right” is in any way similar to the Nazis is moronic, and its hard to understand how otherwise intelligent people could believe it. As you say, it’s not ALL Jews at issue. But it’s a pretty sgnificant number, and they make up a lot of what Erza Levant calls “official Jewery”.
Very good post Ferdinand.
The problem with any discussion of Jewish issues in the public sphere is that by merely participating in the discussion, one leaves oneself open to the charge of anti-Semitism when one brooks any criticism of Jews. The reality is, that in Australia, as I imagine in the U.S. as soon as one makes any criticism (even if good intentioned) it’s immediately assumed that you’re anti-Semitic. I’ve unfortunately been publically subject to the charge when criticising some of Israel’s policy’s, only to find in my disgust that many of my critics were virulent anti-Semites privately!
The radicalisation mechanism that you of speak of is true. John Mearscheimer, who wrote what I thought was a fairly objective paper, seems to have lost some of his objectivity as a result of the torrent of abuse he got from publishing the paper, even though everybody in the know, knows that what he said is true.
But the mechanism works the other way as well. The Jewish embrace of the Left has probably come about through this mechanism as well. Imagine you’re a young aspiration Jewish boy in Tsarist Russia. All you want to do is fit in and climb the social ranks, you’re loyal and honest. However the system you aspire to, constantly treats you unfairly, is it any surprise that you’re going to end up hostile to the system? Furthermore, you’re gonna support the people who promise to stop the abuse.
Imagine you’re a young aspiration Jewish boy in Tsarist Russia.
should be
Imagine you’re a young aspirational Jewish boy in Tsarist Russia.
Oops.
The answer is that I think anti-anti-Semitic hysteria is a growing melanoma on the American body politic.
Really? Criticism of Israel is becoming increasingly vogue and younger Jews are largely indifferent toward Israel. See “The Failure of the American Jewish Establishment” by Peter Beinhart and “The Answer Is Jon Stewart” by MJ Rosenberg
[Most criticism of Israel is from the left, who are approaching from the "non-whites are always right angle." And the fact that younger Jews are disconnected from Jewish culture doesn't mean the establishment that's been in place for the past few decades will disappear overnight. - ed.]
The reason anti-Semitism exists can be explained with a simple quote I have used twice in the past two weeks: “proximity + diversity = war.” Like I explained on Tuesday, human beings are tribal, and multiple tribes in the same space will always be at each others throats.
Jews only make up 2% of the American population, are shrinking demographically and don’t commit crimes. So why does there exist a higher degree of anti-Semitic views than say anti-Asian views? I’d say largely because of petty jealousy over the degree of Jewish success in the United States. This is bourn out with numbers showing that minorities and the less educated are more likely to hold anti-Semitic views.
[See: the stupidity of anti-Semitism.]
The marriage of left-wing multiculturalism and Holocaust worship ensure that anyone with an opinion of the Jews that isn’t Abe Foxman-approved will spend the rest of their lives in the shadows.
And yet Pat Buchanan still finds a way to get on “Morning Joe.”
[He's MSNBC's house reactionary, a fossil held over as a horrible example for the kids. Try getting anyone else on those shows.]
I still think the anti-Semites, save for the Hunter Wallace/Pat Hannagan pro-white types, are deluded and dishonest, but the actions of the anti-anti-Semites may very well swell their ranks.
If anti-Semitism has a prayer of revival, it would come from so-called NAMs. I’ve wondered if WNs are so obsessed with Jews that they’d be willing to accept a 40% Hispanic America in exchange for the government pulling support from Israel.
[Aside from Hoste and his buddies, I don't think they would.]
proximity + diversity = war
or
(superiority complex + rabid racial allegiance + double standards)proximity + diversity = war
I don’t know any Jews like this, to be honest. The Jews I know are a lot like me: chatty, brainy, a little on the nerdy side. Most of them are either married to non-Jews or don’t take their religion at all seriously. Seems obvious to me that Jews in America will either be extinct or Orthodox within the next hundred years.
This is true, but of course anti-Semites apply the one drop rule when it comes to Jewishness. If you’re a Lutheran with blond hair, blue eyes, and your name is Olaf Andersen, but your great-great-great grandmother was Jewish, you’re Jewish. So to anti-Semites, all these Jewish/non-Jewish intermarriages are producing more Jews than would be produced if Jews only married each other. Heck, people here are freely acknowledging that Jews will often label anyone who says anything critical of Jews as an anti-Semite. Well, in online fora where people’s real names are not known, anti-Semites immediately label anyone who says anything critical of anti-Semitism as a Jew. (I’m sure there are some anti-Semites reading this right now who are assuming that I’m Jewish.) So anti-Semites will never run out of Jews to hate.
of course anti-Semites apply the one drop rule when it comes to Jewishness. If you’re a Lutheran with blond hair, blue eyes, and your name is Olaf Andersen, but your great-great-great grandmother was Jewish, you’re Jewish.
In case you had not noticed, Jews are pretty good at this themselves. Especially when it comes to claiming some famous historical figure as Jewish.
in online fora where people’s real names are not known, anti-Semites immediately label anyone who says anything critical of anti-Semitism as a Jew.
You should read the post – such people are being labled “anti-anti-Semites”.
Jews only make up 2% of the American population, are shrinking demographically and don’t commit crimes. So why does there exist a higher degree of anti-Semitic views than say anti-Asian views?
It’s quite funny that on a blog post commenting on the tendency of “anti-anti-Semites” to spy anti-Semitism everywhere they look whether it’s there or not, anti-anti-Semites show up and illustrate the exact problem being described. What makes you thinks that this “higher degree of anti-Semitic views” actually exists?
Other than a lnk to the insanely anti-anti-Semitic ADL, that is. The SPLC is likewise not reliable. Got any FBI statistics?
Ferdinand,
You swallowed the red pill when you cut through the ideologies, abstractions, and political theater to identify the pivotal truth that humans are innately tribal. Each tribe in the human family, including THEM, has a natural and God-given right to determine its own destiny. It’s time we man up and take it back. It’s neither necessary nor moral to hate or hurt them, but it is necessary to exclude them from positions of power and influence over us.
If you have any questions while reading Culture of Critique, throw them at us. Email me personally, if you prefer. We’re game.
In case you had not noticed, Jews are pretty good at this themselves. Especially when it comes to claiming some famous historical figure as Jewish.
Who cares? My point was not about the insidiousness, or lack thereof, of Jews, but the stupidity of anti-Semites.
You should read the post – such people are being labled “anti-anti-Semites”.
Here, sure. But I’ve seen it done elsewhere. And if you’re saying that if “such people” should be labeled as anti-Semites, you’re saying that if someone merely thinks anti-Semitism is incorrect, and cares enough to ever publically state that belief, they should be labeled as some kind of activist whose primary goal is to combat anti-Semitism. Well, I think moon landing hoaxers are idiotic, but people don’t pop up accusing me of “anti-moon-landing-hoaxism.”
MOT, long time reader; just wanted to throw in my two cents:
Anti-anti-semite doesn’t exactly flow well; a better term that would fit in with your rough position is what Mark Steyn and Ezra Levant call the “Official Jews” when they criticize the likes of Bernie Farber and the CJC up in Canada. This is not so much an issue of Jews as it is of the Jewish establishment which are two different things. The problem with most of the Jewish establishment (as with the establishment in general) is that they are practically useless at doing anything but fighting the last war and are just trying to keep their organization afloat.
I don’t quite think that Roissy’s equation is clear cut answer to why antisemitism persists because not only are Jews an extremely small minority (clocking in at barely 2% and mostly concentrated in a couple of urban regions) but are also a group that is very largely prone to assimilation. When there’s a 52% intermarriage rate (probably 60% by now), its hard to argue that the reason we are hated is because the majority are stubbornly clinging to the old, isolated ways. That theory might fit if you were dealing only with a visibly different Jewish group like the Hasids but what about the majority of Jews that can’t really be distinguished from the rest of the white population?
[It's not a complete explanation. See my previous post on Hoste and anti-Semitic idiots. There's something about the Jews that makes people nuts. - ed.]
“If the anti-anti-Semites really wanted to accomplish their goal, they’d launch a campaign to get every Jew outside of the Holy Land to make aliyah, combined with a political push to get the U.S. government out of Israeli affairs.”
This was actually the core theory of Zionism, that if all the Jews were in their own country then they would be like everyone else and persecution would end. But even with the majority of Jews being in Israel today, antisemitism continues onward. Its like having to play a game rigged completely against you. If Jews are scattered everywhere then it angries up the blood of the natives. If Jews go back to the homeland and live there, said same natives get upset that we aren’t being nice to the people there trying to kill us. If Jews ended up in Antarctica, we’d be accused of being bad for the penguins. (As for the US involvement in Israel, American aid is what buys the US a very large veto over Israeli action; they’d probably be better off without it.)
[Herzl is still right. For all the kvetching the anti-Israel crowd does, Jews are still better off in their own country then in gentile ones. It's always safest to be in the majority.]
re: Kevin MacDonald: I don’t think that he was driven to antisemitism by Jewish opposition and attack on his positions. His problem is that he’s an academic that nobody takes seriously outside of the far fringe. Professors want to be taken seriously, to write articles that will be cited by others, to do the book and lecture circuit and maybe land a gig as a talking head on a news program. MacDonald isn’t able to get that and that is what makes him nuts. His problem is that he was born in the wrong time; in the 19th century he may have been respected and an advisor to men in power. In the early 20th century he may have been able to get that lecture circuit and writing for a major newspaper or magazine. Now his theories doesn’t fit in with the zeitgeist more than the Jews are holding him down. Jews can scream to high heaven about whatever they want but its the majority of Americans who decide whats in and whats out. Ward Churchill after all didn’t manage to hold onto his academic seat but MacDonald isn’t as far as I know under threat to lose his job. He picked a great position that he completely mismanaged for himself; with the Jews he gets just enough controversy to rock the boat (probably more than he wanted since its kept him from academic fame) but its not exactly the career killer writing about NAMs would be. The problem is that as Derb pointed out when he reviewed the material, he couldn’t put some sort of positive marketing into the work.
[I don't think MacDonald is an innocent angel in all of this. But there's no denying that the inquisitors made an enemy out of him through their constant needling.]
re: HS and Kagan: I do agree that HS’ behavior on this point is problematic; if he is supporting Kagan because she’s Jewish then thats fine but he should be open about it. Its not a crime to be proud if “one of your boys” so to speak is honored like that. From what I recall of the post his point about her was that this was the best we could expect from Obama on the matter and that opposing her would probably produce an even worse candidate from a conservative viewpoint. On that I agree; Obama isn’t going to be putting another Scalia on the bench and he could put in a much worse choice. But do I support Kagan’s appointment? No. I’d honestly prefer someone else entirely. But the side I voted for lost badly in 2008 and this is one of the consequences of that. As for the number of Jews on the court, the question isn’t how many Jews there are in the American population but how many are in the Ivy League law schools; that is where the Supreme Court is drawn from, not the general population of America.
re: Warning: What has been forgotten or rather is no longer taught is that a minority can only do or go as far as the majority allows. The problem is that a lot of people attribute to malice what stupidity and sloth explain a lot better. Abe Foxman would be on welfare if he didn’t have anyone to scream about; he wants his organization to continue functioning. What it boils down to is that for the last generation there’s been a surplus of money floating around that a lot of organizations have been able to grab onto to keep themselves going longer than they naturally would have. Thats disappearing as we speak. So this probably won’t be as much of an issue as we head into the future. The real threat to Jews is something the Official Jews don’t want to talk about, namely deathbed demographics and a growing population (i.e. Islamic among others) in the United States that is hostile to Jews. But talk about that outside of an Orthodox synagogue and suddenly you’re a racist.
“And speaking of Kevin MacDonald, my copy of The Culture of Critique arrived in the mail yesterday. Look for a review and analysis in the coming weeks.”
You didn’t have to buy it; the whole thing is available online as a PDF. (As for the book I skimmed some of it but mostly it irritated me because I’ve never heard of stuff like the Frankfort or Boasian Schools and neither does any other Jew I’ve ever spoken with. Reading through MacDonald I always get the feeling he thinks that every Jew wakes up and the first thing on our mind is “Ok, what can I do to make life horrible for the goyim today?”)
[No way in hell am I reading a 500-page book on a computer.]
Steve: Other than a lnk to the insanely anti-anti-Semitic ADL, that is. The SPLC is likewise not reliable. Got any FBI statistics?
Here you go: http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2006/table1.html
In 2006, anti-Jewish violence outnumbered anti-Asian violence about 5 to 1.
“Jews only make up 2% of the American population”
Jews are way more culturally visible, due to their success. It’s not just jealousy. I don’t think most people are as hateful of say hollywood celebrities in general or pro-athletes as they are Jews, to the extent that they form an identifiable social movement.
For every successful, influential Asian in the US you could probably list dozens of Jews off the top of your head, despite similar population and levels of success. Asians are called the ‘model minority’, and a big part of that is that they are also the invisible minority.
“And yet Pat Buchanan still finds a way to get on “Morning Joe.””
Noticeably he is on MSNBC and not Fox. Buchanan isn’t just on with Scarborough, he is regularly there to get castigated by other hosts or to simply be allowed to speak and discredit himself. Likewise, Fox gets Al Sharpton to represent the black perspective on things. Both men are there for the chance that they might go off the reservation and say some crazy shit on camera.
I am so goddamn tired of Nazis, I just don’t give a shit anymore. The forum is closed. THE FORUM IS CLOSED! Leave it.
Oh, and fuck History channel. You know why.
“Herzl is still right. For all the kvetching the anti-Israel crowd does, Jews are still better off in their own country then in gentile ones. It’s always safest to be in the majority.”
Not when they’re surrounded by several hundred million hostile Muslims and the sea, which commits them to mass conscription and to huge government expenditure on the military essentially forever (i.e. until the place collapses or is conquered). Jabotinsky was even more “right” than Herzl, unfortunately.
Other problems:
- a large and growing intolerant ultra-orthodox population that sucks up government money and has authority over family and marriage law even for secular Jews
- a large population of third-world Mizrahi Jews and all of the cultural drag that imposes on advancement
- limited natural resources
- miserable climate (if one doesn’t like heat)
@jconservative
Careful, that’s my country you’re shitting on! Our climate is not so bad, we have weather for half a year and it’s like spring in America’s east coast (windy, rainy, sunny, windy, rainy, sunny…). The other six months we have a season: hot, partly cloudy, zero percent chance of precipitation. But again, it doesn’t really get hotter than in America’s east coast (over 100 degrees fahrenheit is pretty rare). We also have dust storms for ~50 days a year, spread out sporadically between March and May and between September and November. But it’s uncommon enough not to be a bother. I wish it would snow more often, but that’s why we’re holding onto the Golan.
jconservative–
You gave the game away when you said “SOME of whom may choose to identify as Jewish (cultural continuity).” Yes indeed, SOME may choose to do so, but experience shows that most do not. That is not a formula for either genetic or cultural continuity.
Many years ago I worked with a guy I’ll call “Hank” (why not? that was his name), who wore his gay and Jewish pride equally. I never confronted him about it, because he was a really nice guy and was well-liked in our company, but I’m sure deep down he knew he was contributing in some small way to our extinction.
“Yes indeed, SOME may choose to do so, but experience shows that most do not. That is not a formula for either genetic or cultural continuity.”
Uh, genetic continuity only requires descendants. Even if some of your distant descendants are Italian-American or Tatars (improbable, I know), they are still your genetic progeny.
I don’t care that much about Jewish cultural continuity for the reasons I’ve already stated above. Frankly, if I do end up having descendants, I would prefer that they be almost anything other than orthodox Jews.
A Jew: “It’s not “eclipsed” at all. In fact, a lot of the slack the Soviet Union got from the global left in the post war era was because of sympathy for the millions they lost fighting the Nazis. But a distinction is made between those who were rounded up and murdered — men, women, and children — simply because they happened to belong to a certain group, versus those who were killed in a war between the Soviet Union and its erstwhile ally Nazi Germany.”
Somewhat true. The millions of soviet citizens who died because of Nazi aggression bought a lot of sympathy for communism. Of course it also meant that the the stories of the victims of Soviet , Maoist and other communist regimes were ignored and western commies were allowed to dismiss their stories as lies.
Muslims hate Jews regardless of where they are. Hezbollah’s head said that he is glad that Jews are mostly in Israel — it makes them easier to kill all at once. Daniel Pipes asked a young Muslim women haranguing him at UCI if she agreed, and she did, with the statement.
Muslims want Jews dead. Because they are Jews. They want them dead in Argentina. In Spain. In France. In England. And of course the US.
As the resident philo-semite, let me add there is no chance as long as most Americans are White evangelicals that America will be anti-Semitic. However, the class/SWPL biases among mostly urbanized, non-religious, yuppie Jews (about 80% of American Jews) makes them uber-Starbucks dwellers. Thus prey to anti-rural, redneck, evangelical sentiment. The Redneck in Chief, Andrew Jackson, was philo-semitic as was Winston Churchill. And Harry Truman. While East Coast Aristo FDR hated Jews and the thought of Israel. Truman had to bypass his own State Dept to recognize Israel, by surprise.
Sarah Palin is a huge proponent of Israel. Yet Half-Sigma detests her. Why? She’s the anti-SWPL. The very antithesis of a Manhattan dwelling urbanite.
It really is SWPL vs. the antis.
Let me add that the UK, after around 1500 or so, was friendly to Jews after Jews had been kicked out around 1250 or so. Disraeli was of course, the son of a converted Jew. So too, the Netherlands until around 1900, when it became quite anti-Semitic. Italy, sent relatively few of its Jews to the gas chambers. Primo Levi’s mother and sister rode out the war in their Roman apartment. Fully 75% of France’s Jews survived, while less than 30% of “enlightened” Netherland Jews survived WWII. France is excoriated by its own as too Vichy, and there was much of that, but most Frenchmen did not go the extra mile as say, Anne Franks betrayers did, to hunt out Jews when there was no benefit, not even seized property.
However, the shock of French anti-Semitism during the Dreyfuss Affair prompted assimilationist Theodore Herzl to propose Zionism.
Muslims of course view themselves as total replacements of former chosen peoples, and their mission from God to exterminate all JEws. Evangelicals, to the dismay of Jews, view themselves as “new Jews” with their own covenant, particularly Americans who from the Founding Fathers used that very terminology. Evangelicals view themselves as part of Judaism, just the latest ones. They like Jews because they see themselves as a continuation not replacement of Jewry, and part of God’s connected tradition of covenants.
Jews are often like a cute, but kind of nerdy girl, who finds herself the subject of ardor from a clumsy, hillbilly oaf. They don’t know how to react. Sarah Palin loves Israel. Why? Because as an evangelical she views herself as “part Jew.”
[...] Ferdinand: The Folly of Anti-Anti-Semitism [...]
Good post, FB.
Just because it happened to the Jews, doesn’t mean it happened to them because they are Jewish. Just because the Germans did it, doesn’t mean that they did it because they are German.
You swallowed the red pill when you cut through the ideologies, abstractions, and political theater to identify the pivotal truth that humans are innately tribal. Each tribe in the human family, including THEM, has a natural and God-given right to determine its own destiny. It’s time we man up and take it back.
Tribalism is natural and inevitable. But humans use various identifiers to determine their tribes. Ethnicity, race, religion, proximity, nation states, language, etc. There’s not just a struggle between tribes, there’s a struggle to determine which tribe one adheres to, and who the other members are. And then there are the tribes-within-tribes.
A secular Jewish American belongs to three tribes, for example, and each has interests that competes with the others’ interests.
[...] and Asia who gleefully shit all over your traditions while taking advantage of your hospitality. Outside of the Germans (who at least have the excuse of losing two world wars), no Western tribe displays as much [...]
What’s interesting to me is that 20 million Soviets died in WWII and this is completely eclipsed by the Holocaust in public memory. All of E. Europe was devastated, but because those deaths were less targeted, they are not a concern.
Not targeted? The Nazis most definitely intended to kill the Soviets – and in fact intended to kill tens of millions more if they’d won the war in order to make room for more Germans.
a distinction is made between those who were rounded up and murdered — men, women, and children — simply because they happened to belong to a certain group, versus those who were killed in a war between the Soviet Union and its erstwhile ally Nazi Germany.
Except a large number of Soviets (possibly exceeding 6 million) were not killed “at the front” in combat, but in non-combat situations as a deliberate result of Nazi policy. For example, in the first year of the war, millions of Soviet prisoners of war died because the Nazis decided to starve them to death. Roughly a million Soviet civilians died in Leningrad because the Germans decided to starve the city to death rather than suffer any casualties capturing it. Plenty of other non-Jewish Soviet civilians were shot just on general principles.
Oh, and fuck History channel. You know why.
The History Channel sucks now that they don’t have all WW2 all the time. Now it’s all unwatchable crap designed to appeal to females.
[...] week, Sparks123 countered my claim about the pervasiveness of anti-anti-Semitism by citing a couple of recent articles on young Jews’ views on Israel, “The Failure of the American Jewish [...]
[...] “The folly of anti-anti-Semitism” – How they’re making the problem they purport to combat worse. [...]
[...] I refuse to engage in the anti-anti-semetic witch hunt which has plagued the nation over the last 40 years. Ferdinand Bardamau’s [...]